Question Messages app - non-carrier version - Samsung Galaxy S22 Ultra
So, this seems to be the question of the year so far but I can't find an answer anywhere. I got the S22 Ultra, it has my carriers version of the Google Messages app. Of course it will only use the RCS features with other phones on their own network. I know how to remove the app, my question is if I download the Messages app from the play store after removing it, will I get my carrier modified version or the general Google one that uses Googles infrastructure for the RCS features? How can I make sure I install the Google version that hasn't been modified by my carrier?
I would try getting the latest through APK Mirror Latest . I download the Samsung variant and it seems to work fine with mine and other carriers. I have the unlocked version of the S22 Ultra through Samsung directly.
jlivolsi said:
So, this seems to be the question of the year so far but I can't find an answer anywhere. I got the S22 Ultra, it has my carriers version of the Google Messages app. Of course it will only use the RCS features with other phones on their own network. I know how to remove the app, my question is if I download the Messages app from the play store after removing it, will I get my carrier modified version or the general Google one that uses Googles infrastructure for the RCS features? How can I make sure I install the Google version that hasn't been modified by my carrier?
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The carriers are using the RCS standard Google started. If it's in Google messages it will work with all carriers that support Google's RCS standard.
is this what you are chasing ??
Messages is pre-installed, but that doesn’t mean your US Galaxy S22 is using Google’s RCS backend
How to fix the problems with the Google Messages app on the Galaxy S22 line
If you're an AT&T or T-Mobile Galaxy S22 owner, you might be having issues with the Google Messages app. Here's how you can fix it.
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Messages is pre-installed, but that doesn't mean your US Galaxy S22 is using Google's RCS backend
In a big win for Google, its Messages app is the default client for the Galaxy S22 in the US, but the RCS backend differs depending on...
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JS_racer said:
is this what you are chasing ??
Messages is pre-installed, but that doesn’t mean your US Galaxy S22 is using Google’s RCS backend
How to fix the problems with the Google Messages app on the Galaxy S22 line
If you're an AT&T or T-Mobile Galaxy S22 owner, you might be having issues with the Google Messages app. Here's how you can fix it.
www.phonearena.com
Messages is pre-installed, but that doesn't mean your US Galaxy S22 is using Google's RCS backend
In a big win for Google, its Messages app is the default client for the Galaxy S22 in the US, but the RCS backend differs depending on...
9to5google.com
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Yes, that is what I am referring to and yes it is true. The messages app has been modified by my carrier (AT&T) so that the RCS features will only work with other devices on their network. When it communicates outside of the network it goes back to sms/mms. So, jasonamd is not correct in that just because it is Google messages it will go on the Google backend. That is false.
jasonamd said:
The carriers are using the RCS standard Google started. If it's in Google messages it will work with all carriers that support Google's RCS standard.
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Just because they support it doesn't mean they are using it. Like I said below, AT&T is limiting the RCS features to only when communicating with devices on their own network, they even admitted as much on their customer support forums. When going out of their network they automatically switch to sms/mms. They "claim" that they will eventually allow RCS across to other networks but that was 3 or so years ago and they have done nothing. It is a bigger issue now because they modified the Google Messages app, which is now the default, as opposed to their messaging app being the default and you could change to Google Messages on your own. They modified it so that it will only use RCS on internal to the AT&T network only. Otherwise it uses sms/mms.
How to you actually know when your sending and receiving in RCS mode ?
Markeee said:
How to you actually know when your sending and receiving in RCS mode ?
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AT&T is trying to take over Google's RCS and users aren't having it
An AT&T RCS system is taking over Google's within the Messages app, and it's causing all sorts of problems for users.
www.androidauthority.com
https://www.reddit.com/r/ATT/comments/szgk2j
T-Mobile / AT&T / Verizon missing messages (RCS) - I am seeing message in stock app but not in Textra – Support
Messages is pre-installed, but that doesn't mean your US Galaxy S22 is using Google's RCS backend
In a big win for Google, its Messages app is the default client for the Galaxy S22 in the US, but the RCS backend differs depending on...
9to5google.com
If your Galaxy S22 is having trouble sending messages, here's why
Google Messages debuted as the default on the Galaxy S22, but the transition might take a while for some users.
www.androidcentral.com
How to fix the problems with the Google Messages app on the Galaxy S22 line
If you're an AT&T or T-Mobile Galaxy S22 owner, you might be having issues with the Google Messages app. Here's how you can fix it.
www.phonearena.com
Is that enough proof?
jlivolsi said:
AT&T is trying to take over Google's RCS and users aren't having it
An AT&T RCS system is taking over Google's within the Messages app, and it's causing all sorts of problems for users.
www.androidauthority.com
https://www.reddit.com/r/ATT/comments/szgk2j
T-Mobile / AT&T / Verizon missing messages (RCS) - I am seeing message in stock app but not in Textra – Support
Messages is pre-installed, but that doesn't mean your US Galaxy S22 is using Google's RCS backend
In a big win for Google, its Messages app is the default client for the Galaxy S22 in the US, but the RCS backend differs depending on...
9to5google.com
If your Galaxy S22 is having trouble sending messages, here's why
Google Messages debuted as the default on the Galaxy S22, but the transition might take a while for some users.
www.androidcentral.com
How to fix the problems with the Google Messages app on the Galaxy S22 line
If you're an AT&T or T-Mobile Galaxy S22 owner, you might be having issues with the Google Messages app. Here's how you can fix it.
www.phonearena.com
Is that enough proof?
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I just got a Google Msgs new update today . I'm just trying know if there's something that I can see when I txt that tells me if my msgs are sending and receiving in RCS mode is all do you know ?
Markeee said:
I just got a Google Msgs new update today . I'm just trying know if there's something that I can see when I txt that tells me if my msgs are sending and receiving in RCS mode is all do you know ?
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From what I can tell, in so far as for AT&T, if you go to setting in Messenger and the "chat features" menu, if it says powered by jibe it is going through Googles backend and will let RCS work across any/all providers network. If it says "powered by AT&T" then it is only using RCS on AT&T's network.
jlivolsi said:
This video seems to explains it Samsung Msg app don't even have the verify phone number option according to this video its not working for me coz my phone number won't even verify
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jlivolsi said:
I just joined the Google Msg Beta for the app maybe that will work to enable it
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I installed Google Messaging followed that above video and got RCS to enable took like 2 hrs for the app to verify my number on my S22 Ultra
Unlocked S22U here on ATT. I think the issue is actually that Jibe and ATT are not communicating.
My device works fine with anyone who doesn't have a carrier S22U, and anyone who is on Jibe.
My friends with Carrier S22U can only RCS message people on carrier S22U and previous devices, including from ATT to TMobile, but they cannot RCS back to me on Jibe.
It is a ridiculous problem, and Goog/Sammy should never have agreed to jump onto carrier RCS in the app, knowing the track record they have with screwing up these types of things (updates mostly).
Is this a problem as well on t-mobile or just at&t?
The other issue is the message size is cut from 100mb to 50 mb on AT&T
This thread needs to be revived. We should write a letter and see if any of the media outlets will publish it. We'd need only a couple of well-known devs on here to back it. If anyone is interested, please PM me.
Our primary intention is getting a direct line of communication to someone who can actually help resolve this problems with each of the carriers. It can't be that complicated.
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Hangouts MMS
so i got the Mate 9 a couple days ago and it is an awesome phone! one thing is that for some reason, (i use hangouts for messaging) hangouts wont send or receive MMS. I checked all the APN settings for ATT and it just keep saying "sending failed... try tap to try again." i downloaded google's messenger, it works. the messaging app from Huawei works. hangouts, nada.. i could use another messaging app but if there is a way for hangouts MMS to work just to have one central messaging app (i use hangouts for google voice and for chat) it would be amazing.. any ideas?
Huh. My experience is different. May I ask - are you using the USA variant of the Mate 9? I have the MHA-L29 international, which might well be the same model number as the USA variant, and I am also on AT&T, but I have been unable to get the native messaging app to handle MMS properly. I don't like or use Hangouts, but I have tried Textra and 3 or 4 other apps that all work perfectly. The native app converts pics to MMS for sending, but will NOT manage group messaging correctly. Responses are isolated from each other instead of truly acting as a "group text."
Brikwil said: May I ask - are you using the USA variant of the Mate 9? I have the MHA-L29 international, which might well be the same model number as the USA variant, and I am also on AT&T, but I have been unable to get the native messaging app to handle MMS properly. I don't like or use Hangouts, but I have tried Textra and 3 or 4 other apps that all work perfectly. The native app converts pics to MMS for sending, but will NOT manage group messaging correctly. Responses are isolated from each other instead of truly acting as a "group text." Click to expand... Click to collapse I have the US variant from Bestbuy. I couldn't figure out the MMS issue with hangouts so i downloaded google messenger and it works there. i hate to use multiple apps for messaging but i don't have any choice.. did you figure out yours?
I also have the USA variant of the phone running on T-Mobile network. I cannot get Google's Messanging app to work with MMS group chat. Stock Huawei messaging app works, but I find the performance of the app to be terrible with handling group chats. The screen keeps refreshing when you scroll up or down in the conversation list. Like the screen will be blank (showing only timestamps of messages but no messages), then after a short time all the message bubbles will finally appear. Does this happen to everyone else who uses the stock messaging app?
not on mine. stock messaging app works for me for MMS
clovis_ll said: not on mine. stock messaging app works for me for MMS Click to expand... Click to collapse BTW, Google Hangouts also does not work for me with sending MMS
using the Best Buy version on ATT w/Nextgenphone APN and i have no problem sending MMS messages. did you confirm that Hangouts was the default SMS app?
cortez.i said: using the Best Buy version on ATT w/Nextgenphone APN and i have no problem sending MMS messages. did you confirm that Hangouts was the default SMS app? Click to expand... Click to collapse yeah i did. i use hangouts for google voice number and my messaging for my carrier number. on google voice number, MMS gets sent. on my carrier, it doesn't.
clovis_ll said: yeah i did. i use hangouts for google voice number and my messaging for my carrier number. on google voice number, MMS gets sent. on my carrier, it doesn't. Click to expand... Click to collapse confirmed "send MMS via carrier number" failure on my Mate 9 as well. chit!
Brikwil said: May I ask - are you using the USA variant of the Mate 9? I have the MHA-L29 international, which might well be the same model number as the USA variant, and I am also on AT&T, but I have been unable to get the native messaging app to handle MMS properly. I don't like or use Hangouts, but I have tried Textra and 3 or 4 other apps that all work perfectly. The native app converts pics to MMS for sending, but will NOT manage group messaging correctly. Responses are isolated from each other instead of truly acting as a "group text." Click to expand... Click to collapse What's a US variant? As far I know from the announcements, there is a Chinese model and an International model. Can anyone shed some light on this please?
ravennyc said: What's a US variant? As far I know from the announcements, there is a Chinese model and an International model. Can anyone shed some light on this please? Click to expand... Click to collapse Best Buy (and some US online vendors) are selling the Mate 9; that's where I purchased mine. I consider this a US variant. Sent from my MHA-L29 using Tapatalk
cortez.i said: Best Buy (and some US online vendors) are selling the Mate 9; that's where I purchased mine. I consider this a US variant. Sent from my MHA-L29 using Tapatalk Click to expand... Click to collapse Yes, Amazon and Newegg as well....
Variants for the Mate 9 ravennyc said: What's a US variant? As far I know from the announcements, there is a Chinese model and an International model. Can anyone shed some light on this please? Click to expand... Click to collapse I am aware of three variants: the L00, the L09, and the L29. As I understand it, the L00 is the Chinese and the L29 is the European/International model. The L09 is a single-SIM version of the L29 (again - as I understand it.) HOWEVER - there is a definite difference between the model MHA-L29 which went on sale in the US in early January and the Euro/Int'l MHA-L29, even if the model number is the same (per Amazon listing). That version carries a US warranty, and it reports that warranty to the user in HiCare. The version I purchased in late December is MHA-L29, but does not carry that warranty. This could be as simple as the IMEI database detecting those phones which were marked for sale in the US. I simply don't know. What I do know is important enough for me: for whatever reason, BOTH versions of MHA-L29 seem to share a problem with handling MMS using the native app that ships with the phone. This continues to be the case for mine, even after upgrading it to B138. I have not checked for a newer firmware release.
Is there an official Huawei forum for this phone where we can notify them of these issues?
trace1er said: Is there an official Huawei forum for this phone where we can notify them of these issues? Click to expand... Click to collapse Huawei responds to emails rather quickly. I asked them about tap to wake and they pointed me to use the voice option to wake the screen "not want I wanted" but still the response was appreciated. [email protected] Probably best to talk to them from here: http://consumer.huawei.com/us/contact-us/index.htm?tag=email
Many thanks for the clarification on the models. Not sure if the US Warranty/or lack of one, actually changes any of the physical and OS specifications of the L29, I believe L29 is same Internationally, be it USA or Europe or the rest of the world.. except China. From a MMS prespective, even Google Messenger (which is another app vs Hangouts) also doesn't work for MMS/PICS sent via sms.
ravennyc said: Many thanks for the clarification on the models. Not sure if the US Warranty/or lack of one, actually changes any of the physical and OS specifications of the L29, I believe L29 is same Internationally, be it USA or Europe or the rest of the world.. except China. From a MMS prespective, even Google Messenger (which is another app vs Hangouts) also doesn't work for MMS/PICS sent via sms. Click to expand... Click to collapse I found that the messaging app "Textra" works perfectly, for SMS, MMS, and pics. HOWEVER - since Huawei specifically warns against using third-party apps due to potential battery drain issues, I think it behooves them to make their built-in app work as advertised. I don't think they should call a phone "GSM-compatible" if its native app can't handle SMS/MMS properly. I consider that a serious failure.
Having the same mms/group texting issues with the native messenger app. I ended up switching to Textra which works fine.
UPDATE regarding MMS failures I took the major step (for me) of rebranding my Mate 9 MHA-L29C636 using Funky Huawei, and I am happy to report that running it as a US variant (MHA-L29C567) on build 167 has SOLVED the MMS issues I reported earlier in this thread. Of course this required unlocking the bootloader, thereby voiding any warranty, but since Huawei and the reseller had utterly failed to provide any support for the problem, I figured I couldn't be any worse off if I tried. So - kudos to Funky Huawei. Even for a novice like me, the rebranding process worked very well.
Brikwil said: I took the major step (for me) of rebranding my Mate 9 MHA-L29C636 using Funky Huawei, and I am happy to report that running it as a US variant (MHA-L29C567) on build 167 has SOLVED the MMS issues I reported earlier in this thread. Of course this required unlocking the bootloader, thereby voiding any warranty, but since Huawei and the reseller had utterly failed to provide any support for the problem, I figured I couldn't be any worse off if I tried. So - kudos to Funky Huawei. Even for a novice like me, the rebranding process worked very well. Click to expand... Click to collapse Can u provide steps on how to do this? I'm on build 167 right now also. I'm a noob...thanks Sent from my MHA-L29 using XDA-Developers Legacy app
RCS in Android Messages
So I was thinking about using Android messages as my text app and have read it is supposed to have RCS function just like the default app on our Note 8 does. But Everytime I send a text as a test to my fiance there's never a delivered, read or any other RCS notable features. So I'm wondering is this app issues or carrier?
With Textra, this is available. I turned it on and it works. They are fixing the issue with Live messaging right now. I am with AT&T.
Where at in Textra do we turn on RCS? Didn't know that was available yet
I used textra at a time but I really want to use android messages since it seems to be the only app that lets me use Google keyboard to it's fullest. As far as bitmoji and gifs go lol
powerstroke said: Where at in Textra do we turn on RCS? Didn't know that was available yet Click to expand... Click to collapse Same. I remember them talking about it an eternity (more than 6 months) ago, but never saw a mention of it going live; and I'm one to usually read their changelogs. Only reason I havn't set Textra as my default messaging app like I want to.
Poetique said: Same. I remember them talking about it an eternity (more than 6 months) ago, but never saw a mention of it going live; and I'm one to usually read their changelogs. Only reason I havn't set Textra as my default messaging app like I want to. Click to expand... Click to collapse Yeah I messaged support and they said it's on the table but hasn't been officially added yet
According to Textra's Twitter, Google haven't released the API so it's not going to happen until they do
KingVekxin said: So I was thinking about using Android messages as my text app and have read it is supposed to have RCS function just like the default app on our Note 8 does. But Everytime I send a text as a test to my fiance there's never a delivered, read or any other RCS notable features. So I'm wondering is this app issues or carrier? Click to expand... Click to collapse Anyone have an answer to the OP's question? I was wondering the same thing.
brandon_powell said: Anyone have an answer to the OP's question? I was wondering the same thing. Click to expand... Click to collapse AT&T only supports an older version of RCS (not Universal Profile) at the moment. AT&T has it integrated into the bundled samsung messages app so it works there, but Android Messages only supports the current version of RCS (Universal Profile). Hopefully AT&T will upgrade their RCS system soon...
KingVekxin said: I used textra at a time but I really want to use android messages since it seems to be the only app that lets me use Google keyboard to it's fullest. As far as bitmoji and gifs go lol Click to expand... Click to collapse FWIW - It does work to its fullest in Textra. I've been using both for months, and I can insert emoji, GIFs, everything.
But the stock Samsung Messages app does not allow you to message users on iPhone without compressing the hell out of everything. So I don't think RCS is fully up yet on AT&T's side. From everything I've read, universal RCS allows for message sizes similar to iMessage. That's the only thing I miss from iPhone and is why I use Facebook Messenger or Allo for texting now. I'm sick of not being able to send gifs, videos or pictures of decent quality. No apps including Textra work for me without the crazy compression or other limitations.
S7 RCS (Rich Communication Services / Chat) texts don't show up in Google Messages
S7 RCS (Rich Communication Services / Chat) texts don't show up in Google Messages app I just noticed I'm not getting "Chat" text messages in the Google Messages app, but I do get SMS & MMS texts. I do get Chat messages (RCS) in the stock Samsung Messages app. I'm using my own ROM, which is basically debloated stock Oreo. I deleted Samsung Messages, and installed Google Messages into /system/priv-app/ via Aroma/edify. I also replaced the IMSService.apk with the non-hurricane one. But I think this hurricane is actually an RCS icon. Not sure this is the issue though because Samsung Messages works fine. Could there be an additional library, framework jar, or other dependency needed for Google to work? In case someone doesn't know how to tell or what I'm talking about: Open your Messages app->Open conversation->Long-press a message->View message details (or 3-dots->View details in Google) ->Look at "Type" field. Types will be: Text (SMS), Multimedia (MMS), or Chat Thank you for all feedback!
Im thinking there must be a software component for the "Universal Profile". Tmobile claims they rolled this out to the S7s, but I'm not sure what its called or "looks like". I took a look at the code & manifest for Samsung Messages & it all seems like it's working without anything Android - like Tmobile might have deployed Universal Profile (which would be required by Google Messages to work?), but they arent actually using it yet? I keep hearing something about a "switch" must be triggered for it to start using it. In other works, I'm thinking that Tmobile & our S7 is still using Tmobiles implementation of RCS, NOT the universal method, yet.
RCS With Samsung Messages App Android 9
Does anyone know if A7 supports RCS on the default Samsung Messages app on Android 9? RCS is available through Google Messages.
What is RCS?
danyv77 said: What is RCS? Click to expand... Click to collapse It's a new standard by the GSMA Association for upgrading SMS. This is meant to be as a service provided by mobile carriers. It works like iMessage works for iPhone. I can't provide a url due to restrictions of the forum. Just search "what is rcs". You'll find plenty of information.
Question RCS On U model
Guys how can I get RCS without using google messages? It's enabled with T-Mobile.... but because it's the unlock version of the device, I can't get it on the stock app.
utmcx said: Guys how can I get RCS without using google messages? It's enabled with T-Mobile.... but because it's the unlock version of the device, I can't get it on the stock app. Click to expand... Click to collapse If T-Mobile is already implementing RCS, then the stock Samsung Messages app should work. Samsung Messages supports RCS as long as the carrier is implementing it. T-Mobile calls it, "Advanced Messaging." Advanced Messaging Learn about T-Mobile and Google's partnership to enable T-Mobile customers with Rich Communication Services while texting Android users on other networks. www.t-mobile.com
Personally, I like Google Messages better than Samsung Messages.
gernerttl said: If T-Mobile is already implementing RCS, then the stock Samsung Messages app should work. Samsung Messages supports RCS as long as the carrier is implementing it. T-Mobile calls it, "Advanced Messaging." Advanced Messaging Learn about T-Mobile and Google's partnership to enable T-Mobile customers with Rich Communication Services while texting Android users on other networks. www.t-mobile.com Click to expand... Click to collapse Yeah my device will not support the Advance Messages.. .Because to Tmobile this isn't a supported device unless its under their firmware... (908U1) Looking for a way around it without having to flash my device with T-Mobile ware....
utmcx said: Yeah my device will not support the Advance Messages.. .Because to Tmobile this isn't a supported device unless its under their firmware... (908U1) Looking for a way around it without having to flash my device with T-Mobile ware.... Click to expand... Click to collapse Model SM908U1 is the unlocked (non-carrier) version; SM908U is the carrier version for all three US carriers. Verizon is the same. I have the Verizon SM908U. If I want RCS, I have to use Verizon Messager (which is very good; better than Samsung Messages), but it doesn't support cross-carrier RCS. Which is why I use Google Messages. The downside is Google Messages doesn't have as many features as Verizon Messager. Google Messages has improved a lot over the past year.