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Will Xiaomi release kernel sources fully for this smartphone & therefore able to have active rom development (including Android M 6.0 roms) in the near future ?
(Kernel sources for the Xiaomi Mi3 & Mi4 were released very late and not in full and are the reason I believe that many Lollipop roms for these devices are not stable).
I think it depends on whether the device goes international. They were quick to release the sources for the Mi4i, and that is the only phone they officially sell internationally. That said, at least it uses the most common SOC of 2015.
Does it help that it has the same soc as the nexus 5x?
ermacwins said:
Does it help that it has the same soc as the nexus 5x?
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It helps a little bit maybe, but the problem is all the other stuff inside the phone is different. You still need proper sources from Xiaomi.
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Do Xiaomi devices have root "built-in" ?
I'm interested in ROM development, too, but for the first months having root would be enough.
Giocarro said:
Do Xiaomi devices have root "built-in" ?
I'm interested in ROM development, too, but for the first months having root would be enough.
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I have seen a guide on MIUI forum: "How to flash TWRP Recovery and Super Su(Root) on Xiaomi Mi4C"
Having access to kernel will also mean ir blaster will work on custom roms?
ermacwins said:
Having access to kernel will also mean ir blaster will work on custom roms?
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Don't count on that. Many device that have kernel source and ir blasters still don't work on aosp based roms. Due to all the drivers for the hardware being closed sourced.
zelendel said:
Don't count on that. Many device that have kernel source and ir blasters still don't work on aosp based roms. Due to all the drivers for the hardware being closed sourced.
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When we say kernel source, is that pertaining to the soc?
ermacwins said:
When we say kernel source, is that pertaining to the soc?
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The kernel covers all aspects of the device in one form or another.
zelendel said:
The kernel covers all aspects of the device in one form or another.
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Let's say xiaomi is taking long to release their kernel source but the source for nexus 5x soc is out, would that be enough for aosp rom?
ermacwins said:
Let's say xiaomi is taking long to release their kernel source but the source for nexus 5x soc is out, would that be enough for aosp rom?
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No it won't. You will also need the device tree for this device. It's not how long it takes for them to release it that I would be worried about. It's if the source is complete and not broken like they are known to release. They have a habit of release broken source to force users to use miui. If you look at other devices from this OEM it takes months some times a year before they release it and when they do it is broken and devs have to take weeks to get it even remotely working. Then there are still bugs that are never fixed.
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No it won't. You will also need the device tree for this device. It's not how long it takes for them to release it that I would be worried about. It's if the source is complete and not broken like they are known to release. They have a habit of release broken source to force users to use miui. If you look at other devices from this OEM it takes months some times a year before they release it and when they do it is broken and devs have to take weeks to get it even remotely working. Then there are still bugs that are never fixed.
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So having an aosp based rom as a daily driver is out of the question?
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So having an aosp based rom as a daily driver is out of the question?
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isn't the Broken OS ROM by TS Team AOSP based ?
Of interest:
[News] Mi 3/4/Note Kernel Source Code Released! Next to Be, Mi Note PRO, Mi 4c/S:
http://en.miui.com/thread-235127-1-1.html
Don't sceptical, I reconstruct Redmi 2 kernel source without any help from Xiaomi. They released Redmi 2 kernel source for KitKat when my device already run "fully open source" and almost bug free Marshmallow :laugh:
Will community continue to develop to this phone after cyanogenmod is done in 6 days? As some of you may know Cyanogen inc had lots of issues so they decided to shutdown the company after 7 years of work. Some of the official devs started to tease a cyanogenmod reborn, named Lineage OS. You can find them on twitter, facebook, google+ and their new site lineageos.org . The site is still wip but i hope that Lineage OS will be developed for this phone and i dont have to throw my phone off the window just cause i dont have the latest update
As the source code will still available and the team is willing to continue, I see no reason for stopping, as long as our device maintainers support this device. But it may slow down a bit for a while, it's been a major transition after all. And rest of the custom ROMs might get affected too. Better to stay tuned in every thread possible, ours is not so big
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Gravemind2015 said:
As the source code will still available and the team is willing to continue, I see no reason for stopping, as long as our device maintainers support this device. But it may slow down a bit for a while, it's been a major transition after all. And rest of the custom ROMs might get affected too. Better to stay tuned in every thread possible, ours is not so big
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youre right. i guess ill make sure im in the latest nightly in the next days if anything happens
The question is will CyanogenMod continue to live now that they have lost all support from Cyanogen, including build servers, monetary, and technical support... CyanogenMod will be renamed to LineageOS... The biggest problem is all development on Moto G 2015 (and many other Moto devices) is based on CyanogenMod, and there is no other source at this time. How will that play out? We don't know yet...
A well formed (and informed) answer from Stack Exchange's Android Enthusiast group:
CM's own blog is unreachable now, but XDA-Developers already summed it up and clarified some important bits:
All monetary and infrastructural support for CyanogenMod from Cyanogen Inc. will cease. -> CyanogenMod will no longer receive nightly builds after December 31st... unless the team finds another host to build nightlies.
The CyanogenMod team will not continue official development on the project.
CyanogenMod will rebrand as LineageOS.
Since it's clear that Cyngn is going in a new direction, Cyanogen OS will almost certainly have no future, since it's not community-driven in the first place. CyanogenMod, on the other hand, will live a bit longer, until Lineage dawns (or fails).
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Wasn't Omnirom a fork of CM after the creation of Cyanogen Inc? As I recall all the developers were upset over going commercial and the future of cyanogenmod. Lineage OS would in essence be a fork of Cyanogenmod as well. I think it will really depend on whether they can find funding for some build infrastructure and how many developers jump on board.
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The question is will CyanogenMod continue to live now that they have lost all support from Cyanogen, including build servers, monetary, and technical support... CyanogenMod will be renamed to LineageOS... The biggest problem is all development on Moto G 2015 (and many other Moto devices) is based on CyanogenMod, and there is no other source at this time. How will that play out? We don't know yet...
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The repositories are being mirrored (probably 'forked' is the correct term) into linageOS so I think we'll have a copy of our source code. And they said the source code for CM would still be available.
https://github.com/LineageOS?tab=repositories
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BTW, it isn't ending on Dec 31st like most people thought... it's ending prior to Dec 31st... They lost DNS and Jenkins yesterday, the blog is gone (so no reference to the official posts), official Cyanogen and CyanogenMod websites are down, and probably more that I haven't noticed mentioned yet are gone already.
But https://download.cyanogenmod.org is still live.
What would be the status of other custom roms that are based on cyanogenmod. Would they be affected ?
aa1010 said:
What would be the status of other custom roms that are based on cyanogenmod. Would they be affected ?
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Of course...ALL ROMs for this device, except stock based ones, use the CM device tree and base code... Will LineageOS replace that? Right now it appears that way but time will tell.
To be honest, if CM/LineageOS doesn't make it... Probably 80℅ of all ROMs out there will disappear as we know them today, we really don't know the long-term effects this will have on the ROM community.
Some dumb questions:
1. LineageOS is the same team as CM?
2. There's a release date for the lineageOS and it will be compatible with moto g 2015?
3. To keep updated is better to wait or change to an AOSP based rom since AOSP will still be releasing?
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Some dumb questions:
1. LineageOS is the same team as CM?
2. There's a release date for the lineageOS and it will be compatible with moto g 2015?
3. To keep updated is better to wait or change to an AOSP based rom since AOSP will still be releasing?
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1.2.3 i dunno but i hope everything will be fine
h0ttentot said:
Some dumb questions:
1. LineageOS is the same team as CM?
2. There's a release date for the lineageOS and it will be compatible with moto g 2015?
3. To keep updated is better to wait or change to an AOSP based rom since AOSP will still be releasing?
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1. Yes, to a point... for more information look at http://lineageos.org/Yes-this-is-us/
2. We don't know yet, they do not have build servers at the moment
3. I would wait, there is little chance of getting a working AOSP device tree at this time, but we will just have to wait and see.
The point is, right now we don't know exactly how this is all going to play out... we need to have patience and just see what happens.
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I would suggest everyone following this thread, look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/2015-moto-g/general/cyanogenmod-to-lineageos-t3526944
Mi 8/Mi 8 Explorer Edition/Poco F1 Same Branch
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource/tree/dipper-o-oss
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Mi 8/Mi 8 Explorer Edition/Poco F1 Same Branch
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource/tree/dipper-o-oss
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Blimey! That's a very good sign!
Hopefully they're intact and usable
thesoupthief said:
Blimey! That's a very good sign!
Hopefully they're intact and usable
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Indeed, Hoping for great future and development for this device, The cheapest SD 845 yet.
isnt this a security lapse
prabaharanaece said:
isnt this a security lapse
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Lol are you joking? Xiaomi have themselves released the kernel sources. How does that make it a security lapse when they themselves announced this during the phone launch?
Great news! Hope to see LineageOS soon for this phone.
kishore1998 said:
Lol are you joking? Xiaomi have themselves released the kernel sources. How does that make it a security lapse when they themselves announced this during the phone launch?
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It is rather a question from me, I know mi released the codes but question is can it be used by someone for hacking this phone. I guess it would be more easier for the hackers now.
prabaharanaece said:
It is rather a question from me, I know mi released the codes but question is can it be used by someone for hacking this phone. I guess it would be more easier for the hackers now.
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POCO F1 is not the only phone with it's kernel source released. You will find kernel sources released for many phones by different brands (Sony, Samsung, LG, OnePlus and so many more). The purpose of releasing the source is to accommodate custom ROM and Kernel development by developer community (like XDA) and find out vulnerability (if any) in the process. Any vulnerability found is usually patched in updates. Yes the source can be used to compile a kernel or ROM with malicious code or an app which'd try to exploit the vulnerability but it will only affect those who'd install any such app/kernel/ROM. Now any flashaholic you'd meet will tell you how they'd only install apps from trusted sources and flash ROMs/Kernels available on XDA etc. In nutshell, I don't think trying to hack a phone using kernel source is worth it as it targets very limited people who are cautious enough on what to install on their phones making it more difficult to hack. Any developer can enlighten you more on the issue as I might be totally wrong on the issue too.
P.S. It's because of such source code releases that community like XDA is thriving.
prabaharanaece said:
isnt this a security lapse
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All linux based kernels are open source
Also it is mandatory for OEMs to release kernel sources per GPL license rules.
I got my phone today, waiting for some awesome development..
Thank you everyone for comments :good:. I got my phone today as well
Will only buy it if any rom(i wish for Omni) is built from sources(not ported rom) and officially supports Treble <3
Otherwise simply useless phone for me :X
Would suggest the same for others too
xuser_ said:
Will only buy it if any rom(i wish for Omni) is built from sources(not ported rom) and officially supports Treble <3
Otherwise simply useless phone for me :X
Would suggest the same for others too
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All roms are build from aosp and other sources, this is not 2012 where ported roms exists here. What are you talking about? Also, the phone is launched with 8.1 so it officially supports treble out of the box. You high or what?
Btw: good to see early release of kernel source but on the other hand, the unlocking of bootloader showing me 30 days (720hours). How will I live for 30 days using MIUI?
Does anyone know about this topic?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-note-10/how-to/custom-development-t4018813
In short:there are same some efforts trying to get custom Roms but nothing groundbreaking yet.
I am working on the device tree right now to compile from source. Not ready yet and don't have the device in hand right now (should arrive soon) s.o. else is trying with treble images.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-note-10/how-to/custom-development-t4018813
In short:there are same some efforts trying to get custom Roms but nothing groundbreaking yet.
I am working on the device tree right now to compile from source. Not ready yet and don't have the device in hand right now (should arrive soon) s.o. else is trying with treble images.
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I thought device tree is something that was used to be leaked from Xiaomi
As far as I can see there is no device tree published by xiaomi for tucana (our device)
Only thing we have rn is kernel source.
But we can create device tree by ourself. There are some basic guides online. Rest is compare with existing device trees for similar devices and copy&paste.
for now I have downloaded k20 device tree, removed everything k20-specific (e. G. Popup Camera) and adapt further files for our device(s)
When my handset arrives (should be today) I can start unlock procedure (should take some time to get the code AFAIK), then I can unlock bootloader, flash custom recovery and see if I can get my device to boot properly after flashing... Then comes troubleshooting.
Right now I am expecting maybe a halfway booting device or broken/missing functionality at best. But we will see
I hope soon
The more people help together the faster we can get some Roms ?
nchantmnt said:
The more people help together the faster we can get some Roms ?
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If you have a group for this, would you pm?
No group yet, but you still get an pm
Anyone willing to collaborate is welcome to pm me as well
I have seen this Android 9 source code. Is it helpful?
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource/tree/tucana-p-oss
I thought this model would have more support and after 4 months there is no Rom. I hope that now that the price is going down more people buy it and we have more community. Thank you for what you know and develop.
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I have seen this Android 9 source code. Is it helpful?
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource/tree/tucana-p-oss
I thought this model would have more support and after 4 months there is no Rom. I hope that now that the price is going down more people buy it and we have more community. Thank you for what you know and develop.
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Just an incomplete kernel sources, I think is useless.
https://www.xda-developers.com/poss...-fcc-certified-snapdragon-730g-penta-cameras/
There will be a lite edition soon. The only difference on hardware is number of pixels.
If its ROM is same or almost the same to current models, we should get some progress around development.
Anything new?
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Does anyone know about this topic?
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Please look at the existing topics first, before opening another topic!
nchantmnt said:
As far as I can see there is no device tree published by xiaomi for tucana (our device)
Only thing we have rn is kernel source.
But we can create device tree by ourself. There are some basic guides online. Rest is compare with existing device trees for similar devices and copy&paste.
for now I have downloaded k20 device tree, removed everything k20-specific (e. G. Popup Camera) and adapt further files for our device(s)
When my handset arrives (should be today) I can start unlock procedure (should take some time to get the code AFAIK), then I can unlock bootloader, flash custom recovery and see if I can get my device to boot properly after flashing... Then comes troubleshooting.
Right now I am expecting maybe a halfway booting device or broken/missing functionality at best. But we will see
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Well, just tell me if you need help.
Same here, I am very tempted by the Note 10 but I am waiting for an aosp rom as many people complained about the stock miui rom
Any news or update on this? Would love to buy a Mi Note 10 as their prices have gone down but with the lack of development I'm kind of leaning towards the 9t even tho I'm worried about that front camera as some have had issues. I suspect not many are developing for this device because of the high price. Hopefully whoever said something up there about the Note 10 lite gets custom ROMs going with more devs
I'm still trying here but very short on time. We have some good progress on device tree thanks to someone else (thanks Hlcpereira).
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I'm still trying here but very short on time. We have some good progress on device tree thanks to someone else (thanks Hlcpereira).
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yes he is working on this device.
nchantmnt said:
I'm still trying here but very short on time. We have some good progress on device tree thanks to someone else (thanks Hlcpereira).
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Awesome news! Thanks :good:
I think the development goes now straight because we have MIUI Stable based on Android 10 now.
Good luck!
Hello,
I'd like to get into android ROM development. But I will need help/guidance.
I've managed to build lineageos for curtana using xiaomi kernel and malachite device tree and vendor files. Don't know it it actually works as I don't have the device
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So as I said I'd like to learn it, but as android is big I am still kinda lost in it. I know i can create something that already is, but that is not useful to the others, so that's why I am thinking about these 2 devices xiaomi note 10 or note 10 lite as they don't have any roms yet.
So if there is anyone who will be able to help and guide me through the process of getting device tree, vendor files and using (xiaomi) kernel putting it all together, I will be more than happy to buy one of those devices and go and create and support some lineageos, aosp and or pixel experience roms.
Thanks
Gajdalf said:
Hello,
I'd like to get into android ROM development. But I will need help/guidance.
I've managed to build lineageos for curtana using xiaomi kernel and malachite device tree and vendor files. Don't know it it actually works as I don't have the device
.
So as I said I'd like to learn it, but as android is big I am still kinda lost in it. I know i can create something that already is, but that is not useful to the others, so that's why I am thinking about these 2 devices xiaomi note 10 or note 10 lite as they don't have any roms yet.
So if there is anyone who will be able to help and guide me through the process of getting device tree, vendor files and using (xiaomi) kernel putting it all together, I will be more than happy to buy one of those devices and go and create and support some lineageos, aosp and or pixel experience roms.
Thanks
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The problem is that there are no working trees yet. The only thing which is not working is the display. the display is just dead