Need to pick up a few phones to play with. Since they all seem to have their own bootloaders (or do they?), should I go with Verizon, ATT, Sprint phone, or?
XDASikpupy said:
Need to pick up a few phones to play with. Since they all seem to have their own bootloaders (or do they?), should I go with Verizon, ATT, Sprint phone, or?
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Virtually all models of devices from the major US carriers are going to have locked bootloader with no way to unlock them. I suggest getting the devices directly from the manufacturer or buying international non branded devices because the majority of them have unlocked bootloader or bootloader that can at least be unlocked.
If a US phone is "unlocked", does that mean the bootloader is unlocked or just unlocked for carrier use? I also hear phones directly from Samsung are locked also.
XDASikpupy said:
If a US phone is "unlocked", does that mean the bootloader is unlocked or just unlocked for carrier use? I also hear phones directly from Samsung are locked also.
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When you buy a phone that says it is unlocked, yes, it is referring to the fact that it is SIM/carrier unlocked to be used on other carrier networks.
Unlocking bootloader is a very specific procedure in order to modify the device or add/remove pieces of system level software If you're looking to use custom recovery and custom ROMs, you will definitely need to make certain that it is a model that has the bootloader already unlocked or has a stock firmware version that has a bootloader that can successfully unlocked. Typically, the older the firmware version for a specific device model number is the safest bet, the later, newer updated firmware for that specific device model number tend to have locked bootloaders. And it gets worse as the devices get newer and more improved with security features and roadblocks.
A safe bet is a Non US Google Pxel device, they are all very well supported here. Regardless of the device in question, you don't ever want anything that Verizon has to offer, period. AT&T and Sprint are just as bad.
Droidriven - Thanks for the info, thats what I have been reading, and, what makes me wonder. If I can get unlocked phones with locked bootloaders, and I am not going to mess with he bootloader, is there one "locked" bootloader better than the other?
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I am completely clueless of what bootloader is and after some googling, I think that it's the locking of a phone's network to a specific company like verizon, at&t etc. But, here in India, we don't have such contracts, so do I need to unlock bootloader before rooting my phone? I previously had galaxy ace and there was no mention of bootloader even when I installed all sorts of custom roms.
nitish159 said:
I am completely clueless of what bootloader is and after some googling, I think that it's the locking of a phone's network to a specific company like verizon, at&t etc. But, here in India, we don't have such contracts, so do I need to unlock bootloader before rooting my phone? I previously had galaxy ace and there was no mention of bootloader even when I installed all sorts of custom roms.
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you just won't get root if your bootloader is locked
Unlock it for root, CWM, ROMs , etc
No, a bootloader doesn't do what you assumed, it just restricts your devices from any alteration by giving you limited access. Region locked or carrier lock is a different thing.
Thanks all, one more thing, if I unlock bootloader then can I get my warranty back?
nitish159 said:
Thanks all, one more thing, if I unlock bootloader then can I get my warranty back?
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NO, you won't. When you apply for the code on Motorola site you lose your warranty. Even if you somehow manage to trick them, Moto G will still show status code as 2 (meaning relocked) instead of 1 (locked) or 3 (unlocked). Anybody feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I had to trade my S6 in 2016 because I couldnt stand not being able to flash custom roms via recovery, and at the time it was deemed nearly impossible to bootloader unlock an S6, especially since dev's were losing interest working around Exynos chip vs Qualcomm. But what about today? I see some threads talking about roms and TWRP and stuff which makes me think this phone was finally cracked? Is that so? Or is it only very particular variants? I remember there was like 1 model S6 that you could properly root if it had a very specific version of Android on it at the time, but if it was ever upgraded it was locked.
So which phones are bootloader/recovery installable? And what do I need to know version wise before buying one? (like are some versions blacklisted, to stay away from)
Bootloader is not locked on S6 except AT&T variant.
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Bootloader is not locked on S6 except AT&T variant.
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but it used to be right? I had a verizon S6 and it was basically impossible to unlock as I recall. Is this a new development?
I have a Sprint-branded S7. It's unlocked. I want to switch to T-Mobile.
Sprint changed its S7 bootloader to v5 in November 2017. All other carriers, including T-Mobile, are on bootloader v4 or earlier.
The problem: You can't flash to an older-version bootloader. You'll just get an error. The phone has efuses that prevent it.
Are there any workarounds?
Specifically, I want to switch this S7 from Sprint's G930PVPS5BRA1 to T-Mobile's G930TUVS4BRA1 (bootloader version emphasized).
No work arounds I've ever seen, US snapdragon models are all bootloader locked which prevents you doing any major modifications at a firmware level.
You'll either have to wait for a v5 of the firmware you want, or try the carrier unlocked G930U v5 firmware which might work better with T-Mobile.
I believe this is also the same for the unlocked bootloader on Exynos models, but only if you get the newest drag firmware version.
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No work arounds I've ever seen, US snapdragon models are all bootloader locked which prevents you doing any major modifications at a firmware level.
You'll either have to wait for a v5 of the firmware you want, or try the carrier unlocked G930U v5 firmware which might work better with T-Mobile.
I believe this is also the same for the unlocked bootloader on Exynos models, but only if you get the newest drag firmware version.
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Unlocked is also on bootloader v4: https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-s7/SM-G930U/. That is why I suspect this v5 bootloader is a trick by Sprint to frustrate switching.
Booloaders are all locked on US S7s you can not switch Stock ROMs
You could SIM unlock and use a T-Mobile SIM though (paid)
Or sell that phone and buy a tmobile one
*Detection* said:
Booloaders are all locked on US S7s you can not switch Stock ROMs
You could SIM unlock and use a T-Mobile SIM though (paid)
Or sell that phone and buy a tmobile one
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This phone has the domestic unlock by Sprint, so I can switch stock ROMs. I did exactly that last summer when Sprint and T-Mobile's ROMs both had v4 bootloaders.
Because it is unlocked, you are right that I can also put in a T-Mobile SIM while it has the Sprint ROM. However, it will not see all T-Mobile bands until I put T-Mobile firmware on it. I noticed that last summer, and there are other anecdotal reports of this on the internetzors.
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This phone has the domestic unlock by Sprint, so I can switch stock ROMs. I did exactly that last summer when Sprint and T-Mobile's ROMs both had v4 bootloaders.
Because it is unlocked, you are right that I can also put in a T-Mobile SIM while it has the Sprint ROM. However, it will not see all T-Mobile bands until I put T-Mobile firmware on it. I noticed that last summer, and there are other anecdotal reports of this on the internetzors.
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Pretty certain that all bootloaders on the US model S7s are locked meaning you cannot switch stock ROMs, other than Verizon to the G930U, maybe others to that U firmware, but I don't own the snapdragon variant so just going on what I've read here on XDA
All Snapdragon US S7s are bootloader locked, meaning no custom anything
As for certain bootloaders of each stock ROM I don't know
But I do know SIM unlock and bootloader unlock are two completely different things, switching from one carrier ROM to another does not unlock the SIM to that carrier
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Pretty certain that all bootloaders on the US model S7s are locked...
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They are locked against unauthorized/custom software, but there is nothing that stops you from putting authorized software on them. As all US variants are hardware-identical, all carrier ROMs are by definition authorized on any.
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They are locked against unauthorized/custom software, but there is nothing that stops you from putting authorized software on them. As all US variants are hardware-identical, all carrier ROMs are by definition authorized on any.
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I see, but what would be the point of switching from Sprint to T-Mobile stock ROM?
Surely just different OEM bloat?
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I see, but what would be the point of switching from Sprint to T-Mobile stock ROM?
Surely just different OEM bloat?
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While the hardware supports all bands, the ROMs do not have all bands enabled. From personal experience last summer, if you have the Sprint ROM on the phone, your phone will not see all T-Mobile bands. There are plenty of anecdotal reports of this on the internet.
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While the hardware supports all bands, the ROMs do not have all bands enabled. From personal experience last summer, if you have the Sprint ROM on the phone, your phone will not see all T-Mobile bands. There are plenty of anecdotal reports of this on the internet.
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I was under the impression that only SIM unlocking would solve that?
So you are saying that by managing to flash from Sprint to T-Mobile, a Sprint S7 is now able to use the T-Mobile network without a SIM unlock ?
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I was under the impression that only SIM unlocking would solve that?
So you are saying that by managing to flash from Sprint to T-Mobile, a Sprint S7 is now able to use the T-Mobile network without a SIM unlock ?
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SIM unlocking only appears to permit you to put your phone on another network. It does not appear to enable all your phone's bands. To enable another network's bands, you appear to have to switch ROMs. If there's another way of doing that, I'm interested!
novasource said:
SIM unlocking only appears to permit you to put your phone on another network. It does not appear to enable all your phone's bands. To enable another network's bands, you appear to have to switch ROMs. If there's another way of doing that, I'm interested!
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My guess is you would first need to perform the actual SIM unlock, and then move over to the preferred network ROM to have 100% of their bands and abilities
If your phone was originally on Sprint, and you managed to flash to T-Mobile, my guess is that your T-Mobile SIM would still not work until you SIM unlocked
CSC change is what determines which features work and don't, for example on o2 CSC I can get WiFi calling, but with XEU (also UK ROM) I cannot, even though my carrier is o2, basically I bought the phone on XEU but unless I switch manually over to O2 CSC I cannot use that feature
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My guess is you would first need to perform the actual SIM unlock, and then move over to the preferred network ROM to have 100% of their bands and abilities
If your phone was originally on Sprint, and you managed to flash to T-Mobile, my guess is that your T-Mobile SIM would still not work until you SIM unlocked
CSC change is what determines which features work and don't, for example on o2 CSC I can get WiFi calling, but with XEU (also UK ROM) I cannot, even though my carrier is o2, basically I bought the phone on XEU but unless I switch manually over to O2 CSC I cannot use that feature
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Yes. Another way of putting this is that SIM unlock and band unlock are different. Sprint can unlock the SIM and let me put other carriers' SIMs in my phone. However, that doesn't unlock all the bands. That is only doable by flashing that carrier's ROM. Due to Sprint's curious choice to upgrade its bootloader, I am locked out of doing that.
I have previously been in a state where my CP was from a different-version SM-G930U ROM, while the rest was from an SM-G930P ROM, and I got repeated "Security notice" warnings from the Samsung software.
HELP
Beanvee7 said:
No work arounds I've ever seen, US snapdragon models are all bootloader locked which prevents you doing any major modifications at a firmware level.
You'll either have to wait for a v5 of the firmware you want, or try the carrier unlocked G930U v5 firmware which might work better with T-Mobile.
I believe this is also the same for the unlocked bootloader on Exynos models, but only if you get the newest drag firmware version.
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I am somewhat experienced in this but not enough to be sure. I have sm-g30U factory unlocked by sam and got oreo update and hate. How may I check my versions or rather where might I find the proper software to downgrade to nougat . I dont understand why people keep saying "930U sprint, or vzw" . When its unlocked its not any carrier only the carrier you happen to use as its a dual sim right ? though today im with vzw i may not be tomorrow. Anyway can i flash backwards , I saw a few videos where it was done on sammobile and if not I would love to get any info in rooting it to help my battery not liking the oreo so i can help at least with bloatware. any help would be appreciated
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I dont understand why people keep saying "930U sprint, or vzw"d
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There's two types of unlock.
* Bootloader unlock, which allows you to modifies the phones boot partition. It's required for custom ROM's and recovery.
* Carrier unlock, which is just whether your phone allows any SIM or only a specific carrier.
The G930U is carrier unlocked, you can use any SIM, but it's still bootloader locked like every other US model S7, which means no boot modifications.
As a result you can't rollback the G930U because of the locked bootloader, and you can root it but only but using an engineering bootloader which comes with many side affects.
Does only the number matter or does also the letter? For example, say Im deciding between U5 and S5, how would the efuse work?
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Does only the number matter or does also the letter? For example, say Im deciding between U5 and S5, how would the efuse work?
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Yes just the number , cell carriers tend to use the letter S while Samsung unbranded tend to use the letter U. But the number tells you the version boot loader .
Getting an Unlocked Pixel 2 off EBay.
Once I unlock the bootloader, and put in my Verizon sim.......will Verizon lock my bootloader?
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I don't think any carrier has control over locking the bootloader. They can however keep you from unlocking it, just not the other way around
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Getting an Unlocked Pixel 2 off EBay.
Once I unlock the bootloader, and put in my Verizon sim.......will Verizon lock my bootloader?
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As long as it actually was through Google and not a Verizon one you will be fine. Make sure it's not just carrier unlocked, since the Verizon ones will still be considered unlocked due to being able to use it on other carriers.
Keithn said:
As long as it actually was through Google and not a Verizon one you will be fine. Make sure it's not just carrier unlocked, since the Verizon ones will still be considered unlocked due to being able to use it on other carriers.
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The op is talking about bootloader being unlocked and your talking about the carrier/sim lock... Verizon pixels that were on a certain firmware were able to have their bootloader unlocked, and then it was patched. So pretty much all Verizon pixel 2 are not able to have the bootloader unlocked. Pixels straight from Google are able to have the bootloader unlocked. Now as far as the carrier/sim lock, either version, Verizon or Google, they come unlocked and. I'm pretty sure they can't be relocked. I believe they would just blacklist the device.
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The op is talking about bootloader being unlocked and your talking about the carrier/sim lock... Verizon pixels that were on a certain firmware were able to have their bootloader unlocked, and then it was patched. So pretty much all Verizon pixel 2 are not able to have the bootloader unlocked. Pixels straight from Google are able to have the bootloader unlocked. Now as far as the carrier/sim lock, either version, Verizon or Google, they come unlocked and. I'm pretty sure they can't be relocked. I believe they would just blacklist the device.
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No, I am talking about both. I only mentioned to be aware that the device may be listed as unlocked due to not having carrier restrictions, but might still be a "Verizon Edition" with a non unlockable bootloader.
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As long as it actually was through Google and not a Verizon one you will be fine. Make sure it's not just carrier unlocked, since the Verizon ones will still be considered unlocked due to being able to use it on other carriers.
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No, I am talking about both. I only mentioned to be aware that the device may be listed as unlocked due to not having carrier restrictions, but might still be a "Verizon Edition" with a non unlockable bootloader.
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Ahh gotcha. Sorry didn't get that when I read it the first time. When you put it this way, I now get what you were saying. Good advise! :good: :good:
I'm thinking about buying a Google Pixel 3 XL on Amazon, it's renewed. It is factory unlocked and I was wondering if it means it can be OEM unlocked. Does factory unlocked mean it doesn't come with a carrier?
Factory Unlocked means it's unlocked for all carriers.
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Factory Unlocked means it's unlocked for all carriers.
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Thank you, so that means no blocking of OEM unlock?
xXx yYy said:
Factory Unlocked means it's unlocked for all carriers.
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Because I heard Verizon blocks OEM unlocking.
Factory Unlocked ( read: device without network/SIM lock ) and OEM Unlock ( read: device's bootloader is unlocked ) are completely different things, they don't relate.
Whether the phone in question can get OEM unlocked or not I don't know: I don't own such a device.
xXx yYy said:
Factory Unlocked ( read: device without network/SIM lock ) and OEM Unlock ( read: device's bootloader is unlocked ) are completely different things, they don't relate.
Whether the phone in question can get OEM unlocked or not I don't know: I don't own such a device.
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So factory unlocked doesn't have a carrier and can choose any or not have any?
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Factory Unlocked ( read: device without network/SIM lock ) and OEM Unlock ( read: device's bootloader is unlocked ) are completely different things, they don't relate.
Whether the phone in question can get OEM unlocked or not I don't know: I don't own such a device.
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Google Pixels on Verizon can't be bootloader unlocked, I want to make sure I don't get Verizon. Factory Unlocked mean you don't have any, right?
ATBG said:
Google Pixels on Verizon can't be bootloader unlocked, I want to make sure I don't get Verizon. Factory Unlocked meand you don't have any, right?
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Factory unlocked means it is SIM/Carrier unlocked so that the device can be used on any carrier network. This has nothing to do with OEM unlocking.
OEM unlock only applies to unlocking the bootloader so that the software on the device can be modified or install custom software.
Verizon blocks OEM unlock on all of its devices, you can't unlock the bootloader on Verizon devices, this means you can't use Magisk, TWRP, custom ROMs and you can't modify the software on the device.
Do you understand the difference now? If you want to be able to root a device or install TWRP and custom ROMs, do not buy a Verizon device because you will not be able to do these things on a Verizon device. Don't waste your money on a Verizon device.
Droidriven said:
Factory unlocked means it is SIM/Carrier unlocked so that the device can be used on any carrier network. This has nothing to do with OEM unlocking.
OEM unlock only applies to unlocking the bootloader so that the software on the device can be modified or install custom software.
Verizon blocks OEM unlock on all of its devices, you can't unlock the bootloader on Verizon devices, this means you can't use Magisk, TWRP, custom ROMs and you cant modify the software on the device.
Do you understand the difference now? If you want to be able to root a device or install TWRP and custom ROMs, do not buy a Verizon device because you will not be able to these things on a Verizon device. Don't waste your money on a Verizon device.
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Okay, so factory unlocked means no Verizon?
Droidriven said:
Factory unlocked means it is SIM/Carrier unlocked so that the device can be used on any carrier network. This has nothing to do with OEM unlocking.
OEM unlock only applies to unlocking the bootloader so that the software on the device can be modified or install custom software.
Verizon blocks OEM unlock on all of its devices, you can't unlock the bootloader on Verizon devices, this means you can't use Magisk, TWRP, custom ROMs and you cant modify the software on the device.
Do you understand the difference now? If you want to be able to root a device or install TWRP and custom ROMs, do not buy a Verizon device because you will not be able to these things on a Verizon device. Don't waste your money on a Verizon device.
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I understand.
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Okay, so factory unlocked means no Verizon?
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No, Verizon may offer factory unlocked devices, but, that only means the device can be used on non-Verizon networks, it does not mean that it can be rooted, customized, modified or use custom software.
All devices have a bootloader, whether they are factory unlocked or not, the bootloader has nothing to do with "factory unlocked" and whether the bootloader is unlocked or not has nothing to do with "factory unlocked" and has nothing to do with whether or not a device has a bootloader. We are talking about two different kinds of "unlock" and they each have nothing to do with the other, they are each, their own specific purposes. "Factory unlocked" applies to the network(s) a device can be used on, "OEM unlock" applies to what software is allowed to be used on the device itself. You are confusing the two of them and associating them to each other in a way that is not correct, separate the two ideas in your head and understand each of them alone, without the other.
If you want a device that you can root and modify or use TWRP and custom ROMs on it, DO NOT BUY A VERIZON DEVICE. None of these can be done on Verizon devices unless you go all the way back to using devices such as a Verizon Galaxy S3 or S4 or older devices. Everything that Verizon has sold since the Galaxy S5 era has been bootloader locked to prevent root and custom software modifications.
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No, Verizon may offer factory unlocked devices, but, that only means the device can be used on non-Verizon networks, it does not mean that it can be rooted, customized, modified or use custom software.
If you want a device that you can root and modify or use TWRP and custom ROMs on it, DO NOT BUY A VERIZON DEVICE. None of these can be done on Verizon devices unless you go all the way back devices such as a Verizon Galaxy S3 or S4 or older devices. Everything that Verizon has sold since the Galaxy S5 era has been bootloader locked to prevent root and custom software modifications.
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How do I make sure it's not Verizon?
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How do I make sure it's not Verizon?
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By not buying a device that is branded by Verizon, sold by Verizon or has a Verizon model number. Do a search using the model number, if it is a Verizon model number, your search results will show that it is Verizon. All or most of the US versions of Pixel devices for the different US carriers(i.e. Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc...) are bootloader locked, buy directly from Google or by an international version of pixel with an international model number.
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By not buying a device that is branded by Verizon, sold by Verizon or has a Verizon model number. Do a search using the model number, if it is a Verizon model number, your search results will show that it is Verizon. All or most of the US versions of Pixel devices for the different US carriers(i.e. Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc...) are bootloader locked, buy directly from Google or by an international version of pixel with an international model number.
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What about OnePlus devices? I found a OnePlus 7 Pro, I kinda want to use OnePlus instead. Does Verizon lock OnePlus too?
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What about OnePlus devices? I found a OnePlus 7 Pro, I kinda want to use OnePlus instead. Does Verizon lock OnePlus too?
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What are you trying to do? What kind of "unlocked" are you looking for?
Do you want a device that is SIM/Carrier unlocked (also known as "factory unlocked") so that it can be used on a different network than it was "made" for?
Or do you want a device that has an unlocked bootloader or has a bootloader that can be unlocked by using the "OEM unlock" in order to root the device, install TWRP and custom ROMs or otherwise modify the stock software?
If you want a device that can be used on any network, you're looking for any kind of "factory unlocked" device. Many different carrier branded devices can be factory unlocked but I know that Verizon does not like allowing this on their devices.
If you're looking for something that can be customized and can use custom software, you are locking for a device that has an unlocked bootloader or at least a bootloader that can be unlocked via the "OEM unlock" setting or via fastboot commands, then, you do not want any kind of Verizon device, as in, NONE OF THEM. Stop asking about Verizon devices because I'm sure a Verizon device will not allow whatever it is you're wanting to do. Stop considering Verizon branded devices/model numbers. Stay away from Verizon devices, you'll only be wasting your money on a device that you will not be able to do anything with except use the device on their network using only the software that they install/allow.
Please stop beating your head against the wall, it isn't going to give or miraculously change into the answer that you "want" it to be.
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What are you trying to do? What kind of "unlocked" are you looking for?
Do you want a device that is SIM/Carrier unlocked (also known as "factory unlocked") so that it can be used on a different network than it was "made" for?
Or do you want a device that has an unlocked bootloader or has a bootloader that can be unlocked by using the "OEM unlock" in order to root the device, install TWRP and custom ROMs or otherwise modify the stock software?
If you want a device that can be used on any network, you're looking for any kind of "factory unlocked" device. Many different carrier branded devices can be factory unlocked but I know that Verizon does not like allowing this on their devices.
If you're looking for something that can be customized and can use custom software, you are locking for a device that has an unlocked bootloader or at least a bootloader that can be unlocked via the "OEM unlock" setting or via fastboot commands, then, you do not want any kind of Verizon device, as in, NONE OF THEM. Stop asking about Verizon devices because I'm sure a Verizon device will not allow whatever it is you're wanting to do. Stop considering Verizon branded devices/model numbers. Stay away from Verizon devices, you'll only be wasting your money on a device that you will not be able to do anything with except use the device on their network using only the software that they install/allow.
Please stop beating your head against the wall, it isn't going to give or miraculously change into the answer that you "want" it to be.
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Okay, I understand now. I choose OnePlus now instead of Google since I want a fully de-Googled experience.
ATBG said:
Okay, I understand now. I choose OnePlus now instead of Google since I want a fully de-Googled experience.
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As long as it isn't a Verizon model of OnePlus.
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As long as it isn't a Verizon model of OnePlus.
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I chose the Google Pixel 3a XL and it said it was international. That's good, right?
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I chose the Google Pixel 3a XL and it said it was international. That's good, right?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Thank you for helping me, man.