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Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
beforedenied said:
Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
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There are pros and cons to root.
The first pro is limitless customizations and personalizations.
The first con is OTA updates get disabled.
Another pro is you are able to dramatically improve battery and overall performance using various apps.
Another con is your warranty will be void, assuming you tripped KNOX.
If you trip KNOX, Samsung Pay no longer works; if you have root (even without touching KNOX) Android Pay does not work.
I obtained root just to prove to myself it could be done.
Since then there have been dramatic improvements with speed and battery life.
Package Disabler Pro can freeze a lot of the bloatware without root: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ospolice.packagedisablerpro&hl=en
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
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XxLordxX said:
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk
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Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
An android phone for me is worthless without root permissions. I need it for:
adaway adds
iptables (firewall)
better battery life (debloat)
titanium backup
JuanRamiro said:
Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
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I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
Iceman_jkh said:
I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
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Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
JuanRamiro said:
Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
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Keep in mind this engineering bootloader does not work with all variants. For example there is no Eng Bootloader for the Canadian phones.
Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
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Iceman_jkh said:
Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
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I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
JuanRamiro said:
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
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Thanks. I did some additional research, thanks to your advice about eng boot loader, and seems like it will work ☺
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JuanRamiro said:
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
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Hi,
I wouldn't risk that "you can just flash the correct one and make it work again". If you know how a bootloader work, if it gets broken there is no way to get to Download Mode and flash a new firmware/bootloader.
For information sake, a bootloader is a piece of software that is the first thing loaded when you boot your device, it comes before anything, be it kernel, be it recovery or anything else, that means, if you have a broken bootloader, the moment you try to boot your device up, it will try loading BL and it will fail, so it will shut down back again. I've had a broken BL once before on S4, the only way to recover was a direct flash of software in system chip using a tool called JTAG.
So, all I can say to users who still didn't get it: beware with this. It seems that many people are getting successful results, but it's an extremely risk procedure, make sure you read every single instruction and follow it, the possibility of a hard brick is high.
Even still, it's a great find, thanks for sharing with me, I didn't know of this until early today .
All the best,
~Lord
I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
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Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
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Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
coolmalayalee said:
Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
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Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
jetbruceli said:
Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
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Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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Once tripped there is no going back. Voided warranty depends on laws of your country and your retailers policy.
coolmalayalee said:
Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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YOU CAN NOT UNTRIP KNOX, you can reflash your firmware from Sammobile, http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-G920F/
use odin and then after you flash, go into recovery or use system settings and conduct a factory reset. It will say Official in the status but, since they will reflash your rom anyways, they will see the knox trip.
It depends on where you purschased your device whether or not they will warranty it with Knox tripped.
Honestly, anyone who roots should understand this information before hand. You should always know how to return to stock unroot.
Jameslwoodward said:
I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
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After rooting my 5.1.1 without tripping Knox, with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader (as as described a few posts ago) I have flashed a stok rom with odin and then everything went back as it was before the rooting procedure.
1. I was on stok oficial rom with oficial bootloader.
2. I lost root.
3. Knox was still intact: 0.
4. Fingerprint scanner and MyKnox worked again.
So: after upgrade to 5.1.1, rooting with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader seems to be safe and also easy to bo back to stock... at least for my model (G920F)
Hi,
I've one (big) problem that I can't fix.
I've been using Android 5.0.1 for more than 1 year as I didn't want to upgrade (it worked pretty well) and because I had the S6 rooted with PingPong root.
However, one month ago it started to run slowly, crashing apps, ... so I decided that, as I wanted to wipe the device, why not upgrade to MM (6.0.1)??, so I did.
I did a backup of all my data and EFS folder and downloaded a 6.0.1 ROM to flash it with ODIN. Everything went OK and finished flashing the rom, but when the S6 restarted it showed this in the recovery:
'dm-verity verificztion failed...
Need to check DRK first...'
And I cant boot.
I've tried some tips that are here and in other websites:
- I've flashed stock rom again
- I've flashed a stock rom without cache.img file.
- I Can't flash some files as I've R/L ON. (I've been trying to disable it for many months but I couldn't).
But the S6 doesn't boot...
Thank you!
What worked for me.
So this is my current issue, but i was able to resolve the issue you are having. so what i did was get the 5.1X OK7 (My phone is Verizon) firmware and flashed through ODIN 3.12.5, this flashed stock 5.1.1 in my phone and it worked good. however i have issue with my phone random restarts and power button not working in recovery or in rom. however i can go in and out of downloading mode or maintenance mode.
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So this is my current issue, but i was able to resolve the issue you are having. so what i did was get the 5.1X OK7 (My phone is Verizon) firmware and flashed through ODIN 3.12.5, this flashed stock 5.1.1 in my phone and it worked good. however i have issue with my phone random restarts and power button not working in recovery or in rom. however i can go in and out of downloading mode or maintenance mode.
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Thanks for your reply!
I tried to downgrade to 5.1.1 or 5.0.1 but I get an error.
(SW REV CHECK FAIL DEVICE 2 BINARY 1)
That happens when you don't have the right firmware you have.
You CANNOT downgrade to 5.1 or 5.0 since you are on 6.0. The bootloaders refuses to be overwritten.
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That happens when you don't have the right firmware you have.
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I'm trying to flash another 6.0.1 ROM (a bit older), but I get 'CHECK FAIL. DEVICE: 4, BINARY:3'
I've read that DRK problems are related with EFS files, so... Can I restore EFS folder (I've a backup from Android 5.0.1) to solve?? I don't know how to restore it without booting into the sistem (and without custom recovery)
I am afraid that downgrade to 5.0.1 is not possible, at least I dont know anyone who succedeed in doing that.
If you were on systemless root, probably your Knox is still 0, check it in DL mode, if it is and you have the phone less that 3 yrs (1 yr warranty+2yrs factory warranty) best solution would be to ask in Samsung repair center if the factory warranty would be accepted (ofcourse dont mention flashing, just say you tried official update, and play dumb).
If not you can try custom kernel wich will bypass DRK, and prolly make the phone bootable, but there is no guarantee everything will work well (maybe it will, but mostly it doesnt, forget using Samsung pay, and KNOX tripped)
As for EFS, maybe I am wrong, but I think EFS contains IMEI and sn info, and DRK is something else.
brenner650 said:
I am afraid that downgrade to 5.0.1 is not possible, at least I dont know anyone who succedeed in doing that.
If you were on systemless root, probably your Knox is still 0, check it in DL mode, if it is and you have the phone less that 3 yrs (1 yr warranty+2yrs factory warranty) best solution would be to ask in Samsung repair center if the factory warranty would be accepted (ofcourse dont mention flashing, just say you tried official update, and play dumb).
If not you can try custom kernel wich will bypass DRK, and prolly make the phone bootable, but there is no guarantee everything will work well (maybe it will, but mostly it doesnt, forget using Samsung pay, and KNOX tripped)
As for EFS, maybe I am wrong, but I think EFS contains IMEI and sn info, and DRK is something else.
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Thank you for your reply!!
I had the device rooted, but with PingPong root, so Knox is still 0. However it shows that the system is "custom".
I'll try the warranty, they may not notice the "custom", just the knox.
I'm with the same problem when trying to flash stock BTU QA7..and only if i flashing cf_root my phone is booting.
Any idea? I don't care about the Knox..
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orbgel10 said:
I'm with the same problem when trying to flash stock BTU QA7..and only if i flashing cf_root my phone is booting.
Any idea? I don't care about the Knox..
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If you are talking about DRK, the only way to fix it that I know of, other than hw replacement, is via 3rd party professional repair tool. (Octopus/Octoplus box)
If DRK is ok, phone boots normaly, if it is messed up, the only way of booting is with custom kernel which bypass DRK check.
You can check it in recovery, if messed up it will say DM verity failed on bottom of the screen.
Ok, i send my phone to fix, i will tell you what happened.
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brenner650 said:
I am afraid that downgrade to 5.0.1 is not possible, at least I dont know anyone who succedeed in doing that.
If you were on systemless root, probably your Knox is still 0, check it in DL mode, if it is and you have the phone less that 3 yrs (1 yr warranty+2yrs factory warranty) best solution would be to ask in Samsung repair center if the factory warranty would be accepted (ofcourse dont mention flashing, just say you tried official update, and play dumb).
If not you can try custom kernel wich will bypass DRK, and prolly make the phone bootable, but there is no guarantee everything will work well (maybe it will, but mostly it doesnt, forget using Samsung pay, and KNOX tripped)
As for EFS, maybe I am wrong, but I think EFS contains IMEI and sn info, and DRK is something else.
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Thanks for your reply!!.
I took my S6 (925F) to a Samsung service center as you said. However, they told me that my S/N was incorrect (I bought a second-hand S6 edge, I think someone changed it) so they couldn't fix it.
Now I'm trying to use SmartSwitch to do a factory reset but it asks me for the S/N and I don't have the original one, just a S/N from a non edge S6 (920F). How can I do the factory reset without my S/N??? Can I use the serial number from another 925F??
Now I'm trying to find an engineering bootloader, to bypass the R/L and flash CF-AutoRoot, custom recovery.... but I only find it for 5.0.1 or... for galaxy S6 G925T, not F.
Finally, I managed to fix my S6 by myself!! (not really, but at least it boots...)
This is what I did:
- I found a factory binary for my S6 so I flashed it via ODIN
- I flashed a 6.0.1 ROM without hidden and without cache
Then it boots without any problems. However, now I can't get into recovery
I hope this will help someone
Dear All,
I recently installed on my desktop an application to recover deleted photos; dr.fone.
I managed to review all of my deleted photos, however, I noticed that some things were change within my phone.
I checked my phone's download mode, it says that the System Status: Custom, and Knox Warranty Void. Even under my Settings > About Device, it says Device Status: Custom.
Knox keeps on warning me about Unauthorized Actions etc, requesting that I restart my device, but restarting it results the same, nothing is fixed.
S Health is also not able to launch, error about Knox policy etc.
OTA update also wont work, it says that Operating system on your device has been modified.
Phone is a Samsung Galaxy S6 SM-G920F on the latest firmware/baseband G920FXXU5EQD3, Android Security Patch level 1 December 2017.
On this note, I urge to anyone to not use dr.fone. It will mess your phone.
***Sorry i just noticed that i posted this in the wrong section. Could not find a way to move the topic to a different section.. Again, I apologize.
I'm afraid it looks like the software you used has tripped the Knox Counter (irreversible). As a result, your warranty is now void and you won't be able to use some Official Samsung Services such as Spay, SHealth...
The way to get rid of the messages, is to CLEAN FLASH a STOCK ROM via Odin.
Hallo Everybody,
I used to hav my device rooted for a while, but switched back to Stock Rom and unroot. I get OTA and some Apps which weren´t running before work now.
BUT some are not, the phone still knows it was rooted once and wont let me use all apps.
Is there a waychanging that behaviour to fabric like new samsung phone which never was rooted?
as i use the phone for work as well my main concern is the not Working In tune App of Micrososft.
Hope there is a way to get that working soon.
thx in advance
There are some work arounds if it's rooted.
If no longer rooted Knox's efuse has been tripped by the previous rooting. Since it's physical device similar to a programmable prom, it can't be unburned.
Suppose I have rooted my phone and my Knox gets tripped then what if I flash the brand new official firmware then will everything be normal?
Once knox is tripped it's gone forever
EugenStanis said:
Once knox is tripped it's gone forever
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What if i flash a brand new official firmware?
__ashuuu.02 said:
What if i flash a brand new official firmware?
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Knox will be tripped like before, some functions may not work.
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Suppose I have rooted my phone and my Knox gets tripped then what if I flash the brand new official firmware then will everything be normal?
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There is a LSposed module supposedly for knox features, never tried it though.
I haven't tried it yet, either. https://github.com/BlackMesa123/KnoxPatch
No matter what, of course (for the OP), Knox will be permanently tripped, and there's no way to untrip it.
So, the KNOX status is stored in an "efuse" (electronic fuse), once tripped it cannot be reset, the only way to "fix it" is to replace the entire motherboard, not worth the cost.
You can of course put back a native/oficial firmware, most things will work, but anything that is using the KNOX flag will fail.
From what i remember this are a few of the things that will not work anymore :
- samsung health
- samsung payment
- secure folder
- possibly the dual account support (work/personal) won't work, never used it so not sure
If you don't use those then it's not an issue to have the flag.
You can also use an xpose/lsposed module to hide the knox status, but there's no guarantee that it works or that a firmware update won't make that module fail in the future.
Also, i had a banking app (from a romanian bank) that didn't work with tripped knox, but they did give an update that fixed it so as long as the phone was not rooted the bank app worked without issues (this was about 5-6 years ago on a Note 3)
If you really need to use an app that checks the Knox status, the easisest/cheapest would be to get a second hand phone (with the flag still intact) and sell this one, you'll loose some money but it will be cheaper than replacing the entire motherboard
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So, the KNOX status is stored in an "efuse" (electronic fuse), once tripped it cannot be reset, the only way to "fix it" is to replace the entire motherboard, not worth the cost.
You can of course put back a native/oficial firmware, most things will work, but anything that is using the KNOX flag will fail.
From what i remember this are a few of the things that will not work anymore :
- samsung health
- samsung payment
- secure folder
- possibly the dual account support (work/personal) won't work, never used it so not sure
If you don't use those then it's not an issue to have the flag.
You can also use an xpose/lsposed module to hide the knox status, but there's no guarantee that it works or that a firmware update won't make that module fail in the future.
Also, i had a banking app (from a romanian bank) that didn't work with tripped knox, but they did give an update that fixed it so as long as the phone was not rooted the bank app worked without issues (this was about 5-6 years ago on a Note 3)
If you really need to use an app that checks the Knox status, the easisest/cheapest would be to get a second hand phone (with the flag still intact) and sell this one, you'll loose some money but it will be cheaper than replacing the entire
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thank you very much your reply helped me a lot you explained everything very well thank you
How to unlock BL, is there any way, US version