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Been using the phone for 24 hours now, don't really see much point in the 120hz rate, only notice it slightly smoother if scrolling up and down quickly.
I guess it's more for games (?).
I will stick with 60hz and save some battery, seems fine to me.
The 120hz are very good, the problem is that there are so many lags and frame drop.
DonkeyKonk said:
Been using the phone for 24 hours now, don't really see much point in the 120hz rate, only notice it slightly smoother if scrolling up and down quickly.
I guess it's more for games (?).
I will stick with 60hz and save some battery, seems fine to me.
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same here, turned it off... 60hz is fine... 120hz impact on battery is not worth it
I'm more interested in its 240Hz touch sampling rate...
I think the screen response time is around 4-5ms which makes the image smear and not take advantage of the 120hz
I absolutely love the 120hz. I have the Mi 9T with 60hz here for comparison, and the handling on it feels just awful now. Terribly stuttery. I don't play any games, just scrolling all day long on Reddit.
No idea how you can still use 60hz voluntarily. I also get 10h SOT at 120hz, so battery is really not a problem.
Yes 60Hz / 120Hz on the daily usage is noticeable in things like scrolling and some animation, but I can live without it.
On gaming is a completely different story, is a lot noticeable. I'm really not a mobile gamer but installed the old Max Payne (one of my all time favourite games) for the dead times and it's a hell of a difference between 60Hz / 120Hz.
As a 60Hz PC peasant right now, I prefer look at Max Payne in my phone that at my PC! :laugh:
RememberCocaCola said:
I absolutely love the 120hz. I have the Mi 9T with 60hz here for comparison, and the handling on it feels just awful now. Terribly stuttery. I don't play any games, just scrolling all day long on Reddit.
No idea how you can still use 60hz voluntarily. I also get 10h SOT at 120hz, so battery is really not a problem.
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Same, the difference is night and day . I will never go back to 60hz after this.
True 60hz is horrible after experiencing 90/120 Hz I have a TCL 10 pro with a Amoled Display and comparing it with its 60hz the Poco X3 wins hands down for fluid even if it's not Amoled wish they had made it Amoled or Oled would of smashed any competition out of the water I would of even paid bit extra Lol , few things I've noticed are bit choppy is Google feed and play store when scrolling but prob don't support 120hz yet it's the same on my OnePlus 8 pro even
Hopefully future updates will iron out the niggles but for the price I'm blown away with it so far only gripe is LCD is so dated now but then for the price it's expected is a little bit of light bleed at the bottom of display anybody else notice this ??? Or am I just unfortunate and have a bad one if so I can get it replaced with Amazon ,[emoji106]
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Same problem here, the Google feed seems to run at 60hz. The drawer also semms to drop some frame, isn't amoot as the home page.
If you are interested, you can check the current refreshrate and fps in any app by going into the developer settings --> power monitor --> press "start" on Frame Rate Monitor Tools.
I always have to press the start button twice, then it shows the current fps in green. Current refreshrate is shown with blue background.
The adaptive refreshrate works good in my opinion, e.g. in Youtube it quickly jumps down to 30hz / 60hz depending on the type of video.
Thx for the monitor tip!
You are correct with YouTube running on 60Hz.
But it is strange that the poco launcher is constantly running on 120fps without touching the screen.
I switched to nova launcher. Same results
They haven't implemented it very well. It felt better on the realme 6 and x50. The recents and Google page feels like 60
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developer settings --> power monitor --> press "start" on Frame Rate Monitor Tools.
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Mario Kart average was about 115fps, menus locked at 30
For the ammount of battery that 120hz chugs it's not worth it for me
I've also tried with this tool, and i've seen major frame drop in the home screen, like 115 to 100 is a second, and thats the moments you can see the stutter. The multitask menu runs at 90hz, and youtube and google discover at 60. But there is an issue, this phone never reach the 120hz, except when in idle, and this frame variations make the user experience way "laggy": it would be a good idea to lock the fps at 100hz, but very stable, than a continously dropping and false 120hz.
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I've also tried with this tool, and i've seen major frame drop in the home screen, like 115 to 100 is a second, and thats the moments you can see the stutter. The multitask menu runs at 90hz, and youtube and google discover at 60. But there is an issue, this phone never reach the 120hz, except when in idle, and this frame variations make the user experience way "laggy": it would be a good idea to lock the fps at 100hz, but very stable, than a continously dropping and false 120hz.
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Is there a method to lock the refresh rate?
Actually no.
https://youtu.be/JZNnB3JYhNA
This guy seems to have a method to lock the rate at 120hz, on all apps untill a phone is rebooted.... have tried yet
I can't see 120Hz Slow, unrealistic screen. HDR looks like old display. Whit yellowish, green photos.
Came across this Note 20 Ultra thread for a secret 96Hz mode:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...es/note-20-ultra-secret-96hz-display-t4149657
Downloaded the Labs app from the OP and it's working perfectly. Not noticing a significant difference in smoothness and after a full charge cycle my active drain is down about 30% (ymmv).
tab00t^2 said:
Came across this Note 20 Ultra thread for a secret 96Hz mode:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...es/note-20-ultra-secret-96hz-display-t4149657
Downloaded the Labs app from the OP and it's working perfectly. Not noticing a significant difference in smoothness and after a full charge cycle my active drain is down about 30% (ymmv).
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Nice fine but I'm still loving my battery life as it is now
oreice said:
Nice fine but I'm still loving my battery life as it is now
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I've been pretty consistently getting about 6 hours SOT the first week with my normal routine/setup (Wi-Fi only, adaptive smoothness, rarely over 50% brightness) mainly using the inner screen. Not bad, I assume, for a device like this. With 96Hz so far it seems to be stretching that out close to 9.
What is the point in this since the inner screen has a refresh rate of 120Hz?
EDIT: Ah never mind, it is to prolong battery life, I see.
Btw for those of you who might want to test if this works, you can go to "https://www.displayhz.com/" and see it there. I recommend to use the Quick Tiles for toggling between 120Hz and 96Hz so that you can see it going into effect (in both ways).
It works perfectly
It saves battery without loss of quality
Thank you!
Hello,
is after this mod,the smaller front screen also working with 96hz?
Lavendel Queen said:
Hello,
is after this mod,the smaller front screen also working with 96hz?
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Obviously not because the front screen is only up to 60Hz, so how do you think that would work??
I think I should share this to you
[App][Non-root]Galaxy Max Hz (Refresh Rate Control & Monitor and Resolution Switcher)
tribalfs said:
I think I should share this to you
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-20-ultra/themes/app-n20u-max-hz-t4181447
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Thanks much, this app is better; nice to have the fps overlay toggle too.
The app above works 100%. Thank you for providing the link. Will be sure to use when I'm below a certain battery %.
Call me insane, but I can genuinely see the difference between 96hz and 120hz. Having used 144hz+ monitors to game for the better part of a decade, I guess I'm used to high refresh displays.
Brief update: I've uninstalled the app.
I noticed my battery life actually got significantly worse because I tend to run the phone at 120hz. Being on YouTube/twitch a lot, I typically don't need 120hz but the app forces 120hz rather than allowing it to drop to 30hz or 60hz when I'm watching content.
I hope there aren't any adverse affects.. actually - I'll likely just factory reset it and start fresh.
AhsanU said:
Brief update: I've uninstalled the app.
I noticed my battery life actually got significantly worse because I tend to run the phone at 120hz. Being on YouTube/twitch a lot, I typically don't need 120hz but the app forces 120hz rather than allowing it to drop to 30hz or 60hz when I'm watching content.
I hope there aren't any adverse affects.. actually - I'll likely just factory reset it and start fresh.
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Battery life was worse at 96hz. Dies the app LOCK the display at 96hz or does it set max 96hz?
AhsanU said:
Brief update: I've uninstalled the app.
I noticed my battery life actually got significantly worse because I tend to run the phone at 120hz. Being on YouTube/twitch a lot, I typically don't need 120hz but the app forces 120hz rather than allowing it to drop to 30hz or 60hz when I'm watching content.
I hope there aren't any adverse affects.. actually - I'll likely just factory reset it and start fresh.
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Battery life was worse at 96hz. Dies the app LOCK the display at 96hz or does it set max 96hz?
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You guys should use the newer version which is made for the Note 20 Ultra, which sets the Refresh Rate to a variable instead of locking it, because that is the exact problem. I also used the first one to begin with, which locked the Refresh Rate at 96Hz instead of allowing it to be variable. If you use the one for the Note 20 Ultra (posted a page back) instead, you will see that it should work much better.
yanniclord said:
You guys should use the newer version which is made for the Note 20 Ultra, which sets the Refresh Rate to a variable instead of locking it, because that is the exact problem. I also used the first one to begin with, which locked the Refresh Rate at 96Hz instead of allowing it to be variable. If you use the one for the Note 20 Ultra (posted a page back) instead, you will see that it should work much better.
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I did use the one linked at the bottom of the first page, and didn't see any options for a variable refresh rate? Two quick setting options appear which allows me to toggle 120hz, 96hz, and 60hz, and the other setting is to see the current fps. And I recall when I open the app, there wasn't anything there apart from a bit of text? Kind of don't want to install it to avoid messing with settings since battery life is pretty important.
Edit: I see that the app does force 60hz after a certain amount of time (on its own volition). That being said, my battery life got significantly worse so I'll stick to stock for now.
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I did use the one linked at the bottom of the first page, and didn't see any options for a variable refresh rate? Two quick setting options appear which allows me to toggle 120hz, 96hz, and 60hz, and the other setting is to see the current fps. And I recall when I open the app, there wasn't anything there apart from a bit of text? Kind of don't want to install it to avoid messing with settings since battery life is pretty important.
Edit: I see that the app does force 60hz after a certain amount of time (on its own volition). That being said, my battery life got significantly worse so I'll stick to stock for now.
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It's just the stock system behavior.
96hz max mode just limit the ramping up of refresh rate to 96hz instead of 120hz. Your battery life being worse probably due to other factor/s.
I did like the 96HZ Mode...............It saved battery...and works on requirement
I found something interesting with this mod.
It works all good, you can set the max hz refresh rate to 96 and the behavior its the same as stock, it takes more or less the same time when the screen is idle to drop to 60, and the smoothness you loss from 120 to 96 its not much noticeable
I found something thay maybe is misworking
When you are on youtube (vanced app in this particular case) and you are seeing a 60fps clip, the stock refresh rate goes to 60hz like the video was at 30 or 24, but if you set the 96hz mode it never drops to 60
This could be a problem if you watch a lot of youtube at 60 fps and could affect somehow to battery life, which is the thing we are trying to improve
With other videos or apps i havent noticed any problem
Thanks
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miguelvrmtz said:
I found something interesting with this mod.
It works all good, you can set the max hz refresh rate to 96 and the behavior its the same as stock, it takes more or less the same time when the screen is idle to drop to 60, and the smoothness you loss from 120 to 96 its not much noticeable
I found something thay maybe is misworking
When you are on youtube (vanced app in this particular case) and you are seeing a 60fps clip, the stock refresh rate goes to 60hz like the video was at 30 or 24, but if you set the 96hz mode it never drops to 60
This could be a problem if you watch a lot of youtube at 60 fps and could affect somehow to battery life, which is the thing we are trying to improve
With other videos or apps i havent noticed any problem
Thanks
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That's not what I'm experiencing. Using the Note 20 Ultra version, refresh rate drops to 60hz when watching videos in Vanced with 96hz maximum adaptive rate. I was going to post a screenshot but every time I touch the screen the refresh rate jumps back up (which is expected behavior).
Mekrel said:
That's not what I'm experiencing. Using the Note 20 Ultra version, refresh rate drops to 60hz when watching videos in Vanced with 96hz maximum adaptive rate. I was going to post a screenshot but every time I touch the screen the refresh rate jumps back up (which is expected behavior).
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Are they 60 fps videos? In case they are it has to be specified in the settings where you switch the resolution...
Other videos works perfect for me, even in Vanced
Btw, im using the last update of the app
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I've set the refresh rate to adaptive then I used an app to monitor my framerate.
When I open a game (e.g. Among Us) the fps does change from 120 to 60.
But when I watch videos on Netflix or Youtube, it stays at 120 despite both apps not supporting this framerate.
So when does it actually "adapt" aside from games?
interesting..I have no idea personally although I have been curious of the same. I can tell you that battery life on mine (SD865) has been pretty terrible, like 2-4 hours SOT over the course of a normal day (12 ish hour period) whereas my S20+ had nearly double the SOT.
I doubt the refresh rate is actually changing like they claimed it would.
From what I was reading, the adaptive refresh rate on Samsung phones works as long as the brightness is above 8% or the ambient light sensor reads above 40 lux. Otherwise, it is always stuck at 120Hz.
But that does not seem to be always true. When playing some games, the refresh rate will drop to 60 to match the game. But I also once managed to get the adaptive refresh rate to go down to 24Hz with the lowest possible brightness and with the ambient light sensor reading pretty much zero (I literally went to a closet and it still worked). But I never managed to
So, how is it supposed to work then? Most of the time, mine is stuck at 120Hz, which just eats the battery. I have no idea, who thought that to get less Hz, you need to increase your brightness.
Kubas_inko_CZ said:
From what I was reading, the adaptive refresh rate on Samsung phones works as long as the brightness is above 8% or the ambient light sensor reads above 40 lux. Otherwise, it is always stuck at 120Hz.
But that does not seem to be always true. When playing some games, the refresh rate will drop to 60 to match the game. But I also once managed to get the adaptive refresh rate to go down to 24Hz with the lowest possible brightness and with the ambient light sensor reading pretty much zero (I literally went to a closet and it still worked). But I never managed to
So, how is it supposed to work then? Most of the time, mine is stuck at 120Hz, which just eats the battery. I have no idea, who thought that to get less Hz, you need to increase your brightness.
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if the game is only displaying at 60fps (which most games will do, at most, unless they have been updated to support 120fps) then there is no point at all in the display showing more than this.
Kubas_inko_CZ said:
From what I was reading, the adaptive refresh rate on Samsung phones works as long as the brightness is above 8% or the ambient light sensor reads above 40 lux. Otherwise, it is always stuck at 120Hz.
But that does not seem to be always true. When playing some games, the refresh rate will drop to 60 to match the game. But I also once managed to get the adaptive refresh rate to go down to 24Hz with the lowest possible brightness and with the ambient light sensor reading pretty much zero (I literally went to a closet and it still worked). But I never managed to
So, how is it supposed to work then? Most of the time, mine is stuck at 120Hz, which just eats the battery. I have no idea, who thought that to get less Hz, you need to increase your brightness.
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So you've seen the display at 120 HZ 60 HZ and 24 HZ. And you're saying it's not so adaptive. You've just proven that it literally is.
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So you've seen the display at 120 HZ 60 HZ and 24 HZ. And you're saying it's not so adaptive. You've just proven that it literally is.
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Bruh. My point is that it does not work with low brightness or low ambient light. So yes. It's adaptive up tu some point, but I am at that point where it isn't...
Lennyuk said:
if the game is only displaying at 60fps (which most games will do, at most, unless they have been updated to support 120fps) then there is no point at all in the display showing more than this.
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So I guess that showing a static image requires 120Hz then. OK...
My advice, wait for the official release day tomorrow and the day one OTA, which there always is, before we start moaning too much about things not functioning as expected.
I have mine forced to 120hz at all times. Love it, no difference i notice in batt life. Got 8hrs SOT yesterday at 80% brightness. This is on a snappy.
Kubas_inko_CZ said:
From what I was reading, the adaptive refresh rate on Samsung phones works as long as the brightness is above 8% or the ambient light sensor reads above 40 lux. Otherwise, it is always stuck at 120Hz.
But that does not seem to be always true. When playing some games, the refresh rate will drop to 60 to match the game. But I also once managed to get the adaptive refresh rate to go down to 24Hz with the lowest possible brightness and with the ambient light sensor reading pretty much zero (I literally went to a closet and it still worked). But I never managed to
So, how is it supposed to work then? Most of the time, mine is stuck at 120Hz, which just eats the battery. I have no idea, who thought that to get less Hz, you need to increase your brightness.
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Can the refresh rate be set to 60 hertz / no variations on the small S22 ?
Does this 60 hertz forced limit increase battery life by 20 % or even more ?
I used to use Galaxy Max Hz (https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...ods-qs-tiles-tasker-support-and-more.4220481//) on my rooted S21 Ultra, which is a great app that allows the screen at standstill to be reduced to 10hz before immediately ramping back up to 120hz (or any other step up you liked - I set mine to 90hz as the difference wasn't overly noticeable) if you touched the screen resulting in scrolling or movement. Is there an equivalent on the Pixel, do you know? I'm very happy with the battery life, but reckon something like this would improve it further.
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I used to use Galaxy Max Hz (https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...ods-qs-tiles-tasker-support-and-more.4220481//) on my rooted S21 Ultra, which is a great app that allows the screen at standstill to be reduced to 10hz before immediately ramping back up to 120hz (or any other step up you liked - I set mine to 90hz as the difference wasn't overly noticeable) if you touched the screen resulting in scrolling or movement. Is there an equivalent on the Pixel, do you know? I'm very happy with the battery life, but reckon something like this would improve it further.
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I'm guessing, but I'm thinking the answer is no, the Pixel screen only varies between 60-120. I tried ADB commands to choose 96 as the high but it fails. I use that app on my S22 Ultra and works great. I haven't seen any negative battery effects of letting it do it's thing up to 120. (So far).
I believe the screen varies from 10Hz-120Hz but only hits 10Hz in certain situations (e.g. When content is static with good ambient lighting). The refresh rate in Developer Options uses SurfaceFlinger, but SurfaceFlinger doesn't read below 60Hz and you need to use the Display Controller or some other means (as done below) to read below that, is my understanding.
This is from the Pixel 6 Pro, but the concept should still be the same for the Pixel 7 Pro...
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498870947272556546
There is also this...
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/rn5wrp
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I'm guessing, but I'm thinking the answer is no, the Pixel screen only varies between 60-120. I tried ADB commands to choose 96 as the high but it fails. I use that app on my S22 Ultra and works great. I haven't seen any negative battery effects of letting it do it's thing up to 120. (So far).
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According to the gsmarena:
For refresh rate, you get a single toggle in the settings menu called 'Smooth Display', which enables the 120Hz mode. The thing is, despite the official specsheet listing the display as being able to adjust refresh rate in the 10-120Hz range, Android only reports 120Hz and 60Hz modes, both in the Display.Mode class and while the phone is in use with the 'Show refresh rate' utility turned on in Developer options. So while it's somewhat adaptive and will switch from 120Hz down to 60Hz for static content or when you're not touching the display, other refresh rates don't appear to be used (or supported). That's quite perplexing.
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As they advertised variable refresh rate it should be possible. I'm not sure why it hasn't been implemented yet but hopefully they will do it.
That's a bit irritating, but less than it might have been given the battery life (for me at least) is more than good enough.
I just set adb force min, and max 24, and it's forced to full all the time. ZERO issues with batt life
I used to use the Samsung max hz app myself and found it great. Best I've done so far on the P7P is dev options and force max hz. Seems to be working for me so far