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Z5 vs Moto X Style/Pure

Hello all,
I was planning on buying the Moto X Pure until I stumbled against this phone. I like it overall but I was wondering if I should go for the Z5. It seems many are having problems with the DRM. Any advice or info on other issues that you would like to point out in this phone? Should I go for it?
I will be upgrading from a Nexus 4.
Any info will be helpful. Thank you

I like a lot about this phone but I have a few bugbears:
1) Battery life is not great. This is my first Android phone, so no frame of reference, but compared to Lumia it's bad
2) Bluetooth audio stutters. No fix
3) Can't use Miracast due to HDCP protection
Otherwise, the phone is great

MisT. said:
Hello all,
I was planning on buying the Moto X Pure until I stumbled against this phone. I like it overall but I was wondering if I should go for the Z5. It seems many are having problems with the DRM. Any advice or info on other issues that you would like to point out in this phone? Should I go for it?
I will be upgrading from a Nexus 4.
Any info will be helpful. Thank you
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It depends, both are good devices.
Moto X Pure:
Pros:
Huge phone(assuming u like bigger phones)
21mp camera seems to be good at doing its job
2k display
good battery life
pure aosp'ish fw
smooth n fast multitasking
Cons:
not good for single handed usage
thick size(11.1mm)
only water repellent, not water resistant
s808 cpu compared to s810
Xperia Z5
Pros:
Perfect size for u, since you're coming from N4
Custom interface of sony
Better camera than moto x pure
slim size(7.3mm)
water resistant(IP68)
s810 is octa core plus qcom has fixed its heating issues
open usb port (No more flaps wearing out issues)
Cons:
Heats up on heavy usage of camera/games but cools down very quickly(Although it doesnt heat as much as older sony phones tbh)
Root possible only through UB, but can patch DRM again despite UB
Battery life is above avg, if not best but its still good.(2 days with moderate usage, 1 day with heavy usage)

2days/1day is absolutely not true. If I don't charge by 4pm I'm commuting without a phone

tOrNadO™ said:
It depends, both are good devices.
Moto X Pure:
Pros:
Huge phone(assuming u like bigger phones)
21mp camera seems to be good at doing its job
2k display
good battery life
pure aosp'ish fw
smooth n fast multitasking
Cons:
not good for single handed usage
thick size(11.1mm)
only water repellent, not water resistant
s808 cpu compared to s810
Xperia Z5
Pros:
Perfect size for u, since you're coming from N4
Custom interface of sony
Better camera than moto x pure
slim size(7.3mm)
water resistant(IP68)
s810 is octa core plus qcom has fixed its heating issues
open usb port (No more flaps wearing out issues)
Cons:
Heats up on heavy usage of camera/games but cools down very quickly(Although it doesnt heat as much as older sony phones tbh)
Root possible only through UB, but can patch DRM again despite UB
Battery life is above avg, if not best but its still good.(2 days with moderate usage, 1 day with heavy usage)
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Thanks for the detailed info!! Another post mentioned the Bluetooth thing, is it truly unfixable? Also, will rooting this phone be beneficial? I love rooting

MisT. said:
Thanks for the detailed info!! Another post mentioned the Bluetooth thing, is it truly unfixable? Also, will rooting this phone be beneficial? I love rooting
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Frankly i've read too many reviews before buying this phone and like 99% of them were just exaggerated and lies, and about the bluetooth issue, i personally use sbh20 bluetooth headset and i've not found any problems using it with my z5(on both lollipop and marshnallow).
To your second question, rooting any phone will always be beneficial. Ex: Removal of bloatware.
And there are new development projects which just started for the z5. Ex: OM5Z Kernel. So i'd root if i were u.. Although be careful to follow the guides properly, else you might lose important stuff. Good day..
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vaderag said:
2days/1day is absolutely not true. If I don't charge by 4pm I'm commuting without a phone
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You definitely should see what's causing the low battery life on your device or get your phone checked by the local service center once to see if you got a defective battery.

Oneplus 8 or Oneplus 8 pro?

Guys I am really confused between buying oneplus 8 or 8 pro. I cant go to stores to checkout both the devices and relying on your reviews for my purchase. I personally like the form factor of op8 and have an appreciation for compact devices overall. I am mainly concerned about the display quality(primarily), 120 vs 90 Hz, camera quality and haptic feedback and does it make a diff in real life. I have watched reviews about the battery life too and op 8 has significantly lesser SOT than 8 pro. If any of you guys have both devices please post some images and your feelings about the devices or feelings about op8 in general.
My usage varies from using social media, video calling, browsing web, lite gaming, and reading a lot of books and watching youtube(not movies).
Please exclude the price factor while giving your valuable opinions.
PS - Asking it here because of software updates improving the devices continuously. No youtuber can factor in those changes.
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I dont think you will find many people who have both devices. My experience of the OP8 is that the 90hz refresh is great. No issues at all. Camera quality works OK for me coming from a OP5. There is no doubt that the OP8 Pro will have a better camera but how much better? I would bet most people can't tell the difference in picture quality, so then it comes down to what features do you want. Haptic feedback seems OK to me.
Is the OP8 that much more compact? Look at them side by side, there's not much of a difference. My OP8 is fine to hold. I've bought a flip case so I can let it stand in landscape mode to watch movies.
Both devices are getting regular s/w updates.
I know you didn't want to talk about price, but honestly, I think it's the deciding factor - that and the extra features of the rear cameras. There's not much else that differentiates the two.
Alan

I've had both. If I had it to do it all over again I would have kept the 8 pro. Don't get me wrong the 8 is a good phone but the pro is so much better imo
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bkeaver said:
I've had both. If I had it to do it all over again I would have kept the 8 pro. Don't get me wrong the 8 is a good phone but the pro is so much better imo
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Isnt the size of 8pro too big? and what about the battery life

Nickinfinity said:
Isnt the size of 8pro too big? and what about the battery life
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Really and truly the size isn't that much different to be concerned with. As for battery I was running qhd at 120 and was still getting around 4 to 5 hours on screen time which imo isn't bad considering the resolution and refresh rate. If you went down to fhd at 120Hz I'd get like 5 to 6 and if I ran it at 60Hz I'd get 6+ depending on which resolution.
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Nickinfinity said:
Isnt the size of 8pro too big? and what about the battery life
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I used both, its safe for me to say in terms of performance, battery life and screen refresh, I didn't notice any difference. What did it for me though is the size, the 8 regular is definitely more comfortable to hold and I have big hands. Also the £200 difference couldn't be justified!

marvi0 said:
I used both, its safe for me to say in terms of performance, battery life and screen refresh, I didn't notice any difference. What did it for me though is the size, the 8 regular is definitely more comfortable to hold and I have big hands. Also the £200 difference couldn't be justified!
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Did u get to test the camera? Also what do you think about the display quality of both the devices in real life.

Is the 8 pro the only with wireless charging? I like that feature because its less wear and tear on the USB plug, every wireless charging phone I had always kept a tighter USB connection , berter when using for data transfer. all phones I have had without wireless charging eventually end up getting less stable / lose USB connections. Motorola use to have a lot of wireless charging phones then they stopped adding them.
The reason I'm asking is I'm thinking about buying one, I didn't notice a finger print scanner or expandable micro SD card slot when I skimmed over the specs. Are these missing?
Thanks

Pixel 5 - Pros, Cons, what's left in between

So, according to the new store page, in comparison to the pixel 4/xl they cut
- Soli
- Faceunlock
- Pixel Neural Core (WHAT?! Why?!)
- Tele-Lens
- Highend Chipset
- Active Edge
- QHD+ Display (from 537 ppi down to 432 ppi )
- ip68 rating (ty u/kelderic, reddit)
And they 'gave' us
+ bigger battery
+ fingerprint (why not both?!)
+ 5G
+ wide (remember Google from last year? "We don't need wide, tele is good")
- Measly +2 GB Ram, still no storage available beyond 128 GB
What do you guys think 'bout that?
Compared to the Pixel 4/xl this just feels like a downgrade, even to the Pixel 3xl it's no real upgrade. Most people who think budget will not turn to this phone and the highend-spenders will not be pleased by this. I don't see googles angle hear, however they haven't shown any good angle recently anyway. And the heck did they remove the neural core? Plus getting a weaker soc.. just madnes.

Apparently neural core made face unlock work quicker so no loss there.
About the only thing I would prefer is higher ppi but I sure don't want to spend $1000 to get it.
My next phone will be 5G so pixel 4/xl aren't an option.
If it's not enough bang for the buck then just wait for black Friday and/or opt for the 4a 5G.
Google phones have never been the best phone for everyone.

Most likely the machine learning Ai stuff is included in the snapdragon 765 so no more dedicated chip is necessary. I would not worry too much

Benjamin_L said:
Most likely the machine learning Ai stuff is included in the snapdragon 765 so no more dedicated chip is necessary. I would not worry too much
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No it is not included. Where did you get that idea?

darkoroje said:
No it is not included. Where did you get that idea?
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https://www.androidauthority.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-765-specs-1059745/
"Finally, Qualcomm’s fifth-gen AI engine is ported over partially intact, with a Hexagon 696 DSP with a dedicated Tensor Accelerator. The setup sports 5.5TOPS of AI compute."
So still I don't know what Google are using but they wouldn't get rid of it if it impacts performance much. So I don't worry

The Samsung S20FE will be competition at the same MSRP, includes Snapdragon 865, 120hz display, 4500mah battery. Appears to be on sale for $599. Of course it isn't a clean google phone.

Benjamin_L said:
https://www.androidauthority.com/qualcomm-snapdragon-765-specs-1059745/
"Finally, Qualcomm’s fifth-gen AI engine is ported over partially intact, with a Hexagon 696 DSP with a dedicated Tensor Accelerator. The setup sports 5.5TOPS of AI compute."
So still I don't know what Google are using but they wouldn't get rid of it if it impacts performance much. So I don't worry
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Seems to be the case https://m.gsmarena.com/the_new_pixe...nt_mean_they_lack_the_features-news-45589.php

The pro is the camera will be brilliant and it's running stock android.
Pretty much everything else about the pixel 5 sucks

force70 said:
The pro is the camera will be brilliant and it's running stock android.
Pretty much everything else about the pixel 5 sucks
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Yeah, good battery life, more than enough processing power for non gamers really sucks

Benjamin_L said:
Yeah, good battery life, more than enough processing power for non gamers really sucks
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Good battery life remains to be seen.
I stand by my original statement, however I suppose I could have made it more clear...for a mid ranger it's fine.
For a flagship (which it isnt). It sucks.
Better?

Pros:
A pure Google software experience
Fingerprint sensor is back( no more awful face unlock)
1080p screen
4080mAh battery
Aluminum back (well, mostly)
Cons:
That awful hole punch (that has me considering canceling my order)
Ultra wide camera replacing the telephoto
Too big
Slow processor
Active edge is gone
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force70 said:
Good battery life remains to be seen.
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Sure, we technically don't know what the battery life will be but just knowing a little bit about phone hardware and some common sense indicates that the battery life should be pretty good.
The biggest battery drain on any phone is the screen mainly due to the screen resolution. So take the Pixel 4 XL for example. The battery life wasn't too bad but not great either. Now increase the size of the battery 10%, decrease the number of pixels by 42%(that alone is huge), decrease the overall screen area by 11%, add in a slightly more power efficient processor, remove Soli and remove face unlock and you basically have the Pixel 5. The only thing really working against the Pixel 5 in terms of battery life is the 5G which I'm going to turn off anyways. I have no concerns about the battery life of the Pixel 5.

The more interesting comparison is to the 4a. A significant price difference but both are a similar size and real world performance would be similar too.
This just leaves wireless charging, IP and maybe 90hz as the tangible differences you would notice day to day. Maybe it will feel more premium in hand too but that is hard to know right now.
I got the 4a with the intention of giving it to one of my parents with the 5 landed, I am now hesitating though as the 4a is terrific and I am not sure the 5 is £250 better.

great battery life great phone.
I have only had my pixel 5 for a week and i am super impressed with the battery life. I have been getting 3 days out of it . At the moment it has 25 % left and it's used 8 hours and 26 minutes of screen use , that's using google to simply surf the net and as I am a distribution driver i use Google Maps daily, I also make multiple calls daily and use Bluetooth all day for my vans multi media unit and my zenwatch 3 all day I am 61 years old so I have had tons of phones and I have to say i think this phone stacks up with the best including the Asus rog 3

Pros: Battery, form factor/weight, software.
Con: Price for what is being offered. The speakers are just OK. The gap issue from production quality. Luckily I was able to get my P5 for net cost of about 461 including tax after stacking a bunch of promos, etc. Also no gap issue on mine.
I'm not an iPhone fanatic so I have nothing to say about the iPhone 12. The only phone that I currently have and would recommend is the S20FE, but not at MSRP AND if it doesn't have these touch screen issues that people are talking about. Only thing with Samsung phones is that you have to spend additional time to customize to your liking and reducing bloat. I was also pleasantly surprised with the camera qualify after making settings adjustments to reduce saturation and softening in photos.

After using mine for about a week, I am kind of regretting trading in my 4XL for one reason....the ear speaker quality. It is literally the worst sounding earpiece and is extremely quiet relative to my 4XL. I was driving on the highway yesterday and could barely hear my client on the other end. Had to plug in my wired headset. Unacceptable. I will probably send in for a new unit to see if its any better, but everyone seems to have the same comment as I.
I can settle with almost every concession Google took, and I do think the fingerprint is a big welcome back feature. I hate face unlock especially with having to wear masks. Never made sense to me. The hole punch doesnt both me.

As far as Active edge is concerned. I guess, apparently the feature isn't 'official' on the Pixel 5.
Check the apps,mods section here on xda.
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toneneuewin said:
Pros: Battery, form factor/weight, software.
Con: Price for what is being offered. The speakers are just OK. The gap issue from production quality. Luckily I was able to get my P5 for net cost of about 461 including tax after stacking a bunch of promos, etc. Also no gap issue on mine.
I'm not an iPhone fanatic so I have nothing to say about the iPhone 12. The only phone that I currently have and would recommend is the S20FE, but not at MSRP AND if it doesn't have these touch screen issues that people are talking about. Only thing with Samsung phones is that you have to spend additional time to customize to your liking and reducing bloat. I was also pleasantly surprised with the camera qualify after making settings adjustments to reduce saturation and softening in photos.
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I've sold my FE for the Pixel. The screen issues are annoying albeit the last update seems to have sorted it, but I just cannot live with the Samsung nonsense like cannot delete Samsung photos app and playing a dance to get to Google Photos
It's a great phone the FE but not when you are Googled up for home and work and can't be bothered working around 2 of everything
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Davey Dual Sim said:
I've sold my FE for the Pixel. The screen issues are annoying albeit the last update seems to have sorted it, but I just cannot live with the Samsung nonsense like cannot delete Samsung photos app and playing a dance to get to Google Photos
It's a great phone the FE but not when you are Googled up for home and work and can't be bothered working around 2 of everything
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The Pixel 5 is great. It just works out of the box. I'm enjoying mine and it has been a couple of weeks. You can debloat Samsung, but obviously that's additional steps. It's not hard, but quite frankly I just don't want to invest time with custom ROMs, adb commands, etc. Those days are long gone lol.

No me neither, I don't even want to root phones anymore can't be bothered
The FE would be a winner of Samsung ran stock Android
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Davey Dual Sim said:
No me neither, I don't even want to root phones anymore can't be bothered
The FE would be a winner of Samsung ran stock Android
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A bit true..but this would never happen. Htc had 1 model with 2 versions ...one with htc software and one with google only ...

Question snapdragon heat

hey guys!
i just bought my phone in israel and for the first time we have the snapdragon version
but i like high brightness so i put the extra brightness on
but the phone become very hot for regular use
my question is the heat is because the extra brightness ?
or the snapdragon this year gets alot hot then the exynoss
thx!!!

nosferatu123 said:
hey guys!
i just bought my phone in israel and for the first time we have the snapdragon version
but i like high brightness so i put the extra brightness on
but the phone become very hot for regular use
my question is the heat is because the extra brightness ?
or the snapdragon this year gets alot hot then the exynoss
thx!!!
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Max brightness is bad for the mobile in many regards. Problem 1 is burn in, problem 2 is high battery usage, problem 3 is heat. The snapdragon alone gets very hot, plus full brightness makes a hot mobile. Try to use adaptive brightness for better battery life and better burn in protection.

And consider a Spigen Cryo Armor for better heat dissipation.
Spigen Cryo Armor

nosferatu123 said:
hey guys!
i just bought my phone in israel and for the first time we have the snapdragon version
but i like high brightness so i put the extra brightness on
but the phone become very hot for regular use
my question is the heat is because the extra brightness ?
or the snapdragon this year gets alot hot then the exynoss
thx!!!
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Hi nosferatu123
previously with the 888 variant headt was an issue but after some software updates heat issues fixed.
I consider to purchase this variant as snapdragon always get better performance than eksynos,
Your variant is S908E/DS?
Do you have dual sim and esim support like eksynos S908B/DS ?
Can you tell me if Greek language is included with fully supported Greek menu (not just added not in all apps after)
thanks
regards

gpx said:
Hi nosferatu123
previously with the 888 variant headt was an issue but after some software updates heat issues fixed.
I consider to purchase this variant as snapdragon always get better performance than eksynos,
Your variant is S908E/DS?
Do you have dual sim and esim support like eksynos S908B/DS ?
Can you tell me if Greek language is included with fully supported Greek menu (not just added not in all apps after)
thanks
regards
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I have to disagree with the claim that the SD888 issue fixed with software updates. Over a year later, my S21U SD888 is literally always running warm - ranges from 34-39C while using it for literally anything - phone calls, reading text, IG, YouTube, browsing, etc. The only way to keep my S21U not warm is by not using it at all. Sucks that Samsung is just ignoring this.

Sharpshooterrr said:
I have to disagree with the claim that the SD888 issue fixed with software updates. Over a year later, my S21U SD888 is literally always running warm - ranges from 34-39C while using it for literally anything - phone calls, reading text, IG, YouTube, browsing, etc. The only way to keep my S21U not warm is by not using it at all. Sucks that Samsung is just ignoring this.
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I can confirm my s21 ultra also suffers from heat issues. Tested it by recording in 4k and 8k, got the dreaded phone is hot message after only 5 mins in.
This is with all updates, it still has issues.

Question One 5.0 discussion

When do we get the one ui 5.0 for the s22 ultra snapdragon? Plus what are u guys expecting to get with it ? Personally i want more battery . Why can iphones get 10sot with 4300 mh and we get 4 to 5 sot with 5000 mh

We'll sometime this fall or early winter.
Iyad22 said:
When do we get the one ui 5.0 for the s22 ultra snapdragon?
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We'll get it sometime this fall or early winter.
Iyad22 said:
Plus what are u guys expecting to get with it ? Personally i want more battery . Why can iphones get 10sot with 4300 mh and we get 4 to 5 sot with 5000 mh
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Because you can actually do stuff with an S22 Ultra. iPhones are just expensive, overrated toys.

I am on the beta for both my S22 Ultra and my S22. So far I am liking it.Battery life is pretty good. Have only had my S22 Ultra since last Thursday but the first thing I did after set up was enroll it in the beta and when I did, it downloaded beta 2 since that is what had been released that day.
Both devices are T-Mobile Snapdragon 128GB models.

Recent iphones have good battery because they aggressively kill apps in the background. One difference is that they provide services for notification delivery through the OS so notifications still go through even if the app is hibernating.

gernerttl said:
We'll sometime this fall or early winter.
We'll get it sometime this fall or early winter.
Because you can actually do stuff with an S22 Ultra. iPhones are just expensive, overrated toys.
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True i agree i have a 13 pro max too and the first thing comes to my mind is how boring it is

truckerdewd said:
I am on the beta for both my S22 Ultra and my S22. So far I am liking it.Battery life is pretty good. Have only had my S22 Ultra since last Thursday but the first thing I did after set up was enroll it in the beta and when I did, it downloaded beta 2 since that is what had been released that day.
Both devices are T-Mobile Snapdragon 128GB models.
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I wont enroll in the beta im waiting for the official version. But glad to know they did some battery improvement

malimukk said:
Recent iphones have good battery because they aggressively kill apps in the background. One difference is that they provide services for notification delivery through the OS so notifications still go through even if the app is hibernating.
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I rather have good battery then anything else tho . I have to keep my s22 ultra in 60hz and sometimes even 720 to get throw my day . And the best feature they added is to pause charging while gaming that helped alot

Iyad22 said:
I rather have good battery then anything else tho . I have to keep my s22 ultra in 60hz and sometimes even 720 to get throw my day . And the best feature they added is to pause charging while gaming that helped alot
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If that is the case I suggest you to check which apps you are running, disable background services and put them all into deep sleep mode. That will help more than using a lower resolution and refresh rate.

Iyad22 said:
True i agree i have a 13 pro max too and the first thing comes to my mind is how boring it is
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I am using both phones. The 13 Pro max battery life compliments the refined apps and user experience albeit the complete absence of multitasking and versatility specially office work. What's the rationale behind using the most powerful SoC in the World? To drive what?!!
Samsung proved that they are capable of creating solid OS more stable than Google itself BUT lacks the quality of life enhancements available in the iphone such as keychain and the numerous privacy features, high quality optimized apps, etc.

malimukk said:
If that is the case I suggest you to check which apps you are running, disable background services and put them all into deep sleep mode. That will help more than using a lower resolution and refresh rate.
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I cant disable google services because then nothing else works like youtube and maps and stuff . Im planning to factory reset it now because i switched with smart switch from my s21 ultra which used to get 6 to 7 sot with 120hz and mostly 1440p

Tdroider said:
I am using both phones. The 13 Pro max battery life compliments the refined apps and user experience albeit the complete absence of multitasking and versatility specially office work. What's the rationale behind using the most powerful SoC in the World? To drive what?!!
Samsung proved that they are capable of creating solid OS more stable than Google itself BUT lacks the quality of life enhancements available in the iphone such as keychain and the numerous privacy features, high quality optimized apps, etc.
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There is only 2 things lacking samsung now .. battery and better optimization with apps . Thats it

Tdroider said:
I am using both phones. The 13 Pro max battery life compliments the refined apps and user experience albeit the complete absence of multitasking and versatility specially office work. What's the rationale behind using the most powerful SoC in the World? To drive what?!!
Samsung proved that they are capable of creating solid OS more stable than Google itself BUT lacks the quality of life enhancements available in the iphone such as keychain and the numerous privacy features, high quality optimized apps, etc.
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*yawn*
The iPhone is about as exciting as Jason Mamoa's TV show.