Hi all,
In Australia at least, the current crop of Sony Xperia phones such as the 1 ii and 5 ii have 5G bands compatible with our carriers however I've not read of a single person being able to actually connect to 5G.
I'm on SEA firmware.
My wife just purchased an ASUS Zenfone 7 Pro and 5G worked out of the box for her.
Both handsets are not sold in Australia but hers works?
Has anyone else had luck connecting to 5G?
Pretty annoying owning a 5G mobile, that has the required bands, being unable to connect to 5G.
Cheers
Does anyone know?
Check if your Service Provider supports bands which Xperia 5 II supports: 1, 3, 8, 28, 77, 78
Zenfone 7 Pro supports these bands: 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 12, 20, 28, 38, 77, 78.
So it could be your Service Provider supporting bands which are not supported by Xperia 5 II.
No, Optus uses bands that the Sony Xperia 5 ii should support.
From this website.
Optus
Optus is Australia's second largest mobile network operator, providing high speed connectivity over its 3G, 4G, and 5G networks. Optus is currently making a significant push into regional and rural areas with its $1 billion regional Australian network investment program announced in 2018.
r-spectrum.com.au
Optus uses;
B1 (2100 MHz)20 MHzActiveB3 (1800 MHz)20 MHzActiveB7 (2600 MHz)20 MHzActiveB7 (2600 MHz)20 MHzActiveB8 (900 MHz)5 MHzActiveB28 (700 MHz)10 MHzActiveB40 (2300 MHz)20 MHzActiveB40 (2300 MHz)20 MHzActiveB40 (2300 MHz)20 MHzActiveB40 (2300 MHz)20 MHzActiveB42 (3500 MHz)20 MHzrefarmed
Optus 5G
5G caught a lot of people in the technology industry by surprise. Expectation was that we wouldn't see 5G implemented until 2020 at the very earliest. But the tech industry moves faster than any other and 5G is already here. The key Optus band for 5G is n78 (3500 MHz) which it has deployed with 64T64R Massive MIMO antennas. Optus' 60 MHz channel means it can pipe around an extra gigabit on top of its existing 4G LTE network.
3.5 GHz does have a limited range, but beamforming technology has been demonstrated to provide similar range to that of 2.6 GHz. With 5G there aren't a lot of options as far as traditional external antenna systems go, 5G is such an advanced technology that we can't use old fashioned coaxial cables and patch leads. All 5G units worth their weight are all-integrated ODU style.
In the next year or two we'll see the introduction of mmWave 5G on Optus, who are looking at n257 (26 GHz) as their main millimetre-wave band. This is where things will get very interesting, and incredibly fast with trials showing data rates as high as 70 Gbps. Picking a 5G integration partner who understands the technology is going to become more and more important as the industry progresses.
Optus moved very fast on 5G. Our expectation is that Optus 5G will continue over n78 (3500 MHz) for the time, but an eventual refarming of its extensive 2300 MHz holdings is a near-certainty. Optus secured 98 MHz of 2300 MHz spectrum when it acquired Vivid Wireless in 2012 and portions of the spectrum are currently used for B40 LTE for the company's 4G Home Broadband service. It's R-Spectrum's prediction that an 80 MHz n40 5G carrier will be implemented in the coming years - possibly making the Optus 5G network the fastest in Australia.
Optus officially launched 5G services in November 2019 with an initial 290 sites, and expanded to 1200 as of March 2020.
TECHNICAL DATA
Evolution
NR (Rel. 15+)
StatusActive [Launched 2019-11-28]
Max. MIMO
Massive MIMO
Max. Modulation
256QAM
Carrier Aggregation-
NR BANDCHANNEL WIDTHSTATUS
n78 (3500 MHz)
60 MHzActive
homerlovesbeer said:
No, Optus uses bands that the Sony Xperia 5 ii should support.
From this website.
Optus
Optus is Australia's second largest mobile network operator, providing high speed connectivity over its 3G, 4G, and 5G networks. Optus is currently making a significant push into regional and rural areas with its $1 billion regional Australian network investment program announced in 2018.
r-spectrum.com.au
Optus uses;
B1 (2100 MHz)20 MHzActiveB3 (1800 MHz)20 MHzActiveB7 (2600 MHz)20 MHzActiveB7 (2600 MHz)20 MHzActiveB8 (900 MHz)5 MHzActiveB28 (700 MHz)10 MHzActiveB40 (2300 MHz)20 MHzActiveB40 (2300 MHz)20 MHzActiveB40 (2300 MHz)20 MHzActiveB40 (2300 MHz)20 MHzActiveB42 (3500 MHz)20 MHzrefarmed
Optus 5G
5G caught a lot of people in the technology industry by surprise. Expectation was that we wouldn't see 5G implemented until 2020 at the very earliest. But the tech industry moves faster than any other and 5G is already here. The key Optus band for 5G is n78 (3500 MHz) which it has deployed with 64T64R Massive MIMO antennas. Optus' 60 MHz channel means it can pipe around an extra gigabit on top of its existing 4G LTE network.
3.5 GHz does have a limited range, but beamforming technology has been demonstrated to provide similar range to that of 2.6 GHz. With 5G there aren't a lot of options as far as traditional external antenna systems go, 5G is such an advanced technology that we can't use old fashioned coaxial cables and patch leads. All 5G units worth their weight are all-integrated ODU style.
In the next year or two we'll see the introduction of mmWave 5G on Optus, who are looking at n257 (26 GHz) as their main millimetre-wave band. This is where things will get very interesting, and incredibly fast with trials showing data rates as high as 70 Gbps. Picking a 5G integration partner who understands the technology is going to become more and more important as the industry progresses.
Optus moved very fast on 5G. Our expectation is that Optus 5G will continue over n78 (3500 MHz) for the time, but an eventual refarming of its extensive 2300 MHz holdings is a near-certainty. Optus secured 98 MHz of 2300 MHz spectrum when it acquired Vivid Wireless in 2012 and portions of the spectrum are currently used for B40 LTE for the company's 4G Home Broadband service. It's R-Spectrum's prediction that an 80 MHz n40 5G carrier will be implemented in the coming years - possibly making the Optus 5G network the fastest in Australia.
Optus officially launched 5G services in November 2019 with an initial 290 sites, and expanded to 1200 as of March 2020.
TECHNICAL DATA
Evolution
NR (Rel. 15+)
StatusActive [Launched 2019-11-28]
Max. MIMO
Massive MIMO
Max. Modulation
256QAM
Carrier Aggregation-
NR BANDCHANNEL WIDTHSTATUS
n78 (3500 MHz)
60 MHzActive
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Looks like all bands you mentioned in above table are 4G(LTE) bands. For 5G only n78 is supported by your provider so check if your phone has support for this band. I believe you have XQ-AS72 model so check if you have this support and you are selecting correct network from Preferred Network.
PPGX5II said:
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Looks like all bands you mentioned in above table are 4G(LTE) bands. For 5G only n78 is supported by your provider so check if your phone has support for this band. I believe you have XQ-AS72 model so check if you have this support and you are selecting correct network from Preferred Network.
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Yes but the XQ-AS72 supports n78
Sounds like Sony doesn't have yet approved your Carrier so 5G is not enabled in your phone if you don't see 5G icon on status bar while you are connected to 5G tower. There is Carrier Policy could limit this.
Have the same issue here in the Philippines. As72 on A11, global version(?), Globe network. Should also be on n78.
No 5g, no volte, no wifi calling.
@homerlovesbeer I can confirm the latest firmware XQ-AS72_Customized SEA_58.1.A.1.178 doesn't have 5G enabled in Australia. There is no NR-NSA bands defined in band_set_01.xml file:
XML:
<rf_band_list ns="global" name="oc4_505_b">
<gw_bands base="hardware"/>
<lte_bands base="none">
<include>0 1 2 3 4 6 7 19 27 31 37 38 39 40</include>
</lte_bands>
<tds_bands base="none"/>
<nr5g_sa_bands base="none" />
<nr5g_nsa_bands base="none"/>
</rf_band_list>
And about same @x10bravia have:
XML:
<rf_band_list ns="global" name="phl_b">
<gw_bands base="hardware"/>
<lte_bands base="none">
<include>0 2 6 7 27 37 39</include>
</lte_bands>
<tds_bands base="none"/>
<nr5g_sa_bands base="none" />
<nr5g_nsa_bands base="none"/>
</rf_band_list>
I saw also there is no VoLTE profile for Globe but there is VoLTE profile for Optus.
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Thanks, @olkitu. I Appreciate the confirmation.
It's weird that there's an option for 5g Nr in the network type selection but no actual bands.
... Just double checked the phone version ... Global c2 user...
olkitu said:
@homerlovesbeer I can confirm the latest firmware XQ-AS72_Customized SEA_58.1.A.1.178 doesn't have 5G enabled in Australia. There is no NR-NSA bands defined in band_set_01.xml file:
XML:
<rf_band_list ns="global" name="oc4_505_b">
<gw_bands base="hardware"/>
<lte_bands base="none">
<include>0 1 2 3 4 6 7 19 27 31 37 38 39 40</include>
</lte_bands>
<tds_bands base="none"/>
<nr5g_sa_bands base="none" />
<nr5g_nsa_bands base="none"/>
</rf_band_list>
And about same @x10bravia have:
XML:
<rf_band_list ns="global" name="phl_b">
<gw_bands base="hardware"/>
<lte_bands base="none">
<include>0 2 6 7 27 37 39</include>
</lte_bands>
<tds_bands base="none"/>
<nr5g_sa_bands base="none" />
<nr5g_nsa_bands base="none"/>
</rf_band_list>
I saw also there is no VoLTE profile for Globe but there is VoLTE profile for Optus.
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So if I'm on Optus can I enable VoLTE now? If so, how?
Also wouldn't Sony be in a bit of trouble saying the phone supports required 5G bands then doesn't implement the required software to use them?
x10bravia said:
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Thanks, @olkitu. I Appreciate the confirmation.
It's weird that there's an option for 5g Nr in the network type selection but no actual bands.
... Just double checked the phone version ... Global c2 user...
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Well still you can't connect 5G because no bands allowed use.
homerlovesbeer said:
So if I'm on Optus can I enable VoLTE now? If so, how?
Also wouldn't Sony be in a bit of trouble saying the phone supports required 5G bands then doesn't implement the required software to use them?
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Somewhere in Android Settings should allow enable VoLTE? Yes the device support 5G bands as in specs says but these are not enabled on your network. Bit silly they don't publicly tell that but it's possible extract firmware and modems and look there. Also if you have rooted possible also modify and enable. I have made blog post how to edit policy files but this require root: https://mt.ax/Rt8Uh
Is Sony updating this modem configurations? Or is it given and future firmware updates won't change anything?
centaurian said:
Is Sony updating this modem configurations? Or is it given and future firmware updates won't change anything?
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Possible change in future updates.
I rushed to buy this phone and bought it from Amazon where they said the phone shipped from Hong Kong. I am in the USA and use AT&T. Unfortunately I don't get any 5G signal, even though it's included in my service and the SIM card is 5G capable along with the IMEI being registered with AT&T. Besides 5G not working, the 4G coverage is super slow and I was thinking it was probably because the phone itself doesn't cover sufficient bands available in the USA because my last ROG Phone 2 was super fast in every way. Does anyone know how to unlock the bands for 5G or at least more 4G LTE bands please?!? I really can't stand these speeds
Your carrier would have to add them to the service. The bands you have are set by the hardware. You can't unlock them.
it is tied to your hardware. Youre screwed.. but please dont tell me you paid the premium on the phone just because its was on amazon? You could have gotten the same glorified tablet for 600-700 elsewhere
PhoneBots said:
it is tied to your hardware. Youre screwed.. but please dont tell me you paid the premium on the phone just because its was on amazon? You could have gotten the same glorified tablet for 600-700 elsewhere
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No I bought the cheaper version (not the ultimate) but with the 16GB RAM. I guess this will just be a project phone
I guess lesson learned! Just sell it then buy the global one.
seiferfury said:
I guess lesson learned! Just sell it then buy the global one.
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Who is going to buy it? Now that the proper local versions have released, the resale on a used foreign version is going to be about $200 (unless you pay shipping back to the origin country), meaning you are still around $800 short of buying the same phone.
harold741963 said:
I rushed to buy this phone and bought it from Amazon where they said the phone shipped from Hong Kong. I am in the USA and use AT&T. Unfortunately I don't get any 5G signal, even though it's included in my service and the SIM card is 5G capable along with the IMEI being registered with AT&T. Besides 5G not working, the 4G coverage is super slow and I was thinking it was probably because the phone itself doesn't cover sufficient bands available in the USA because my last ROG Phone 2 was super fast in every way. Does anyone know how to unlock the bands for 5G or at least more 4G LTE bands please?!? I really can't stand these speeds
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Yesterday I noticed I had 5g service on my 16gb 256 version. I am also with att. I was surprised to see the icon so I checked the band. It was on band 2 which was previously a lte band in my area. The speeds were the same so I dunnno if it's really 5g or not. Mine is the global one direct from Asus
bmayne81 said:
Yesterday I noticed I had 5g service on my 16gb 256 version. I am also with att. I was surprised to see the icon so I checked the band. It was on band 2 which was previously a lte band in my area. The speeds were the same so I dunnno if it's really 5g or not. Mine is the global one direct from Asus
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The global version from Asus has similar bands to the US version. The ones from Hong Kong are Tencent devices, which do not.
twistedumbrella said:
The global version from Asus has similar bands to the US version. The ones from Hong Kong are Tencent devices, which do not.
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How do we check what version it is?
harold741963 said:
How do we check what version it is?
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Check the box
It says it's an ASUS_I005DA, ZS673KS
bmayne81 said:
Yesterday I noticed I had 5g service on my 16gb 256 version. I am also with att. I was surprised to see the icon so I checked the band. It was on band 2 which was previously a lte band in my area. The speeds were the same so I dunnno if it's really 5g or not. Mine is the global one direct from Asus
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Interesting. I'm on AT&T with a 5g plan and sim, and I have yet to see the 5g icon. After spending some time with AT&T support verifying my IMEI etc, I still have had no luck and 5g is definitely active in my area. I have also purchased the phone direct from the US Asus store.
Do you mind sharing your APN settings?
BILLYB187 said:
Interesting. I'm on AT&T with a 5g plan and sim, and I have yet to see the 5g icon. After spending some time with AT&T support verifying my IMEI etc, I still have had no luck and 5g is definitely active in my area. I have also purchased the phone direct from the US Asus store.
Do you mind sharing your APN settings?
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Of course, the first image is the default APN settings and the second one is just an APN I added that I thought might've made a difference but didn't do anything
harold741963 said:
Of course, the first image is the default APN settings and the second one is just an APN I added that I thought might've made a difference but didn't do anything
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Thanks for these. I'm going to try adding the settings that you used under bearer and see if it changes anything on my phone. I won't be able to try until later but will let you know.
The samsung devices list GID under MVNO and 53FF under value but if I do that on my phone the APN vanishes.
Hopefully Bmayne responds with their setup too since I have the same device.
Billy, thanks for asking about the APN. I didn't think to look at that. Apparently it's a new APN I haven't seen before. Here it is.
harold741963 said:
It says it's an ASUS_I005DA, ZS673KS
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This is Global/Europe version. Here have this model supported bands and combinations: https://cacombos.com/device/ASUS_I005DA (A-version).
If anyone have US version of this device and rooted, would be interesting to list this model to compare Global/Europe one.
olkitu said:
This is Global/Europe version. Here have this model supported bands and combinations: https://cacombos.com/device/ASUS_I005DA (A-version).
If anyone have US version of this device and rooted, would be interesting to list this model to compare Global/Europe one.
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Thanks but what do I do with that data?
harold741963 said:
Thanks but what do I do with that data?
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To see combinations with 5G and 4G. 5G NSA require the device support anchor band (4G) and 5G together.
olkitu said:
This is Global/Europe version. Here have this model supported bands and combinations: https://cacombos.com/device/ASUS_I005DA (A-version).
If anyone have US version of this device and rooted, would be interesting to list this model to compare Global/Europe one.
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They don't appear to have data for other models of the phone.
https://store.asus.com/us/item/202105AM210000001 lists the information under "Connectivity" for the US version of the phone.
https://rog.asus.com/uk/phones/rog-phone-5-model/spec lists versions A - H under "Network Standard" for the Europe versions.
You don't need to be rooted if you know where to look.
And since who doesn't love tables and charts, here is the Europe version breakdown of what every version supports and then what is remaining.
Code:
Universal:
FR1: DL up to 2.8 Gbps / UL 542 Mbps
Gigabit LTE
DC-HSPA+: DL 42 Mbps / UL 5.76 Mbps
4x4 MIMO and CA with 4x4 MIMO support
5G (Bands N28, N41, N77, N78, N79)
FDD-LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 18, 19, 20, 26, 28)
TD-LTE (Bands 34, 38, 39, 41, 42, 48)
WCDMA (Bands 1, 2, 4, 5, 8)
EDGE/GPRS/GSM (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
Code:
A version:
Supports EN-DC (6DL+FR1, 2FR1)
FR1: DL up to 3.8 Gbps
LTE: DL 7CA Cat20 up to 2.0 Gbps / UL 2CA Cat13 up to 150 Mbps
5G (Bands N1, N2, N3, N5, N7, N8, N12, N20, N25, N38, N40, N66, N71)
FDD-LTE (Bands 12, 13, 17, 25, 29, 30, 32, 66, 71)
TD-LTE (Bands 40)
WCDMA (Bands 3, 6, 19)
supports 4×4 MIMO, HPUE, HO RxD
B version:
Supports EN-DC (6DL+FR1, 2FR1)
FR1: DL up to 3.8 Gbps
LTE: DL 7CA Cat20 up to 2.0 Gbps / UL 2CA Cat13 up to 150 Mbps
5G (Bands N1, N2, N3, N5, N7, N8, N12, N20, N25, N38, N66, N71)
FDD-LTE (Bands 12, 13, 17, 25, 29, 30, 32, 66, 71)
WCDMA (Bands 3, 6, 19)
supports 4×4 MIMO, HPUE, HO RxD
C version:
Supports EN-DC (5DL+FR1, 2FR1)
LTE: DL 7CA Cat18 up to 1.4 Gbps / UL 2CA Cat13 up to 150 Mbps
5G (Bands N1, N3, N7, N8, N20, N38 roaming only)
FDD-LTE (Bands 20, 26, 28)
TD-LTE (Bands 40)
D version:
Supports EN-DC (6DL+FR1, 2FR1)
FR1: DL up to 3.8 Gbps
LTE: DL 7CA Cat20 up to 2.0 Gbps / UL 2CA Cat13 up to 150 Mbps
5G (Bands N1, N2, N3, N5, N7, N8, N12, N20, N25, N38, N40, N66, N71)
FDD-LTE (Bands 12, 13, 17, 25, 29, 30, 32, 66, 71)
TD-LTE (Bands 40)
WCDMA (Bands 3, 6, 19)
supports 4×4 MIMO, HPUE, HO RxD
E version:
Supports EN-DC (6DL+FR1, 2FR1)
FR1: DL up to 3.8 Gbps
LTE: DL 7CA Cat20 up to 2.0 Gbps / UL 2CA Cat13 up to 150 Mbps
5G (Bands N1, N2, N3, N5, N7, N8, N12, N20, N25, N38, N66, N71)
FDD-LTE (Bands 12, 13, 17, 25, 29, 30, 32, 66, 71)
WCDMA (Bands 3, 6, 19)
supports 4×4 MIMO, HPUE, HO RxD
F version:
Supports EN-DC (5DL+FR1, 2FR1)
LTE: DL 7CA Cat18 up to 1.4 Gbps / UL 2CA Cat13 up to 150 Mbps
5G (Bands N1, N3, N7, N8, N20, N38)
TD-LTE (Bands 40)
G version:
Supports EN-DC (5DL+FR1, 2FR1)
LTE: DL 7CA Cat18 up to 1.4 Gbps / UL 2CA Cat13 up to 150 Mbps
5G (Bands N1, N3, N7, N8, N20, N38 roaming only)
TD-LTE (Bands 40)
H version:
Supports EN-DC (5DL+FR1, 2FR1)
LTE: DL 7CA Cat20 up to 1.4 Gbps / UL 2CA Cat13 up to 150 Mbps
5G (Bands N1, N3, N7, N8, N20, N38)
TD-LTE (Bands 40)
You can see your model in Settings -> About -> Regulator Information. The last letter should be version letter.
If i bought a snapdragon version of the S22 ultra from Hongkong or US, will its network bands work in middle eastern countries like Lebanon? how can i check on that?
Also I found this model of the phone SM-R908N and wonder if it could work on the network bands of Lebanon. Any thoughts on this issue I'd really appreciate it.
Oh, one more thing, will i encounter any firmware-related problems too? considering the different firmware models.
Easy to check....go to Alpha, see devices they sell, check specs
Alfa | Lebanon's first mobile network
Alfa is Lebanon’s first mobile network, managed by OTMT. Browse Personal, Business & Broadband offers as well as a wide range of devices & accessories.
www.alfa.com.lb
it uses
FDD LTE Bands: B1, 3, 7, 8, 20, 28, 32
TDD LTE Band: B38
UMTS Bands: 1, 3, 8
LTE CA UL Bands: B7+B7, B38+B38
>>>bands 7 & 38 are main there
so now go to gsmarena
Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra 5G - Full phone specifications
www.gsmarena.com
see specs
4G bands1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28, 32, 38, 39, 40, 41, 66 - SM-S908B
So s22 ultra should work as it supports Band7 and Band 38 as Alpha provides, if no special locks at network, your s22 ultra shoulbe fine (max download speed are unknow)
Been here about 5 years at XDA, mostly just a lurker from time to time. I found it very interesting about enabling additional base for the US bands S22.
I bought the UK version at launch, wanted the dual SIM and eSIM as well, as I travel often around Asia and previous dual SIM models were extremely handy.
Here in Japan, 5G is very strong, hitting 900+Mbps when I hit a band that my phone supports, however the bands allocated for 5G in Japan are the 3.7 GHz band (n77, n78), the 4.5 GHz band (n79), and the 28 GHz band (n257). n77, n78, n79 and n257 (NTT Docomo).
The UK model supports 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 12, 20, 25, 28, 38, 40, 41, 66, 75, 77, 78- so I am missing the n79, and n257 which has the best coverage here in Japan.
I would appreciate any feedback you may have, I have tried the US model instructions in the other posts, however I can't get into that service menu dialing the short code.
Many thank in advance. Wes
I'm on S9080 and would love to know as well...