Can anyone confirm whether the G3 supports Doze?
It isn't mentioned in the Android M changelog for the G3, but is present in the Moto X Style changelog.
Moreover, Doze requires a 'significant motion detector' sensor to work, and sensor apps report it missing on the Moto G. Could it be because of the Sensor Hub/ lack of gyroscope?
To check whether Doze actually works: https://www.reddit.com/r/nexus5x/comments/3y8144/guide_finding_battery_issues_with_googles_battery/
tldr: take a bug report, extract the txt from the zip and upload it to Battery Historian 2.0
I looked at the output of my phone, there was no Doze bar, which means Doze did not even activate. Installed the new Greenify and forced aggressive Doze, which seemed to trigger Doze.
I'm not adding this to the general/battery thread as this is a separate issue.
Don't know if the G3 supports doze as I'm still waiting for the MM update (EU version).
But lack of gyroscope / suitable sensors _hardware_ is certainly not an issue.
See Google's specification for doze and SMD API.
https://source.android.com/devices/tech/power/mgmt.html
http://source.android.com/devices/sensors/sensor-types.html#significant_motion
The accelerometer in the G3 is perfectly fine for this purpose.
Might just be that Motorola has screwed in properly exposing this via the SMD API.
Its says we have doze here
http://motorola-blog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/marshmallow-and-smore.html
Doze mode isn't an "option" in Marshmallow, all devices will have it, it is a part of the core OS.
So yes, the Moto G has Doze Mode.
acejavelin said:
Doze mode isn't an "option" in Marshmallow, all devices will have it, it is a part of the core OS.
So yes, the Moto G has Doze Mode.
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Yes it's part oft the core OS. Question is whether Moto G3 can make use of it. And that's only the case if a sensor like e.g. accelerometer is properly exposed via hal to trigger significant motion events.
Something which Motorola at least for the Moto G 2014 in the MM update apparently did not do for some reason. In CM13 devs were able to do it though. See discussions in Moto G 2014 forum.
So the question if Doze is properly working on Moto G3 or if Motorola also missed to properly expose the sensor is quite valid.
with greenify and root we can enable aggressive doze.... and seem to works
u42671 said:
Yes it's part oft the core OS. Question is whether Moto G3 can make use of it. And that's only the case if a sensor like e.g. accelerometer is properly exposed via hal to trigger significant motion events.
Something which Motorola at least for the Moto G 2014 in the MM update apparently did not do for some reason. In CM13 devs were able to do it though. See discussions in Moto G 2014 forum.
So the question if Doze is properly working on Moto G3 or if Motorola also missed to properly expose the sensor is quite valid.
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I know, but it seems like the Significant Motion Detector sensor hasn't been exposed (to apps atleast); Doze cannot function without it.
Doze require the SMD sensor and GCM support.
..::Matr!x::.. said:
with greenify and root we can enable aggressive doze.... and seem to works
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I know, my phone goes into Doze with Greenify, doesn't work without Greenify.
u42671 said:
Yes it's part oft the core OS. Question is whether Moto G3 can make use of it. And that's only the case if a sensor like e.g. accelerometer is properly exposed via hal to trigger significant motion events.
Something which Motorola at least for the Moto G 2014 in the MM update apparently did not do for some reason. In CM13 devs were able to do it though. See discussions in Moto G 2014 forum.
So the question if Doze is properly working on Moto G3 or if Motorola also missed to properly expose the sensor is quite valid.
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The point is, we know it's there... it is even mentioned in the release notes: https://motorola-mobility-en-in.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/108725
Wait, now I am questioning myself... "App Standby" - is that Doze Mode or not?
Because according to this I am not sure now...
acejavelin said:
The point is, we know it's there... it is even mentioned in the release notes: https://motorola-mobility-en-in.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/108725
Wait, now I am questioning myself... "App Standby" - is that Doze Mode or not?
Because according to this I am not sure now...
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App Standby and Doze are indeed two different things. I suppose there is a reason why in the Moto G release notes Motorola mentions only App Standby, while in the Moto X release notes both Doze and App Standby are mentioned...
https://motorola-mobility-en-in.custhelp.com/app/answers/prod_answer_detail/a_id/108821
But people have been getting better battery timings when the phone is kept stable and without any movement whatsoever.
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theundead176 said:
But people have been getting better battery timings when the phone is kept stable and without any movement whatsoever.
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The old addage... Correlation does not imply causation. Just because that is the case does mean the reason for it is Doze mode, there are other optimizations in Marshmallow besides Doze Mode, like App Standby, and perhaps just optimized code that could account for the difference, which for most users is not hugely significant which it should be with Doze mode.
Techguy18 said:
Can anyone confirm whether the G3 supports Doze?
It isn't mentioned in the Android M changelog for the G3, but is present in the Moto X Style changelog.
Moreover, Doze requires a 'significant motion detector' sensor to work, and sensor apps report it missing on the Moto G. Could it be because of the Sensor Hub/ lack of gyroscope?
To check whether Doze actually works: https://www.reddit.com/r/nexus5x/comments/3y8144/guide_finding_battery_issues_with_googles_battery/
tldr: take a bug report, extract the txt from the zip and upload it to Battery Historian 2.0
I looked at the output of my phone, there was no Doze bar, which means Doze did not even activate. Installed the new Greenify and forced aggressive Doze, which seemed to trigger Doze.
I'm not adding this to the general/battery thread as this is a separate issue.
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install greenify and go to aggressive doze. dont enable it, just enable the notifications. leave your phone for 3 hours, and then check. you'll see greenify saying your phone was in doze from time to time. which means you have doze.
i've been reading this everywhere that our g3 doesnt have doze. weird how a rumor spreads so bad. doze is a core OS function and motorola cannot seem to do anything to disable it.
Because I googled around and I am not sure, some say it's built into the core of the OS, and others say it does need a gyroscope.
Any idea?
Well if I have Greenify set to keep logs and nothing else it reports that is been in doze.
I ran Doze Checker a few weeks back (got it from XDA) and according to the app the G3 lacks the sensors to properly support Doze.
JohannesKauffmann said:
I ran Doze Checker a few weeks back (got it from XDA) and according to the app the G3 lacks the sensors to properly support Doze.
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Huh.... I have a Moto X play and when I turn on aggressive doze It Greenify it DOES work according to the notifications, Gsam reports Doze as well, thing is, it also doesn't have a gyro scope.
Moto G3 does support aggressive doze mode. No special sensors required for this.
Only the movement based doze mode (doze checker only checks for this one) is not supported due to lack of a gyroscope.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.franco.doze&hl=en This does a pretty decent job whether native Doze is fully supported or not.
I have recently came to know that Marshmallow has given option to change Doze parameters.So I installed Doze Parameter editor.So can any body provide a good setting of Doze parameter for better battery performance?
I was using quite a lot the ultimate power saving feature that's available on stock P2 ROM through the HW slider. Now I'm on LineageOS 14.1. I suppose there's no way of getting the stock feature to a custom ROM. Is the any alternative, like an app, that would be providing something similar? The built-in LineageOS Extreme power saver is not that aggressive at all. It don't require it to be tied to the HW slider. And it can require root privileges.
There is an xposed module named powernap. You can try that.
It is not in development anymore but it works for nougat.
Otherwise. Try
Naptime
Force doze
Or Greenify. (Needs setup, add apps etc)
I've been having sub-par battery life while idle on aosp roms. I've come across something (https://source.android.com/devices/tech/power/platform_mgmt#doze) which states doze on aosp is disabled. Could an app like greenify be used to enable it or is there some other way?