I'm a new user of this phone,and i curious about normally when will this phone gets custom roms?
Depends if a dev is getting the phone normally... For the mi 11 pro/ultra there was a fundraiser.. after phone was bought... It took a few months, also due to source release off Xiaomi. But FUXI is wat more easy i guess.. so i think custom will come here fairly fast
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Depends if a dev is getting the phone normally... For the mi 11 pro/ultra there was a fundraiser.. after phone was bought... It took a few months, also due to source release off Xiaomi. But FUXI is wat more easy i guess.. so i think custom will come here fairly fast
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thx.. Now I have some clues then.
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thx.. Now I have some clues then.
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This is great. Can u share more details?
Since XIAOMI 13 global announced at official sites (2023.02.26), which means its source release on the way?
Xiaomi 13 | Xiaomi Global
Leica professional optical lens,Leading Snapdragon® 8 Gen 2,120Hz AdaptiveSync AMOLED display,67W wired turbo charging.
www.mi.com
There is already not a single rom for the 12 pro 8 Gen1 while the kernel dates from December 2021.
In my opinion several obstacles, incomplete Kernel ***, the completely new fingerprint part ***, the soc, price.
(***confirmed by developers).
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There is already not a single rom for the 12 pro 8 Gen1 while the kernel dates from December 2021.
In my opinion several obstacles, incomplete Kernel ***, the completely new imprint part ***, the soc, price.
(***confirmed by developers).
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You mean xiaomi made it extremely hard to make custom roms due to nearly impossible to aosp software to control the hardware ? Or am i getting it way off
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You mean xiaomi made it extremely hard to make custom roms due to nearly impossible to aosp software to control the hardware ? Or am i getting it way off
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Maybe it's the soc, for devices over a year old brands like One Plus or Samsung no AOSP rom too.
Xiaomi 12 (cupid) with 8 gen 1 has stable LOS. Fingerprint and SOC seems to be no problem. I guess, as soon as an good developer wants a custom rom for that phone, it will be a process less then 3 Month to stable. RN I use the 12X and on december a good dev got the phone and now we have a pretty good and stable base!
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Xiaomi 12 (cupid) with 8 gen 1 has stable LOS. Fingerprint and SOC seems to be no problem. I guess, as soon as an good developer wants a custom rom for that phone, it will be a process less then 3 Month to stable. RN I use the 12X and on december a good dev got the phone and now we have a pretty good and stable base!
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Interesting, could you share the link?
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Interesting, could you share the link
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Releases · arian-ota/ota
Contribute to arian-ota/ota development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com
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Releases · arian-ota/ota
Contribute to arian-ota/ota development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com
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the two newest releases are for davinci (K20) and not cupid.
Users going to that github should be aware. The third file is for cupid but it's vanilla without GMS.
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the two newest releases are for davinci (K20) and not cupid.
Users going to that github should be aware. The third file is for cupid but it's vanilla without GMS.
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It seems to me that it's written big enough not to be wrong and Vanilla has always been without gapps.
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the two newest releases are for davinci (K20) and not cupid.
Users going to that github should be aware. The third file is for cupid but it's vanilla without GMS.
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Flash gapps. Los is always vanilla. And the latest release for cupid is built this month and it's stable. This is the best possible situation!
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Flash gapps. Los is always vanilla. And the latest release for cupid is built this month and it's stable. This is the best possible situation!
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Not always; the particular dev can bundle GMS with one of the versions of their implementation.
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I'm a new user of this phone,and i curious about normally when will this phone gets custom roms?
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I'm so waiting for this too! You cant imagine how disappointed I am with Xiaomi's UI both visually and functionally, not to mention some of its stupid restrictions. Today I've succesfully unlocked BL and flashed xiaomi.eu wich fixes some of the annoyances, but I definitely think a more pure version of android would suite that device better.
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will RR come to this device?waiting it for so bad since it have alot of customization and being using on all my devices?any RR dev can make for this device?:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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will RR come to this device?waiting it for so bad since it have alot of customization and being using on all my devices?any RR dev can make for this device?:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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yep, absolutely capable these, if later full source devices trees on repos LineageOS release and ready for it.
and good news is here : https://review.lineageos.org/#/q/status:merged+project:LineageOS/android_device_xiaomi_sdm845-common+branch:lineage-15.1+topicolaris-bringup
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will RR come to this device?waiting it for so bad since it have alot of customization and being using on all my devices?any RR dev can make for this device?:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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You should try this version:
RR GSI for treble devices
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You should try this version:
RR GSI for treble devices
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It work on any device?can u guide me which one should i download,or link it here
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It work on any device?can u guide me which one should i download,or link it here
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1) It works on any treble enabled device.
2) You should download this version:
Resurrection Remix ARM64 Aonly Devices:
Official: https://downloads.resurrectionremix.com/arm64aonly/
I can't test for myself since I'm on the 360hours period before unlocking my bootloader
7/23 GSI RR isn't really a daily driver. Camera is not good. I tried Open Camera and it just flashed color to b&w and back. Picture quality was still poor. Bluetooth headphones don't work--audio doesn't come through. No VoLTE (of course). Probably other issues I didn't notice or forgot.
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7/23 GSI RR isn't really a daily driver. Camera is not good. I tried Open Camera and it just flashed color to b&w and back. Picture quality was still poor. Bluetooth headphones don't work--audio doesn't come through. No VoLTE (of course). Probably other issues I didn't notice or forgot.
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Any recomendation for a ROM based on AOSP
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Xiaomi makes nice phones but they aren't considered development friendly. It might be a while before a few AOSP ROMs are available for the Mix 2S and there won't be as much development for this phone as for the cheaper Redmi models since those sell a lot more units.
The Mix 2 had global LTE bands out of the gate and because of that it was available on Amazon right away and was reviewed by tech sites that pointed out it was the first Xiaomi phone fully compatible with LTE in North America. There is official TWRP for the Mix 2, official Lineage and some other development although it is pretty limited.
For whatever reason Xiaomi did not do the same thing with the 2S. It initially came out with much more limited band support than the Mix 2 unless you purchased the 256G model which had global LTE support. There was also no announcement at launch that there would later be a global version so reviews in the west said the 2S was incompatible with North American LTE unless you purchased the most expensive variant and those reviews were never updated after the global model was released.
Because of this a lot fewer people (in North America at least) ended up purchasing the Mix 2S compared with the Mix 2.
The result is no official TWRP and no development so far even though the release of the Mix 3 is just around the corner.
Official LOS is apparently in development but there probably won't ever be a lot in the way of AOSP ROMs available for the 2S and the handful that are will be buggy because the devs will be auto-compiling those ROMs since they aren't likely to be using the 2S themselves.
The Mix 2S is probably never going to be a good phone to own if you don't want to run MIUI. Maybe Xiaomi's policies will change in the future but at the moment they seem to have no interest in encouraging third party development for their phones. They see themselves as competing directly with Apple rather than as an Android brand which is also the case with Samsung.
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I'm using the unofficial phh Resurrection Remix rom .
I'm on version 5, A-only with the included Gapps. It works just fine for me, open camera and all.
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I'm using the unofficial phh Resurrection Remix rom .
I'm on version 5, A-only with the included Gapps. It works just fine for me, open camera and all.
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Thanks I'm gonna try that, when the 360h period is over
Enviado desde mi Mi MIX 2S mediante Tapatalk
I used the official and the unofficial version found on XDA. Both worked fine for me, expect some minor flaws, some glitches as it's a work in progress.
I used it as a daily driver and for what I'm using it it's working just fine.
I'm on pixel experience now and it's really good too, will stay with it for now.
RR has lots of customizations that's where it shines. As I don't need all the features and prefer a clean AOSP near experience I switched to PE.
Where did you find PE ROM for mi mix 2s?
Antoxin said:
Where did you find PE ROM for mi mix 2s?
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Maybe the treble rom.
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Maybe the treble rom.
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Yes, go to the Project Treble section of XDA. It's available there.
It works, but Bluetooth and some dedicated functions seem not working. And it is so stable, especially if you rely on Xposed and Magisk for daily use.
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It works, but Bluetooth and some dedicated functions seem not working. And it is so stable, especially if you rely on Xposed and Magisk for daily use.
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Bluetooth is broken on all GSI Treble ROMs for this device. The Mokee ROM posted in this forum is actually stable enough for daily driver IMO. Just make sure to follow the instructions in the thread from Hyapatia.
broken thread
Screenshots plz
Hey I am also planning for same I would like to maintain dot 3.0 for tulip
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Hey I am also planning for same I would like to maintain dot 3.0 for tulip
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It definitely would be great rom to have on this device. Especially an official one but I'm getting ahead of myself lol, that will take a while. But since there is already an official Dot OS variant for whyred (Redmi Note 5 Pro). Since RN6 and RN5 have the same SoC/chipset. It will be a lot easier to port from what I've heard. Unless you wanna create the rom from scratch.
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It definitely would be great rom to have on this device. Especially an official one but I'm getting ahead of myself lol, that will take a while. But since there is already an official Dot OS variant for whyred (Redmi Note 5 Pro). Since RN6 and RN5 have the same SoC/chipset. It will be a lot easier to port from what I've heard. Unless you wanna create the rom from scratch.
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Let's see, however, I can't start before 29th March due to exams!
I have been trying to install the official android 10 gsi on my mix 2s: https://developer.android.com/topic/generic-system-image/
Flashed the rom but the phone just bootlooped, after going through the initial instructions more carefully, turns out this phone is not fully VNDK (Vendor Native Development Kit) compliant.
My question is, what does this mean for the phone? Can't say I understand it well, but would Xiaomi have to make an updated Android 10 vendor partition? Are there some devs who can make it VNDK compliant, and its only a matter of time? Is this VNDK built into any custom Android 10 rom that will be made for this device in the future?
That would be interesting if it actually booted.
Not sure that this VNDK compliant is which you are refering
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That would be interesting if it actually booted.
Not sure that this VNDK compliant is which you are refering
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I attached a screenshot of the section I'm talking about, the output for the Mix 2S for "namespace.default.isolated" is "false."
Also I found that Xiaomi plans to update this device to MIUI 11 (Android 10) sometime between now and the end of the year, so that should update the vendor software and make this GSI able to boot. :fingers-crossed:
Do not try to install for now. I've already installed and for some reason I don't know, my phone always crashed so I have to reboot it.....:crying:
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I attached a screenshot of the section I'm talking about, the output for the Mix 2S for "namespace.default.isolated" is "false."
Also I found that Xiaomi plans to update this device to MIUI 11 (Android 10) sometime between now and the end of the year, so that should update the vendor software and make this GSI able to boot. :fingers-crossed:
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Our devices didn't ship with android 9.0 so I doubt they would be "VNDK", unless xiaomi choose to do this(doubt it tbh, wish but doubt) in our phones. We have no luck unless they(xiaomi) provides an update for android 10
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Our devices didn't ship with android 9.0 so I doubt they would be "VNDK", unless xiaomi choose to do this(doubt it tbh, wish but doubt) in our phones. We have no luck unless they(xiaomi) provides an update for android 10
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Miui 11 for our device will be android 10 and should be available end of Sept or early Oct
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Miui 11 for our device will be android 10 and should be available end of Sept or early Oct
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I'd prefer if we were independent from xiaomi. I mean if xiaomi stop providing new versions I'd prefer if devs don't need weird workarounds
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I'd prefer if we were independent from xiaomi. I mean if xiaomi stop providing new versions I'd prefer if devs don't need weird workarounds
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Yeah that was half my reason for buying a new phone. I thought treble would be the solution to indefinite independent updates, but I guess not quite :crying:
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Yeah that was half my reason for buying a new phone. I thought treble would be the solution to indefinite independent updates, but I guess not quite :crying:
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Well only if google forces companies to fully comply with treble we might get lucky. It would be nice to not depend entirely on Xiaomi
Does anyone know any developer who would be willing to make android-10 ROMS for our P2 or is Pie the last update for this awesome phone?
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Does anyone know any developer who would be willing to make android-10 ROMS for our P2 or is Pie the last update for this awesome phone?
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Hopefully not as the developers said that as long as they have this phone working they'll keep the development going. :fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed:
Well, I hope there will be future development for this phone too. I'm using one for more than 2 years, and battery still rocks, it sure lasts more than any flagship !
as far as i can tell, mike is working on lineage os 17.
so at least one android 10 rom might be coming soon
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Well, I hope there will be future development for this phone too. I'm using one for more than 2 years, and battery still rocks, it sure lasts more than any flagship !
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Yea bro same, more than 2.5 years and still i get SOT of 6-7 hours.
Whenever i think of buying a new phone, i look at my p2 and i stop. Its still so smooth cuz of the ROMS and charges under 1 hour and 15 minutes.
This phone is the best purchase i ever had. So i want development to keep going on, atleast for 1 more iteration of Android. Then i'll maybe buy Redmi K20 pro next year cuz it'll also have good development in future.
@Erazor84 that's good news brother. But I'll wait for AOSP xtended Android-10 (if it ever comes)
Bcuz i used their Oreo build and now using pie, and i found them the best among all of'em.
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as far as i can tell, mike is working on lineage os 17.
so at least one android 10 rom might be coming soon
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My guess would be at least 2 more ROMs :fingers-crossed: one from @VladSor and second from @Fullbustah as they are consistent with porting/ developing the ROMs such as Havoc, Syberia, Bootleggers and POSP for P2.
But of course, we need a reliable vendor upgrade first.
Xiaomi redmi note 4 which has the same Specs has just got lineage 17.
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Xiaomi redmi note 4 which has the same Specs has just got lineage 17.
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We're next, I guess :fingers-crossed:
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Does anyone know any developer who would be willing to make android-10 ROMS for our P2 or is Pie the last update for this awesome phone?
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Yus coming 10
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Yus coming 10
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You're the man buddy!:highfive:
Only sgsi are coming for our device No rom yet , and those gsi are also ****ty...
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Only sgsi are coming for our device No rom yet , and those gsi are also ****ty...
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Can you tell me please what is the meaning of gsi ? Or sgsi?
is there any chance for android 10 for havoc os?
As per my understanding:
HACKIMTOSH said:
Can you tell me please what is the meaning of gsi ? Or sgsi?
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Generic System Image (GSI) is pure untouched Android released by Google for treble enabled phones with a designated vendor partition.
Semi GSI (SGSI) is a customized GSI with features and name of a custom ROM and it can also be installed on treble enabled phones with a designated vendor partition.
alirazaagha said:
Generic System Image (GSI) is pure untouched Android released by Google for treble enabled phones with a designated vendor partition.
Semi GSI (SGSI) is a customized GSI with features and name of a custom ROM and it can also be installed on treble enabled phones with a designated vendor partition.
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Now i see , thank you bro
How is Android 10 on Lenovo P2? Is it stable? I am on stock Rom Android 7. How to get from stock to Android 10?
Thank you.
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Yus coming 10
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The following url https://forum.xda-developers.com/lenovo-p2/development/rom-aosip-derpfest-t3981193 will give You access on this forum to the thread concerning AOSiP-10-DerpFest-Alpha-kuntao-20191009.zip which is the first alpha version of the first Android 10 custom rom dedicated to the Lenovo P2.
If You are interested in testing this Android 10 rom, just follow the installation instructions given on the first page of the thread.
If I well understood, I think that someone, maybe mikeioannina ?, should now be working on a Android 10 rom LineageOS 17. If this is the case, all we can do is to be patient.
You will note that from now on we must say Android 10 instead of Q as asked by Google. So, next year, the next version of Android will be Android 11 and not R.
Below is the lineageos github page for Kuntao (Lenovo P2a42), the branch is on 17.0, but it seems it hadn't been developed on in 4 months, but i don't know how these things go...
Github Kuntao: https://github.com/LineageOS/android_device_lenovo_kuntao
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Below is the lineageos github page for Kuntao (Lenovo P2a42), the branch is on 17.0, but it seems it hadn't been developed on in 4 months, but i don't know how these things go...
Github Kuntao: https://github.com/LineageOS/android_device_lenovo_kuntao
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Hello I've tried all of the versions on my KUNTAO, at the beggining very laggy now better, there are some ROMS which you can use w/out a problem if you can live w/out some of the features like the FP GESTURES OR AA CONNECTIVITY.
HAVOC 3.0 (NOT THE TREBLE VERSION) to me is the best option till this post furthermore I don't know.
CHHERS
So, We are half a year further from the last post in this thread, any news on the stability and performance of the android 10 rom's? Im right now on Crdroid Pie ROM and except fingerprint kicking the bucket everything is working flawlessly. Any stable and well performing 10 rom's out there, or should we wait a little longer?
Hi, which rom are you using for oneplus 9?
Unfortunately, the rom support for this model is very bad and many developers have stopped developing roms for op9. I'm looking for a rom that can get continuous updates. Best regards
JaguarOs for Android 11
NamelessOs for Android !2
These two roms are getting regular monthly updates and both are great.
try gsi
incesu said:
JaguarOs for Android 11
NamelessOs for Android !2
These two roms are getting regular monthly updates and both are great.
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Nameless developers stopped roms.
Nameless Cdroid for op9 finish
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try gsi
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How gsi işi full version
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Nameless developers stopped roms.
Nameless Cdroid for op9 finish
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sadece op9 için mi yoksa bütün nameless romlar için mi bitirdiler.
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are they just finished for op9 or for all nameless roms?
derp
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sadece op9 için mi yoksa bütün nameless romlar için mi bitirdiler.
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For Op 9 and 9 pro finish
"Evolution X" I love the customization it has. Which is why I haven't updated to 12 yet lol. I will sometime. Love the rom though
Personally, DerpOS, which has both OP9/Pro support. Make sure to check out the pro XDA forums, as you'll be able to find many new ROMs outside of just on here.
I used to run EvoX, which is a very good A12 ROM, but when compared to others, isn't updated as much (I believe it's still on the Feb patch). I haven't heard much of when it's planned to be updated, as it's still migrating between maintainers at the moment.
A12.1 builds for the OP9 are limited unfortunately, as LineageOS 19, at the time of writing, is the only "official" one I know of, which you're able to do if you're happy flashing GAPPs.
However, many ROMs have A12.1 working in testing, though not officially released yet. Hopefully you'll see them pop up within the next few weeks, once they've passed their maintainer's QA checks, though I can't speak on their behalf (they'll be ready when they're ready). I'd personally be comfortable in flashing either one of these, as their developers seem very dedicated to supporting the device into the future:
StagOS, DerpOS, DotOS
StagOS in particular is also the only ROM I know of that are working on OOSCam. It seems their progress is coming along well, but you won't find it in any of their public builds as of yet.
As mentioned by a couple of people earlier, though I'd love to recommend Nameless as it's a fantastic ROM, it isn't being maintained at the moment. CrDroid for the Op9, though on paper is maintained, hasn't been updated for a while and the developer has been somewhat MIA. Love to see either come back though.
Personally, I'm still undecided. I saw that someone had problems with the Evox and with the derp very draining of battery. I would be tempted for StageOs ... but I'm still on oxygen 11.2.10.10 even if my device offered me the update to Android 12 C47. However if I do it I cannot flash rom!
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Personally, I'm still undecided. I saw that someone had problems with the Evox and with the derp very draining of battery. I would be tempted for StageOs ... but I'm still on oxygen 11.2.10.10 even if my device offered me the update to Android 12 C47. However if I do it I cannot flash rom!
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Personally haven't had any issues with derp, though I did notice evox had a few weird bugs with material you in the latest update. To each their own, I suppose! OOS11 is still quite good, although I really do like the theaming in a12.
I have flashed all the roms possible. Stag and Evo are pretty gnarly, but I keep it stock OS rooted on 10AA because for some Reason, PuBG is not as smooth on any roms as it is on Oxygen, plus its like the Read-Ahead is way better. Everything Renders in much faster. Like its almost already all there. The Roms arent like that.
I kinda wish someone would make a Gaming Specific rom.
Bone-Dry nothing to it.
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Personally, DerpOS, which has both OP9/Pro support. Make sure to check out the pro XDA forums, as you'll be able to find many new ROMs outside of just on here.
I used to run EvoX, which is a very good A12 ROM, but when compared to others, isn't updated as much (I believe it's still on the Feb patch). I haven't heard much of when it's planned to be updated, as it's still migrating between maintainers at the moment.
A12.1 builds for the OP9 are limited unfortunately, as LineageOS 19, at the time of writing, is the only "official" one I know of, which you're able to do if you're happy flashing GAPPs.
However, many ROMs have A12.1 working in testing, though not officially released yet. Hopefully you'll see them pop up within the next few weeks, once they've passed their maintainer's QA checks, though I can't speak on their behalf (they'll be ready when they're ready). I'd personally be comfortable in flashing either one of these, as their developers seem very dedicated to supporting the device into the future:
StagOS, DerpOS, DotOS
StagOS in particular is also the only ROM I know of that are working on OOSCam. It seems their progress is coming along well, but you won't find it in any of their public builds as of yet.
As mentioned by a couple of people earlier, though I'd love to recommend Nameless as it's a fantastic ROM, it isn't being maintained at the moment. CrDroid for the Op9, though on paper is maintained, hasn't been updated for a while and the developer has been somewhat MIA. Love to see either come back though.
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Thanks for this. I am so fed up with the bugs on OOS 12 and the app performance throttling. I have been holding off on unlocking the bootloader but I just can't deal with the issues anymore. Would be nice to see what this device can actually do... Sometimes it feels slower than my LG G8 with an 855...
I am waiting for official Pixel Experience so still OOS 12 for me
has anybody here tried lineageos on oneplus 9?
Anyone tested nameless rom?
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Hi! Nameless to my knowledge isn't being maintained anymore. It was a good ROM, but don't expect to get any updates like 12.1 13 etc.
Last build is 03/07
Nameless-AOSP - Browse /lemonade at SourceForge.net
Nameless AOSP is based on Android Open Source Project, inspired by Google Pixel. We offer a smooth and stable experience for your device with a…
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Last build is 03/07
Nameless-AOSP - Browse /lemonade at SourceForge.net
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I realize! I'm relatively sure it's not being maintained though since then, and support for it has been dropped.