We received a notification to update to One UI 5/Android 13 with baseband S908WVLU2BVK1. Seeing as we never had any issue with any update, my wife updated the device AND then the problem started.
Problem: Immediately after the update, OneDrive started crashing which was odd. Then my wife complained that she can't see the images in Gallery and she can't download Whatsapp messages. I tried checking storage using X-plore file manager and I can't see any mounted storage. Trying to update apps in google store results in "Not enough space" message.
If I go into the Settings > Storage section, all I see are 0 B everywhere. Calls, and receiving & sending messages in WhatsApp/SMs app works fine too. All apps that needs to store on internal user storage can't do it because its not there.
I am attaching some images if they can be of any help to anyone. If you have any cmds to do over ADB, please do let me know. I have used ADB years ago, and I hope nothing much's changed since then.
Try clearing system cache.
Try in safe mode.
I hope all your critical data was backed up redundantly on hdds... before this happen.
If worse comes to desperate factory reset.
If that doesn't work you can probably roll it back to the last working version if the bootloader wasn't upgraded too.
Go to the Samsung members forum (Google search it) and see who else has this issue and if they have a fix.
Rule #1 - if an OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be! I'm still running Pie on my stock N10+; current load is over 2.5 yo, last update was 3 years ago. Still fast, stable with minimal maintenance. Security is not an issue.
That's what Android is capable of... or should be.
blackhawk said:
I'm still running Pie on my stock N10+; current load is over 2.5 yo, last update was 3 years ago. Still fast, stable with minimal maintenance. Security is not an issue.
That's what Android is capable of... or should be.
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How do I reach this mental state Mate?
I'm a flashaholic, and I need even the tiny weeny apps updated to the latest.
Hell, I wish I could be like you.
JazonX said:
How do I reach this mental state Mate?
I'm a flashaholic, and I need even the tiny weeny apps updated to the latest.
Hell, I wish I could be like you.
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Lol, don't get me started It's easy to be like me over time. Android's are (or were) the easiest OS to use. Almost crash and burn proof. Didn't like where Samsung or Google was going with their products so I dug in with the best Note they ever made and Android 9/10. I'm good for another 2-3+ years as is. The newer Samsung's are less capable, have worse form factor, get worse SOT, have less memory (I have a 1.5tb dual drive device in my hand) and are only marginally faster by milliseconds doing most tasks. Not much bang for the buck even after 3 years. Not buying Samsung's marketing hype.
I had a S4+ running on Kitkat. The last cirmware update for Kitkat blocked the ability to use quick root. That's all it did. No rollback. The Lollipop update completely screws up the S4+, the playlist and contacts format is altered from line to awkward squares although an Edge running on Lollipop retains the line format. Really?
Thanks for that garbage Samsung. Samsung claimed to S4+ lacked the resources to support the line format on Lollipop; it uses less resource than the grid pattern does. Samsung lied to me.
Lesson learned, the hard way.
Then I heard the endless Google scare hype about how one needs to upgrade from 9 to 10, then 11, then 12 and each one was worse then the one before with cpu cycle sucking scoped storage being fully active on 11 and up. Google has wanted to kill expandable storage and force you to use inferior cloud storage. Just like MS they want control through cloud apps. It's an old ploy. Didn't buy the vaccine hype or Google's security scare hype. I use/do what works.
I have 2 N10+'s the newest one is running on 10. The Pie variant is more capable though, far less system apps (about 100) and a very stable platform. This 3yo N10+ is the most stable and longest lived load I ever had with only minimal maintenance. My free 6 yo copy of WPS Office (the ony free none cloud office app that can write Windows Office files) runs on both 9 and 10. I know 11 would not load it, security you know. I simply firewall block WPS Office to neutralize it, but it remains 100% functional.
Security simply isn't an issue with just a few modifications and common sense. I go everywhere on the internet but vet all apps but don't allow updates (apps that pass Playstore can latter download their payload as an update evading Playstore security). I firewall block all apps that don't need internet access and monitor those that do. Karma Firewall's logging feature is fully active on Pie but 10 blocks it. I also disable wifi since I don't need it and bt when not in use, 2 potential vectors for hackers. I hawk the download folder daily for anything I didn't authorize and vet everything before it leaves the download folder. All email is kept in the cloud, I rarely download anything from there especially jpegs and png's. Another vector plugged. I back out of bad websites, close the browser if needed and if needed I will delete the cache or even browser data. Brave browser is my primary browser and it's pretty much bulletproof, so far. No social media or shopping apps are ever installed, they are malware.
No OS can protect you completely if you do stupid things. My critical data is redundantly backed up so even if my SD card (used as a data drive) gets wiped by malware I can recreate it. Pie and 10 are impervious to the worst partition worming rootkits so a factory reset will kill them. If I can't eliminate malware within 2 hours, factory reset. So far that hasn't happened.
You get the idea; upgrades/updates do more damage and waste more of your time than malware. As long as the firmware and software are fulfilling their mission I leave it alone. It's almost all play time rather than chasing down loose ends and finding work arounds (if they even exist). Spent a lot of time optimizing this system and it runs like a bat out of hell. Upgrades are nothing but trouble for me.
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I am constantly seeing blogs about fragmentation and how it is poisoning the well for developers. I personal think it is a load of crap, but i thought i would ask the developers.
What do you guys think?
Is fragmentation an issue?
YES, it could be an issue if Google did nothing to fix it, but they are:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/exclusive-android-froyo-to-take-a-serious-shot-at-stemming-plat/
Not pretending to be an expert, or even a developer, but plenty of apps didn't cross well from various WinMo builds, or devices. WinMo fragmentation hasn't been trending. It's a rhetorical buzzword sustained by iPhanbois, imo.
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YES, it could be an issue if Google did nothing to fix it, but they are:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/exclusive-android-froyo-to-take-a-serious-shot-at-stemming-plat/
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Yea I saw that too
It's just today we are suppose to be in fragmentation hell... It's just i don't see it.
Once in a while i will tell my friend with a Samsung Moment about an app, and for some reason he does not see it in the market, but this is few and far between.
I chose yes but I doubt it will kill android. It is annoying though to have a phone that is way behind because the maker of the custom UI is too lazy to do anything.
It did not kill the pc, or Windows for that matter. It will probably be gaming benefiting the most of future power increases.
Yeah, iFanboys are the most common people to critizise android for fragmentation - but they are not safe either.
Now with 2g, 3g, 3gs and ipad - and all having diffrent hardware in one way or another - they will also experience fragmentation. Esp. now that OS4 wont be feature-complete on 3g vs 3gs - and ipad wont get it until later.
Just because android got 3 res (320, 480 and 800) doesnt mean that it will be problems since 1.6 came out. Sure they need to fix/force vendors to upgrade handsets to latest android, so that people wont be left out - but since 1.6 that problem is much smaller, and there aint many handsets left out there with builds earlier then 1.6.
It's a problem.
Why do you think there are so many apps that are rated lowly on the market because of incompatibilities.
If there was only 1 phone and 1 version of android to code for, then bugs and compatibility would nearly be a thing of the past.
I think it's an issue, but a minor one. I'd rather them improve the OS rapidly and deal with not being able to use some apps, than sit with a stagnate OS but have more apps.
Like the other poster said though, they are going to try to fix it after 2.2 and work on making apps more compatible with all OS versions.
Hell, at least they realize it's a problem. Microsoft sure didn't give a ****, and doesn't now with 7 series.
Because of the "vendor delay" and the frequent Android releases, Android phones seem to have a 5-month lifecycle (my 1.5 Magic is 6 months old now, and I still can't use Donut/Eclair apps like Goggles, Maps w/ Buzz and many new apps that require 1.6+).
Access to applications is what makes most people buy smartphones. Remove or limit this, and people will switch to other vendors or platforms.
For people that root and switch custom roms, this doesn't seem like a big issue. But the majority of the users won't have access to all the new 1.6/2.1 apps being released on the market.
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I think it's an issue, but a minor one. I'd rather them improve the OS rapidly and deal with not being able to use some apps, than sit with a stagnate OS but have more apps.
Like the other poster said though, they are going to try to fix it after 2.2 and work on making apps more compatible with all OS versions.
Hell, at least they realize it's a problem. Microsoft sure didn't give a ****, and doesn't now with 7 series.
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@Clam*, you're right about them realizing it's a problem and working on it.
I believe they plan to have every phone running the same version of android, but with many add-ons available from the market.
This is surely a desirable route. Might it never happen? I haven't the slightest.
Alternatively a big pack of goodies you can get from online or preferrably the market that has all the addons depending on the sufficiency of phone hardware.
Hell, better yet! It could be part of the "first use tutorial" we all know and love
The first time the user turns on the phone after entering google info etc. they can check all the options they want and it will automatically download them from googles servers and set them up on the phone.
Very reminiscent of certain linux installations with addons from repositories.
OpenSuSE comes to mind.
Or to speed that process up, the phone retailer can install the addons specific for that phone.
Though it would still be nice to have the option to checkmark features at our own whim, allowing the system to discard the rest for example.
Of course if the addons were discarded or never installed by phone retailers in the first place they could still be downloaded from googles servers automatically.
**To Google Gods: It would be nice to have such options in the settings where we could enable and disable features and have them download or be discarded in the background**
There are so many methods out there to make fragmentation nothing more than a bygone.
I hope Google can turn this OS into what I've dreamed (figuratively) that it could be..
Ahh how I concieve ideas that will likely never occur..
Sorry.. i could write volumes about my futile ideas for the world, though I'm too hopeful and eager.
I'm sad to say..
"Such is our reality serving as the torrent thrusting back creative thought." -me
Hello, I am hoping y'all can tell me if my phone is just bad hardware, or if this is normal. Since installing the update, I've had to factory reset my phone 4 times so far after something triggers hotboots. Every time I try to ID an app or it is involves the SD card, it turns out to not be related when installing the next time after a reset.
Today I installed all of my paid apps from the Google Market, many of my Amazon apps, and then moved everything to SD card without issue. After downloading so many apps, I'd use App2SD Pro to move them over in batches, and log the apps being moved or installed and if they triggered hotboots.
I then started grabbing the free apps that I could remember using from the Market, reboot, and still fine. When I felt I was nearly done and "safe", I decided to move the last 6 apps that could be moved over to my SD card. Upon rebooting, hotboots began. Uninstalling anything that even looks like it loads into memory automatically, plus those 6 apps, has not helped.
I am wondering if I am tripping some counter when I near/exceed 200 apps and that is triggering hotboots until I factory reset. Currently trying to uninstall more apps between hotboots in the hopes that will help. I am suspecting it is Gingerbread, as I did see this on a leaked build, and not on Froyo.
Those last 6 apps were nothing system related. Just NASA, Inotia 3, Kayak, Medieval Empires, Defender, and Elixir 2. Earlier it tripped after installing Android Assistant and Android System Info. Before that it tripped when I added the Amazon shopping, Student, MP3, and Pricewatch apps.
Why so many apps? Just testing some out to see what I like and don't like.
So, is my phone hosed or salvageable? The hardware has been great so far, just software issues under Froyo and I suspect the same with Gingerbread.
And is anyone else able to repeat this issue on their phone?
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Thank you Lufc, I totally spaced when I posted it in the wrong area.
Troubleshooting further (by selectively adding the 50 free apps I own from Amazon), the hotboots do indeed seem to be related to having around 200 apps installed.
Could anyone else please test this theory out and confirm/refute them from your experience?
Haha, I can't even think of having that many apps. what's the point of you installing that many? Do you actually use all of them?
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Nah, I really don't use most of them. I just want to see what is out there and test stuff out. Since uninstalling quite a few, I've been stable. Shame I have to uninstall anything when I still have plenty of storage and ram.
I'm having similar problems. Have around 200 apps I like. Not everyday, but occassional. In trying to build an EP4D system using stock or Infinity everything goes bad each time I exceed some fairly large number of app installs. The system is then too unstable to fix and I end up rebuilding.....
I have 195 apps on top of stock ep4d deodexed/debloated that I use a fair bit. I have been totally stable. I should admit that I froze a bunch of stock BS though.
Your hardware is probably fine. You could try stability test from the Market to see if you're hardware seems stable. I personally haven't had any problems with app-whoring so far.
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It's hard to get a total number of apps, but counting the bloatware and the number of icons under apps gives me a good approximation. I've been trying and testing, and each time the phone is perfectly fine and stable up until around the 200 mark. Odd that I see this under Gingerbread, but never under Froyo. I wonder if Gingerbread has some little known bug that we are hitting when run on our hardware.
I bet you something is borked that that is unrelated to actual number of apps.
What I would do is:
Install Titanium Backup.
Backup the apps you want. Don't backup stuff like that's included in your ROM of choice like Gmail since you can update that via Market. Just backup the stuff you know is not already installed and that you will want.
One thing that auto-updates no matter what I seem to do on stock/deoxed EP4D is Google books.
When you get all your backups then go ahead and nuke your phone. I suggest using CWM 4.0.1.4 to create a backup image in case you need to restore without having to set up your system.
Install whatever ROM/kernel/etc. you want.
Get Root.
Install Titanium Backup.
After everthing is booted, I usually let the Market update and let the couple few apps that the Market wants to update download.
When you are ready, run a Batch operation with Titanium Backup to restore all your apps. Its your choice whether you want to restore data as well.
Generally, I restore app + data because few of my apps have trouble restoring the data.
Run all your apps to make sure they work. Clear data on apps that don't work.
I suggest clearing data on the Market after you get all your apps working.
Freeze the crap that you don't want running.
See what happens.
I kid you not, I have no nearly 0 problems restoring over 190 apps with a batch operation.
Earlier today my phone, after 2.5 hours of heavy use, started turning itself off within minutes of being booted. Swapped battery, cleared cache, played with wifi settings and 4g, nothing worked. Reset the phone and all is well. Decided to only load apps I actually use, and will follow the steps in the post above later tonight.
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I bet you something is borked that that is unrelated to actual number of apps.
What I would do is:
Install Titanium Backup.....
I kid you not, I have no nearly 0 problems restoring over 190 apps with a batch operation.
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Not sure if it's related to number of apps or size of installed apps, but this is a real thing on EP4D. i'm having it happen on Stock, Debloated and Infinity. It occurs at just over 200 apps. Phone works great until one too many batch restores of 5-6 apps and then it will start hotbooting and become uncontrollable. Only thing to do is reinstall. Done it about 5 times now.
In order to get to 200 or so apps (at least the 200 I want), I always end up having to do some Apps2SD movements for Plants vs. Zombies, etc. I actually think the problem is related to that because I installed around 175, dropped all games (which is all I will move to SD) and then batch restored another couple of dozen and it appeared stable for as long as I left it.
Gonna go back, install debloated from scratch and install only what I gotta have. Just tired of messing with it.
I rooted and restored only the bare minimum of what I use, plus a few games. I just don't want to mess with it anymore. I did use Tom's guide to pull off some bloatware (backed up first) and will just leave the phone alone for now. I lose too many hours tweaking every damn program each time, logging in and tweaking settings lost its fun the 5th time I restored.
Applications now listed exactly 100 apps, and I don't want to fight with it anymore. At least not for now.
Kimmie, who thought I had broke it when I rooted last night and did not have data. Glad to see Verizon had a 12 hour or so outage then, and that my phone is fine.
I'm now at about 198 or 199 apps that I installed on EP4D deodexed/deloated using batch (app+data) on Titanium Backup and it works perfect.
Yikes, I wonder if a few more apps is going to put me over the edge.
In this case, I'm thinking you should get some logcats and see if anyone can give you any hints- unfortunately, I don't have much experience with reading logcats, but its worth a shot.
Again, don't know if it's exact number or some combo with how much has been moved to SD. Here's an AppBrain list of what I currently have working. I didn't look so I hope there's nothing TOO embarrassing in there .
I also own an Asus Transformer and here's the AppBrain list of what is on that machine. Obviously I'm basically just trying to make the two match up so I can do whatever I want regardless of which device I have with me.
Somewhere between the two lists is where I start getting the hot loops right after the machine gets to the desktop on a powerup.
For me it is the total number of apps, and not related to moving to SD. I tested this with smaller file size apps as our internal rom is gimped at barely over 1gb. I have Amazon's free app of the day to thank for a wide selection of apps to test.
Think it could be related to our CPU?
I've been looking at Android m since it came out.
However my oem will not be supporting the majority of my devices
(That's you Samsung 2 year support has me thinking of never buying your product new again).(Not that many others are much better).
So with the bugs that are ever present in custom Android roms and the developer never ending rush to the next update while the last aosp is not retail stable on most devices(come on Google wait two years and get the base or rock solid already before messing yet again with things).(I understand developers want to play with new features and new devices, but so many people have a 2 y old very capable device that just needs security updates). I have been reluctant to update from 4.4 that most of my devices run solid on.
How much more security has Android m brought to the table?
Is the permission manager worth the update from 4.4 or 5.1 ?
With all the new apps supporting permission denial without crashing going benefit the older os with permission blockers or xprivacy running?
Is the permission paranoid user better off waiting until the last minute to update to miss the worst of the bugs left to squash or just jump in now and live with them?
What is your opinion?
Nope, the permission manager isn't worth the update.
System apps crash when you restrict them too much, even if you restrict permissions they don't need to work properly, which wasn't the case in pre Marsh Mellow ROMs.
Oh well, they crash if you restrict them through the built-in permission management system bla bla, but they probably won't if you restrict them with third part apps...
Plus, at least on the phone I'm currently working on (but I guess it must be the same on all Mesh Mallow phones), the permission system became very dishonest, to say the least.
When you install a new app you don't see all the permissions you are about to grant but only the categories (remember the last changes in the play sore?), which tricks you into wrongly believing that the app doesn't have too many perms. Once installed you can't review neither the permissions nor the categories, pfuut, gone with the wind...
All this "security" hype about Ma Shallow isn't really about security but about making you feel that thanks to google and its well known abnegation you are secure and that you don't need anything more to protect you further.
There's nothing worse than a false sense of security...
What else to say?
The auto start manager, well done, except that third part apps offered it since the days of ICS, if not GB, and that a script can take care of that stuff without even installing anything.
All in all if security is your thing don't bother, moreover than xposed doesn't work on some Mesh Hollow ROM, leaving you without any other alternatives but to secure your ROM on your own.
It's of course doable if you know how, but it'll take time and a lot of decompilation/recompilation/testing.
New features?
Boah, 2-3 gimmicks as usual, fancy colors animations widgets I don't know what bling bling yo yo, not worth the money unless you really need a new phone.
Security patches?
Boah again, they made everybody paranoid with stagefright and the like but hey, do you really think you'll get hit?
What are the chances, unless you download cracked apps or are naive enough to let anyone touch your phone without the screenlock on?
I'd say more or less the same than meeting Santa Claus in person, do you believe in Santa?
I personally don't but still, those vulnerabilities are good for business, it makes the Santa crowd buy newer and more "secure" phones, cool...
Here Are The 3 Reasons Why Your Phone Slows Down Over Time
Today almost everyone holds an Android smartphone. If we talk about an Android operating system, it is now powering the majority of smartphone nowadays. On Android, we keep on installing different apps and games.
However, after six months of heavy usage, a loss of performance is spotted in every device running on any version of Android. Today we will not only talk about Android because the issue is present on iOS too. Users on both sides complain about their phones just aren’t as fast as they once were.
There are many potential causes, which makes our smartphones to slow down after several months. So, in this post, we are going to describe 5 common reasons which cause our phone to slow down after few months of usage.
1. The OS Upgrades
Just remember, when you first bought your device, it might be running Android KitKat or iOS 7 that time. Both iOS 7 and Android KitKat were launched in the year 2013. Well, these upgrades are released with a certain set of hardware specs in thought.
If we take a look at the current year, hardware specifications have drastically updated. Many features have been added in both iOS and Android. However, these features are made with newer hardware specs in mind. So, if you are running the newer version of any operating system in an outdated phone then this can slow down your phone in no-time.
However, these upgrades are hard to ignore, so minor updates are okay, but if you are planning to jump from Android KitKat to Nougat then be ready to face the difficulties.
2. App Updates
As we already mentioned, we keep on trying new apps and games in our Android and iOS devices. The so-called ‘lightweight’ apps that you install can be transformed to ‘heavyweight’ over the time. The main reason behind this is app updates. Developers are constantly pushing updates, every new update brings new features, which ends up eating lots of RAM and CPU.
The best thing you can do is to once you feel the app is bloated, replace it with another light weight app.
3. Apps Running On The Background
Other crucial things that we neglect are the background apps. Believe me or not, you have almost 80% more apps installed on your devices than when you first got it. Just go to phone’s settings and have a brief look at all of your downloaded apps. Users might think that they have installed 10-15 apps, but are often shocked to see closer to 40-50.
The problem arises when some apps keep running in the background without activating it. There are many apps like email services, messaging apps which are always active. These apps use CPU and RAM, which impacts your phone’s performance.
So, make sure to disable or uninstall the apps which consume lots of RAM and CPU, switch to static wallpaper and say goodbye to live wallpapers.
Exodus, a popular, albeit closed-source, crypto wallet app recently stopped working on my device. After a few days of back-and-forth troubleshooting via support, they somehow realized that my device is both rooted and running a custom, open source, community-supported ROM. They told me this was no longer allowed because it is far less secure than running the proprietary ROM. I countered with both personal testimony (back when I had a Blu phone, and a year later they got kicked off Amazon due to spyware streaming customer data out without consent) and common fact that OEM ROMs are almost always packed full of bloatware and spyware. I countered that installing a reputable open source ROM with only those apps I want and need is better. I argued that root gives me the ability to use AFWall to block outbound access to apps that I don't want having having access to the Internet without my permission. I could have argue that continuing to use a 1-2 year old phone that no longer receives security updates when I could use an open source ROM that does is better. I also provided a few public articles showing how frequently apps from the Play Store and other "OEM" stores are caught abusing their users' trust and performing malicious action. My point was that it's not correct to just automatically assume that having root and using a non-OEM ROM is less secure. That's a falsehood. But that said, I am interested to know what the XDA community thinks about that. And if the XDA community has any facts about custom, open source, community-supported ROMs being more secure than OEM ROMs, I am interested to further arm myself. And of course, I am completely willing to be instructed by the XDA community that indeed Exodus is right and using a custom ROM and having a rooted phone is completely, inherently, automatically more insecure than using an OEM ROM full of bloatware and spyware, not having root so that any rag-tag app can stream data back to home base, and falling behind with security patches because the vendor is either too slow to release or decides my device is no longer worth supporting.
You can't blame them for not troubleshooting unknown firmware. You changed the playing field.
Less mainstream use and support* is one of the disadvantages of custom roms and rooting.
I run stock and use other methods to kill bloatware. Zero brick risk, little down time and they run well.
I'm not saying don't root etc... but you knew the job was dangerous when you took it.
*this can have potentially far reaching and multifaceted implication$
@blackhawk I'm pretty sure it wasn't broken on my phone. One day I opened the app and it said I needed to update to continue using it. So I thought maybe the app just had failed to automatically update from the Play Store. But shortly thereafter I found it wouldn't update. That led to opening support ticket with them which eventually led to them saying it no longer works on rooted devices. Their argument was that they were attempting to protect me. My rebuttal was that I don't want their protection, I want my freedom back. They should focus on making their app as secure as possible and then, if they discover I am running it on a rooted phone, then give me a warning box and force me to accept it but don't just take away my freedom.
The irony of their stance is that they still provide the Linux program. And who doesn't have root access on their Linux computer? Or their Mac or Windows computer, for that matter? I can completely understand if they don't wish to troubleshoot the installation of the Debian package or even the use of the zip on every Linux version out there. I wouldn't either! But that's completely different than saying, "Oh, you have root access to your Linux/Mac/Windows computer? We can't let you use our program anymore." That makes zero sense, and it's the same nonsensical argument they are making for rooted Android phones.
I run stock N10+'s because they're easier to troubleshoot, maintain and it doesn't trip the Knox efuse. I have to add a package disabler and do some optimizing but it's child's play for me to do it at this point.
Unfortunately if you root you're going to have to suck it up and do the work needed to optimize it.
Same thing I do with stock but with more tools at your disposal... after the learning curve.
It's this learning curve, the chance of bricking and the damage that can be inadvertently done to the OS with no access restrictions are some of the downsides. Rooting takes time to learn and perfect. With unlimited power, blah, blah, blah.
I rather just do basic infrequent troubleshooting and have fun... my current load is over 1.5 yo, still fast and stable.
I don't update the firmware because that breaks things. No updates needed once you optimize it and find any needed work arounds... it's good to go. Anything from Pie up is pretty secure; they have some vulnerabilities but in practice this isn't an issue... unless you do something stupid.