Hi,
just to be sure I got it right, does WP7 puts every contact on my phone to Live as soon as I add my Live account details to my phone? And there is no way preventing my phone from uploading every of my contact to a Microsoft cloud? Do I get it right, or am I missing something?
Regards,
m00h
Under People, Settings, Filter My Contacts you can choose to hide contacts from a certain account or all of them. I believe you have to have at least one selected or you can't save contacts.
Sent from my HTC Arrive using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
Filtering contacts does not stop them from being saved to Live. Contacts must have a source, be it Windows Live, Exchange, Google, etc but they can't just reside on the phone.
Entegy is (mostly) correct. However, the important point here is that contacts which are already *from* another source - such as Facebook friends or Gmail contacts - will not get copied to Windows Live. However, if you import SIM contacts, those will get synced to your primary Windows Live account (assuming you've set one up, since it's necessary for much of the phone's functionality).
Yeah, that's a good distinction to make. While contacts require a source, they won't get merged into one account (say, everything auto-copied to your Windows Live account)
GoodDayToDie said:
However, if you import SIM contacts, those will get synced to your primary Windows Live account (assuming you've set one up, since it's necessary for much of the phone's functionality).
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That's the answer I needed, in that case, my Omnia 7 is as good as sold. That's a horrifying thing if your phone forces you to sync all the sensitive, confidential data with an american cloud. How can you people be ok with that?
Before I bought a WP7 phone, I read a lot of stuff about it, either on forums or on reviews, and not a single review mentioned that I will be forced to give my data away, that's even more horrifying.
Either way, thanks for the answers.
Regards,
m00h
Well, an awfully large number of millions of people use Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo mail, or any of a handful of other webmail providers, many of which are hosted in America (or <other place you dislike goes here>) and all of which contain far more private info than just contacts.
For that matter, a truly stupendous number of people use Facebook, which not only stores vastly more "private" info than simply contacts, it also has somewhat poor security and a terrible privacy record. Oh, it's based in the USA too.
Next to all that, a list of contacts names and email addresses being stored in a Microsoft-controlled server that generally has quite good security and is not accessible to anybody except yourself, not even MS employees, unless those employees want to face immediate loss of their jobs, truly massive lawsuits, and quite possibly criminal charges... this is "a horrifying thing"?? I mean I don't care for this "cloud" BS either, but contact info is way, way down on the list of things I'm worried about getting out - I'm pretty sure I'd be more annoyed to lose access to my contacts than to have them leak.
You're welcome to your own opinion, of course. If you either run your own mail server or use a different mail account for each contact (so no corporation can build a contact list for you by checking their email logs), and have no information on any social networks, it's even consistent with the way you live your life. Or is it just the "American" aspect that is so uncomfortable to you? If so, I must in good conscience warn you that XDA-Developers is registered through a US company and WHOIS gives a registrant address in Arizona.
m00h said:
That's the answer I needed, in that case, my Omnia 7 is as good as sold. That's a horrifying thing if your phone forces you to sync all the sensitive, confidential data with an american cloud. How can you people be ok with that?
Before I bought a WP7 phone, I read a lot of stuff about it, either on forums or on reviews, and not a single review mentioned that I will be forced to give my data away, that's even more horrifying.
Either way, thanks for the answers.
Regards,
m00h
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Most modern smartphones sync your contacts now......
GoodDayToDie said:
Well, an awfully large number of millions of people use Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo mail, or any of a handful of other webmail providers, many of which are hosted in America (or <other place you dislike goes here>) and all of which contain far more private info than just contacts.
For that matter, a truly stupendous number of people use Facebook, which not only stores vastly more "private" info than simply contacts, it also has somewhat poor security and a terrible privacy record. Oh, it's based in the USA too.
Next to all that, a list of contacts names and email addresses being stored in a Microsoft-controlled server that generally has quite good security and is not accessible to anybody except yourself, not even MS employees, unless those employees want to face immediate loss of their jobs, truly massive lawsuits, and quite possibly criminal charges... this is "a horrifying thing"?? I mean I don't care for this "cloud" BS either, but contact info is way, way down on the list of things I'm worried about getting out - I'm pretty sure I'd be more annoyed to lose access to my contacts than to have them leak.
You're welcome to your own opinion, of course. If you either run your own mail server or use a different mail account for each contact (so no corporation can build a contact list for you by checking their email logs), and have no information on any social networks, it's even consistent with the way you live your life. Or is it just the "American" aspect that is so uncomfortable to you? If so, I must in good conscience warn you that XDA-Developers is registered through a US company and WHOIS gives a registrant address in Arizona.
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Don't get me wrong, it's in no way about the USA or any other country, I'm just not comfortable with the idea, that one big corporation, in one big country is to decide for me how to store my data.
It's like Microsoft would say, that every document on my PC has to be stored on their Live cloud, and you, as a functional member of the tech-society are dependant on their OS. Even Apple is not that barefaced to force me to store my mothers cell phone number on their sync service. It's all about the choise, you know?
Btw., for those who use Android, is it the same way there? Am I forced to sync my contacts with something? I want to go safe this time
Regards,
m00h
m00h said:
Don't get me wrong, it's in no way about the USA or any other country, I'm just not comfortable with the idea, that one big corporation, in one big country is to decide for me how to store my data.
It's like Microsoft would say, that every document on my PC has to be stored on their Live cloud, and you, as a functional member of the tech-society are dependant on their OS. Even Apple is not that barefaced to force me to store my mothers cell phone number on their sync service. It's all about the choise, you know?
Btw., for those who use Android, is it the same way there? Am I forced to sync my contacts with something? I want to go safe this time
Regards,
m00h
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android syncs your contacts with your google account, unless you turn off auto sync.
I don't see the issue though, you're just being overly paranoid now. If you have an email account I'm sure there is much more personal things in it
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android syncs your contacts with your google account, unless you turn off auto sync.
I don't see the issue though, you're just being overly paranoid now. If you have an email account I'm sure there is much more personal things in it
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I don't think I'm paranoid, I'm just not in common with the idea. But thanks for the answer with the Android, good to know that I can turn the auto-sync off.
Regards
Eh, all of my contacts from all of my accounts put together still constitute less private info than some single documents on my PC (tax returns come to mind, or letters to certain people). That said, so long as I can keep local copies of my docs too, I *am* generally OK with storing them on SkyDrive. If there was anything particularly sensitive I'd encrypt it first, but short of the aforementioned tax records I can't think of any such thing.
Of course, I'm still not sure how your attitude works with email. I mean, you obviously ahve an email account, or you couldn't be on this site. That account goes to a server somewhere. 99% chance that server is owned by a corporation. That corporation is possibly logging the server's Internet traffic. They're almost certainly making backups of your mailbox automatically all the time, so that if something goes wrong they can restore your mail. They have admins who can access your mailbox whenever they feel like it, with nothing stopping them except employment contracts and/or local laws.
That mailbox is a treasure trove of personal info. It hs your contacts (in the form of people who you've exchanged mail with), it has your purchase history (at least, for things bought online or shipped by freight services that send email), it probably has a list of every site that you visit which requires an email address to log in, it has the full transcriptions of any privte conversations you've had with friends or loved ones via email, it quite possibly has pictures of you and/or your family, it probably has your home address and phone number (because you sent them to somebody at least once), it even contains informtion on the hours you keep from the timestamps. If it's Gmail, they (Google) probably also have your IM conversations and possibly your calendar too.
Next to all that, you're worried about a huge corproration, one which is under constant surveillance and would be subject to immense lawsuits if it ever misused customer data, posessing a copy of your contacts list. Honestly, I'm just confused.
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Eh, all of my contacts from all of my accounts put together still constitute less private info than some single documents on my PC (tax returns come to mind, or letters to certain people). That said, so long as I can keep local copies of my docs too, I *am* generally OK with storing them on SkyDrive. If there was anything particularly sensitive I'd encrypt it first, but short of the aforementioned tax records I can't think of any such thing.
Of course, I'm still not sure how your attitude works with email. I mean, you obviously ahve an email account, or you couldn't be on this site. That account goes to a server somewhere. 99% chance that server is owned by a corporation. That corporation is possibly logging the server's Internet traffic. They're almost certainly making backups of your mailbox automatically all the time, so that if something goes wrong they can restore your mail. They have admins who can access your mailbox whenever they feel like it, with nothing stopping them except employment contracts and/or local laws.
That mailbox is a treasure trove of personal info. It hs your contacts (in the form of people who you've exchanged mail with), it has your purchase history (at least, for things bought online or shipped by freight services that send email), it probably has a list of every site that you visit which requires an email address to log in, it has the full transcriptions of any privte conversations you've had with friends or loved ones via email, it quite possibly has pictures of you and/or your family, it probably has your home address and phone number (because you sent them to somebody at least once), it even contains informtion on the hours you keep from the timestamps. If it's Gmail, they (Google) probably also have your IM conversations and possibly your calendar too.
Next to all that, you're worried about a huge corproration, one which is under constant surveillance and would be subject to immense lawsuits if it ever misused customer data, posessing a copy of your contacts list. Honestly, I'm just confused.
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Yea, confused is the right word, I'm very confused about your attitude having your privat stuff somewhere, on someones server without even having a choise not to store it there.
As for the part with the mail-server, no, I host my own mail-server because I take privacy a little bit more serious, and I surely wouldn't like to be on the list of your contacts if you deal so careless with your privacy. I'm in high dudgeon because I'm not given the choise here, that's what it is all about.
If you mention that you would encrypt your documents first, in case they would include some sensitive information, then you are talking about the choise even to encypt them, or not. The choise which I as a WP7 user obviously don't have, that's the point.
Maybe I'm a little bit old-fashioned, but for me it's very frightening that everyone around seems to be OK with that.
Anyway, since my question is answered, the is no point to continue this discussion, so, thanks for the answer.
Best regards,
m00h
Hello everyone, new here at XDA forums and just trying to get some feedback from the community on a project I have been working on. This application is not done, but I do think that *most* of the main features are in place and its a good time to get some feedback on the UI and maybe more importantly the overall idea behind the application. Basically this app will connect anyone who is connected to the same wifi network. I think this will be cool in large places that share one wifi network, like a college campus, large office buildings, etc.. When you are connected, the app calls it a "zone", so, when you are in a zone with other users, you can live chat with any other user in the zone, and there is also a public board where any user can make posts (images & text). When you make a post, you are able to see how many views that your post has gotten, and exactly who has viewed the post, which is something people may like, I want you guys to be the judge of this though. Please, play around with it, send me a chat message in the app if you'd like, my name is "Dylan Rose", you will be able to just click my name and send a message.
Something you may be wondering is, if this app only lets users interact when they are connected to the same wifi network, how are we going to interact right now? Good question. I have the app set up in debug mode right now so the system thinks that any user who signs in is in one zone called "Test - Zone", so if you see that in your toolbar after you sign in, you're in the right place! :good:
Overall, let me know in your experience, will people want to use this app? I see it being used in larger areas like college campuses where lots of people are connected to the same network, but I want you guys to be the judge of that, so let me know!
Link to the APK: wikisend.com/download/519920/app-debug.apk
Cant thank you guys enough for trying this out and leaving me with some feedback!
This application does use a Google API to allow you to sign in with any google account. All I actually use is
Display Name
Profile Photo
User ID
GCM-ID (To send push notifications, when you get a chat message)
This application also uses the persmissions
INTERNET
CHANGE_WIFI_STATE
GET_ACCOUNTS
USE_CREDENTIALS (credentials actually used described above)
ACCESS_WIFI_STATE
ACCESS_NETWORK_STATE
WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE (Used to store photos when you take a photo in-app)
READ_EXTERNAL_STORAGE (used to grab a photo that you would like to include in a post)
CAMERA (Used to take a photo in-app that you would like to include in your post)
RECEIVE (Receive GCM push notifications)
C2D_MESSAGE (Receive GCM Push notifications)
Tried to post some screenshots but since I'm a newer user here at this forum I was not allowed to post outside links!
I might try it
This sounds like something that would be fun for a business or school environment. My question: what do the following permissions do:
find accounts on the device
use accounts on the device
I'm concerned of course that this app which isn't vetted yet by anyone, might be doing something I don't want it to do.
Permission concern
kettir said:
This sounds like something that would be fun for a business or school environment. My question: what do the following permissions do:
find accounts on the device
use accounts on the device
I'm concerned of course that this app which isn't vetted yet by anyone, might be doing something I don't want it to do.
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Hey! Thanks for taking the time to check out my description. As for the accounts permissions that this application uses: The app lets users sign in via google account. In order to use googles sign-in API, I did need to use these permission in my manifest. The find accounts is used when you first click the login button, a dialog of the google accounts that you have linked to your device show up, and you choose which one you would like to sign in to the app with. The use accounts is for allowing my application to know some general data about the account that you sign in with, these include your Display name, Account photo, and your user id.
Please let me know if you have any further concerns, and I look forward to hearing what you think of the app!
Thanks again,
-Dylan R.
Whether you are concerned about Privacy or just that Facebook is consuming most of your limited mobile data, these 10 settings got you covered.
Well, if You log into the Facebook App (in this case Android App) here are my top 10 settings that you should Change and my reason for telling you to change it.
#1 SAVE YOUR LOGIN INFO (ON THIS DEVICE)
DON'T DO IT at least for security reasons. If you log out of the device, your login info still remains there if you didn't wipe Facebook app data and that could lead to a security breach.
#2 TURN OFF LOCATION.
Facebook uses your location for mainly ads and other kind of profiling so, always turn it off. That doesn't mean that Facebook won't know your location but at least they'll have to do a little more work to Get it (as I'll show later)
#3 TURN OFF START VIDEO IN TIMELINE WITH SOUND FROM SETTINGS
Anyway, this mainly serves Facebook interest were ads that pop up on timeline plays Automatically. At least, give yourself the chance of being the one to click on an ad because the title is catchy or the thumbnail interesting.
#4 TURN ON OPEN LINKS EXTERNALLY.
You should be the one to choose which browser opens URLS from inside Facebook App. If not, Facebook will automatically track your browsing history, activities and behaviors
#5 CLEAR YOUR BROWSING HISTORY
Since you have turned on open links externally, it is important that you also clear any browsing history left on Facebook.
#6 AUTO PLAY VIDEOS ON MOBILE DATA AND WIFI
May not be bad if you are on unlimited data plan but come on, on mobile data too? by default? Not a good news if you are on limited data. Moreso, this dumps a lot of data on app cache.
#7 & #8 ADS PREFERENCES
Ads Preferences setting is interesting because it has a lot of settings on by default that makes you want to wonder why they are on by default. There are two major parts I looked at here - Your information and Ads settings you just have to turn everything off.
#9 OFF-FACEBOOK ACTIVITIES - TURN IT OFF!
This one is so deep we made a YouTube video for it you just have to turn it off.
#10 Privacy settings.
There are loads of settings in the privacy settings that you need to change by default. You really need this one...
Bolumstar said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= https://youtu.be/GHlxCvJHkmY
Whether you are concerned about Privacy or just that Facebook is consuming most of your limited mobile data, these 10 settings got you covered.
Well, if You log into the Facebook App (in this case Android App) here are my top 10 settings that you should Change and my reason for telling you to change it.
#1 SAVE YOUR LOGIN INFO (ON THIS DEVICE)
DON'T DO IT at least for security reasons. If you log out of the device, your login info still remains there if you didn't wipe Facebook app data and that could lead to a security breach.
#2 TURN OFF LOCATION.
Facebook uses your location for mainly ads and other kind of profiling so, always turn it off. That doesn't mean that Facebook won't know your location but at least they'll have to do a little more work to Get it (as I'll show later)
#3 TURN OFF START VIDEO IN TIMELINE WITH SOUND FROM SETTINGS
Anyway, this mainly serves Facebook interest were ads that pop up on timeline plays Automatically. At least, give yourself the chance of being the one to click on an ad because the title is catchy or the thumbnail interesting.
#4 TURN ON OPEN LINKS EXTERNALLY.
You should be the one to choose which browser opens URLS from inside Facebook App. If not, Facebook will automatically track your browsing history, activities and behaviors
#5 CLEAR YOUR BROWSING HISTORY
Since you have turned on open links externally, it is important that you also clear any browsing history left on Facebook.
#6 AUTO PLAY VIDEOS ON MOBILE DATA AND WIFI
May not be bad if you are on unlimited data plan but come on, on mobile data too? by default? Not a good news if you are on limited data. Moreso, this dumps a lot of data on app cache.
#7 & #8 ADS PREFERENCES
Ads Preferences setting is interesting because it has a lot of settings on by default that makes you want to wonder why they are on by default. There are two major parts I looked at here - Your information and Ads settings you just have to turn everything off.
#9 OFF-FACEBOOK ACTIVITIES - TURN IT OFF!
This one is so deep we made a YouTube video for it you just have to turn it off.
#10 Privacy settings.
There are loads of settings in the privacy settings that you need to change by default. You really need this one...
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What great advices thank you
Or else, uninstall the Facebook crap and use a browser with an ad-blocker to access. Better yet, delete the application altogether. With the number of times, Facebook has leaked user data, I would advise to not use it at all.
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Or else, uninstall the Facebook crap and use a browser with an ad-blocker to access. Better yet, delete the application altogether. With the number of times, Facebook has leaked user data, I would advise to not use it at all.
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The post is actually for people who, for some reasons, still use Facebook... ?
I was recently admitted to a company, and as an ease of accessing my e-mails and work schedule, the android "work profile" was made available so that I could have access to company information (such as e-mails, calendar, information and others) without having to receive a corporate cell phone.
However, my biggest concern is with the organization's access to my data. My organization that created the work profile, can have access to my browsing history, data on the device (such as photos, application files, etc.), time I spend using my cell phone, contacts, call logs, and other data personal profile?
I have already visited the google instructions page, but I was still unsure because my organization installed some network certificates and the warning "Your organization can monitor network traffic ..."
Another question:
If I leave a work profile app open in the background, and use my personal profile at the same time, can my organization have access to network traffic and consequently my personal information?
All questions, however redundant, are intended to clarify the details of the organization's access to my personal information
From now on, I am immensely grateful for the help and time you spent reading my questions.
You are holding a phone in your hands for which an organization has concluded a data plan contract and is paying for it. They therefore will have a legitimate interest in the network traffic on this device, unless it is a contract for unlimted bandwidth. Network traffic is triggered by apps / services , which can actually be read out: they simply have to install a HTTP/S proxy what is intercepting the HTTP/S traffic on any app housed on the phone.
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You are holding a phone in your hands for which an organization has concluded a data plan contract and is paying for it. They therefore will have a legitimate interest in the network traffic on this device, unless it is a contract for unlimted bandwidth. Network traffic is triggered by apps / services , which can actually be read out: they simply have to install a HTTP/S proxy what is intercepting the HTTP/S traffic on any app housed on the phone.
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The phone is mine, and there is no plan
of internet hired by the company.
It's my personal cell phone, and for me to get
view emails and talk to people from
within the organization, I had to enable
the "work profile".
So I had my personal and work profile
on my personal device.
My question is: my company can see
my personal files and my online activity
in the "PERSONAL PROFILE"?
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The phone is mine, and there is no plan
of internet hired by the company.
It's my personal cell phone, and for me to get
view emails and talk to people from
within the organization, I had to enable
the "work profile".
So I had my personal and work profile
on my personal device.
My question is: my company can see
my personal files and my online activity
in the "PERSONAL PROFILE"?
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I created a second user on my phone named "Company".
If I do this it asks me if I wan't to turn on phone calls and SMS and then warns that
Call and SMS history will be shared with this user.
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That makes sense, since I (as the owner) can decide whether or not other users of my phone can access that data.
I tried to access owners files via filemanager from "Company" account. I couldn't see anything.
I tried the same but via adb using a root shell -> I had full access to owners files.
Owner has a VPN active. I tried to access that VPN from within "Company". Didn't work.
Tried to access apps from within "Company" -> no luck.
Checked settings -> some are gone, some aren't. E.g. I can see my paired devices (paired from owner) when I'm in "Company" account.
Soo, to answer your question:
Fred964 said:
My organization that created the work profile, can have access to my browsing history, data on the device (such as photos, application files, etc.), time I spend using my cell phone, contacts, call logs, and other data personal profile?
I have already visited the google instructions page, but I was still unsure because my organization installed some network certificates and the warning "Your organization can monitor network traffic ..."
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Access to browsing history, data, contacts? No.
Time spend? I don't know but in battery usage settings I can see how much battery has been used by the owner account.
Call logs? Yes, If you accepted that.
Your language? Yes.
About certificates: I don't know excactly what they do (I figured if you turn them off your device cannot connect to the internet anymore if that certificate is needed for that connection attempt) but you can go to Security -> Encryption & credentials -> Trusted credentials and turn them off while your in your personal account.
However: One questions remains: Does the profile your company created somehow differ from the one you can create manually via settings? I don't think so, so above things should be valid.
If that's an option you could also ask your company directly (even though I can understand if you might not want to trust them).