Hey all, I've had my G7 Power for about 2 years and in the last year or so I have been super frustrated with the handling of background processes, etc.
It can hardly hold a background process. The two worst offenders for me are:
It will kill my music app almost instantly after pausing. This is exceedingly frustrating when an app mutes all other audio and it instantly kills my music.
It will kill my browser when I go to search for a file to upload (for example if I go to upload a PDF to a website I can't because the website has to reload when I come back from finding the file).
In an attempt to solve this I moved from stock to LOS 18.1 and rooted. This was perhaps marginally better, but still overall terrible.
The other day I used this Magisk module to enable the low_ram flag, as well as disabled the Google app (which despite always always hogging RAM also loved to close in the background), which actually kinda solved my problem. It is still not perfect, and I had to find a new weather app, but it's acceptable. HOWEVER, I learned that I cannot use messages for web with this flag on (really Google????), which is kind of a dealbreaker for me.
I happily used stock ROMs on my phones for the last few years and would rather not spend my time making my phone with 3GB of RAM work worse than my older phones that ran MM on 1GB just fine. Any suggestions? Should I go back to Android 9 and never update? I can't even remember if it was better but it seems like it might be.
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Hi guys,
I have a USCC Mesmerize with EC10 PNP w/ none of the pack addons.
I would consider my phone to be very slim. I pretty much only use the camera, sms, mms, internet, & phone.
But still after my phone has been on for a while my process is up to 295/349 MB
I constantly use the stock task manager with Level 2 clear memory option to kill the active process.
When I do this I normally close anywhere from 5-12 process's. Sometimes I will get a drop to around 245MB and other times it will stick around 282MB
On a fresh restart my phone boots up with 164MB
I immediately goto task manager and do a level 2 clearing of the memory and end up closing 10 programs with a RAM use of 131MB
Is there anything out there app or otherwise I can use to stop and prevent all non-critical process's?
uselessmidget said:
Hi guys,
I have a USCC Mesmerize with EC10 PNP w/ none of the pack addons.
I would consider my phone to be very slim. I pretty much only use the camera, sms, mms, internet, & phone.
But still after my phone has been on for a while my process is up to 295/349 MB
I constantly use the stock task manager with Level 2 clear memory option to kill the active process.
When I do this I normally close anywhere from 5-12 process's. Sometimes I will get a drop to around 245MB and other times it will stick around 282MB
On a fresh restart my phone boots up with 164MB
I immediately goto task manager and do a level 2 clearing of the memory and end up closing 10 programs with a RAM use of 131MB
Is there anything out there app or otherwise I can use to stop and prevent all non-critical process's?
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That sounds pretty normal from what I have seen. Are you having any issues or just like to see the Rom lower?
Actually android by design is supposed to run almost always at full ram/memory compacity. Using a task killer other than stock can give unwanted results. My phone runs the same as yours does. When you kill off task the systen will automaticly reload common and system apps. Its the nature of android. Unless your having really bad performance. I wouldn't worry about it.
Edit: Ninja'd.
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I agree with akellar, that sounds pretty normal. I mean, are you actually suffering any performance issues? If you're not, then you're just worrying about nothing.
Similar stuff here. I use the level 2 clear as well, but mainly to save battery. I run the clear,just before I set it down for a no use period or prior to bedtime and it saves battery big time.
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No not really any performance issues. Sometimes but its infrequent enough that I couldn't describe it.
That was mainly my thought was saving on battery.
Why have all this crap running if you aren't using it?
Technicly its not running. It is suspended. While it is in ram it isn't using any processing power until the app is brought to the foreground meaning you are using it. Android does this so these apps are ready to go when you need them. I quit using task killers other than the stock one a while back and noticed a big jump in battery and performance. I though they were helping me when in reality it was hurting me. Take a read on android and how it handles multi tasking. It explains it really well. I wish I had a link handy hut if you google it you will find several articles on it.
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Yeah, you are actually wasting battery by having the screen on in order to end tasks that aren't actually running.
Either way, my battery lasts longer. I understand the logic, but in reality - my battery lasts longer.
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I've read probably 20 or 30 articles on this explaining bboth sides and hundreds of user opinions who say to use them, don't use them, use them once a day, etc and why they think that. I really think it depends on what you do with your phone, because in my personal experience I am a heavy user of my phone, constantly switching applications and loading browsers and whatnot. If I don't use a taskkiller then my phone becomes unresponsive and almost unusable at times. I know you're supposed to stay away from them and I have tried that but it is really obvious that it is useful when I can press a button and have my phone actually work again.
For somebody like the OP that just uses it like a normal phone and not a computer like I do, you probably shouldn't use one unless you are really getting slowdowns. It all depends on what exactly is using the memory and not getting killed by the system.
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I agree to an extent. I use the paid version of system panel to monitor apps like that from time to time. I use the stock task killer and do a level two kill after I have been on my phone switching between programs and such. And it does make a difference is performance. Depending on what you are dping depends on whether you should use one or not. I thinl the big depate is whether you should use an auto kill function. Its one thing to kill all task here and there to improve performance but another to have an app doing it every five or ten minutes. I think that's were the big battery drains happen. Anyway. To each there own and if they see it helps them in how there phone performs and are happy with the results, then maybe a task killer ia for them. For me. I just use the stock task manager and it works fine.
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I'm currently running Infused 2.1 and noticing that my battery life is quite poor. I haven't used the phone much today but it's clearly draining faster than it was the last couple days when I was running stock Froyo. I have my brightness manually set all the way down, GPS is always off, Wifi is set to turn off when screen is off, no sync is active except 'Background Syncing' which apparently I have to keep on for the Marketplace. Only thing I've installed is Go Launcher EX but I can't imagine that this launcher would cause such a dramatic difference in battery. But I digress...
As to my question, I just ran Advanced Task Killer and killed everything running except ATK itself. I then waited maybe 20 seconds and upon launching ATK again, I noticed that I now have the following items listed. Why have all of the below items appeared again?
Facebook
Gmail
Market
YouTube
Google Search
Maps
Superuser
Kies air
WF & Clock widget
http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/Android-OS-Task-Killer-beneficial-or-placebo-only
read this article so you will understand why you dont need a task killer with current android devices. if you search google or even youtube you will find many articles explaining how the os works
Interesting. Good read. So it seems like it's almost counter-productive to use these programs because I'll be honest, I've been using it just about every time before I lock the screen if I've done a bit of stuff on it. If it keeps reactivating these things to make the phone run faster, and I'm having it work harder by always killing them, then I can see that I might be contributing to the problem...
Appreciate the link.
I ended up getting the latest ATT/LG software update, build LMY47D / H81010o. It actually let me choose when to install it so I'm happy about that, but I'm having a few problems. The screen seems to be working better now, taps, touches, swipes, and drags seem to be working correctly - but my phone is running really hot - even after a couple reboots. and for some reason all of my task killers no longer work. I use CCleaner and AVG to flush out ram because even though the G4 has 3gb, about 1.6gb is always in use with factory apps only. None of the task killers detect any running apps now, even the built-in LG task killer doesn't find anything running in the background.
Anyone else having issues with task killers? I've cleared the cache out of them, dumped the data, re-installed them, and they still don't work. I had a few other apps that quit working but once I dumped the cache they started to work again. Also, the phone seems to boot a little quicker and charge faster too, seems like mixed results with the latest upgrade.
Everything I've EVER read about task killers says that they don't really help because they are at odds with Android. And RAM is supposed to be used. Android will drop things out of RAM if it needs more.
The issues with memory leaking are inherent to Lollypop and are "supposedly" addressed in Marshmallow. We'll see.
But I had the same issues with my S6 and S6 Active.
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Task killers shouldn't be used with anything later than Gingerbread. They simply serve no purpose. Android's stock RAM management keeps everything how it needs to be run, and shouldn't be messed with. For example, every time you go and use one of those task killers to flush out your RAM, Android is going to turn around and load those same apps right back into RAM because they're set with certain OOM values that tell Android when to kill them off or when to let them stay in memory.
So, in practice a task killer is probably robbing you of battery power.
The only thing I still don't like about LG's software is that they HAVE tweaked the stock RAM management system that Lollipop uses to favor keeping things in RAM for longer... and things on the G4 can get a little slow sometimes because of it. Just use the app switcher and swipe them away though, that way the app services can still run in the background like they're supposed to.
The G4 would be my ideal Android device if they would ship it with stock Android and just put their apps on top of that. RAM management doesn't need to be messed with, and UI elements don't need messed with (lollipop is quite elegant).
As for the "o" version, I was forced into it. It never asked. It installed itself while my phone was laying on the coffee table. Really pisses me off.
So, Sense has always been this way for a while (the HTC EVO 4G LTE was the worst of them all), and I see that the U11 with *almost stock* software and 4GB of RAM is not enough for it to keep a few more apps in the background.
This is bothersome when trying to play games that start over every time that I switch to another app! Even XDA just restarted and I lost half of this post that I was writing. I don't actually see it as a bug or faulty software...just very aggressive RAM management.
Is there any solution to this? Do custom ROMS even solve this issue?
+1, I'd also like to see how to make the RAM management less aggressive. Right now when I play a game, then switch to Chrome, Facebook, or even just public transport timetables app and then go back, game usually starts over. I thought 4 GB of RAM would be enough to have two games loaded, apparently not
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+1, I'd also like to see how to make the RAM management less aggressive. Right now when I play a game, then switch to Chrome, Facebook, or even just public transport timetables app and then go back, game usually starts over. I thought 4 GB of RAM would be enough to have two games loaded, apparently not
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I don't think that the 4GB of RAM is to blame. There is no justification for closing a game to send a TEXT! I think that they just try to keep as much RAM available at all times, at the cost of convenience.
Boost+ enabled,?
Yeah I think it's the boost+ app. Uninstall it and check. I don't use it and I just launched 25apps and none of them reloads.
Update: hmmm actually they started reloading after 3 mins. Not all of them but half. Wierd. I don't mind though as long as the battery stays like this.
In boost+ I don't allow the background optimizer to kick in in less than 3 days on apps I want to run in background, so that's probably not it.
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In boost+ I don't allow the background optimizer to kick in in less than 3 days on apps I want to run in background, so that's probably not it.
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Neither do I. Even coming from a fresh install and rejecting Boost+, the Task Killer is still aggressive.
I think that it depends on the OOM settings (I think that is the correct acronym...haven't dealt with those for a WHILE....).
I was getting frustrated with a lot of my apps pretty much closing every time I backed out of them causing me to have a huge delay in getting notifications as a best case scenario, and sometimes not getting any at all unless I actually opened the app again, Facebook/Messenger being the biggest culprits, but many others too.
Looking in Settings/Power/Battery Optimization I found that nearly all my apps say they are being optimized. I've never used Boost+ so it seems they have defaulted to this. After toggling a few apps to Not Optimized I've found that these apps no longer close and need to reload when I back out, and notifications come through in a timely manner. Battery life seems unaffected, I still easily get through a day and have at least 50% remaining at bed time. Might be worth looking at
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I was getting frustrated with a lot of my apps pretty much closing every time I backed out of them causing me to have a huge delay in getting notifications as a best case scenario, and sometimes not getting any at all unless I actually opened the app again, Facebook/Messenger being the biggest culprits, but many others too.
Looking in Settings/Power/Battery Optimization I found that nearly all my apps say they are being optimized. I've never used Boost+ so it seems they have defaulted to this. After toggling a few apps to Not Optimized I've found that these apps no longer close and need to reload when I back out, and notifications come through in a timely manner. Battery life seems unaffected, I still easily get through a day and have at least 50% remaining at bed time. Might be worth looking at
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Bro....thank...you! This definitely made a difference so far.... I'll pay attention to see if it makes a big difference in the long run...
Testing as well, thanks! It doesn't seem connected to Boost+ and appears all my apps are optimized by default - even those I never ran on this phone.
Yeah it had me stumped at first but I noticed it last week and changed it then and have had no problems since. Hopefully it sorts it for you too
liberator72 said:
Yeah it had me stumped at first but I noticed it last week and changed it then and have had no problems since. Hopefully it sorts it for you too
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Still restarting apps quicker than I prefer, but much better. Thanks!
The problem is android and how it handles apps. If you want to switch apps then use the recents list to use the multi app function (splitscreen).
Beamed in by telepathy.
I've had my U11 (64/4 variant) for a month now. I'm satisfied with it in general, but I've noticed something really peculiar.
In the first days, my U11 was extremely snappy and fast (opening applications, opening the camera, unlocking the screen, and so forth). However, after using it for a week, I noticed a strange phenomenon: the general speed of my phone was changing all the time. I mean, sometimes, I had to wait approximately 2 seconds for Gmail to load & display my inbox, while sometimes I just tapped on Gmail and it loaded & displayed my inbox almost instantly. (No, Gmail wasn't in the RAM in the latter case...)
It's still happening and I'm not happy about it because I ditched my S7 due to Samsung's tacky and laggy TouchWiz (I heard that it had been renamed, but I don't really care). Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying that SenseUI is laggy and tacky because I love it and I haven't even experienced a slight lag since I had this phone, but the unpredictable speed of my phone is irritating a little bit. By the way, the same goes for the camera (stock application): sometimes, it takes quite long for the camera to load & be ready, while sometimes it doesn't even take a second.
More than 90% of the storage is free and more than 50% of the RAM is free most of the time.
What do I do? Shall I perform a factory reset? As I've mentioned, I'm using the stock ROM and I want to do so in the future, too as I've got used to it.
Htc Boost+ app. If you dont have it get it. If you do have it then check the foreground and background restrictions.
If you're using any apps from 3rd parties that control apps and ram, remove them. Android has it's own app killer and boost+ will do the rest according to how you use the phone.
Signal clarity is also a huge player in the speed of today's devices. If you have a weak wifi or cell signal then the phone has to wait for the data transfer so server connections will suffer, hence why you experience intermittent slow loading.
The camera may take a while because of not being in background or if other apps are consuming resources. Also the more you use an app the quicker it should open as android 'should' hold the app in ram, if theres enough room.
Hope this helps clarify.
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Htc Boost+ app. If you dont have it get it. If you do have it then check the foreground and background restrictions.
If you're using any apps from 3rd parties that control apps and ram, remove them. Android has it's own app killer and boost+ will do the rest according to how you use the phone.
Signal clarity is also a huge player in the speed of today's devices. If you have a weak wifi or cell signal then the phone has to wait for the data transfer so server connections will suffer, hence why you experience intermittent slow loading.
The camera may take a while because of not being in background or if other apps are consuming resources. Also the more you use an app the quicker it should open as android 'should' hold the app in ram, if theres enough room.
Hope this helps clarify.
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Thanks for your reply. I had already used the Boost+ before I posted this thread. I deleted a few apps that I hadn't really used, and now I don't have any problems with my phone as far as speed is concerned.