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I tried posting this in the Q/A section a couple of weeks ago,, with no luck. I thought I'd try here.
Please answer the question IF AND ONLY IF you are currently using the Verizon Retail Galaxy Note 4, SM-N910V, the one that is currently unrootable and has a locked bootloader. NOT the Developer Edition, where that particular bootloader IS unlocked and also this unit HAS been rooted.
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I've read that people have been manually editing root files to get their Note 4's to correctly read the mA rating on extended batteries, or using apps that will calibrate your phone w/ your battery, and these apps require root access.
Have YOU, as a user of the Verizon RETAIL (NOT DE) Galaxy Note 4, tried using an extended battery, whether it be the 10,000 mA ZeroLemon Battery, the Hyperion 8,000 mA battery, or something else, and been successful in getting your device to correctly recognize the new battery capacity and does the percentage decrease correctly?
This is where I'm coming from. I'm on the Verizon Retail Note 4 and I have a ZeroLemon battery. It's still under warranty, but I'm about to send it back for a replacement. Basically, my phone would never recognize any different battery other than the stock size of 3220 mA. Not only that, the ZeroLemon would drain in percentage at the same rate of the stock battery, and stay at 1% for another 12 hours or so.
That said, I've heard people have had better luck with the Hyperion battery, in terms of getting the phone to recognize the battery, better, for whatever reason. What I DO NOT know, is if these are rooted and/or unlocked users of another carrier or not, or if the Hyperion battery is of better quality or of a different battery type.
Can someone comment on the issue, please?
No one has shown proof abd have had it duplicated that modding and file will show proper mah and correct battery life for zerolemon. Yes I have a note 4 from tmobile. And I have a hyperion that works perfect without any mod. The reason is hyperion is a single cell battery. Zerolemon is tricell. As per samsung tech not customer service. It will never read correct cause it does not drain equally. Will always give false reading.
BAD ASS NOTE 4
BACARDILIMON said:
No one has shown proof abd have had it duplicated that modding and file will show proper mah and correct battery life for zerolemon. Yes I have a note 4 from tmobile. And I have a hyperion that works perfect without any mod. The reason is hyperion is a single cell battery. Zerolemon is tricell. As per samsung tech not customer service. It will never read correct cause it does not drain equally. Will always give false reading.
BAD ASS NOTE 4
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Thank you for replying, and I do respect your opinion, even though you're a Tmobile user. Just a long shot, is there any knowledge of an app out there that can associate/calibrate the Note 4 with a TriCell battery, or would be able to help at all w/ the drainage %?
I have the anker 6400 MAH. I posted a review here http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/accessories/review-anker-6400-mah-extended-battery-t3093619
you can see the battery both charge and discharge with the correct percentage drop, because it is not a tri-cell it is just a larger battery.
as far as i know the tri-cell will and has always done this. there is some discussion in the note 3 forum on it also.
there are claims that editing would help but I remain unconvinced.
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Thank you for replying, and I do respect your opinion, even though you're a Tmobile user. Just a long shot, is there any knowledge of an app out there that can associate/calibrate the Note 4 with a TriCell battery, or would be able to help at all w/ the drainage %?
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It is a hardware issue. All the zerolemon is 3 battery poorly glued together with tiny wire to connect them all so only one battery makes a connection with the phones pins. So as that drains down it feeds of the other one and that feeds off the last one. It just a bad design. So no app will ever fix that.
BAD ASS NOTE 4
cnlson said:
I have the anker 6400 MAH. I posted a review here http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/accessories/review-anker-6400-mah-extended-battery-t3093619
you can see the battery both charge and discharge with the correct percentage drop, because it is not a tri-cell it is just a larger battery.
as far as i know the tri-cell will and has always done this. there is some discussion in the note 3 forum on it also.
there are claims that editing would help but I remain unconvinced.
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Let me ask you something. Lets say you use an app, like Charging TIme, which tells you the mA of the battery at full capacity, there might be other apps that do the same thing, or there might be a way to find out in the stock settings, that I don't know how. Would your battery register at 6400 mah or 3220?
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Let me ask you something. Lets say you use an app, like Charging TIme, which tells you the mA of the battery at full capacity, there might be other apps that do the same thing, or there might be a way to find out in the stock settings, that I don't know how. Would your battery register at 6400 mah or 3220?
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Here you go, both the stock and extended, no different in that app, however, you can see the graphs it works correctly.
Found this method in a S8 forum and tried it on my new S9+
With a file manager go to root folder
Sys --> class ---> power supply ---> battery
Look for:
fg_cycle (number of charge cycles) : showing 5 on mine which seems correct
fg_fullcapnom ("real" battery capacity*) : showing 3322 on mine which is not right, should it be 3500?
BTW accubattery is also showing 3300+ mah capacity on my device.
Is my device faulty ? How is your capacity? Is this number reliable?
Mine is showing 3336
lch920619x said:
Found this method in a S8 forum and tried it on my new S9+
With a file manager go to root folder
Sys --> class ---> power supply ---> battery
Look for:
fg_cycle (number of charge cycles) : showing 5 on mine which seems correct
fg_fullcapnom ("real" battery capacity*) : showing 3322 on mine which is not right, should it be 3500?
BTW accubattery is also showing 3300+ mah capacity on my device.
Is my device faulty ? How is your capacity? Is this number reliable?
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3 charge cycles and 3378 mAh capacity.
Exynos GS9+, got it on the 10th of March.
I don't think AccuBattery reads this file, but it sort of judges battery capacity based on charge times and all that and gives you an estimate.
Mine is 3310 and accu ie showing 3306
But I dont think that's the correct number you can check all the phones you want none of them have the correct capacity in that file. My s8 shows 2770
skivnit said:
Mine is 3310 and accu ie showing 3306
But I dont think that's the correct number you can check all the phones you want none of them have the correct capacity in that file. My s8 shows 2770
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My s8 shows 2600 but I think that's fine because it's 1 year old and battery does age.
But I suppose a new device should have a 100% healthy battery?
murtaza02 said:
3 charge cycles and 3378 mAh capacity.
Exynos GS9+, got it on the 10th of March.
I don't think AccuBattery reads this file, but it sort of judges battery capacity based on charge times and all that and gives you an estimate.
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Yeah I understand they use another method to calculate the capacity. It makes me more concerned because 2 ways agrees that fact that our battery is indeed only 95 of its rated capacity?
I thought they were reserving 200mah to give the 95% battery longevity claim. Meaning the S8+/s9+ get 3300mah and the S8/S9 gets 2800mah.
I could be wrong though, I just remember reading it.
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I thought they were reserving 200mah to give the 95% battery longevity claim. Meaning the S8+/s9+ get 3300mah and the S8/S9 gets 2800mah.
I could be wrong though, I just remember reading it.
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They how can they still market the device having 3500 battery?
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My s8 shows 2600 but I think that's fine because it's 1 year old and battery does age.
But I suppose a new device should have a 100% healthy battery?
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Yes but that file doesnt change, so whether its 1yr old or 1 day old it should show the same value. My s8 is also a yr old
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They how can they still market the device having 3500 battery?
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Because it does...
lch920619x said:
Found this method in a S8 forum and tried it on my new S9+
With a file manager go to root folder
Sys --> class ---> power supply ---> battery
Look for:
fg_cycle (number of charge cycles) : showing 5 on mine which seems correct
fg_fullcapnom ("real" battery capacity*) : showing 3322 on mine which is not right, should it be 3500?
BTW accubattery is also showing 3300+ mah capacity on my device.
Is my device faulty ? How is your capacity? Is this number reliable?
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where did you find this method?
maik005 said:
where did you find this method?
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On s8 forum
My Sprint S9+ is showing 3500mAh according to Phone Info Samsung and accubattery
dhonzik said:
My Sprint S9+ is showing 3500mAh according to Phone Info Samsung
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That shows 3500mah for everyone, it's just a preset specs...
my estimated accubattery capacity is also 3300 mah wtf! for all my phones it makes sense they were at 100% or a little above when new and the estimates capacity slowly decreased over time, for example my s7 is now at 70% and my note 8 when new was 101% but after 6 months decreased to 98% (3225 mAh) so far battery life on the s9+ is just a little bit better than the notr but I'm pissed to find out the estimated capacity is only 3300 mah as it was one of the reasons I jumped from the note (3300 mah) to the s9+ (3500 mah)
6 cycles, 3302 mah. Snapdragon model.
So they did this with S8/S8+ as well?
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So they did this with S8/S8+ as well?
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no I have an s8 and the estimated capacity is 100% after 3 months!
so is this accurate to base on if we got good battery in our new phones?
I was looking at the s9+ BOM compared to the s8+ and Note 8, what I found interesting is that battery is 37.5% more expensive on the S9+ ($5.5) compared to the s8+ or Note 8 ($4). When they announced the s8+ they said it would degrade only 5% vs 20% of other batteries after certain use but did they mention any difference with the s9+ why would it be 37.5% more expensive?
http://www.techinsights.com/about-t...xy-8-plus-apple-iphone-8-plus-apple-iphone-x/
Hi, just wanted to ask if someone else beside me and my friend got a 3000mAh battery (According to accubattery) after a couple of months, the same happened to another friend of mine with a OnePlus 6T, 3450mAh instead of 3700mAh.
Screenshots attached.
Accubattery is insanely inaccurate, and takes an estimated guess based on charging cycles. Long story short, the app is garbage and people should stop putting faith in it.
crixley said:
Accubattery is insanely inaccurate, and takes an estimated guess based on charging cycles. Long story short, the app is garbage and people should stop putting faith in it.
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I've already tried to search for a this app, and I found a thread in the OnePlus 5T section where a USB multimeter in, at least, two cases, has shown the same result as Accubattery.
Anyway thanks for the answer, need to find why battery sucks su much on both my friend phone and mine.
I experience the same issue !
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Hi, just wanted to ask if someone else beside me and my friend got a 3000mAh battery (According to accubattery) after a couple of months, the same happened to another friend of mine with a OnePlus 6T, 3450mAh instead of 3700mAh.
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I experience the exact same issue on my oneplus 6. The accubattery app shows my battery health as 3,046 mAh and design capacity as 3,300 mAh. It has been this way since the day I got the phone (around one month back). I am pretty bummed that oneplus sent me a phone that had only 90% battery life to start with. Is that a problem with the battery or is that a problem with the way the accubattery app reads the results?
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I experience the exact same issue on my oneplus 6. The accubattery app shows my battery health as 3,046 mAh and design capacity as 3,300 mAh. It has been this way since the day I got the phone (around one month back). I am pretty bummed that oneplus sent me a phone that had only 90% battery life to start with. Is that a problem with the battery or is that a problem with the way the accubattery app reads the results?
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Seriously? As stated before it is a calculated capacity. It measures how much goes in and out. While the battery is shipped as 3300 mAh the app can very well vary as it is only roughly calculated and the full capacity is very theoretical as the voltage decreases and is never zero.
You start with 4.35 V = 100 % and end at maybe 3.2 V = 0 %. So you have energy left after your phone as shut down. That's why you get a battery low screen even if your phone has shut itself down. It is not a design flaw and it is not scam.
Also don't forget that different components use different voltages. Transforming them results in wasted energy. Like a power bank that has 10000 mAh in theory only can charge maybe 7000 mAh while the rest is lost in heat.
thank you !
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Seriously? As stated before it is a calculated capacity. It measures how much goes in and out. While the battery is shipped as 3300 mAh the app can very well vary as it is only roughly calculated and the full capacity is very theoretical as the voltage decreases and is never zero.
You start with 4.35 V = 100 % and end at maybe 3.2 V = 0 %. So you have energy left after your phone as shut down. That's why you get a battery low screen even if your phone has shut itself down. It is not a design flaw and it is not scam.
Also don't forget that different components use different voltages. Transforming them results in wasted energy. Like a power bank that has 10000 mAh in theory only can charge maybe 7000 mAh while the rest is lost in heat.
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thank you for your detailed analysis !
It's kind of reassuring because when I bought mine it was second hand and I saw around 3000mah as well! So actually the battery wasn't damaged probably.
It could also be OnePlus which makes the choice to not allow the phone to charge completely so the battery lasts for longer in long term. I Kno Dell does it for example. Then it would be very acceptable. But yeah, maybe it's the app.
Had the same issue with several phones, for example with the S8+, Accubattery showed 97% from day one, after a few weeks it dropped a bit lower still.
The app seems highly inaccurate and I quit using it.
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As I have not found a list of user reported batter capacity I thought, let's create some insight so here we go!
Accubattery shows on my 1 week old Exynos ultra battery only has 4041 mAh capacity
What about yours?
You can't figure out the capacity of a battery after two partial charges.
Why do you need these figures? My sm-n9860 shows me the ~20 hours TTL after the full charge (stats are based on the heavy browser's usage) - TTL is the only useful indicator I guess.
I know that 2 cycles is not enough, that's not why I started this thread.
It is interesting to track capacity degradation over time. If everybody reports there figures every now and then, providing insights on that could help people identify battery issues. Although with all the different measuring app outcomes it will not be an exact sciense but an approximation.
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As I have not found a list of user reported batter capacity I thought, let's create some insight so here we go!
Accubattery shows on my 1 week old Exynos ultra battery only has 4041 mAh capacity
What about yours?
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Here you go if it makes you happy I don't mind participating.
Day 4 of ownership. And one day after a factory reset.
The Note 20Ultra's battery has a kernel charge limit of 4060 mAh -100%. So it's not about 4500 mAh only 4370mAh with limitation. I will never understand these huge differences recorded on Samsung batteries between the declared minimum value and the value recorded on charging.
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Here you go if it makes you happy I don't mind participating.
Day 4 of ownership. And one day after a factory reset.
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I see that you partially charge your phone 40-80%.
I don't know if this partial charge will really extend your battery life. At Samsung I have seen over time that the situation is upside down and the charging counter is misled from where and sometimes a strong drain. If this partial upload by Samsung were supported by the software, then it would be a good thing otherwise I don't see much. As with Apple, Sony, Oppo ..
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I see that you partially charge your phone 40-80%.
I don't know if this partial charge will really extend your battery life. At Samsung I have seen over time that the situation is upside down and the charging counter is misled from where and sometimes a strong drain. If this partial upload by Samsung were supported by the software, then it would be a good thing otherwise I don't see much. As with Apple, Sony, Oppo ..
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I always partially charge my phone approx 40-80 sometimes higher l, sometimes lower.
Samsung batteries seem to have a some sort of reserved area that doesn't get used until a certain degration is reached. That's my hunch.
PS I got an SD n20u now, no different to exynos ?
From my experience in the past with these battery monitoring apps the battery health measurement is pretty innacurate. When I first got my 20 Ultra it said the battery was at 94 percent health which was definitely wrong.
Same in s20 and s20+.... the charge stoped in 3600 and 4076 respectively... great work samsung
Mine says 4370, is there a difference between exynos and snapdragon?
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Mine says 4370, is there a difference between exynos and snapdragon?
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No.
Limeybastard said:
I always partially charge my phone approx 40-80 sometimes higher l, sometimes lower.
Samsung batteries seem to have a some sort of reserved area that doesn't get used until a certain degration is reached. That's my hunch.
PS I got an SD n20u now, no different to exynos ?
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Then why did you change it and didn't stay with exynos? It's much better snapdragon on gsm, battery ...?
coilbio said:
Mine says 4370, is there a difference between exynos and snapdragon?
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In battery capacity not. But in terms of speed exynos is slower and uses more power. Also more heat...
michelino159 said:
Then why did you change it and didn't stay with exynos? It's much better snapdragon on gsm, battery ...?
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Because it was faulty. Random reboots even in safe mode.
Edit. The SD one is also defective, green tint. Samsung really has gone down the poop shoot quality wise lately.
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Because it was faulty. Random reboots even in safe mode.
Edit. The SD one is also defective, green tint. Samsung really has gone down the poop shoot quality wise lately.
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No problem for me. The best phone so far. I think I'll keep it for two years, especially since Samsung decided to cancel the Note series.
michelino159 said:
No problem for me. The best phone so far. I think I'll keep it for two years, especially since Samsung decided to cancel the Note series.
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I very much doubt this model will be remembered favorably in the future . it'll probably be the note 3, 4, 8,9 and 10 that sticks with most of the fan base.
whats your charge cycle ?
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I very much doubt this model will be remembered favorably in the future . it'll probably be the note 3, 4, 8,9 and 10 that sticks with most of the fan base.
whats your charge cycle ?
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38 cycles and 99% health by accubattery.PhoneInfo
says something else I suspect depending on the kernel limitation,93,6% health.
The best way to extend your battery life is to switch your phone off at night. Lets estimate a 33% longer life assuming one sleeps 8 hours a day. 33% for free!
In the mean time my estimated capacity is up to 4370mAh
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38 cycles and 99% health by accubattery.PhoneInfo
says something else I suspect depending on the kernel limitation,93,6% health.
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I installed phone nfo since day one and the charge cycle counter seems accurate unlike the health .
Hi guys. Just wanted to ask a quick question with regards to. My Galaxy A73 and the accubattery health estimate.
Before anyone yells from the tree tops "battery monitoring software isn't accurate" I know that, but it's enough to get a general idea on how my battery is holding up. And historically it's readings have been pretty good with me. Recently slapped in a fresh 3000mah battery in my S7 and it pretty regularly reports the battery health in the 96-98% range (I typed in the correct capacity for the new battery) which I am happy with. So..... with thay out the the way!
Recently the entire family basically came up for new contracts all at the same time, and we all got A73s. So three phones for the wife, father and myself. I've installed accubattery on all three phones and done full charges, ~15%-5% up to 100%. And on ALL three phones the reported battery capacity is around ~4500mah which seems far off of the design capacity of the advertised 5000mah. My particular phone reported a first charge capacity of 4733. But has dropped to 4500 over subsequent charges. As I said. I know software isn't 100% accurate. But historically it's been good to me reporting good numbers for my S7 and my A80.
Although I have been very impressed with the battery life thus far im still wondering if these battery's are bad.
Can anyone else show their accubattery results?
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Hi guys. Just wanted to ask a quick question with regards to. My Galaxy A73 and the accubattery health estimate.
Before anyone yells from the tree tops "battery monitoring software isn't accurate" I know that, but it's enough to get a general idea on how my battery is holding up. And historically it's readings have been pretty good with me. Recently slapped in a fresh 3000mah battery in my S7 and it pretty regularly reports the battery health in the 96-98% range (I typed in the correct capacity for the new battery) which I am happy with. So..... with thay out the the way!
Recently the entire family basically came up for new contracts all at the same time, and we all got A73s. So three phones for the wife, father and myself. I've installed accubattery on all three phones and done full charges, ~15%-5% up to 100%. And on ALL three phones the reported battery capacity is around ~4500mah which seems far off of the design capacity of the advertised 5000mah. My particular phone reported a first charge capacity of 4733. But has dropped to 4500 over subsequent charges. As I said. I know software isn't 100% accurate. But historically it's been good to me reporting good numbers for my S7 and my A80.
Although I have been very impressed with the battery life thus far im still wondering if these battery's are bad.
Can anyone else show their accubattery results?
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This behavior is observed by me also, and a few days back I put comments in the Google play store app review but developer is yet to respond.
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This behavior is observed by me also, and a few days back I put comments in the Google play store app review but developer is yet to respond.
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Interesting.
So you are also seeing ~4500mah?
Well of that's the case then I don't think all these phones can have bad batteries.
So Either
1. Accubattery is reporting incorrectly. Not exactly far fetched as software can definately be wrong.
2. Our phones all have bad batteries. less likely but still a possibility.
3. Or lastly Samsung is lying about advertised capacity and we all have 4500mah batteries. I find this to be the LEAST likely scenario.
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Interesting.
So you are also seeing ~4500mah?
Well of that's the case then I don't think all these phones can have bad batteries.
So Either
1. Accubattery is reporting incorrectly. Not exactly far fetched as software can definately be wrong.
2. Our phones all have bad batteries. less likely but still a possibility.
3. Or lastly Samsung is lying about advertised capacity and we all have 4500mah batteries. I find this to be the LEAST likely scenario.
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Sorry this is an older thread, but I've had much the same issue with quite a few of the Sammy devices, and found this thread because I've been considering an A73.
First, Accubattery, in my experience does a good job. I've used it on an LG G8 that I had done battery 'conditioning' since it was new. Guess what? Accubattery rated that phone at 103% of capacity! Yes, it was accurate. Also used it with a Pixel 6a and battery was 100%, so that one was rated at 4500 mah and that's exactly what Accubattery said.
But most of my Sammy phones, like the 2 A52S I have, are rated much lower than stated capacity. Instead of 4500, they both rated about 4100.
Your scenario number 3 is actually correct, but not in the 'lying' part. If you research it, ea mfg tells you that battery capacity can vary (they claim it's hard to control during manufacturing), and it states in their 'fine print' that a battery actual capacity can vary by 10% plus or minus (it's always minus).
That means my new phone, properly conditioned from the beginning, could read as low as 4050 and still be within specs. So it's not a 'lie', it's a way to put in less battery and still claim it's 'as designed' and you have no recourse.
Ironically though, my older galaxy A03, which has a 5000 mah battery, gets a 100% capacity from accubattery. Sometimes I think it's a better idea just to use them and not even think about it. It's kind of tedious and it's pretty much out of our control. And life is short.
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