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I hate the Razer Phone...and love it

2 weeks ago I decided to try the Razer phone. I enjoy playing games on PC with a high refresh rate monitor, so I thought I would also enjoy the 120hz display on the Razer phone, and it turns out that I love the 120hz display, even though I don't play games on my phone. I do however read a lot of news feeds, which look fantastic on this display. A couple of days ago, I tried to go back to my Galaxy s9+ for the HD voice, headphone jack, and the great AMOLED display, but I couldn't use it for more than a few minutes. The Razer phone has ruined for me, every other phone on the market. I don't know if I'll ever be able to go back to a 60hz display. Does anyone else feel the same, or have you been able to go back to a normal phone?
I hate the Razer Phone because now I can never go back to a flagship with a 60hz display, and I really wanted to try Pixel 3 when it comes out. Now I know that even if the Pixel 3 has the best camera, the best software experience and whatever else it might have, I don't think I'll be able to use it because it won't have at least a 90hz display.

I feel the same. Any other phone feels plebby and with an useless refresh rate.
120hz Master Race

I switch from 120hz to 60hz from time to time to remind me how bad 60hz is on a phone now lol.

Sorry to hijack your thread I've been interested in the Razerphone since it's release, How are they with updates and kernel source on time or am I hoping for too much?

liam_davenport said:
Sorry to hijack your thread I've been interested in the Razerphone since it's release, How are they with updates and kernel source on time or am I hoping for too much?
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Kernel sources here, updates rolling out just now with July 2018 security patch (Android 8.1.0)....

chris5s said:
Kernel sources here, updates rolling out just now with July 2018 security patch (Android 8.1.0)....
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Ugh that's annoying to hear I guess I'll wait for the 2nd gen and see how it goes, Glad they're pushing sources with OTA's at least can build a kernel for it. Thanks

I'm exactly the same, every other phone looks laggy compared... I will not be able to change my phone unless it also has a high refresh rate screen. It's the same with PC gaming though, going back to 60Hz is just awful and I have no idea how I used to do it

Same as me this phone has destroyed every other device with a 60hz refresh rate. Typing this in chrome on my iPod and the scrolling is unbearable now.

While i got mine as soon as it came out i didn't have any issues... until last week i went on a family trip and couldn't see **** on the screen because of the low brightness and LCD panel, while i love the front facing speakers, the finger print sensor location and the 120hz, i will probably get the ROG phone because of the OLED screen @ 90hz and the Front Facing Speakers, i really doubt The Razer Phone 2 will fix this issue.

Honestly i agree. The 120hz display is just another world in mobile usage or mobile gaming.

Switching from S10+ worth it?

Every year I upgrade to the latest S series device. But I end up getting bored and honestly want something different in between. I'm highly considering getting the one plus 7 pro because of the new 90hz 6.7 display . Anyone make the switch from the S10+ and regret it? I used to love the idea of rooting and custom roms so that might be a nice touch to keep me interested in the device. Just wanted some opinions, the note 10+ also has my attention because of ufs3.1 and the slightly tweaked cameras. Price isn't really a factor

I did and haven't looked back...

More freedom and less bloatware

Don't upgrade from S10+, because it's the same processor. Wait until next year to get a phone with a X55 5G modem (better than this year's X50 5G).

Since your asking in the op7pro forum most will say this is the best what ever there reasons. But I've had the device 2 times and bought times got rid of it... 90hz refresh is a gimmick, not realistic... I've own the s10 plus and it does not have that much bloatware and almost everything is uninstallable. I didn't like the one plus design,you can root but meh more problems the stability, cameras have improved since launch but still not up to par, good battery life, sound is decent. The s10 plus had everything you could want and if you get the exynos you can root if you want. (and don't let yourself be fooled by reviews of exynos not being as good as SD it's not true) I've used it and played the same games on both s10 plus and op7pro. My recent op7pro I traded it for a mate 20 pro 8/256 twilight.... All I can say is this is the best phone I have ever used, yes it does have a notch but I have never mind that sound can come out low but there's an app that fixes thatthing else just insane. It haves a 60hz refresh and it feels smoother that any other Android I've had.

dami00976 said:
Since your asking in the op7pro forum most will say this is the best what ever there reasons. But I've had the device 2 times and bought times got rid of it... 90hz refresh is a gimmick, not realistic... I've own the s10 plus and it does not have that much bloatware and almost everything is uninstallable. I didn't like the one plus design,you can root but meh more problems the stability, cameras have improved since launch but still not up to par, good battery life, sound is decent. The s10 plus had everything you could want and if you get the exynos you can root if you want. (and don't let yourself be fooled by reviews of exynos not being as good as SD it's not true) I've used it and played the same games on both s10 plus and op7pro. My recent op7pro I traded it for a mate 20 pro 8/256 twilight.... All I can say is this is the best phone I have ever used, yes it does have a notch but I have never mind that sound can come out low but there's an app that fixes thatthing else just insane. It haves a 60hz refresh and it feels smoother that any other Android I've had.
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I agree 90Hz refresh is a gimmick. People experience a placebo-type effect, I think. The only worthwhile upgrade would come next year when X55 5G modems get used. The S10+ is fantastic, but I didn't buy it because of no bootloader unlock on US Snapdragon variants.

I bit the bullet and ordered one. Yes I realize it had the same basic specs, and I can live with the features I'll be losing. Worse case scenario I keep the S10+ and sell the 7 Pro. I'm praying the display is close to par with the AMOLED screen, and the larger screen size will be a bonus too. I'm expecting the software and the fluentness to impress me. Anyone know if there's a way to disable the volume slider though, not a fan of the physical slider.

90hz a gimmick? WTF? Yeh so are 120hz screens and 4k tv . You must be 1/100000 that can't notice the difference.

90hz IS ABSOLUTELY NOT a gimmick and every other phone to me looks painful after looking at amazing refresh rate of my phone. The 90hz is the real icing on top for this phone which is great in every single way. Great battery life which has been doing nothing but getting better with time due to the phone optimizing itself based on your usage. The screen is big and notch/ hole punch free and the sound is nice and loud while being crisp at the same time. And the camera is not the best but it's not disappointing either. I'm happy with it and I take a decent amount of pictures.
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90hz IS ABSOLUTELY NOT a gimmick and every other phone to me looks painful after looking at amazing refresh rate of my phone. The 90hz is the real icing on top for this phone which is great in every single way. Great battery life which has been doing nothing but getting better with time due to the phone optimizing itself based on your usage. The screen is big and notch/ hole punch free and the sound is nice and loud while being crisp at the same time. And the camera is not the best but it's not disappointing either. I'm happy with it and I take a decent amount of pictures.
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However, should you move from an S10+ to this
I'm not too sure about that. Unless it's an even trade or you throw in like 50 bucks towards it stay where you are.

dami00976 said:
Since your asking in the op7pro forum most will say this is the best what ever there reasons. But I've had the device 2 times and bought times got rid of it... 90hz refresh is a gimmick, not realistic... I've own the s10 plus and it does not have that much bloatware and almost everything is uninstallable. I didn't like the one plus design,you can root but meh more problems the stability, cameras have improved since launch but still not up to par, good battery life, sound is decent. The s10 plus had everything you could want and if you get the exynos you can root if you want. (and don't let yourself be fooled by reviews of exynos not being as good as SD it's not true) I've used it and played the same games on both s10 plus and op7pro. My recent op7pro I traded it for a mate 20 pro 8/256 twilight.... All I can say is this is the best phone I have ever used, yes it does have a notch but I have never mind that sound can come out low but there's an app that fixes thatthing else just insane. It haves a 60hz refresh and it feels smoother that any other Android I've had.
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Just Compare Pes 2019 on high settings on both exynos & sd. You'll know the difference. Regarding 90 hz I can say that after using this Device If I scroll in App Drawer in my Xs Max I can literally see the icons stuttering or dragging.
Screen Doesn't gets as bright but it is comparable to iPhone on natural mode. I would suggest OP if he's using a SD S10 he should stick with it. Also I would suggest to Uninstall the Netflix app pre installed,If You Don't want dark videos

equlizer said:
90hz a gimmick? WTF? Yeh so are 120hz screens and 4k tv . You must be 1/100000 that can't notice the difference.
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Apparently, running at 90Hz slightly decreases graphical performance on the OnePlus 7 Pro.

Don't switch from a S10 - you won't notice enough benefit.
Sure, having a screen with no notches or cutouts is nice; and yes, *some* things look better at 90Hz, but it kills your battery quicker, and actually, I don't really mind about scrolling smoothness in Chrome - I'd far rather like the extra refresh in all games (which you DON'T get right now).
Also, you'll loose wireless charging, IP68, and being honest, a bit of build quality. If you're really thinking of leaving the S10, how about going to the Note 10 instead?

stuclark said:
Don't switch from a S10 - you won't notice enough benefit.
Sure, having a screen with no notches or cutouts is nice; and yes, *some* things look better at 90Hz, but it kills your battery quicker, and actually, I don't really mind about scrolling smoothness in Chrome - I'd far rather like the extra refresh in all games (which you DON'T get right now).
Also, you'll loose wireless charging, IP68, and being honest, a bit of build quality. If you're really thinking of leaving the S10, how about going to the Note 10 instead?
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As someone who has tried both, there is a huge difference. The S10+ is a laughable phone compared to the OP7Pro. Scrolling looks laggy, apps open slower, worse game performance, worse thermals, Terrible standby drain, Ugly front camera, Slow fingerprint, broken Snapchat camera, etc. The list goes on and on

jhofseth said:
I agree 90Hz refresh is a gimmick. People experience a placebo-type effect, I think. The only worthwhile upgrade would come next year when X55 5G modems get used. The S10+ is fantastic, but I didn't buy it because of no bootloader unlock on US Snapdragon variants.
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90hz gimmick. Placebo effect lmaoooo.... 90hz 120hz. Is the future. Processors are already fast enought and are limited by the 60hz hardware. What 90hz does is increase os fluidity(smoothness) by 50%. Now when i loom at my iphone xs max which suppost to be the smoothest phone around. It look jerky stuttery and not smooth.... Not because it is, is because of the 60hz limitation. Is the same that your car is really fast. Can beat most car on a race.... Now u demo a much faster car (50% faster). U will be so impress....that When u go back to ur car. U will feel it so slow.... Not because it is. Is because u demo a much faster car. After a few day of driving ur car u will then again see that ur car is fast. Same with 90hz 120hz

eduardmc said:
90hz gimmick. Placebo effect lmaoooo.... 90hz 120hz. Is the future. Processors are already fast enought and are limited by the 60hz hardware. What 90hz does is increase os fluidity(smoothness) by 50%. Now when i loom at my iphone xs max which suppost to be the smoothest phone around. It look jerky stuttery and not smooth.... Not because it is, is because of the 60hz limitation. Is the same that your car is really fast. Can beat most car on a race.... Now u demo a much faster car (50% faster). U will be so impress....that When u go back to ur car. U will feel it so slow.... Not because it is. Is because u demo a much faster car. After a few day of driving ur car u will then again see that ur car is fast. Same with 90hz 120hz
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You need to compare apples to apples: the only meaningful comparison is the OnePlus 7 Pro to itself. For example, tell a friend to switch it 60Hz or 90Hz and not tell you which one; then, without checking settings, see if you can guess which is which.

jhofseth said:
https://youtu.be/7BuP4W5Cae4
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Speed Test G: OnePlus 7 Pro 60Hz vs 90Hz
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Apparently, running at 90Hz slightly decreases graphical performance on the OnePlus 7 Pro.
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No it doesnt. There app not optimize for 90hz,. Just like benchmarking apps which even if un have 90hz will run the 3d games a 60hz... Now use the mod of forcing 90hz on everything. By the way. I get 9hour sot forcing 90hz all time and 1440p (qhd). I hear people complaining that it drain ur battery. Like if 90hz u will only get 2 hour sot. .. if 9hour sot with 90hz on is not good enough. I really know no what are people expecting

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You need to compare apples to apples: the only meaningful comparison is the OnePlus 7 Pro to itself. For example, tell a friend to switch it 60Hz or 90Hz and not tell you which one; then, without checking settings, see if you can guess which is which.
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This is absolutely correct. Anything else is like saying "Concorde is a faster plane than a spitfire" - they're NOT comparable!
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Arden144 said:
As someone who has tried both, there is a huge difference. The S10+ is a laughable phone compared to the OP7Pro. Scrolling looks laggy, apps open slower, worse game performance, worse thermals, Terrible standby drain, Ugly front camera, Slow fingerprint, broken Snapchat camera, etc. The list goes on and on
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I was unaware that Snapchat had dedicated cameras on either the S10+ *OR* the OnePlus 7 Pro. I stopped bothering to read after that statement!

I didn't like the s10+ and I switched to Op7 pro.
Another planet imho, I really enjoy this phone and I never miss my s10+, cameras too.
Exynos s10+ is garbage imho, really not such a good device as review tell.
OP7 pro beats/pair s10+ in everything in my daily use, and this is my first OnePlus phone...Never going back to Samsung honestly!
Sreen is so better on op7 pro in my opinion, never liked the s10+ screen because of reduced blue light filter.
Oh, and vibration. Dude, really? The vibration on op7 pro is gorgeous...
Warp charge destroy s10+ exynos charge time, and battery is similar but op7 pro doesn't consume so much on standby and when using camera.
My op7 pro never get hot when I'm using it.
Just some random thoughts...
Love this phone!
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Another positive OnePlus 7Pro review today...

jhofseth said:
You need to compare apples to apples: the only meaningful comparison is the OnePlus 7 Pro to itself. For example, tell a friend to switch it 60Hz or 90Hz and not tell you which one; then, without checking settings, see if you can guess which is which.
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bruh..i mean i get it, some are fanboys and like their brand, but honestly... 90hz is definately noticable if you dont see it you just wont accept that something beats your loved phone somewhere
and the exynos samsung phones are just not worth the price, the processor is just garbage compared to the sd variants (compared a note 9 with exynos with s9 with sd and s9 was better in nearly every way)
anyway back to the topic:
samsung phones have more, if not all features you want or need, like if you already have a samsung device (watch eg) it makes sense to stay with samsung because it seems to function just better, but if you want a clean smooth experience just grab a op7 pro and feel good

90 vs 60 and Resolution

I am using 60Hz refresh rate as well as FHD+
I do not watch high resolution movies on my phone (I prefer an 80" TV for that) but I have tried running the phone at 90HZ and QHD+ and I just do not see, or feel any difference! My scrolling through apps, and pictures, and web pages move just as fast on 60Hz as they do on 90Hz. The screen resolution also does not appear to change at all between FHD and QHD. Don't get me wrong, my phone is on 10 and running like a champ! I do not know if my battery would run out sooner on the higher rates but I just think that this thing is so fast as it is with all the top line hardware that running it at the higher rates would just use more battery with very limited, to no real benefit.
Am I the only one who feels this way?

As someone who uses a 144Hz gaming display and 90Hz OP7Pro daily 60Hz is painfully choppy...

jaseman said:
I am using 60Hz refresh rate as well as FHD+
I do not watch high resolution movies on my phone (I prefer an 80" TV for that) but I have tried running the phone at 90HZ and QHD+ and I just do not see, or feel any difference! My scrolling through apps, and pictures, and web pages move just as fast on 60Hz as they do on 90Hz. The screen resolution also does not appear to change at all between FHD and QHD. Don't get me wrong, my phone is on 10 and running like a champ! I do not know if my battery would run out sooner on the higher rates but I just think that this thing is so fast as it is with all the top line hardware that running it at the higher rates would just use more battery with very limited, to no real benefit.
Am I the only one who feels this way?
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I would like to know why you bought a 1440p 90hz panel if you wish to use 1080p 60? 1440p is obviously more sharper and cleaner image and higher refreshrate = smoother experience I hate to see these comments "I don't see the difference" I always feel like the user is blind to me the difference is so obvious. But as the comment bellow I also game on a 144hz panel so anything less is choppy to me too. So I guess if you never used a high refresh panel it might be not noticeable to you.

liam_davenport said:
I would like to know why you bought a 1440p 90hz panel if you wish to use 1080p 60? 1440p is obviously more sharper and cleaner image and higher refreshrate = smoother experience I hate to see these comments "I don't see the difference" I always feel like the user is blind to me the difference is so obvious. But as the comment bellow I also game on a 144hz panel so anything less is choppy to me too. So I guess if you never used a high refresh panel it might be not noticeable to you.
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I do not play games on a phone. I have more important things to do with a $700.00 tool. I see just fine. I do not buy a phone based on screen refresh rate or resolution. 1080p on a 6 inch screen is better than many 55 inch TV's. I buy my phones based on price, battery size, and a few other features. So my perception is not wrong. I have tried multiple combinations of the various settings and there is LITTLE to NO appreciable difference! Maybe it makes a difference for games, but come on, games? Oh well, to each his own!

Liam definitely has a point. Although I never use 1080 I can understand how 1440 might not be a big enough difference that the extra battery is worth it. However the 90hz is much smoother during everyday use than 60hz. I use forced 90 and it hurts scrolling in any other phone. Don't know how much it affects games

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I do not play games on a phone. I have more important things to do with a $700.00 tool. I see just fine. I do not buy a phone based on screen refresh rate or resolution. 1080p on a 6 inch screen is better than many 55 inch TV's. I buy my phones based on price, battery size, and a few other features. So my perception is not wrong. I have tried multiple combinations of the various settings and there is LITTLE to NO appreciable difference! Maybe it makes a difference for games, but come on, games? Oh well, to each his own!
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I'm pretty sure he was talking about gaming on a 144hz monitor, not on his phone.
So theoretically going from 144hz to 60hz would be a HUGE difference and would definitely be noticeable.

jaseman said:
I do not play games on a phone. I have more important things to do with a $700.00 tool. I see just fine. I do not buy a phone based on screen refresh rate or resolution. 1080p on a 6 inch screen is better than many 55 inch TV's. I buy my phones based on price, battery size, and a few other features. So my perception is not wrong. I have tried multiple combinations of the various settings and there is LITTLE to NO appreciable difference! Maybe it makes a difference for games, but come on, games? Oh well, to each his own!
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90Hz is not only good for gaming. There's was a time when Google Chrome stopped supporting 90Hz (I think it was a month ago). At the very first second I was using Chrome with 60Hz without knowing I just thought "wtf why is it so laggy". So yeah, the difference between 60Hz and 90Hz is very big. Glad chrome supports 90Hz again.

90Hz ftw!

I guess it all boils down to not only "what" you do on your phone, but also "how" you choose to do it...as in which app(s) you choose to get things done. I keep changing settings and even rebooting between changes just to make sure they really take. And I do not see any appreciable difference! Not trying to make trouble, not disparaging this phone at all because I am enjoying it very much! But for me, the way I use it, and the apps that are important to me..the faster refresh rate as well as the higher resolution are anecdotal at best. The whole purpose of this thread for me was to make sure that my phone was truly working properly when using the higher settings. Evidently it is??? YMMV

This is an age-old battle and it's pointless as this is very subjective and changes over time.
Understand that it is normal for a person not to percieve huge difference between 60 and 90Hz if you are used to 60 and going to 90 short term. Your brain needs time to adjust and "speed up" your perception and it takes weeks or months. After that period of getting used to the fluidity of higher refresh display, going back to 60 should seem like a slideshow. Someone used to 60Hz will not see a huge difference, someone coming from 144Hz will immediatelly feel the screen lag at 60. Another thing is dark mode, dark mode indirectly raises your pixel response times, making movement more blurry and the 90Hz less prominent.
As for resolution on this phone, you can clearly see the small text in browsers is more blurry and causes more eye fatigue.
At the end of the day if you value the battery more than screen clarity, it's better to keep both low before you spoil yourself and there's no going back

we all know that on Android 9, not all the apps runs at 90Hz inclued Chrome, the reason is the battery consumption of course
idk if this still true on Android 10, but Chrome is runing at 90Hz on Android 10
so i guess, 1+ unlock the 90Hz to more apps, still mix it with the 60Hz to optimize the battery, so that is why we kind of dont see any differences
the only method to compare is download the Auto90 app from appstore, force the phone to runs at 90Hz all the time then you'll see there is differences or not

I dont mind about resolution since FHD+ is more than Reasonable with color tuning , but the frame rate is one of the main pros of one plus new line up .
So i force all them 90hz on all apps . Leaving iphone users insecurely baffled

I'm usually on a 240hz monitor. The 90hz screen is very nice feeling and whenever I look at my 6t I want to throw up.

^^LOL, good one's

Should I get a Pixel 3a after a Sony Compact?

Hello, I have different questions on this device and I would be really thankfull if someone can answer at some of them.
I come from xperia xz2 compact which overall is great but app side looks outdate. No gesture system and sony apps are the same of two years ago.
I know the Pixel is bigger but I don't see any real alternative now. So here come my questions...
It's my first OLED. Is it true that they not last as long as LCD? I hope to use this phone for 2 years at last.
Does this pixel get all the updates and features of newer pixels? All base apps get updated?
Can I disable some of the google apps like I do on other phones?
Can I remove the google search on home or the pixel launcher is not giving me choice?
Does the kernel get higher over time or like other phones it get stuck on the release one?
Is there anything weird about pixel that you don't usually get on other phones?
Yeah I know that the cpu is a downgrade. But maybe I care more to get fresh software.
Thank you so much if you spend time to give me some hint.

xperianotfun said:
Hello, I have different questions on this device and I would be really thankfull if someone can answer at some of them.
I come from xperia xz2 compact which overall is great but app side looks outdate. No gesture system and sony apps are the same of two years ago.
I know the Pixel is bigger but I don't see any real alternative now. So here come my questions...
It's my first OLED. Is it true that they not last as long as LCD? I hope to use this phone for 2 years at last.
Does this pixel get all the updates and features of newer pixels? All base apps get updated?
Can I disable some of the google apps like I do on other phones?
Can I remove the google search on home or the pixel launcher is not giving me choice?
Does the kernel get higher over time or like other phones it get stuck on the release one?
Is there anything weird about pixel that you don't usually get on other phones?
Yeah I know that the cpu is a downgrade. But maybe I care more to get fresh software.
Thank you so much if you spend time to give me some hint.
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I've been using this smartphone for 6 months now and my previous one was a Sony Xperia XZ2 , so it's basically the same situation as yours.
I always loved Sony smartphones and I keep doing it, but Pixels are on a totally different level, I would suggest the upgrade.
Anyway, to answer to your questions:
-It's my first OLED too, but I doubt it will last less than 2 years
-Yes it does, unless they are exclusive of newer models (Pixel 4). Since the launch of Pixel 4 they already ported to the 3a Astrophotography, Live Captions, Styles personalizations, etc.. But Google said that they are not going to bring for example other things like the contrast slider for photo shoots, which remains a Pixel 4 exclusive
-Yes
-The google search bar is integrated into the launcher, you should change launcher in order to get rid of it
-I didn't check the version over the updates, but at the moment is 4.9.185
-Nothing weird, IMHO is a powerful device with a great price

marcogiannetta said:
I've been using this smartphone for 6 months now and my previous one was a Sony Xperia XZ2 , so it's basically the same situation as yours.
I always loved Sony smartphones and I keep doing it, but Pixels are on a totally different level, I would suggest the upgrade.
Anyway, to answer to your questions:
-It's my first OLED too, but I doubt it will last less than 2 years
-Yes it does, unless they are exclusive of newer models (Pixel 4). Since the launch of Pixel 4 they already ported to the 3a Astrophotography, Live Captions, Styles personalizations, etc.. But Google said that they are not going to bring for example other things like the contrast slider for photo shoots, which remains a Pixel 4 exclusive
-Yes
-The google search bar is integrated into the launcher, you should change launcher in order to get rid of it
-I didn't check the version over the updates, but at the moment is 4.9.185
-Nothing weird, IMHO is a powerful device with a great price
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Thank you for you time. :angel:
That kernel version is the initial android 10 kernel. So they maybe update only on new android big versions.
Would you say that the screen quality is good compared compared to xz2? Can colors be natural? I'm using professional colors on mine.
You basically come from my same device. So it's nice to see that you see the pixel as an upgrade.

xperianotfun said:
Thank you for you time. :angel:
That kernel version is the initial android 10 kernel. So they maybe update only on new android big versions.
Would you say that the screen quality is good compared compared to xz2? Can colors be natural? I'm using professional colors on mine.
You basically come from my same device. So it's nice to see that you see the pixel as an upgrade.
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Well, to be honest I consider the two displays almost on the same level, cause the xz2's LCD was way better than any other LCD I've seen around.
The 3a OLED is very good for its price, but under strong sunlight it may struggle to be visible.

xperianotfun said:
Would you say that the screen quality is good compared compared to xz2? Can colors be natural? I'm using professional colors on mine.
You basically come from my same device. So it's nice to see that you see the pixel as an upgrade.
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Regarding the display, it's really is not very bright, but custom kernels (e.g. ElementalX, I think) can provide a high brightness mode for direct sunlight.
If you want a really long in-depth review, xda's Dylan Raga has written a display review, but there's also a quick overview as Pros and Cons.
For other users' opinions, there is always the Real Life Review forum section to check out, it also has a display section.
Personally I also use the Natural profile. It seems bland at first compared to Adaptive (default setting), because it's not slightly oversaturated, but given Natural is more accurate, I'm quite happy without the additional color pop.

marcogiannetta said:
Pixels are on a totally different level, I would suggest the upgrade.
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May I ask you why you find Pixel so better?
sysuicrash0511 said:
Personally I also use the Natural profile. It seems bland at first compared to Adaptive (default setting), because it's not slightly oversaturated, but given Natural is more accurate, I'm quite happy without the additional color pop.
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Thanks. That article is really intersting. But what is scaring me now about OLED is that often people get headache since the screen flickers.
Based on this review: https://www.notebookcheck.net/PWM-Ranking-Notebooks-Smartphones-and-Tablets-with-PWM.163979.0.html
Over 500 Hz should not be an issue but under 250 Hz it could. This pixel is just 270 Hz...
My phone is 2381 Hz and the phone I had before it had no flickering at all.

xperianotfun said:
May I ask you why you find Pixel so better?
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Camera (and flash, which was ridiculous on the xperia) and audio are two of the main reasons.
Also battery is a huge improvement to me, cause I use to cover about 5 hours of SOT with the XZ2, now I get up to 7.
The only thing I miss is Dynamic Vibration, it was such a nice feature

xperianotfun said:
Thanks. That article is really intersting. But what is scaring me now about OLED is that often people get headache since the screen flickers.
Based on this review: https://www.notebookcheck.net/PWM-Ranking-Notebooks-Smartphones-and-Tablets-with-PWM.163979.0.html
Over 500 Hz should not be an issue but under 250 Hz it could. This pixel is just 270 Hz...
My phone is 2381 Hz and the phone I had before it had no flickering at all.
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This is news to me, so I did some research.
In case it's also news to someone else, these frequencies aren't related to display refresh rate, which flagship nowadays increase above 60hz.
From what I understand (as a layman) it's basically modulating the current or voltage to an average by switching the supply on and off within that frequency, effectively controlling brightness.
I can't say I did experience headaches or eye strain, so I might not be the best person to answer this, but I usually use my phones' display quite dim. Shouldn't the frequency decrease and make flickering more noticeable (more waves and longer intervals being off)? Maybe I'm getting it wrong though.
What also caught my attention in your linked table is how many other popular phones sit around these lower frequencies, and only one iPhone ranks slightly higher than the 3a. There are LCDs as well, maybe it's not limited to OLED. But there surely is someone more knowledgeable than me.

Just a quick review. The screen is not even comparable with the xz2c. It feels cheap. But the worst part is the view angle. If you are not in front of the screen the colors really change a lot. And you tend to see the colors changing while you use the phone. ?
You get used to it though. Is just weird if you compare them.
If the screen is all black there is some fading lighter on some side.
On really low light I notice that as example, the keyboard have a shade color instead of being unique.
Night light is less warm.
I don't get stressed by eyes or mind looking at it.
The pixel launcher doesn't allow me to even disable the "ok google" voice detection. I'm considering to swap it. But not sure what will happen with the app switcher.
(if you don't use google at all you can disable the google app and this will disable voice detection while the search bar will be still there as just a picture doing nothing)
Everything else is fine. The phone feels really great in hand and is lighter. Charging is faster.
I'm noticing how feature that are missing versus pixel 4 are not all relevant to hardward or whatever. And some of them are nonsense. Like live wallpapers. So I'm not sure how much really updated the Pixel will stay in time versus another phone except security patches.

I just got used to the screen. And now looks just fine. Except the angle view but I don't care enough. Also the touch is so responsive.
I think this phone is amzing. Is all around balanced, the experience is fluid and clean. So handy and light. Also doesn't attract dust at all. Fast charge.
I'm enjoing display ambient always on, I never thought that could be a good thing but it's really nice.
I just forgot I'm using this phone, it just doesn't distract me.
I would not say photos are so much better in general but they are just a lot better in not perfect light condition.

Checked my screen for a few minutes. There is indeed a *slight* variation in colors when viewing at an angle, which is noticeable only on white backgrounds (and I am in dark mode
Screen should last much longer than 2 years: especially in the EU where legal warranty is 2y.

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Checked my screen for a few minutes. There is indeed a *slight* variation in colors when viewing at an angle, which is noticeable only on white backgrounds (and I am in dark mode
Screen should last much longer than 2 years: especially in the EU where legal warranty is 2y.
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Yeah it's not that much. It was just the first sight. If you come from lcd for like your life, oled is really weird. But you get used to it really easy and after that it's great.
I hope it last. This phone is perfect for basic use.

Question Are we going to talk about this 60hz nonsense?

This was an INSTANT buy for me with even a 90hz screen. WTH google? I understand you want to save battery life, but if the Tensor can handle 120 would it really hog so much juice at 90? did you have a bunch of 60hz screens lying around??

I really did want this to be my next phone but I wanted a newer looking screen and this does not feel like "it"

Is it really a 60Hz display, I was planning to get this phone!

I was specting better specs, now at Spain Pixel 6 costs 579 € and the upcoming Pixel 6a will cost 459€. It's not a big difference, and you have to renounce to all this great sweets:
120 Hz
50 MP Camera
IP 68 WR
Wireless charging
Better materials...
Consider it are 24€ each
Now I'm considering to buy a Pixel 6 to change my old (and great) Pixel 3

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Is it really a 60Hz display, I was planning to get this phone!
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yep. i keep looking to see if they're like "suprise! just kidding its 90" but no

WTF cares about display refresh rates? Are we going to talk about giant display size nonsense? I too wanted the 6a, but the phone's size is for Hulk hands, so I am getting iPhone mini.

Meh. I have a 120hz screen on my OnePlus 9 and shut it off to save battery.

kkm6761 said:
WTF cares about display refresh rates? Are we going to talk about giant display size nonsense? I too wanted the 6a, but the phone's size is for Hulk hands, so I am getting iPhone mini.
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They're not as giant as you think because they've gone to stupidly tall and skinny aspect ratios. Even the P6P with a so-called 6.71" screen, is not as big of a screen as a Nexus 6 with 5.95" screen.

Eventually you should wait. In germany Mediamarkt and Amazon had a sale and dropped the Pixel 6 for 441€. This is 18€ lower than the P6a. I also looked forward to the P6a but at that price? Idk
Furthermore the P6a has gorilla glas 3. For this price in 2022 it should have at least gg5.
Maybe you should wait for a sellout of the P6 as well or wait for an insane price drop of the P6a

This is especially painful for Indian android enthusiasts, We didn't get a Pixel device since Pixel 4A. Despite being the second-largest smartphone market in the world, we didn't get pixel 6 or 6 pro. and now we are getting this 6a with sub-par specs. There are no good phones in the Indian market for enthusiasts. Only Moto edge 30 series comes close to pixels, but that too, with limited dev support on XDA, making it unappealing for people like us.

90 hz would have been ok but not 60 in 2022. I'd expect the price to be close enough to the standard Pixel to make that the no brainer choice unless you are really offended by the FPS on that one.

the moto edge 30 (144hz) and nothing 1 (120hz) both have high refreshrate screens, even 90hz is bad for the price tbh.

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WTF cares about display refresh rates? Are we going to talk about giant display size nonsense? I too wanted the 6a, but the phone's size is for Hulk hands, so I am getting iPhone mini.
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Any Smartphone in 2022 above $300 should not have a 6oHz panel to be honest, the cost of high refresh rates screen has gone down enough, google just tripping right now

I personally don't mind the 60Hz. I have the Pixel 4XL that can go up to 90Hz but I keep it turned off because 90Hz drains battery faster. As long as I'm not comparing 60Hz vs 90Hz vs 120Hz phones side by side, I really don't notice a big difference in everyday use, or in other words, the 60Hz display doesn't bother me at all.

It's a joke to have 60Hz in a 2022 midranger especially when most other android phones with higher refresh rate are available for less price. Atleast it should have been 90Hz.
But it's kinda pointless discussing this topic imo, bcoz Google will not be able to increase the RR of 6a. It's 60Hz and so it's like either buy it or buy another phone.

Who even freaking cares... Spend a little extra and get the 6.. 60hz on a phone screen the size of your hand, not a make or break feature at all.

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It's a joke to have 60Hz in a 2022 midranger especially when most other android phones with higher refresh rate are available for less price. Atleast it should have been 90Hz.
But it's kinda pointless discussing this topic imo, bcoz Google will not be able to increase the RR of 6a. It's 60Hz and so it's like either buy it or buy another phone.
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It's a joke to aimlessly complain about something like refresh rate on a budget phone. Go spend more money and get something better

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It's a joke to aimlessly complain about something like refresh rate on a budget phone. Go spend more money and get something better
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When budget phones with 90/120Hz refresh rate cost lower than this "budget phone" with 60Hz, the discussion to defend it becomes a joke.

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When budget phones with 90/120Hz refresh rate cost lower than this "budget phone" with 60Hz, the discussion to defend it becomes a joke.
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I don't think they're defending it so much as wtf cares? If you're concerned about it look elsewhere whether or not it's less expensive or more expensive. Basically you don't want it then don't buy it. What purpose is it to criticize them other than simple bashing?