I have enabled Work Profile on my Samsung phone using Shelter app.
Recently, I noticed that there is a folder called Chamber (see attachment) in the Work Profile, and I'm unable to delete it. I have tried deleting it in Safe Mode too, but it refuses to get deleted.
I can't delete it from my PC because this is inside the Work Profile, which is inaccessible using a PC.
I don't have this folder on my other devices where I have enabled Work Profile using the same Shelter app.
Does anyone know which app this folder is associated with and how to force delete it?
TheMystic said:
I have enabled Work Profile on my Samsung phone using Shelter app.
Recently, I noticed that there is a folder called Chamber (see attachment) in the Work Profile, and I'm unable to delete it. I have tried deleting it in Safe Mode too, but it refuses to get deleted.
I can't delete it from my PC because this is inside the Work Profile, which is inaccessible using a PC.
I don't have this folder on my other devices where I have enabled Work Profile using the same Shelter app.
Does anyone know which app this folder is associated with and how to force delete it?
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If it is associated to an app, deleting the folder is pointless unless you uninstall/disable the app that it is associated to, otherwise, it will just keep recreating the folder.
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If it is associated to an app, deleting the folder is pointless unless you uninstall/disable the app that it is associated to, otherwise, it will just keep recreating the folder.
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That's true. But it doesn't seem to be associated with any app, or let's say I haven't figured it out yet. I have uninstalled many of the suspected apps in Work Profile, but it continues to remain intact. The folder seems to have been created around the time I installed the Work Profile, and most of the apps that are currently installed were installed much later.
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That's true. But it doesn't seem to be associated with any app, or let's say I haven't figured it out yet. I have uninstalled many of the suspected apps in Work Profile, but it continues to remain intact. The folder seems to have been created around the time I installed the Work Profile, and most of the apps that are currently installed were installed much later.
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The it might be part of Work Profile itself.
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The it might be part of Work Profile itself.
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No, it is not. I have Work Profile enabled in two other phones (both running on Android 13), and this folder isn't present in those devices.
TheMystic said:
No, it is not. I have Work Profile enabled in two other phones (both running on Android 13), and this folder isn't present in those devices.
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If it isn't part of Work Profile and isn't associated to the apps installed in work profile, that only leaves the possibility that it is part of something not installed in Work Profile. You seem to have eliminated all other options, that is all that remains.
The other devices may have the same Android version installed but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are all equal, different devices do different things, even with the same Android version because each manufacturer and carrier puts their own stuff on top of stock android, yeilding different results from one device to the next. It could be something device specific that caused the folder to be created when Work Profile was installed/enabled. Something device specific that doesn't apply to the other devices, if those devices are different than the device you are dealing with.
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If it isn't part of Work Profile and isn't associated to the apps installed in work profile, that only leaves the possibility that it is part of something not installed in Work Profile. You seem to have eliminated all other options, that is all that remains.
The other devices may have the same Android version installed but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are all equal, different devices do different things, even with the same Android version because each manufacturer and carrier puts their own stuff on top of stock android, yeilding different results from one device to the next. It could be something device specific that caused the folder to be created when Work Profile was installed/enabled. Something device specific that doesn't apply to the other devices, if those devices are different than the device you are dealing with.
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I don't have another Samsung phone (with Work Profile enabled) to confirm. The other two devices are OnePlus and iQOO. It is not there on Redmi K50i either.
The name of the folder is quite unique. Let's hope someone can confirm if this is indeed a Samsung OneUI thing.
TheMystic said:
I don't have another Samsung phone (with Work Profile enabled) to confirm. The other two devices are OnePlus and iQOO. It is not there on Redmi K50i either.
The name of the folder is quite unique. Let's hope someone can confirm if this is indeed a Samsung OneUI thing.
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I did various searches pertaining to "chamber" folder, I didn't find a single search result that even mentions a folder by that name or what app or stock feature it may or may not be associated to.
It might be some kind of Samsung security feature to create a separate, secure partition when you installed/enabled Work Profile. Or it may be because of how Samsung handles that kind of app. I could very easily be completely wrong, without familiarity with Work Profile and without finding definitive information or having the device in my own hands to investigate deeper, I can only guess or go with gut instincts tugging at the back of my mind of potential causes
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I did various searches pertaining to "chamber" folder, I didn't find a single search result that even mentions a folder by that name or what app or stock feature it may or may not be associated to.
It might be some kind of Samsung security feature to create a separate, secure partition when you installed/enabled Work Profile. Or it may be because of how Samsung handles that kind of app. I could very easily be completely wrong, without familiarity with Work Profile and without finding definitive information or having the device in my own hands to investigate deeper, I can only guess or go with gut instincts tugging at the back of my mind of potential causes
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There is no such folder in the Main Profile, so one can safely rule out an association with any system app that automatically got installed in the Work Profile.
There is no such folder inside the Secure Folder too, which is actually very secure. So a security related aspect can be ruled out in my opinion.
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There is no system app by that name either. At this point, it is a dead end to tracing the source of this (empty) folder.
TheMystic said:
There is no such folder in the Main Profile, so one can safely rule out an association with any system app that automatically got installed in the Work Profile.
There is no such folder inside the Secure Folder too, which is actually very secure. So a security related aspect can be ruled out in my opinion.
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There is no system app by that name either. At this point, it is a dead end to tracing the source of this (empty) folder.
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I don't know, this still feels like it has something to do with Samsung's secure folder feature, whether in the secure folder or not or maybe Knox. Without giving anything away, what is in your secure folder. The fact that it is doing this on your Samsung but not the others is speaking to me. It just feels like something Samsung would do
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I don't know, this still feels like it has something to do with Samsung's secure folder feature, whether in the secure folder or not or maybe Knox. Without giving anything away, what is in your secure folder. The fact that it is doing this on your Samsung but not the others is speaking to me. It just feels like something Samsung would do
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The Secure Folder on Samsung Galaxy devices is basically a separate user profile (multiple users) with advanced Knox security. I have my banking apps, password manager, authenticators, and other apps installed in it. It is also where I save some important/ private files.
The benefit of Secure Folder (on Samsung Galaxy devices) and Work Profile (on all devices) over other 'multiple users' is the ease of accessing apps in them. Secure Folder and Work Profile are just a special type of multiuser whose apps can be easily launched from the main profile itself. Notifications for apps in these profiles are accessible from the main profile too.
But with all other multiusers, one has to 'exit' the main profile to get into the mulitiuser environment, which takes a few extra seconds. Notifications from the main profile are not accessible in multiuser, and vice-versa.
The Work Profile is a very convenient 'multiuser', which is why I enable it on all my devices. Samsung OneUI has disabled the 'multiuser' feature of Android, so this is another reason why I enabled the Work Profile. On stock Android and also most OEM Android versions, user can setup a maximum of 5 multiusers, in addition to the main profile.
But on Samsung Galaxy devices, user can only have the main profile, Secure Folder and Work Profile (max 3 users). Not sure why Samsung has removed this useful feature. They allowed multiusers in Samsung OneUI 5 Beta, but removed it from the Stable builds for some unknown reasons.
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All,
I am trying to test the water to see what is possible for an enterprise tablet deployment we are working on.
We are working on a dual persona device - which enables the user to switch between two android instances.
I want to be able to notify the user which persona they are using, and an ideal way to do that would be via the "System Bar" at the bottom of the screen. I am thinking of a couple of options:
1) Change the colour of the system bar
2) Add some text to the status bar (that is always there)
If I understand correctly, the settings for this menu are in SystemUI.apk, and i have pulled this using adb from the device. I believe I know how to go about changing the colour, by searching out the relevant png's and swapping them.
How would i go about implementing option 2, for example I may want the string "Home" or "Work" displayed dependant on the instance the user has loaded. Would this be a case of changing a layout XML definition? If so which one?
Regards,
Andy
Why not just use the system notification services that already exist in android? You can have persistent notification icons, text etc. and no need to build a custom ROM, just use an app.
DigitalMD said:
Why not just use the system notification services that already exist in android? You can have persistent notification icons, text etc. and no need to build a custom ROM, just use an app.
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Good question - I am open to all suggestions - the key requirement is that an item of text would be visible at all times to the user, and couldn't be dismissed.
Wasn't looking at a custom ROM - we have to make some changes to the device anyway which need us to Root it - so was thinking while we were there to mount the Filesystem read/write and swap SystemUI.apk to solve this issue.
As I say open to good ideas.
This may be what you're looking for...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/11/14/android-4-2-feature-highlight-multiple-user-accounts/
LeftyGR said:
This may be what you're looking for...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/11/14/android-4-2-feature-highlight-multiple-user-accounts/
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Hi, interesting but not quite what we are trying for just yet. These devices will be single user devices (currently) which we intend to run dual persona's on, essentially we will be running a micro hypervisor, that allows a user to switch between virtual OS's.
So - we are just trying to find a decent feedback mechanism to present the user with an "always visible" way of telling them which persona they are in.
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Hi, interesting but not quite what we are trying for just yet. These devices will be single user devices (currently) which we intend to run dual persona's on, essentially we will be running a micro hypervisor, that allows a user to switch between virtual OS's.
So - we are just trying to find a decent feedback mechanism to present the user with an "always visible" way of telling them which persona they are in.
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Ok. So I think what you are looking for is this:
* Single User sign-on - where one person (considered the owner) logs into the device.
* Switching profiles (essentially) between two user interfaces.
**Where in one environment the owner has a general setup to use as a personal device, for lack of a better term.
**And in another environment the owner has a cusomized setup that is more optimized for work purposes. Not necessarily "different than the first environment, but obvious enough that when they unlock the device they will know which environment they are in.
Basically correct?
If so, what about this as a general solution: Using multiple Launcher Apps.
Basically, use the system default as one environment. Setup/arranged for the purpose of general use. Use a second (3rd party) Launcher as the second environment. 3rd party launchers are very customizable and most are themeable. And there are a few Launcher Manager apps on the market that allow for faster switching between them. Even provide desktop shortcuts on each launcher to quickly do between. Lock the 3rd party launcher from being able to be uninstalled easily by placing it into system/app folder. And if you want to take certain functionality away, modify it so an owner can't change the theme or settings you choose for it.
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Ok. So I think what you are looking for is this:
* Single User sign-on - where one person (considered the owner) logs into the device.
* Switching profiles (essentially) between two user interfaces.
**Where in one environment the owner has a general setup to use as a personal device, for lack of a better term.
**And in another environment the owner has a cusomized setup that is more optimized for work purposes. Not necessarily "different than the first environment, but obvious enough that when they unlock the device they will know which environment they are in.
Basically correct?
If so, what about this as a general solution: Using multiple Launcher Apps.
Basically, use the system default as one environment. Setup/arranged for the purpose of general use. Use a second (3rd party) Launcher as the second environment. 3rd party launchers are very customizable and most are themeable. And there are a few Launcher Manager apps on the market that allow for faster switching between them. Even provide desktop shortcuts on each launcher to quickly do between. Lock the 3rd party launcher from being able to be uninstalled easily by placing it into system/app folder. And if you want to take certain functionality away, modify it so an owner can't change the theme or settings you choose for it.
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Yes basically correct, but I have a solution for the device "persona" switching - imagine I am actually running two completely separate ROM's running on VM's.... so each ROM behaves as its own device, unaware of the other...
All I want to do - is add some text to the system bar that is always there....
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Yes basically correct, but I have a solution for the device "persona" switching - imagine I am actually running two completely separate ROM's running on VM's.... so each ROM behaves as its own device, unaware of the other...
All I want to do - is add some text to the system bar that is always there....
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Ok. Two completely separate OS running at same time. I could see that as possible, save the problem you may run into with internal space in the current format. Would you need to completely repatriation the entire device to achieve this? Or maybe you could use an AOSP base, which is considerably lighter. I'm saying two completely autonomous systems would essentially duplicate all files needed to run to make them truely separate. Actually, I think that's what you're saying...
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Ok. Two completely separate OS running at same time. I could see that as possible, save the problem you may run into with internal space in the current format. Would you need to completely repatriation the entire device to achieve this? Or maybe you could use an AOSP base, which is considerably lighter. I'm saying two completely autonomous systems would essentially duplicate all files needed to run to make them truely separate. Actually, I think that's what you're saying...
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The implementation of the virtualised android is being done by a company for me... that isn't the issue.
I have been making some kernel mods, to beef up encryption, but also wanted while i am there to make some mods to the system bar / task bar.
Forget about the two OS issue - imagine a single device, one OS, ICS 4.0.4 - i want to add some text to the task bar (static text) how could i do it?
This is the story I'm referring to for those who haven't heard yet.
I just got my Note 8 on Saturday and did get a carrier update later in the day, not sure if it was related to this. Anyone have any info on what we need to do or are we waiting for AT&T/Samsung to release a patch?
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As a result, all Android versions higher than 6.0 are also affected by the attack, and hence can be tricked into installing an all-zero encryption key. The new attack works by injecting a forged message 1, with the same ANonce as used in the original message 1, before forwarding the retransmitted message 3 to the victim. In each case, the attacker can force a targeted device to re-install an already-in-use shared key, downgrading the key.
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This will require an update from Samsung. Not holding my breath on that happening anytime this year.
Avoid public wifi like the plague. Even after the patch I'd stay away from it.
Also this includes turning on your hotspot in public. At least until a patch is pushed out.
That will keep you safe for about 6 months until the next bug is discovered. It's the nature of IT security.
One thing that is a great idea and an awesome feature on Samsung is the "Secure Folder" app.
You can use it to store pictures, files, apps, etc. They are encrypted by the KNOX container and require a pin or password to open the secure folder.
If you move let's say, your private pictures, your banking app, and any sensation files (eg credit cards, ID, passport, etc) into the app even if your phone gets compromised you should be okay.
*as a disclaimer I work in ISO for a fortune 100 company. More than will to offer any advice about protecting your phone, computer, wifi etc.
Thanks I didn't think about using the Secure Folder. I just moved (not copied) a photo into there to test it but the photo still shows up in the gallery, yet I don't see it when browsing for it from within the Secure Folder.
When something is within this folder, can it still be accessed from outside the app or do you always need to open the app, type in the password and then access it? Like could I still attach photos from there easily into a message/email or do I need to go in there, move them out of the folder, attach them, them move them back? Hope that makes sense.
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Thanks I didn't think about using the Secure Folder. I just moved (not copied) a photo into there to test it but the photo still shows up in the gallery, yet I don't see it when browsing for it from within the Secure Folder.
When something is within this folder, can it still be accessed from outside the app or do you always need to open the app, type in the password and then access it? Like could I still attach photos from there easily into a message/email or do I need to go in there, move them out of the folder, attach them, them move them back? Hope that makes sense.
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No if it moved correctly it should be hidden unless you are in the secure folder.
Hello guys,
I have been searching for answers to some of the tech stuff, but couldn't find them.
Here are some of those questions. Hope some of you would have answers to these. Thanks in advance!
ANDROID
1. How to share files between multi-users on Android 11?
Before Android 11, it was possible to save files inside the Android/ obb folder, and these files were visible for all users on the device. In Android 11, this is no longer working as the 'obb' folder appears to be exclusive to each user.
I know this is possible via USB OTG or a cloud service, but is there a solution without these?
2. How to copy/ backup game data for non-rooted devices?
Helium Backup doesn't seem to work. I have played a game for long on my Mediapad, and I would like to copy that game to my phone. Unfortunately, my Mediapad is not rooted and losing all that game progress has become a nightmare. I have written to the app developer to provide some sort of backup using either Google Play Games or social media integration like Facebook/ Twitter, but haven't received any response.
3. How to force apps (esp. file managers & gallery apps) to use in-app media viewer without changing system default.
For example, I may use the stock gallery app as default for viewing media. But if I am using another gallery app or a file manager that is capable of viewing media files using its own media viewer, I would rather want it use it than open the default app. Is there a way to do it?
4. Replace stock file manager (a system app) with another app from Google Play Store or other sources. Is this possible?
I am not asking how to convert a user app into system app. I know that part. I tried replacing the apk file of the stock file manager with a 3rd party apk, even renamed it, but it didn't work.
5. Extract a system app from one device and install it on another device without root. Is this possible?
I have tried it, but apk installation fails. For example, Samsung Gallery app on OnePlus phones.
iOS
1. How to install .ipa (iPhone app) on an iPhone (not jail-broken) without a laptop (iTunes)?
2. Is it possible to have SFTP server for iPhone?
All Operating Systems
1. How to provide LAN only access for non-rooted devices as well as in Windows & iOS?
For rooted devices, we have apps like AFWall+ that can do it. But is there a way to do it for devices without root, as well as for Windows and iOS?
For non-rooted devices, we have apps like Netguard that support 'Allow LAN access' whilst blocking internet access.
Are there any alternatives and solutions for other platforms?
2. How safe is it to enter login credentials in an app to allow it access to network drives?
I use several apps (on various platforms) to connect to my laptop over SMB. This requires me to provide the app with my Windows Login Credentials, which is a Microsoft account. Am I risking my account by providing this info to the app? Is it safe to enter login credentials of cloud services in file manager apps?
Just bumping this thread as it seems to have been lost/ unnoticed.
@Ultramanoid can you answer some of these?
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@Ultramanoid can you answer some of these?
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Can't help much, sorry. As to Android, some notes :
1. Never have used an OEM / Google's version of Android, or anything other than rooted single-user systems.
2. In addition to the previous answer, I'm not a gamer.
3. I usually don't ever set defaults with some rare exceptions, so I am always given a choice of what I want to use to handle a file. It may vary depending on many things; I may want to edit an SVG file as text, or view it as an image, for instance. There are applications / services that will intercept intents to allow you to do this sort of thing as well, but I can't recommend a specific one, never use them myself.
4. Possible, but will break Android as by now the system requires it as a file picker in many instances without recognizing alternatives and developers of most applications do expect it as well and their services will not work without it. Don't do it. With recent Android storage changes, including the scoped storage debacle, this is not a viable option anymore.
5. Depends, but not likely as a general rule, specially for OEM garbage, which relies on their own proprietary modifications of Android, their libraries, frameworks, et al. You'd have to carry those over to the destination too, which may not even be possible. Use OEM-independent and not Google Services reliant applications. ( Edit : you'll find some of those applications built to install on all devices here on XDA by single developers, "SONY camera for all devices" and that sort of thing, not recommended anyway, not well supported or long-lived experiments. )
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Can't help much, sorry. As to Android, some notes :
1. Never have used an OEM / Google's version of Android, or anything other than rooted single-user systems.
2. In addition to the previous answer, I'm not a gamer.
3. I usually don't ever set defaults with some rare exceptions, so I am always given a choice of what I want to use to handle a file. It may vary depending on many things; I may want to edit an SVG file as text, or view it as an image, for instance. There are applications / services that will intercept intents to allow you to do this sort of thing as well, but I can't recommend a specific one, never use them myself.
4. Possible, but will break Android as by now the system requires it as a file picker in many instances without recognizing alternatives and developers of most applications do expect it as well and their services will not work without it. Don't do it. With recent Android storage changes, including the scoped storage debacle, this is not a viable option anymore.
5. Depends, but not likely as a general rule, specially for OEM garbage, which relies on their own proprietary modifications of Android, their libraries, frameworks, et al. You'd have to carry those over to the destination too, which may not even be possible. Use OEM-independent and not Google Services reliant applications. ( Edit : you'll find some of those applications built to install on all devices here on XDA by single developers, "SONY camera for all devices" and that sort of thing, not recommended anyway, not well supported or long-lived experiments. )
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Thanks very much. But I wish you answered the last 2 questions as well.
If time permits, would you be interested in telling us how you use your phone? I mean which device, which OS and what apps you use. I would like to give that a try (on a spare device) and see if it is possible for me to live without Google.
Sridhar Ananthanarayanan said:
Thanks very much. But I wish you answered the last 2 questions as well.
If time permits, would you be interested in telling us how you use your phone? I mean which device, which OS and what apps you use. I would like to give that a try (on a spare device) and see if it is possible for me to live without Google.
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Didn't answer because it won't be helpful.
As to the 1st, I don't use LAN, and I don't keep data in any device or computer unless in use. External independent encrypted storage to be used wherever, whenever, independent of device, cables if needed.
As to the second, it's a matter of common sense, being informed of vulnerabilities and aware of reputation, and trust. Would you trust Chrome or Mozilla with data if you're online banking ? Seems reasonable -- but be aware of major vulnerabilities that may be going on. Would you trust an application released yesterday by a single developer for the same ? Probably not a good idea.
Finally, I doubt what I use and how I use it would be acceptable for you, or most people. In essence you could : Install latest firmware, wipe device, install latest security patched Lineage build for it, remove vendor / Lineage applications, get full root, remove anything you don't need or use which could have vulnerabilities; frameworks, libraries, binaries, etc ( Bluetooth, SMS, Android system-wide downloader, system-wide WebView, NFC, and on and on .. ), install your own binaries, fonts, hosts file, and applications where appropriate ( /bin /etc et al ), install Termux and all Linux packages required for your use, everything open source whenever possible, and stay away from any Google services / Play / applications with ANY trackers, analytics, data mining or even crash report capabilities; zero tolerance. Internet permission only for a secure web browser -- and terminal if / when needed. Half of what I do or use goes through terminal to be honest. In short, for me an Android device is a full Linux laptop replacement with added perks : Always on and on me, camera, GPS, pedometer, unlimited LTE data, and emergency calls for medics / police. ( Edit : And Japanese EEW alarm of course ! Only notification I use. We learned our lesson well in 2011. )
You can use ApkExport to extract any apk including system apks. I've transferred apks between other devices devices with it.
Never had need of doing that though with a system apk.
Hey I have multiple Android devices 10 at the least. They have all been hacked. I found .dload and .config folders on all of them. Also when I went to remove memory and sim from one it automatically began uploading a custom rom. Of course I've reset them all but not sure how many already have been rooted by someone else. I'm a little familiar with the process so I picked up on some of the signs. My dns has been switched to automatic. My developer options have been configured to the t. It's also configured to infect any other devices near by. I have no idea where to start
Markowski82 said:
Check system.
Bitdefender Mobile Security - Apps on Google Play
Powerful Antivirus Protection, Mobile Security & Virus Cleaner for Your Phone
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Do u know how to permenitly delete .dwnld and .chat_temp files. They just keep coming back
Markowski82 said:
chatTEMP folder may be created by the SnapChat application.
.dwnld android - Google Search
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This phone was just purchased with nothing but what came pre-installed. I checked hidden files immediately and it wasn't there. Shortly after I noticed my inability to remove location access from numerous system apps and the inability to configure call forwarding. Checked files again and show hidden files had been switched . When I turned it back on .Chat_temp and .dwlnd were now in my files directory. The files are used to gain administrative privileges and remote access.
As above. I just updated to Android 11 recently on my Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ (SM-N975F), and holy **** Scoped Storage is a massive pain. Google and various device manufacturers have already been gradually restricting and cutting down access to various power user options (e.g. flashing custom firmware, accessing various settings, making dev features harder to use and/or access), but Scoped Storage is pretty redundant.
For those who aren't familar, Scoped Storage severely restricts access to the Android/data folder in your internal storage. As a result, it just turns the Android/data folder into basically what the data/data partition is - a system-managed folder where apps can only access their own folders and only certain system processes (or root users) can access the entire folder structure. This breaks a lot of apps which historically stored their data in their own Android/data folders which would otherwise work on Android 11.
I was hoping that LineageOS would have had an option to disable this "feature" (I noticed a commit around "opting out of scoped storage" at https://review.lineageos.org/c/LineageOS/android_packages_apps_Eleven/+/286006), but it seems not. For me, I've downgraded to Android 10; thankfully the bootloader version remained the same.
Still, I was wondering, is it likely that a custom ROM maker will be able to find some way to disable Scoped Storage on Android 11 in the future? Thanks for any responses.
Edit: clarified that I meant Android 11+.
ArtemisPilly said:
As above. I just updated to Android 11 recently on my Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ (SM-N975F), and holy **** Scoped Storage is a massive pain in the ass. Google and various device manufacturers have already been gradually restricting and cutting down access to various power user options (e.g. flashing custom firmware, accessing various settings, making dev features harder to use and/or access), but Scoped Storage is pretty redundant. It just turns the Android/data folder into basically what the data/data partition is - a system-managed folder where apps can only access their own folders and only certain system processes (or root users) can access the entire folder structure. This breaks a lot of apps which historically stored their data in their own Android/data folders.
I was hoping that LineageOS would have had an option to disable this "feature" (I noticed a commit around "opting out of scoped storage" at https://review.lineageos.org/c/LineageOS/android_packages_apps_Eleven/+/286006), but it seems not. For me, I've downgraded to Android 10; thankfully the bootloader version remained the same. Still, I was wondering, is it likely that a custom ROM maker will be able to find some way to disable Scoped Storage in the future? Thanks for any responses.
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It is possible if it downgrade your device to android 10
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It is possible if it downgrade your device to android 10
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Yeah, that's what I originally thought as well. Still, we can't feasibly remain on Android 10 forever, so I was wondering how is Scoped Storage implemented on the Android OS and whether it can be disabled or that specific module can be rolled back by ROM developers.
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Yeah, that's what I originally thought as well. Still, we can't feasibly remain on Android 10 forever, so I was wondering how is Scoped Storage implemented on the Android OS and whether it can be disabled or that specific module can be rolled back by ROM developers.
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They say their some file manager they bypass this restrictions it may work but I can't say for sure
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.marc.files
This app may be able to bypass the restrictions
Austinredstoner said:
They say their some file manager they bypass this restrictions it may work but I can't say for sure
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.marc.files
This app may be able to bypass the restrictions
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Yeah, I know some file managers are able to bypass the restrictions (Root Explorer, Solid Explorer etc). The problem is with other, non-file-manager apps (e.g. messaging apps, browsers, games) which are used to storing their data in Android/data.
Many such apps either crash upon opening, or they might ask for permission to access their old folders, which when granted, opens up the Android stock file picker. The stock file picker then refuses to allow the app to use its old folder, saying "to protect your privacy, choose another folder" (or something like that, I've downgraded to Android 10), and there don't seem to be any options to use a different file picker (for some reason the only other app I can see in the file picker is Termux??).
This cripples a lot of older apps which are still very useful but which haven't been updated in a while (and when I say "older", I mean "2019" - not that old, about half of Android devices still run on 9.0 or older).
ArtemisPilly said:
Yeah, I know some file managers are able to bypass the restrictions (Root Explorer, Solid Explorer etc). The problem is with other, non-file-manager apps (e.g. messaging apps, browsers, games) which are used to storing their data in Android/data.
Many such apps either crash upon opening, or they might ask for permission to access their old folders, which when granted, opens up the Android stock file picker. The stock file picker then refuses to allow the app to use its old folder, saying "to protect your privacy, choose another folder" (or something like that, I've downgraded to Android 10), and there don't seem to be any options to use a different file picker (for some reason the only other app I can see in the file picker is Termux??).
This cripples a lot of older apps which are still very useful but which haven't been updated in a while (and when I say "older", I mean "2019" - not that old, about half of Android devices still run on 9.0 or older).
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Google will finally let file manager apps request "All Files Access" on Android 11 next month
Google has finally announced when it will allow file managers and other apps that target Android request the All Files Access permission.
www.xda-developers.com
This wasn't here when u created this thread but this is good news
Austinredstoner said:
Google will finally let file manager apps request "All Files Access" on Android 11 next month
Google has finally announced when it will allow file managers and other apps that target Android request the All Files Access permission.
www.xda-developers.com
This wasn't here when u created this thread but this is good news
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Actually the article says that Android/data and Android/obb will be excluded from said access, so it's not really any improvement over the current situation.
One of the alternative band-aids to disabling Scoped Storage might be to find some way to mod the stock file picker so it recognises apps like Solid Explorer and Root Explorer (which can bypass the restrictions) as file managers. However this still doesn't help apps which expect to be able to access their files from the get-go; one example is GTA San Andreas, which seems to just crash upon opening.
Xplore file manager bypasses it
X-plore File Manager - Apps on Google Play
X-plore is dual-pane file manager with tree view, LAN/Root/Clouds and more.
play.google.com
ArtemisPilly said:
Yeah, that's what I originally thought as well. Still, we can't feasibly remain on Android 10 forever, so I was wondering how is Scoped Storage implemented on the Android OS and whether it can be disabled or that specific module can be rolled back by ROM developers.
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You can stay on Q for the life of the device more then likely. I'm still running Pie with zero issues.
Android's gone Apple tarted
blackhawk said:
You can stay on Q for the life of the device more then likely. I'm still running Pie with zero issues.
Android's gone Apple tarted
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money will make even the best developers re-tart just take a glance at windows 10
I still got windows xp
revized said:
money will make even the best developers re-tart just take a glance at windows 10
I still got windows xp
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Sad but predictable to see Android tailspinning in like creepy billgatesware.
XPx64 is still the best.
I run W7x64 too.
After that MS became an useless liability.
Evil clownware
I still wonder though, will LineageOS opt out of Scoped Storage or add a feature to disable it?
An equally effective alternative and probably even better one would be to let the user give specific apps full storage permission. Is something like this realizable (even if it's through rooted means - that would be fine)?
We need CONTAINERS for scoped storage. Same as we do for browser containers.
We need a scoped storage manager to group apps.
We don't need an all or nothing approach designed to push everything through the cloud.
Then again, that could be a workaround, right? Same as the workarounds for the browser when local file access was removed: setup a local server to pass data between processes!!
Hi, just my tuppence worth.
I bought an updated android box couple months ago as an upgrade to couple of old ones I had. Mainly use for watching streamed tv shows, viewing youtube and also checking out my cctv and saving recordings to the usb hdd.
Well the new box was amazing. Never mind the hype it is really good. its the hk1 rboxx4. Very fast on latest android 11. But it was a good month messing about trying to work out why nothing would write to the external usb dd. Then I discovered the scope business and the penny dropped.
Google is going to muscle in on streaming ppv sites. Well android has for years. But if they want to sell premium movies etc. or even just official boxes, They wont want the fee payers making back-ups. Just cant see why else they would do it.
The second thing is X-plore does not solve the problem. Ive used it for years on every device iv ever had. But it will not write to ext hdd on android 11. Tried many times, many versions.