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OTA sideload vs factory image

Noob question, but what is the difference between side loading the OTA and downloading the factory image ? Generally whenever a new version is online for the factory images, I have downloaded then flashed via fastboot. If I have stock recovery (I don't right now), but if I did, I put the OTA zip in the internal storage then use the stock recovery to side load OTA ?
Are these basically doing the same thing ?

mikeprius said:
Noob question, but what is the difference between side loading the OTA and downloading the factory image ? Generally whenever a new version is online for the factory images, I have downloaded then flashed via fastboot. If I have stock recovery (I don't right now), but if I did, I put the OTA zip in the internal storage then use the stock recovery to side load OTA ?
Are these basically doing the same thing ?
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The factory image is a full image, where as OTA is the update to the current version your phone already has and OTAs are normally smaller in size. I personally would use factory image if I want to flash the whole thing because of some issues that the phone may have. If you don't have any issues, then you could wait for an OTA update or side load it, as you mentioned in your example.

Charkatak said:
The factory image is a full image, where as OTA is the update to the current version your phone already has and OTAs are normally smaller in size. I personally would use factory image if I want to flash the whole thing because of some issues that the phone may have. If you don't have any issues, then you could wait for an OTA update or side load it, as you mentioned in your example.
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If I were to sideload with TWRP will my data be wiped and do I need to reflash TWRP ? I've never done a ADB sideload before I've always just reloaded the factory image so I'm not familiar with the process

I got my Nexus 5X to properly sideload, but I keep having problems with the Pixel. Keeps saying error no devices/emulator found. Fastboot and adb reboot bootloader commands work on my phone.
Using twrp rc1 adb sideload feature. It just occurred to me it may be a twrp issue.

Bootloader Unlock and OTA

I'm thinking about unlocking my bootloader (well I will eventually, it just depends on how long I can last without root), but I've forgotten, is it still possible to take OTA's after you unlock your bootloader?
Thanks

Probably not.

Why shouldn't he be able to. Up until now the last four HTC devices M7, M8, M9, and 10 all received OTA updates even though the bootloader has been unlocked. There's just one new thing which startet with the change to Block-Based-OTA updates. An OTA won't install as soon as you change anything on the system partition (meaning that even mounting r/w in TWRP causes this!), due to a change in its md5 checksum.

5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Why shouldn't he be able to. Up until now the last four HTC devices M7, M8, M9, and 10 all received OTA updates even though the bootloader has been unlocked. There's just one new thing which startet with the change to Block-Based-OTA updates. An OTA won't install as soon as you change anything on the system partition (meaning that even mounting r/w in TWRP causes this!), due to a change in its md5 checksum.
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Wait, so if I flash magisk, I won't be able to take OTA?
Dang. If I just flash the stock recovery, will everything work, or will I have to restore to stock and take the OTA, then re-root?

When you unlock, then flash TWRP, first thing you do is Keep System Read Only. Then make a backup of System Image, boot image. When its time for OTA. restore system image, boot img and flash stock recovery. Reboot and then take OTA. You can now fastboot boot TWRP from download mode to make a backup of stock recovery(before flashing TWRP).

schmeggy929 said:
When you unlock, then flash TWRP, first thing you do is Keep System Read Only. Then make a backup of System Image, boot image. When its time for OTA. restore system image, boot img and flash stock recovery. Reboot and then take OTA. You can now fastboot boot TWRP from download mode to make a backup of stock recovery(before flashing TWRP).
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Since TWRP can flash OTAs (firmware part of OTAs needs to be flashed separately via fastboot), restoring (and backing up) stock recovery is not mandatory.

Do you think Sunshine will come to U 11 or it's un-crackable?

schmeggy929 said:
When you unlock, then flash TWRP, first thing you do is Keep System Read Only. Then make a backup of System Image, boot image. When its time for OTA. restore system image, boot img and flash stock recovery. Reboot and then take OTA. You can now fastboot boot TWRP from download mode to make a backup of stock recovery(before flashing TWRP).
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Thanks! For some reason though, when I tried to fastboot boot twrp, it would flash successfully but hang on the rebooting part. I have no idea what was going on. Pretty frustrating.

No laughing now- I'm on an old Galaxy s4 & U11 seems like my next device, VZW is too much & Sprint has a 1yr free program. I have rooted B4, & used Odin, but I got into other things & I don't recall how Fastbooting works… PLS help the once again Fastbooy noob & explain. Since the Sprint program requires you bring an already-paid-for 'bring your own phone' this is a BIG up front investment & I can't imagine going w/out Root/TitaniumBU/ or twrp to save images to pull my coals out of potential fires… TIA, oldwolf

IMHO, fastboot commands and such to get TWRP installed is waaaaaaay easier and faster than ODIN. I actually try every few phone generations to use a samsung device, but the pains of doing updates and such through odin isn't worth it to me. Pretty much you can unlock your phone through HTC.dev and then with the bootloader unlocked you can load your own recovery like TWRP. they walk you through all the steps and everything.

tacotoy, thanks for the reply; but what constitutes a FB command, & fm what program & in what status of android boot is it run? tia, oldwolf

Yeah, lost... New VZW OTA out today, but since I'm unlocked with TWRP, won't install. Trying to find the zip in the cache so that TWRP can install it, no joy so far, re-reading the TWRP thread.
Edit: Found path: /data/data/com.htc.updater/files/OTA_OCEAN_WHL_N71_SENSE90GP_NA_Gen_Unlock_1.11.617.4-1.11.617.3_R2_release_.zip
Fails, says system modified, even after restore to stock.

deafmetal1 said:
Yeah, lost... New VZW OTA out today, but since I'm unlocked with TWRP, won't install. Trying to find the zip in the cache so that TWRP can install it, no joy so far, re-reading the TWRP thread.
Edit: Found path: /data/data/com.htc.updater/files/OTA_OCEAN_WHL_N71_SENSE90GP_NA_Gen_Unlock_1.11.617.4-1.11.617.3_R2_release_.zip
Fails, says system modified, even after restore to stock.
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Did you check to keep system read only before restoring the backup?

oldwolf613 said:
tacotoy, thanks for the reply; but what constitutes a FB command, & fm what program & in what status of android boot is it run? tia, oldwolf
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just google Minimal ADB and Fastboot. Download the lastest and place all your zips and images in that folder. It is a standalone program easy and pain free.

Schmeggy929, thanks, that's easy enuf, but since this is gonna be (hopefully) my 'bring your phone'
to Sprint to get the free years worth of service- it's gotta be bought outright & while it's a good investment, I cannot afford to brick it & I'd rather look like a noob again than NOT ask…

I just used the latest RUU that OBJ posted in the Collection Post. This time I'll make sure to do the initial TWRP recovery in read-only... HTC noob...

Need help updating from rooted 5.1.1

I have a Shield Tablet (post battery fire exchange) and I would like to update it to the newest firmware/os... It is currently rooted, running BitO-Kernel, and stock nvidia rom. I did all the rooting and flashing on this tablet originally, but I never kept it up to date with newer updates. I heard on this forum awhile back that it's not just as simple as flashing a new rom, something about having to flash some other system stuff first or some partition or something. Basically I'm looking for a guide on how to update a Shield Tablet from rooted 5.1.1 to the newest OS version avalible. I tried sreaching the forum, but I couldn't find what I was looking for (maybe I'm not using the right search keyworks).

Agreed, that it is typically best to keep devices updated with the whole OTA update, which include firmware, modems, and whatever other partitions (not always flashed with custom ROMs). Although I'm not sure if there is much changed in those partitions between 5.1.s and 5.2.
That is the original Shield tablet (not the K1) right?
If so, I think you can just download the full OTA zip, and flash in TWRP: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72501806&postcount=35
Then root (flash Magisk or SuperSU) right away before rebooting, if you want to keep TWRP. If you don't root, the update will cause TWRP to be replaced with stock recovery.
Another option, if you made a backup of the stock ROM before installing custom ROM (I suggest always doing that) you can restore it, and should get the OTA notification. Then you should be able to just download and update that way. Again, root before rebooting, if you want to retain TWRP.
If all the above fail, you can download the recovery OS, and flash all the components using fastboot, as described in the supplied instructions:
https://developer.nvidia.com/gameworksdownload#?search=SHIELD%20Tablet%20wifi&tx=$additional,shield

redpoint73 said:
Agreed, that it is typically best to keep devices updated with the whole OTA update, which include firmware, modems, and whatever other partitions (not always flashed with custom ROMs). Although I'm not sure if there is much changed in those partitions between 5.1.s and 5.2.
That is the original Shield tablet (not the K1) right?
If so, I think you can just download the full OTA zip, and flash in TWRP: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=72501806&postcount=35
Then root (flash Magisk or SuperSU) right away before rebooting, if you want to keep TWRP. If you don't root, the update will cause TWRP to be replaced with stock recovery.
Another option, if you made a backup of the stock ROM before installing custom ROM (I suggest always doing that) you can restore it, and should get the OTA notification. Then you should be able to just download and update that way. Again, root before rebooting, if you want to retain TWRP.
If all the above fail, you can download the recovery OS, and flash all the components using fastboot, as described in the supplied instructions:
https://developer.nvidia.com/gameworksdownload#?search=SHIELD Tablet wifi&tx=$additional,shield
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Thanks I appreciate the help! Yes it's an original tablet (not the k1). It's currently rooted with the Bit-O kernel running over the stock Nvidia 5.1.1 os (also has twrp on it as well). I'd like to keep root. I'll have to do some more search to see if I can find the old thread where I was told it's more difficult the a simple flash, I remember it was explained fairly clearly, I just can remember exactly what that was lol.
EDIT: found the original post where I was asking about this from last year, the issue revolves around the Staging Blob which I've never worked with before and know nothing about it (usually just ROMs and kernel flashes and occasionally radio images).
https://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/help/how-update-rooted-shield-tablet-to-t3355436

bluegizmo83 said:
It's currently rooted with the Bit-O kernel running over the stock Nvidia 5.1.1 os (also has twrp on it as well). I'd like to keep root.
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You won't be able to update the OS and keep root. Which is pretty typical when updating most Android devices (root will be lost). But for the 1st and 2nd options I gave (flashing the OTA zips in TWRP), it's easy to just root the device again. Just have your preferred root zip (Magisk or SuperSU) on the phone when you update. Then after the update (before rebooting to OS) while still in TWRP, just flash the root zip. Then you will be rooted, and TWRP will not be wiped (replaced by stock recovery).
3rd option (flash Recoveyr OS in fastboot), getting root again is a few more steps, but still not that hard. After flashing all the components, reboot and verify everything is working. Then go to fastboot again, flash TWRP. Then boot into TWRP, and flash the root file (Magisk or SuperSU).
For any of the options 1-3, if you want to then flash your custom kernel again after rooting, you are free to do so. I'd probably verify the stock OS is working. Then boot to TWRP, make a backup of the stock kernel & ROM, then flash your desired kernel.
bluegizmo83 said:
I'll have to do some more search to see if I can find the old thread where I was told it's more difficult the a simple flash, I remember it was explained fairly clearly, I just can remember exactly what that was lol.
EDIT: found the original post where I was asking about this from last year, the issue revolves around the Staging Blob which I've never worked with before and know nothing about it (usually just ROMs and kernel flashes and occasionally radio images).
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On the 3rd option (flash Recovery OS in fastboot), if you go to the link then click the desired version 5.2, it will expand, and you will see Downloads for the Windows or Linux files, and instructions below that. Click on "instructions" and you will see there are steps to extraxt various components, than flash each one individually using fastboot:
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
fastboot flash boot boot.img
fastboot flash system system.img
fastboot flash userdata userdata.img
fastboot flash staging blob
If you do the other methods (flash OTA zip with TWRP) I believe all these components are included, and just flash automatically.

redpoint73 said:
You won't be able to update the OS and keep root. Which is pretty typical when updating most Android devices (root will be lost). But for the 1st and 2nd options I gave (flashing the OTA zips in TWRP), it's easy to just root the device again. Just have your preferred root zip (Magisk or SuperSU) on the phone when you update. Then after the update (before rebooting to OS) while still in TWRP, just flash the root zip. Then you will be rooted, and TWRP will not be wiped (replaced by stock recovery).
3rd option (flash Recoveyr OS in fastboot), getting root again is a few more steps, but still not that hard. After flashing all the components, reboot and verify everything is working. Then go to fastboot again, flash TWRP. Then boot into TWRP, and flash the root file (Magisk or SuperSU).
For any of the options 1-3, if you want to then flash your custom kernel again after rooting, you are free to do so. I'd probably verify the stock OS is working. Then boot to TWRP, make a backup of the stock kernel & ROM, then flash your desired kernel.
On the 3rd option (flash Recovery OS in fastboot), if you go to the link then click the desired version 5.2, it will expand, and you will see Downloads for the Windows or Linux files, and instructions below that. Click on "instructions" and you will see there are steps to extraxt various components, than flash each one individually using fastboot:
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
fastboot flash boot boot.img
fastboot flash system system.img
fastboot flash userdata userdata.img
fastboot flash staging blob
If you do the other methods (flash OTA zip with TWRP) I believe all these components are included, and just flash automatically.
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Oh ok thanks! I'll definitely try to flash that 5.2 OTA zip from twrp and see if that works. After that, I should be able to flash any current update (like 6.0) also, correct? And I assume I need to flash 5.2 first before flashing 6.0 (or whatever the most current shield tablet OTA is), correct?

bluegizmo83 said:
Oh ok thanks! I'll definitely try to flash that 5.2 OTA zip from twrp and see if that works.
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Pretty sure it's how I updated to 5.2 (then rooted), and probably the easiest of the options. It's been a busy last couple months, so it's all a little blurry!
bluegizmo83 said:
After that, I should be able to flash any current update (like 6.0) also, correct?
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Correct.
bluegizmo83 said:
And I assume I need to flash 5.2 first before flashing 6.0 (or whatever the most current shield tablet OTA is), correct?
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Not 100% sure. It's a full OTA zip, not an incremental update. So in those cases (full OTA) it may not need the preceding update installed. But again, I'm not sure.

redpoint73 said:
Pretty sure it's how I updated to 5.2 (then rooted), and probably the easiest of the options. It's been a busy last couple months, so it's all a little blurry!.
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Ok thanks again, I appreciate all the help! One last question I promise lol. Do I need to wipe anything in twrp before I flash an OTA zip? In the past I've been told wipes are not required for incremental updates (like 5.0 to 5.1 to 5.2) but they are usually recommended for larger os revisions like 5.0 to 6.0, does that still hold true?

bluegizmo83 said:
One last question I promise lol. Do I need to wipe anything in twrp before I flash an OTA zip? In the past I've been told wipes are not required for incremental updates (like 5.0 to 5.1 to 5.2) but they are usually recommended for larger os revisions like 5.0 to 6.0, does that still hold true?
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I would say that is still true. Don't think you need to wipe anything (except cache and Dalvik - which I usually wipe when flashing anything), and I don't think I did either. Make a TWRP backup, in case anything goes wrong, as well as any other backups of apps, data, etc. (such as Titanium)..
Ask all the questions you like. It's fun to help, although I may not necessarily always know the answer!

redpoint73 said:
I would say that is still true. Don't think you need to wipe anything (except cache and Dalvik - which I usually wipe when flashing anything), and I don't think I did either. Make a TWRP backup, in case anything goes wrong, as well as any other backups of apps, data, etc. (such as Titanium)..
Ask all the questions you like. It's fun to help, although I may not necessarily always know the answer!
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Ok thanks. I did just think of one more question, its not 100% related to flashing though... On my shield tablet, I have a 128gb SDcard in it, and I use Folder Mount to move all my large apps and games to the SDcard. Do these backup through TWRP if I check every box (I don't think it does cause there isn't a check box to backup the sdcard)? Would titanium backup work better to backup and restore these large apps & games that were moved with Folder Mount?

bluegizmo83 said:
Ok thanks. I did just think of one more question, its not 100% related to flashing though... On my shield tablet, I have a 128gb SDcard in it, and I use Folder Mount to move all my large apps and games to the SDcard. Do these backup through TWRP if I check every box (I don't think it does cause there isn't a check box to backup the sdcard)? Would titanium backup work better to backup and restore these large apps & games that were moved with Folder Mount?
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You can't backup internal storage or SD card in TWRP.
I don't personally use anything like Folder Mount. I would think as long as the folders are where they are supposed to be, and the data for Folder Mount is preserved/migrated properly, then it will all still work as it did before the update. If you are really paranoid, you can make a copy of the folders on your SD card to your computer as a "backup".

redpoint73 said:
You can't backup internal storage or SD card in TWRP.
I don't personally use anything like Folder Mount. I would think as long as the folders are where they are supposed to be, and the data for Folder Mount is preserved/migrated properly, then it will all still work as it did before the update. If you are really paranoid, you can make a copy of the folders on your SD card to your computer as a "backup".
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I just noticed on that download link you posted earlier, that Nvidia lists the newest update as 5.2.0, but that is actually Android os version 7.0. Earlier when I said on was on 5.1.1 I meant Android os 5.1.1 (as in Lollipop), not shield os version 5.1 (which is Nougat). Sorry if that wasn't clear in the beginning. Does that effect any of your original advise? Just thought I should double-check that.

bluegizmo83 said:
I just noticed on that download link you posted earlier, that Nvidia lists the newest update as 5.2.0, but that is actually Android os version 7.0. Earlier when I said on was on 5.1.1 I meant Android os 5.1.1 (as in Lollipop), not shield os version 5.1 (which is Nougat). Sorry if that wasn't clear in the beginning. Does that effect any of your original advise? Just thought I should double-check that.
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I'm not sure if it matters with the OTA. My feeling is, that it won't matter, and it will still install.
My guess is that in the worst case, the OTA fails, and you have to resort to flashing the recovery OS version.

LineageOS 14.1 on Nokia 3?

Dear folks,
first of all let me thank you for all the good work in here.
I’m quiet used to ADB, fastboot, unlocked bootloaders, TWRP, Custom Roms etc since I've been routing my HTCs for couple years by now.
The other day a friend of mine, owner of a Nokia 3, asked me, if I could possibly “ungoogle” his phone. My idea was it to clean-install LineageOS, since it comes without GApps in first place.
That being said I found some instructions on the internet how to do it – not here at xda though.
I. What I did at first:
I unlocked the bootloader, getting the “orange state”-warning.
I flashed TWRP, removed encryption and installed LineageOS.
Result: Nothing – device wouldn’t boot.
Then I thought I had to relock the bootloader, so that’s what I did and I got the “red state”-error. :angel:
So I ended up flashing original FW with OST. :good:
Ever since that, the bootloader had that “orange state”-warning, no matter what I tried. It is unlocked already. Even flashing the stock boot I found in here gave me that warning. Relocking bootloader fails. But I learned, that “orange state” is still OK. Is that true?
II. What I did next:
I considered if the bootloader is not the problem, maybe recovery is.
So from fastboot I booted TWRP.img, leaving the original recovery untouched, removed encryption and installed LineageOS.
Result: Nothing – device wouldn’t boot.
Since I didn’t really know what the problem was I ended up flashing original FW with OST.
III. What I did next:
I considered that recovery CAN’T be the problem, since it was untouched. Is that true?
So it had to be the bootloader.
I booted original FW, installed Magisk Manager, created a patched boot.
The I booted into TWRP, removed encryption, installed LineageOS, flashed the patched boot.
Result: Nothing - device wouldn’t boot.
Now here it could be the point that my “stock boot” could have been broken in first place already, since it had the “orange state” ever since (see I.) Could this be the problem? If yes, how could I overcome this issue? Flashing the stock boot from xda didn’t help (see also I.) Since I didn’t really know what the problem was I ended up flashing original FW with OST.
IV. What I did next:
I flashed TWRP with SP Flash (Thanks for the wonderful guide @SkaboXD) to keep my locked/untouched/whatever bootloader (again: bootloader here isn’t locked anymore, no chance for me to relock it).
Then I booted into TWRP, removed encryption, installed LineageOS.
Result: Nothing - device wouldn’t boot.
Since I didn’t really know what the problem was I ended up flashing original FW with OST.
Tu sum it up:
I am kind of proud to have reached one and the same goal over many different ways now
But I’ve spent hours of reading through the threads here and trying to find my way and nothing worked. I have never experienced problem like those with my HTCs and could need some serious help now, please.:fingers-crossed:
Q1: Is it even possible install LineageOS on a Nokia 3? That’s what I considered lately.
If yes: How? What am I doing wrong?
If no: What other options do I have to “ungoogle” the device? Root and manually remove all apps? I’m afraid, I won’t find all and that google is hidden somewhere else as well.
Thank you in advance!

wutzkman said:
Dear folks,
first of all let me thank you for all the good work in here.
I’m quiet used to ADB, fastboot, unlocked bootloaders, TWRP, Custom Roms etc since I've been routing my HTCs for couple years by now.
The other day a friend of mine, owner of a Nokia 3, asked me, if I could possibly “ungoogle” his phone. My idea was it to clean-install LineageOS, since it comes without GApps in first place.
That being said I found some instructions on the internet how to do it – not here at xda though.
I. What I did at first:
I unlocked the bootloader, getting the “orange state”-warning.
I flashed TWRP, removed encryption and installed LineageOS.
Result: Nothing – device wouldn’t boot.
Then I thought I had to relock the bootloader, so that’s what I did and I got the “red state”-error. :angel:
So I ended up flashing original FW with OST. :good:
Ever since that, the bootloader had that “orange state”-warning, no matter what I tried. It is unlocked already. Even flashing the stock boot I found in here gave me that warning. Relocking bootloader fails. But I learned, that “orange state” is still OK. Is that true?
II. What I did next:
I considered if the bootloader is not the problem, maybe recovery is.
So from fastboot I booted TWRP.img, leaving the original recovery untouched, removed encryption and installed LineageOS.
Result: Nothing – device wouldn’t boot.
Since I didn’t really know what the problem was I ended up flashing original FW with OST.
III. What I did next:
I considered that recovery CAN’T be the problem, since it was untouched. Is that true?
So it had to be the bootloader.
I booted original FW, installed Magisk Manager, created a patched boot.
The I booted into TWRP, removed encryption, installed LineageOS, flashed the patched boot.
Result: Nothing - device wouldn’t boot.
Now here it could be the point that my “stock boot” could have been broken in first place already, since it had the “orange state” ever since (see I.) Could this be the problem? If yes, how could I overcome this issue? Flashing the stock boot from xda didn’t help (see also I.) Since I didn’t really know what the problem was I ended up flashing original FW with OST.
IV. What I did next:
I flashed TWRP with SP Flash (Thanks for the wonderful guide @SkaboXD) to keep my locked/untouched/whatever bootloader (again: bootloader here isn’t locked anymore, no chance for me to relock it).
Then I booted into TWRP, removed encryption, installed LineageOS.
Result: Nothing - device wouldn’t boot.
Since I didn’t really know what the problem was I ended up flashing original FW with OST.
Tu sum it up:
I am kind of proud to have reached one and the same goal over many different ways now
But I’ve spent hours of reading through the threads here and trying to find my way and nothing worked. I have never experienced problem like those with my HTCs and could need some serious help now, please.:fingers-crossed:
Q1: Is it even possible install LineageOS on a Nokia 3? That’s what I considered lately.
If yes: How? What am I doing wrong?
If no: What other options do I have to “ungoogle” the device? Root and manually remove all apps? I’m afraid, I won’t find all and that google is hidden somewhere else as well.
Thank you in advance!
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no it's not possible currently, that ROM doesn't work. The only way is to manually remove apps. You have my thread about manually removing apps here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-3/how-to/guide-how-apps-uninstall-t3804425
he can also remove google keyboard if he don't like it, but first install 2nd keyboard then remove Gboard. Location: /system/app/LatinIME
Google Play Store: /system/priv-app/Phonesky
Google Play Services: /system/priv-app/GmsCore
There are also more Google stuff that i am not sure is it good to remove.
If i find a way to remove Google apps completely i will tell you. When i get Nokia 3 again, I will maybe make stock based ROM with debloated apps, build.prop tweaks (that actually work), volume steps mode (without Xposed and build.prop), advanced reboot option (not sure on this one), Vanced YouTube, odexed and many more...
Stay tuned.

SkaboXD said:
no it's not possible currently, that ROM doesn't work. The only way is to manually remove apps. You have my thread about manually removing apps here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-3/how-to/guide-how-apps-uninstall-t3804425
he can also remove google keyboard if he don't like it, but first install 2nd keyboard then remove Gboard. Location: /system/app/LatinIME
Google Play Store: /system/priv-app/Phonesky
Google Play Services: /system/priv-app/GmsCore
There are also more Google stuff that i am not sure is it good to remove.
If i find a way to remove Google apps completely i will tell you. When i get Nokia 3 again, I will maybe make stock based ROM with debloated apps, build.prop tweaks (that actually work), volume steps mode (without Xposed and build.prop), advanced reboot option (not sure on this one), Vanced YouTube, odexed and many more...
Stay tuned.
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Ok, then I wonder, why someone put instructions for the installation on the internet. What's wrong with people nowadays?
Anyways, thank you very much! At least I know, that I can stop my efforts at this point and it wasn't me being stupid :good:
I will stick to your guide. Does it matter, which version I use? 7.1.1? 8.0? 8.1? My plan now is to update to 8.1 since it comes with the highest security patches and then dig through the whole process of ungoogling the device.
Last one so far: Any idea how to get rid of that orange warning in the bootloader? It's not that big of a deal, but if there is a chance to get rid of it I'd be happy.
Your future plans for the Nokia 3 sound pretty awesome. Let me know when you're done - no pressure here.

wutzkman said:
Ok, then I wonder, why someone put instructions for the installation on the internet. What's wrong with people nowadays?
Anyways, thank you very much! At least I know, that I can stop my efforts at this point and it wasn't me being stupid :good:
I will stick to your guide. Does it matter, which version I use? 7.1.1? 8.0? 8.1? My plan now is to update to 8.1 since it comes with the highest security patches and then dig through the whole process of ungoogling the device.
Last one so far: Any idea how to get rid of that orange warning in the bootloader? It's not that big of a deal, but if there is a chance to get rid of it I'd be happy.
Your future plans for the Nokia 3 sound pretty awesome. Let me know when you're done - no pressure here.
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Yeah, i encountered this too when there was no bootloader unlock guides on xda, all were fake, that's why i first check xda before doing anything.
No it doesn't matter, i used Android 7.1.1 December 2017 Security Patch before i gave it to my brother.
No idea, i think we need to modify some partition like aboot and include some changes but not sure currently.
Tnx for support, i will open a thread where we can discuss about changes you want to see in stock modified rom and advices what else i can do.

SkaboXD said:
no it's not possible currently, that ROM doesn't work. The only way is to manually remove apps. You have my thread about manually removing apps here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-3/how-to/guide-how-apps-uninstall-t3804425
he can also remove google keyboard if he don't like it, but first install 2nd keyboard then remove Gboard. Location: /system/app/LatinIME
Google Play Store: /system/priv-app/Phonesky
Google Play Services: /system/priv-app/GmsCore
There are also more Google stuff that i am not sure is it good to remove.
If i find a way to remove Google apps completely i will tell you. When i get Nokia 3 again, I will maybe make stock based ROM with debloated apps, build.prop tweaks (that actually work), volume steps mode (without Xposed and build.prop), advanced reboot option (not sure on this one), Vanced YouTube, odexed and many more...
Stay tuned.
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better Build a rom based on oreo GO coz mt6737 is completely supported

tech2update said:
better Build a rom based on oreo GO coz mt6737 is completely supported
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not sure if i can, low ram property patch doesn't work when i tested last time, but i will check it again.

SkaboXD said:
Yeah, i encountered this too when there was no bootloader unlock guides on xda, all were fake, that's why i first check xda before doing anything.
No it doesn't matter, i used Android 7.1.1 December 2017 Security Patch before i gave it to my brother.
No idea, i think we need to modify some partition like aboot and include some changes but not sure currently.
Tnx for support, i will open a thread where we can discuss about changes you want to see in stock modified rom and advices what else i can do.
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Hi @SkaboXD,
to me it seems you have the most knowledge about rooting a Nokia 3 and always give solide answers, so I'd like to ask you directly.
After quite a while now I finally found the delight to spend more time with my friend's Nokia again. I flashed TWRP "successfully" but for whatever reason the phone won't load it. It also doesn't matter which TWRP-version I try. Not even booting directly into TWRP via fastboot boot xxx.img works. Every time I try it starts up stock 8.1. rom.
Any idea why this could be? What should I do? Reflashing the thing with OST again?
I tried that already^^ but when I started my OST-Tool it asked me for some weird login-data? It has never done that before.
Furthermore, once I get over that point, I plan to root it with SU, since I want to have a regular root, not a systemless one. Is there anything special to consider? Or will it be just the regular way
Install/Boot TWRP --> flash SU.zip --> boot device --> boom, you're done?
Sorry for the bother and thank you in advance!

wutzkman said:
Hi @SkaboXD,
to me it seems you have the most knowledge about rooting a Nokia 3 and always give solide answers, so I'd like to ask you directly.
After quite a while now I finally found the delight to spend more time with my friend's Nokia again. I flashed TWRP "successfully" but for whatever reason the phone won't load it. It also doesn't matter which TWRP-version I try. Not even booting directly into TWRP via fastboot boot xxx.img works. Every time I try it starts up stock 8.1. rom.
Any idea why this could be? What should I do? Reflashing the thing with OST again?
I tried that already^^ but when I started my OST-Tool it asked me for some weird login-data? It has never done that before.
Furthermore, once I get over that point, I plan to root it with SU, since I want to have a regular root, not a systemless one. Is there anything special to consider? Or will it be just the regular way
Install/Boot TWRP --> flash SU.zip --> boot device --> boom, you're done?
Sorry for the bother and thank you in advance!
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hmm, i think that our twrp is not compatible with 8.1 yet, the only method that could work is flashing Magisk (SuperSU won't work, it's depreciated) with my guide but I'm not sure does it work on 8.1, i didn't tested. It would be easier if i have phone, in this moment i can't help much.

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hmm, i think that our twrp is not compatible with 8.1 yet, the only method that could work is flashing Magisk (SuperSU won't work, it's depreciated) with my guide but I'm not sure does it work on 8.1, i didn't tested. It would be easier if i have phone, in this moment i can't help much.
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Ok just in general then: I don't give much about the version to be honest. After I fix my OST, I can reflash to 7.1, that's fine.
My thoughts now: Once I'm back to 7.1, I will boot into TWRP, do the whole magisk-magic with patched bootloader and so on...
I) I only know magisk as a systemless root, meaning I cannot delete unwanted apps for example. Is there any chance to get rid of them anyways?
II) I learned when keeping the original recovery, system OTAs are still possible. Will they destroy root?
If yes, I truly need to root at the latest system version possible. Will 8.0 work with root? Or just 7.1?

wutzkman said:
Ok just in general then: I don't give much about the version to be honest. After I fix my OST, I can reflash to 7.1, that's fine.
My thoughts now: Once I'm back to 7.1, I will boot into TWRP, do the whole magisk-magic with patched bootloader and so on...
I) I only know magisk as a systemless root, meaning I cannot delete unwanted apps for example. Is there any chance to get rid of them anyways?
II) I learned when keeping the original recovery, system OTAs are still possible. Will they destroy root?
If yes, I truly need to root at the latest system version possible. Will 8.0 work with root? Or just 7.1?
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1.yes you can with systemless root, maybe you got misinformed. In fact i deleted system apps with Magisk.
2.true, 8.0 work with root. OTA will destroy root but you can just flash it again.

wutzkman said:
Hi @SkaboXD,
to me it seems you have the most knowledge about rooting a Nokia 3 and always give solide answers, so I'd like to ask you directly.
After quite a while now I finally found the delight to spend more time with my friend's Nokia again. I flashed TWRP "successfully" but for whatever reason the phone won't load it. It also doesn't matter which TWRP-version I try. Not even booting directly into TWRP via fastboot boot xxx.img works. Every time I try it starts up stock 8.1. rom.
Any idea why this could be? What should I do? Reflashing the thing with OST again?
I tried that already^^ but when I started my OST-Tool it asked me for some weird login-data? It has never done that before.
Furthermore, once I get over that point, I plan to root it with SU, since I want to have a regular root, not a systemless one. Is there anything special to consider? Or will it be just the regular way
Install/Boot TWRP --> flash SU.zip --> boot device --> boom, you're done?
Sorry for the bother and thank you in advance!
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Yeah, last time I tried booting twrp I had that same problem, device wouldn't enter recovery
fastboot reboot recovery wouldn't work, eventually I flashed the recovery partition and on reboot held down the power and volume down buttons while the phone was plugged to my laptop before it finally entered recovery

redweaver said:
Yeah, last time I tried booting twrp I had that same problem, device wouldn't enter recovery
fastboot reboot recovery wouldn't work, eventually I flashed the recovery partition and on reboot held down the power and volume down buttons while the phone was plugged to my laptop before it finally entered recovery
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Did you flash recovery with SPFlash? Because I tried to flash it with fastboot, even before I tried to boot into it. Neither one worked out for me.
Which Android version are you at?

wutzkman said:
Did you flash recovery with SPFlash? Because I tried to flash it with fastboot, even before I tried to boot into it. Neither one worked out for me.
Which Android version are you at?
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No I used fastboot. Oreo 8.1. I think something happens during that orange state message that keeps fastboot from booting into recovery.
One other thing you can try - though it's a long route is:
1. first back up boot and recovery partitions with spflash - very important else your phone might not boot again
2. after backing up the partitions, flash the boot partition either with spflash or fastboot then reboot. You should boot into recovery.
3. The only problem is that you would need to manually patch the boot.img if you want to flash magisk (normally flashing magisk patches the boot partition from recovey) then flash the boot partition with the modified boot.img otherwise your phone won't boot anymore

redweaver said:
No I used fastboot. Oreo 8.1. I think something happens during that orange state message that keeps fastboot from booting into recovery.
One other thing you can try - though it's a long route is:
1. first back up boot and recovery partitions with spflash - very important else your phone might not boot again
2. after backing up the partitions, flash the boot partition either with spflash or fastboot then reboot. You should boot into recovery.
3. The only problem is that you would need to manually patch the boot.img if you want to flash magisk (normally flashing magisk patches the boot partition from recovey) then flash the boot partition with the modified boot.img otherwise your phone won't boot anymore
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I've wasted quite some time trying root 8.1 with magisk, but no matter what I did, I always ended up with a softbrick. So you got me hooked up here.
Just to make sure. I flashed FW NE1-215H-0-00WW-B02 (I believe) via OST. (Strange sideeffect here: After flashing the whole new FW with OST, the phone already knew my WiFi and already had Magisk installed, both still from my older installations. I wonder why this is and I have not found a way around it yet )
After the flashed with OST I had two system updates via OTA, so right now I am on Oreo 8.1 stock with security updates from Jan05 '19, in other words: the latest FW possible. What next? According to you:
1. I back up boot and recovery. You mean stock boot and stock recovery, right? I believe my boot is not stock anymore, since it already has that orange state warning. Any way around it? Flashing stock 7.1.1 boot didn'T do any better. Anyways, any other chance to back it up without SPFlash? I have no clue how to back up boot and recovery with SPFlash.
2. I need to flash boot? Not recovery? What should I flash boot with? And then I will have to boot into recovery, like TWRP for example? Any suggestions which one to take? Currently I want to use TWRP 3.2.1-0 by SkaboXD (https://mega.nz/#!qIhFkKia!AkUMvQJ0P...hlCNaZfy2gE4vE) And that is the point, that is not working for me. I cannot boot directly into it, nor can I boot it after flashing. What am I doing wrong?
3. I have to patch boot.img manually. But how can I patch it without having Magisk installed?
Thank you for your time!

wutzkman said:
I've wasted quite some time trying root 8.1 with magisk, but no matter what I did, I always ended up with a softbrick. So you got me hooked up here.
Just to make sure. I flashed FW NE1-215H-0-00WW-B02 (I believe) via OST. (Strange sideeffect here: After flashing the whole new FW with OST, the phone already knew my WiFi and already had Magisk installed, both still from my older installations. I wonder why this is and I have not found a way around it yet )
After the flashed with OST I had two system updates via OTA, so right now I am on Oreo 8.1 stock with security updates from Jan05 '19, in other words: the latest FW possible. What next? According to you:
1. I back up boot and recovery. You mean stock boot and stock recovery, right? I believe my boot is not stock anymore, since it already has that orange state warning. Any way around it? Flashing stock 7.1.1 boot didn'T do any better. Anyways, any other chance to back it up without SPFlash? I have no clue how to back up boot and recovery with SPFlash.
2. I need to flash boot? Not recovery? What should I flash boot with? And then I will have to boot into recovery, like TWRP for example? Any suggestions which one to take? Currently I want to use TWRP 3.2.1-0 by SkaboXD (https://mega.nz/#!qIhFkKia!AkUMvQJ0P...hlCNaZfy2gE4vE) And that is the point, that is not working for me. I cannot boot directly into it, nor can I boot it after flashing. What am I doing wrong?
3. I have to patch boot.img manually. But how can I patch it without having Magisk installed?
Thank you for your time!
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Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
1. Your boot and recovery are stock since its the system update that installs them
Orange state just means your bootloader had been tampered with, it has nothing to do with whether your boot or recovery images are stock
2. You flash the twrp image. Ideally you should flash recovery partition, but in this case flashing recovery isn't working for you. Basically your phone is refusing to boot into recovery. What this method does is force the phone to boot the twrp image
3. If you're not using magisk or su, may I ask why you want to enter recovery for in the first place?
As an aside I just realised that you can flash boot.img from twrp, so instead of manually patching the boot.img, just flash stock boot and then flash your SU or magisk or whatever it is that you want to flash from recovery

redweaver said:
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
1. Your boot and recovery are stock since its the system update that installs them
Orange state just means your bootloader had been tampered with, it has nothing to do with whether your boot or recovery images are stock
2. You flash the twrp image. Ideally you should flash recovery partition, but in this case flashing recovery isn't working for you. Basically your phone is refusing to boot into recovery. What this method does is force the phone to boot the twrp image
3. If you're not using magisk or su, may I ask why you want to enter recovery for in the first place?
As an aside I just realised that you can flash boot.img from twrp, so instead of manually patching the boot.img, just flash stock boot and then flash your SU or magisk or whatever it is that you want to flash from recovery
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Don't worry too much about it. We all have more important stuff than rooting a Nokia 3 to do.
1. Thank you! I've just learned something new :highfive:
2. I flash TWRP to boot partition? I did not think of that, but from what you say it definitely makes sense. And now I see, why I need a backup of my 8.1 stock boot and recovery. Perhaps, I should find out how to backup with SPFlash by now :fingers-crossed: . Too bad, there is no stable Oreo-FW out there. :angel:
3. I actually want to "ungoogle" the phone and therefore, I indeed want to use magisk. But I need TWRP in some way to install it.
Once I have TWRP at boot partition and loaded it, can I flash boot from there? In other words, can boot partition overwrite itself? I doubt it. How about:
a) I create a patched_boot.img right now manually with Magisk Manager, but without installing magisk zip.
b) I use fastboot to flash TWRP to boot and load into it
c) I install Magisk from there and reboot to fastboot again
c) I use fastboot to flash patched_boot.img and reboot the whole thing.
That could do the trick in theory, couldn't it?

wutzkman said:
Don't worry too much about it. We all have more important stuff than rooting a Nokia 3 to do.
1. Thank you! I've just learned something new :highfive:
2. I flash TWRP to boot partition? I did not think of that, but from what you say it definitely makes sense. And now I see, why I need a backup of my 8.1 stock boot and recovery. Perhaps, I should find out how to backup with SPFlash by now :fingers-crossed: . Too bad, there is no stable Oreo-FW out there. :angel:
3. I actually want to "ungoogle" the phone and therefore, I indeed want to use magisk. But I need TWRP in some way to install it.
Once I have TWRP at boot partition and loaded it, can I flash boot from there? In other words, can boot partition overwrite itself? I doubt it. How about:
a) I create a patched_boot.img right now manually with Magisk Manager, but without installing magisk zip.
b) I use fastboot to flash TWRP to boot and load into it
c) I install Magisk from there and reboot to fastboot again
c) I use fastboot to flash patched_boot.img and reboot the whole thing.
That could do the trick in theory, couldn't it?
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I figured the flashing to boot partition one time when my phone kept booting into recovery after a failed ota update. I checked the install script and found out that at one point the boot partition is flashed with the recovery image
You definitely need to backup your boot image unless you want to risk not being able to boot your phone anymore
Flashing boot should be possible, after all even when you boot into twrp you can flash another recovery, in fact when you do a twrp restore especially one that has a recovery backup, you usually overwrite even the partition that twrp is installed on. Your method too would work, but I think it's easier to just let magisk do the job, i've had too many failed attempts at patching a boot image

redweaver said:
I figured the flashing to boot partition one time when my phone kept booting into recovery after a failed ota update. I checked the install script and found out that at one point the boot partition is flashed with the recovery image
You definitely need to backup your boot image unless you want to risk not being able to boot your phone anymore
Flashing boot should be possible, after all even when you boot into twrp you can flash another recovery, in fact when you do a twrp restore especially one that has a recovery backup, you usually overwrite even the partition that twrp is installed on. Your method too would work, but I think it's easier to just let magisk do the job, i've had too many failed attempts at patching a boot image
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I MADE IT! :victory:
As it turned out I stumbled over quite some weird different problems:
a) As mentioned, I was not able to boot into TWRP recovery for whatever reason. So flashing TWRP to boot partition and therefore forcing the device to boot it did the trick. Thank you for this excellent advice!:good:
b) When Magisk tried to patch the boot image automatically, it always came up with a boot image of 0 kb in size. Of course, this could not work at all. So, manually creating a patched_boot.img and flashing it after the installation of magisk turned out to be the way to go.:laugh:
c) For whatever reason fastboot had quite some problems with my the device. It obviously kept producing strange, not reproducible errors. So I arranged myself with SPFlash and was good to go.
So now I have a full system backup for Oreo 8.1 stock and a full system backup for Oreo 8.1 with magisk root.:highfive:
I can work my way through ungoogling the device and whenever I screw up, I can simply recover with my backup
So Thank you @redweaver and also Thank you @SkaboXD for all the help!

So Yeah, The LineageOs Version Which is Based on Android Nougat is Very Near For Its Release! Compiled From Source With Nokia 3 Device Tree, Vendor & Also using Kernel Source!

Does anyone know if this build was ever released?
I am not experienced, so if I hit a wall would be stuck, but can follow directions and would like very much to install Lineage OS on my Nokia 3.

Running two different ROMS

Does anyone think it would be possible to run two separate ROMS on one device? I flashed an updated version of the current ROM I'm using (Havoc) and it didn't apply. I dirty flashed it twice then clean flashed it once and it still didn't apply. Later I clean flashed again but this time I manually clicked slot a/b to make sure it applies on both and then the update flashed properly this time.
From what I am assuming is when I tried to update without manually clicking each slot, the update applied on one slot but the phone rebooted on the other. That is what got me thinking, would it be possible to flash two separate ROMS on each slot?

whatthekj said:
Does anyone think it would be possible to run two separate ROMS on one device? I flashed an updated version of the current ROM I'm using (Havoc) and it didn't apply. I dirty flashed it twice then clean flashed it once and it still didn't apply. Later I clean flashed again but this time I manually clicked slot a/b to make sure it applies on both and then the update flashed properly this time.
From what I am assuming is when I tried to update without manually clicking each slot, the update applied on one slot but the phone rebooted on the other. That is what got me thinking, would it be possible to flash two separate ROMS on each slot?
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It doesn't work like that. The whole point of a/b is for seamless updates. If there is an error with the new slot, it reverts back to the old slot on boot. You didn't follow the flash instructions for the ROM. Flash it once, flash TWRP, reboot recovery, flash again and TWRP, reboot recovery.

Yeah if u try to boot back to other partition it will not load

mikex8593 said:
It doesn't work like that. The whole point of a/b is for seamless updates. If there is an error with the new slot, it reverts back to the old slot on boot. You didn't follow the flash instructions for the ROM. Flash it once, flash TWRP, reboot recovery, flash again and TWRP, reboot recovery.
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You're quick to assume. I followed the instructions and repeated them for every version and it's worked. It's the first time I've flashed that an update didn't take that's why I was curious.