Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
beforedenied said:
Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There are pros and cons to root.
The first pro is limitless customizations and personalizations.
The first con is OTA updates get disabled.
Another pro is you are able to dramatically improve battery and overall performance using various apps.
Another con is your warranty will be void, assuming you tripped KNOX.
If you trip KNOX, Samsung Pay no longer works; if you have root (even without touching KNOX) Android Pay does not work.
I obtained root just to prove to myself it could be done.
Since then there have been dramatic improvements with speed and battery life.
Package Disabler Pro can freeze a lot of the bloatware without root: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ospolice.packagedisablerpro&hl=en
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk
XxLordxX said:
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
Sent from my SM-G920I using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
An android phone for me is worthless without root permissions. I need it for:
adaway adds
iptables (firewall)
better battery life (debloat)
titanium backup
JuanRamiro said:
Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
Iceman_jkh said:
I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
JuanRamiro said:
Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Keep in mind this engineering bootloader does not work with all variants. For example there is no Eng Bootloader for the Canadian phones.
Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
Iceman_jkh said:
Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
JuanRamiro said:
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks. I did some additional research, thanks to your advice about eng boot loader, and seems like it will work ☺
Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
JuanRamiro said:
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi,
I wouldn't risk that "you can just flash the correct one and make it work again". If you know how a bootloader work, if it gets broken there is no way to get to Download Mode and flash a new firmware/bootloader.
For information sake, a bootloader is a piece of software that is the first thing loaded when you boot your device, it comes before anything, be it kernel, be it recovery or anything else, that means, if you have a broken bootloader, the moment you try to boot your device up, it will try loading BL and it will fail, so it will shut down back again. I've had a broken BL once before on S4, the only way to recover was a direct flash of software in system chip using a tool called JTAG.
So, all I can say to users who still didn't get it: beware with this. It seems that many people are getting successful results, but it's an extremely risk procedure, make sure you read every single instruction and follow it, the possibility of a hard brick is high.
Even still, it's a great find, thanks for sharing with me, I didn't know of this until early today .
All the best,
~Lord
I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
XxLordxX said:
Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
coolmalayalee said:
Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
jetbruceli said:
Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
coolmalayalee said:
Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Once tripped there is no going back. Voided warranty depends on laws of your country and your retailers policy.
coolmalayalee said:
Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
YOU CAN NOT UNTRIP KNOX, you can reflash your firmware from Sammobile, http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-G920F/
use odin and then after you flash, go into recovery or use system settings and conduct a factory reset. It will say Official in the status but, since they will reflash your rom anyways, they will see the knox trip.
It depends on where you purschased your device whether or not they will warranty it with Knox tripped.
Honestly, anyone who roots should understand this information before hand. You should always know how to return to stock unroot.
Jameslwoodward said:
I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
After rooting my 5.1.1 without tripping Knox, with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader (as as described a few posts ago) I have flashed a stok rom with odin and then everything went back as it was before the rooting procedure.
1. I was on stok oficial rom with oficial bootloader.
2. I lost root.
3. Knox was still intact: 0.
4. Fingerprint scanner and MyKnox worked again.
So: after upgrade to 5.1.1, rooting with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader seems to be safe and also easy to bo back to stock... at least for my model (G920F)
Hey everyone,
I am new to the programming scene and this forum.
Anyways, I run a repair business in Ontario and have repairs come in daily. In particular today, I had a Samsung Galaxy S7 come in for repair and the issue the customer explained was they forgot their pin or pattern lock. I used to be able to use TWRP and go into the system and delete the gesture.keys without losing all data but I read up on the new technology now with Knox and bootloader and I was told flashing TWRP on the Galaxy s7 without bootloader unlocked will cause bootloop. All I need is to get into TWRP to delete those keys because customer CANNOT lose any DATA (very important). Is there anyway to get TWRP on the Canadian variant without wiping or causing a boot loop. I don’t need root. Just need access to the system files from recovery to delete that key file. Unless someone else can chime in and offer another solution, but please HELP!
ghostnetworksolutions said:
Hey everyone,
I am new to the programming scene and this forum.
Anyways, I run a repair business in Ontario and have repairs come in daily. In particular today, I had a Samsung Galaxy S7 come in for repair and the issue the customer explained was they forgot their pin or pattern lock. I used to be able to use TWRP and go into the system and delete the gesture.keys without losing all data but I read up on the new technology now with Knox and bootloader and I was told flashing TWRP on the Galaxy s7 without bootloader unlocked will cause bootloop. All I need is to get into TWRP to delete those keys because customer CANNOT lose any DATA (very important). Is there anyway to get TWRP on the Canadian variant without wiping or causing a boot loop. I don’t need root. Just need access to the system files from recovery to delete that key file. Unless someone else can chime in and offer another solution, but please HELP!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If the bootloader on that device is locked, you won't ever be able to use TWRP at all, not ever, not by any means.
If you know exactly what firmware build number thay had installed before this happened, you can try flashing that exact version of stock firnware via Odin. As long as the firmware that you flash does not contain a different(upgraded/downgraded) bootloader, it "shouldn't" wipe their personal data but it does wipe the user settings(pin/pass in this case). When flashing via Odin, the user data does not get wiped unless the bootloader on the device is upgraded or downgraded during the flashing process. Their data should stay intact if you use the firmware version that is already on the device.
If the bootloader is locked, then regardless of what you do, flashing the firmware is the only way you're going to fix this, whether it wipes their data or not. Flashing the current firmware that is already on the device is really your only option.
Sent from my LGL84VL using Tapatalk
TWRP
I’ve managed to reset the password because cudtomerbhad her Samsung account linked to the phone. Logging into Samsung online gives you the option to remotely unlock the pattern. She now has all her data and password is gone. Thanks for the quick reply regardless
ghostnetworksolutions said:
I’ve managed to reset the password because cudtomerbhad her Samsung account linked to the phone. Logging into Samsung online gives you the option to remotely unlock the pattern. She now has all her data and password is gone. Thanks for the quick reply regardless
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ah yeah, I forgot about that option because I don't use the Samsung account feature on my phones. Plus, I was looking from a perspective of what could be flashed or not without causing data loss.
Sent from my LGL84VL using Tapatalk
I've looked for quite a while on anything that could help me root the phone, and have had no success with anything. I'm worrying at this point that the bootloader is just locked and have to ask, is there anything else I can do to root this phone? Willing to try pretty much anything, even at risk of bricking it.
Lavitz324 said:
I've looked for quite a while on anything that could help me root the phone, and have had no success with anything. I'm worrying at this point that the bootloader is just locked and have to ask, is there anything else I can do to root this phone? Willing to try pretty much anything, even at risk of bricking it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm interested in this too but in all likelihood nobody with the knowledge is even working on it because this is a niche phone.
Locked bootloader..
Well i have this fone now...i bought it because it was a good deal so it seemed..Less than 100$ for fone and service activation plan...I have rooted just about every Samsung i have ever owned...So heres what i have come up with..There is no OEM option in Developer options...On any other samsung fone i always go right into developer options and disable OEM by turning it off...Then i either have used Kingroot apk or Kingoroot apk in the past and they have worked...sometimes u have to find the perfect version to match your android software specifically...Now i have always had huge success with Odin and flashing TWRP via Laptop or Computer via USB connection, but thats something each individual should personally take the time and educate theirselves on just in case... Sorry to say that the Samsung J3 Orbit with Total Wireless and Oreo 8.0 needs a serious look at...
Lavitz324 said:
I've looked for quite a while on anything that could help me root the phone, and have had no success with anything. I'm worrying at this point that the bootloader is just locked and have to ask, is there anything else I can do to root this phone? Willing to try pretty much anything, even at risk of bricking it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Your phone is a 2018 model of the j3. When xda finally makes a J3 (2018) thread i will request for this thread to be moved. Any root methods shown in J3 (2017) are likely not to work anymore since samsung patched the methods used. The only way to root phones now is by buying the U variants of samsung's phones which are only available from samsung's website under unlocked phones. Unlocked phones from samsung have an unlocked bootloader by default.
thepcwiz101 said:
Your phone is a 2018 model of the j3. When xda finally makes a J3 (2018) thread i will request for this thread to be moved. Any root methods shown in J3 (2017) are likely not to work anymore since samsung patched the methods used. The only way to root phones now is by buying the U variants of samsung's phones which are only available from samsung's website under unlocked phones. Unlocked phones from samsung have an unlocked bootloader by default.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
incorrect statement.
My s9+ is a U varient with no OEM unlock option and did not come from samsung. And my s9+ is still not rootable.
OuijaElite said:
incorrect statement.
My s9+ is a U varient with no OEM unlock option and did not come from samsung. And my s9+ is still not rootable.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
strange. what is the model number.
thepcwiz101 said:
Your phone is a 2018 model of the j3. When xda finally makes a J3 (2018) thread i will request for this thread to be moved. Any root methods shown in J3 (2017) are likely not to work anymore since samsung patched the methods used. The only way to root phones now is by buying the U variants of samsung's phones which are only available from samsung's website under unlocked phones. Unlocked phones from samsung have an unlocked bootloader by default.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
U models are normally U.S. models which are locked tight. I run a s8 as my everyday driver which is rooted. The s9 s10 and most other us snapdragon and in this case exynos all are locked tight. And they cannot be rooted as of right now. The sampwn and other samfail do not work anymore. The U model you are referring to is the U.S. sim unlocked model not bootloader. With the S series F is the European bootloader unlocked model I don't know the European letter for J series.
Until some one finds a way to push a rooted system img on stock permissive combination kernel root will not come just like s9 and s10 us models
If these where us snapdragon we could push a rooted system combination file with safestrap just like we do on the newer bootloader on s8 using EDL and Qualcomm 9008
Just had an idea, another thread on this forum a guy says he made a modified version of Odin that can flash mix matched models. So just flash a model version of the j3 orbit that can be rooted or at least oem unlock capable to be able to flash twrp and then be able to root through twrp.
If flashing a j3 with a model number different than sm-367vl would brick it, just extract the .img partitions like boot.img or whatever the partition may be with ubuntu to restore one by one until you find which one makes the phone boot.
I don't know much about phones when it comes to this depth of modification. But I had a lg zone 3 that used this method to turn an unrootable model number version into a different model number that was rootable. Before I flashed the .img partitions of the stock software the screen had lines all over it, so using screen mirroring I was able to root the different model number software then download partition backup and restore app them restore the partitions that were for the original model number.
So basically it took both model numbers and combined some partitions of each to make it work properly.
In my head I can totally see this working. Just depends on how close to the same hardware each model number of the galaxy j3 has i guess.
I wish I would have noticed/seen this a bit sooner.. any progress or luck? I have the j337u ...
I know chimera tool is able to remove Knox kglock oemlock rmm mdm , of which mine shows kglock on, oemlock: on, frplock off. Trying to flash anything gives the error insufficient payment somethin. So there's got to be a way around it. ALSO I found interesting, the FCC id has J337t instead of U ...wonder why that is ...
(Anyone know where I can get stock j260AZ/AIO -notpaid- (cricket) firmware,I've literally checked every where )
We need someone to take that new 0day exploit rootPoC mod it however and release it
Found this [Have not tried it yet]
Came across an article on androidbiits. Not sure it's actually viable. Unfortunately I cant post the direct link until I have enough posts under my belt.
I'm willing to pitch in if someone can point me in the right direction.
Yhuda
How now????You are find How to root this phone????Please add Develop for find How to root Samsung J3 Orbit?!??
For my kglock on, oem lock on j337u, which also has some new mdm / rmm on it from consumer , I used chimera tool to set KGLock to Complete.
This also switched the oem lock to off and show the toggle in Dev ops....
1st flash of magical patched img worked. But after.connectinf.the Wi-Fi , knox enrollment and instantly a sec. Msg popped up and locked up the entire device. No usb connection or.anything.
factory reset
Same Issue,.then locks up
So for try 3, flash the patched boot, let boot.
AS SOON AS ITboots to android, hit the Airplane Mode toggle to activate it to stop Knox Enrollmnt
So er.gont get
was able to unlock the boatloader with comb file that was compatible, flashed stock track phone, updated to 9 pie...
used a gig pressed power button ???
9 pie trac phone j3 orbit
patched AP file with majisk, ran with Odin : says noway fail, I was able to reflash with stock firmware, so it doesn't work on mine...
any other luck
thanks
I would really like to know if anyone has succeeded either rooting or SIM unlocking or flashing with a different firmware on this model.
I was able to access the OEM unlock in my J3 Orbit (SM-S367VL) via factory binary after flashing combination firmware.
That is as far as Ive gotten. I am assuming you would want to run ADB download mode to flash anything as factory binary seems to have some security measures against full bootloader unlock built in