Hi!
First of all - I'm not responsible for anything that could happen to your phone because of this guide.
I'm gonna show you how to fix your razer phone that:
- doesn't charge at all
- starts charging for 10 seconds and then stop
- as above but in a loop
- only charges on specified polarity of usb-c cable (when you flip the cable phone charges)
- etc
First let's take a look at the USB-C connector:
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There are:
- 4 pins providing grounds (-) (marked black)
- 4 pins providing power (+) (marked red)
- 2 cable connection detect pins (marked orange)
How it works?
Black and red pins provide power for your phone (5v)
Orange pins detect if usb-c plug is plugged into your phone or it's not.
What happens in almost every razer phone after ~1-2 years?
Orange pins break and your phone is unable to detect that you plugged charger/pc/whatever
But power pins (red and black) are ok and provide power to your phone
Soo your phone is like "There is power but usb cable isn't connected" and starts acting weird
If only one detection pin break (orange) you can still charge your phone, but only on one side of usb connector
If both detection pins break you are unable to charge your phone at all
So how to fix this without replacing whole usb-c connector?
The easiest way is to bridge VBUS (red) pins with the CC1 or CC2 pin (orange) with 1kOHM resistor.
If u have such a bridge the phone thinks "power coming in = cable is connected"
(the voltage from vbus (the charger) flows into cc1 pin and thats signal for your phone that usb-c cable is connected).
How to implement this fix?
All you need is soldering iron, 1kohm resistor and a steady hand.
First, take a look at the Razer Phone motherboard:
There are some test-points that we can solder-in without destroying anything
Soldering cables to test points don't require super-precision, my grandpa could do it!
You have to put 1kOhm resistor between CC1 and VBUS
Or between cc2 and VBUS, then your phone will think that usb-c plug is flipped!
(just joking there isn't any reason to do it xd)
REMEMBER - DO NOT CONNECT TO BOTH CC1 AND CC2 PINS AT THE SAME TIME!
CHOOSE EITHER CC1 OR CC2 (I prefer CC1 ;p)
And that's all!
Now your phone should charge normally again!
Btw, if your charging port is absoluttly smashed you can provide 5v to any of the VBUS pins to charge (like me ).
Now take a look at my implementation:
Don't mind the rest of the cables, my Razer has been through a lot
(the black cable is soldered only to CC1, it may look that it is soldered also to cc2 but it's not!)
The last step is to pack the resistor somewhere:
I have some space because of smaller battery.
If you have trouble finding good spot you could use smaller "SMD" resistor.
Look, what a nicely charging Razer Phone!
Enjoy!
Photos taken using S22 ultra
Please credit
Wonder if this would work on the Razer phone 2, How did you find where each VUSB was? did you check the pins from the USB C to those?
x0xDJSx0x said:
Wonder if this would work on the Razer phone 2, How did you find where each VUSB was? did you check the pins from the USB C to those?
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no, my usbc connector was totally destroyed. Trial & error
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Any idea why the connector is slightly different to a normal mini USB (i.e. one corner is slightly rounded).
Anyone had any joy using a miniUSB connector?
I've managed to charge mine using a miniUSB connector but it doesnt seem to connect to a PC with it. I'm wondering if the pin out is slightly different from an apparently proprietary HTC Diamond cable (but the power works)?
No idea why the connector is different, but my Diamon connects to the PC using a standard USB cable...
There are different types of mini usb cables. Some will not allow data connections from the daim100. I dont the technical reason. However i have cables from freecom usb harddisks that should be data compatible that will only charge the phone and nothing more.
counterfitninja said:
There are different types of mini usb cables. Some will not allow data connections from the daim100. I dont the technical reason. However i have cables from freecom usb harddisks that should be data compatible that will only charge the phone and nothing more.
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Yeh. Mine will only charge....
I've tried at least 4 different miniUSB cables that I have around and all of them charge and allow data sync.
I've used a mini USB from a digicam, both charge and data worked.
I've heard miniUSB wall chargers won't work, though...
you must used in usb standard cabl with shild 5port not 4port
I've got an HTC wall charger and it worked with a miniUSB cable I had lying around.
-Mike
I believe the rounded plug is a HTC ExtUSB™ 11pin mini USB which has the additional pins for audio (headphones, etc). The standard USB Mini-B connector is fine for all charging and data needs providing you have a standard cable (good quality). Some cannot provide enough power to charge/power external devices.
USB Mini-B
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More USB stuff & Pic from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_cable#Cables
I used a standard miniUSB cable to sync, charge using HTC charger and charge using another charger. However, for some reason phone thought I am connecting to PC when I was charging.
there has already been a thread about this (and there has been on every section of the forum!)
I'm using a Motorola Mini USB cable for both charging and data, works great.
The Diamond differentiates between a charger and a PC by the use of pin 4 in the cable. On standard USB-cables, pin 4 is not connected. On a HTC-charger, it is connected to ground. If you connect pin 4 to ground, the charger will be seen as a charger, and htc's battery-tool will indicate "AC".
Have fun!
This is something I made as a prototype/proof of concept test for something I hope to make for my S2, but since I only have Tab OTG adapters around and no S2 ones yet I made the prototype for the Tab
Anyways, this is quite simple. Take a USB OTG adapter, strip it down to where you have wires sticking out of a 30 pin connector, find a tiny USB flash drive, strip it down, and solder the two together so that the USB plug is still usable. End result is a small USB flash drive that can connect to both a computer and the Tab (not at the same time, obviously)
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Were I to make a V2 of the Tab version I would have located the USB connector on the side - which was always the plan with the S2 one, just didnt bother wit the Tab prototype
The connector is NOT proprieatry, its a 30 pin PDMI connector. Read it at everyone's favourite encyclopaedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI
So basically you can just solder pins 1,2,3,5 to your thumbdrive and pin 4 to pin 2, and optionally solder pin 15 to pin 6 for high power and you're set. Saves money on getting the expensive OTG thingy. The hard part is getting the jack..
arikyeo said:
The connector is NOT proprieatry, its a 30 pin PDMI connector. Read it at everyone's favourite encyclopaedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDMI
So basically you can just solder pins 1,2,3,5 to your thumbdrive and pin 4 to pin 2, and optionally solder pin 15 to pin 6 for high power and you're set. Saves money on getting the expensive OTG thingy. The hard part is getting the jack..
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Have you verified the pin outs? Since the cables from original Tab can be used and it did not have a PDMI port I would guess that the Plus is not a PDMI port.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Tab
It also has a 30-pin docking and charging connector very similar to the standard PDMI connector (a non-proprietary alternative to Apple's docking connector). It appears so similar to the PDMI connector that it is widely mistaken for it, but it is non-standard and all accessories, including charging cables, are incompatible with other equipment and only available from Samsung.
http://forum.pocketables.net/showthread.php?t=7722&page=2
http://fatmixx.com/2010/12/07/samsungs-galaxy-tab-has-a-familiar-looking-connector/
http://www.kineteka.com/galaxy-tab-connector.aspx
I attached pictures of the pinouts.
I was really disappointed with this when I found out about it yesterday.
Indeed nothing universal about Samsung...they even use a trigger to activate charging, effectively making all third party non.Samsung specific chargers and battery packs out there useless without an adapter
I'm interested in getting a car dock, but so far all of the docks I've seen only connect to microusb to allow you to charge your phone. If you want to get audio out, you have to connect a cable to the 3.5mm jack. Has anyone seen a cable or adapter that allows you to both charge from a USB charger and has analog audio out so I can connect to my stereo? I am aware that microusb does not provide analog audio out, however the android accessory development kit does seem to support audio over usb, so the cable would need to have some DAC built in. However I can't seem to find any. The only option I've been able to figure out would be to buy a USB DAC intended for a PC, connect it via a USB OTG cable, and splice in my charger. But this seems cumbersome and expensive.
Thoughts?
This is something I am interested in as well, however, I really don't think there's any way a dumb adapter could accomplish it without a DAC, like you said.
Probably the smallest option would be something like this, but still expensive; and since it'd be OTG, probably a pain.
My current attempt is to DIY a POGO dock (using the contacts on the back of the phone) out of one of these.
According to some work these guys did the contacts can function for charging and audio out.
I'll let you know if anything ends up working.
Well, I got all my parts in... and ended in failure
(I forgot to take pictures during, but here are some after the fact...)
I started with a Kidigi car dock:
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It holds the phone fairly securely:
But there are three problems:
It looks to have been built for the international version, since the usb plug is about a millimeter out of place. This isn't a problem... unless you're trying to line up tiny pogo contacts.
If you remove the usb plug, the phone falls out of the dock, damn!
The usb plug is modified so it triggers car mode when plugged in.
Anyway, I decided to forge ahead.
I was able to determine where the pogos go by lubing up the back of the phone and pressing it into the dock with some duct seal in between.
The construction of the dock was extremely convenient for this project; it was made of three pieces.
Two pieces are screwed together, and one clips in depending on whether or not you have a case on your phone.
I drilled the clip in piece to just allow the end of the pogo through, but not the whole thing.
Then I drilled the other two a bit bigger to fit the whole pogo:
I put the pogos through:
And epoxied them in on the inside of the two screw-together pieces:
All the connections worked!
I temporarily tacked on some wires to the pogos and was able to charge the phone.
However, even after playing with a ton of different resistances, I wasn't able to convince the dock to output audio from the other contacts.
I didn't know if it was because I was on a sense 5 rom, so I tried cleanrom 6.5 (basically stock), and JB aokp... no luck.
Long story short, I'm just going to use the dock as it was intended and deal with having two wires coming out of the phone
I try this one - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-3-5mm...Phone_PDA_Cables_Adapters&hash=item25825f2273
but no audio out on the 3.5mm jack
http://www.amazon.com/HT-UH010-Char...=UTF8&qid=1389199349&sr=8-3&keywords=hootoo+7
HooToo® HT-UH010 7-Port USB 3.0 HUB with 2 Smart Charging Ports
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Manufacturer Description
Smart Charging Port Adavantage: 2 smart charging ports provide full-speed and sufficient powers to charge all Apple and Android smartphones, tablets and other USB charged devices with a 5V charge input. The iPod nano and some GPS and Bluetooth devices are not supported.
Massive expansion, provide 7 USB 3.0 ports for home and work users
Premium 12V/5A AC power adapter makes full use of all 9 ports
LED indicators for each USB 3.0 ports and power supply. 18 Months Warranty.
Plug and play. Supports hot-swap function and no driver needed. Built-in current protection system effectively protects hub and connected devices from electronically accident.
Size
Length - 5.71 inches
Width - 1.73 inches
Height - 0.91 inches
I'm sure a lot of you guys are like me and probably have a charger and a usb hub on your desk/table/workstation. Everytime I used to look at my usb hub, I used to get so frustrated that it only had 0.5 amps for charging and that simply didn't cut it with most phones/tablets. Now comes this handy little savior of a device and it combines a usb 3.0 hub and a 2 port charger.
There are 7 usb data ports each numbered and 2 charging ports (a 1 amp port and a 2.1 amp port). So it can charge most devices under the sun.
Build Quality
It's made out of plastic, lightweight but not flimsy. Does not bend or creek that I've noticed when trying to flex it. Seems like a good well built usb hub.
The number on each data port lights up when being used. While the Charging port has no light notification that its being used.
It is to note that t does slip around a bit. This is because the bottom doesn't have any anti-slip feet or rubber pads at the bottom. Easy fix for as you can get them for a few bucks on amazon or ebay.
Performance
I won't talk too much about the usb 3.0 read and write speeds; But I was able to get:
on a slower usb 3.0 usb drive:
21 mb/s write
31 mb/s read
the fastest USB 3.0 drive I had:
45 mb/s write
153 mb/s read
so its safe to say that the usb 3.0 hub works well with data transfers. The speeds will mostly depend on your peripheral you're using
The ports were able to charge an array of devices. Different combinations of the following were able to be charged with no problem:
Nexus 5
Nexus 7 2013
Ipad 2
Ipad 4
Sansa Clip+ mp3 player
Galaxy S3
Galaxy S2
Conclusion
For what this little gadget does I think it's a no brainer to have for us tech geeks. Small, functional and multi-purpose.
I got the original USB-C to USB-C cable for my Kebap on my charger. On the PC with Windows 10 on a very new MSI motherboard I used some cheap USB-C to USB cable for everything regarding my smartphone. Now I felt that the old cheap USB-C cable was a bit too short and got a pretty good looking mesh covered USB-C to USB with 2 meters length. Now I realized that ADB does not work with it. Data transfer is fine on the PC, but ADB just turns on and off the connection all the time looping. I checked with the old cable on the same USB port on the PC, and it works fine. Checked the new cable on some other USB port, not working. For my Trezor hardware wallet the new cable works.
How comes that some cables work, and others don't? I thought as long as they are sold as "data cable" suitable for syncing stuff, all should work?
C to C cable is kind of mess, especially those with E-Mark chip, they can negotiate the communication protocol(USB3/4_GEN1/GEN2 Thunderbolt3/4_20Gbps/40Gbps…) and current with the system or charger.
So different type C to C cable will act different, cable it self can backward compatible, oneplus 8T USB prot is USB3.1 GEN1(USB2.0 compatible), any C to C cable should work fine(I use tunderbolt3 cable do all the stuff).
Oneplus 8T C to C cable connector only has 2 data pin(D+ D-), means is USB2.0 only cable.
In your case, there are two possible situations;
1> New cable is USB3.X or higher(use more pin/core), but the core is low quality or damaged, or the phone/cable connector is dirty or oxidized. try unplug/plug different side several times, or use another cable.
2> Some PCIE GEN 4.0 AMD motherboard/laptop has USB disconnect issues, try set PCIE to GEN3 may solve this problem.
Or, just use USB2.0 only cable, for maximum compatibility….
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Thanks for all the info.
Went to the hardware store, and got me some higher quality USB-A to USB-C cable (15$ - more than double the price of the cheap one), and ADB works mow. The eBay seller of the cheap cable with mesh just wrote me, that he will send me another piece. I will test that, and then I will know if it's just lame ass cable quality or some defect.
E-mark Cable info dump? You got a gadget to analyze smartphone cables? Nice.