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Contrast (true blacks)

How well do you know your fifty shades of grey? Rate this thread to express how good the Huawei Nexus 6P's display contrast is. A higher rating indicates that black is true black, rather than a very dark gray.
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Great contrast thanks to AMOLED

It gets backly black as if the screen was off exactly like other OLED displays I've used(S4, Note 4, S6)
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Actually, in real world usage blacks are pretty poor/washed out, unless you're in a dark room. When the screen is off you can see the surface of the screen is much lighter than, say, Samsung AMOLED phones. It's more like greenish dark grey rather than black so even if the actual pixels are turned off, it doesn't look black. It's even worse than many LCDs. I have no idea how come no one has mentioned this in any reviews, or at least I've never seen it.

Jockson said:
Actually, in real world usage blacks are pretty poor/washed out, unless you're in a dark room. When the screen is off you can see the surface of the screen is much lighter than, say, Samsung AMOLED phones. It's more like greenish dark grey rather than black so even if the actual pixels are turned off, it doesn't look black. It's even worse than many LCDs. I have no idea how come no one has mentioned this in any reviews, or at least I've never seen it.
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ROFL are you hallucinating? My 6P's blacks are pitch black. The way I can tell... The edge of the screen, when black, is equal to the blacks on the top and bottom of the screen.

Eric214 said:
ROFL are you hallucinating? My 6P's blacks are pitch black. The way I can tell... The edge of the screen, when black, is equal to the blacks on the top and bottom of the screen.
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Except that is not true. Take a look at the screen when it is turned off. The surrounding bezel is truly black but the screen itself is greenish gray, meaning blacks are not getting darker than that. Then look at a Samsung AMOLED phone and you'll see it's the other way around, it's the screen itself that is as black as it gets. Samsung obviously uses different filters/polarizers which result in much better blacks in anything other than total darkness. I just compared my 6P to an old Galaxy S2 and again, the S2 has much deeper blacks thanks to the actual surface being much darker. You only really get true pitch black when you're using the 6P in a dark room. Otherwise blacks are pretty much on par with your average LCD, which is a poor result for an AMOLED screen.

Jockson said:
Except that is not true. Take a look at the screen when it is turned off. The surrounding bezel is truly black but the screen itself is greenish gray, meaning blacks are not getting darker than that. Then look at a Samsung AMOLED phone and you'll see it's the other way around, it's the screen itself that is as black as it gets. Samsung obviously uses different filters/polarizers which result in much better blacks in anything other than total darkness. I just compared my 6P to an old Galaxy S2 and again, the S2 has much deeper blacks thanks to the actual surface being much darker. You only really get true pitch black when you're using the 6P in a dark room. Otherwise blacks are pretty much on par with your average LCD, which is a poor result for an AMOLED screen.
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Well, it's true on mine. Maybe your panel is different then mine. I just compared my 6P to my Note 4 and they look the same. Which makes sense since Huawei buys there panels from Samsung so they are the same panels. Only difference is Samsung panels get a few nits brighter.
Guess we can agree to disagree. Especially since you can get different quality panels from phone to phone. Just like that can happen on Samsung phones.
Oh and I forgot, there are no filters to make blacks, black as you don't filter light on Amoled screens. The pixel just doesn't receive power so the pixel is off, not filtered. What you are referring to is an LCD panel, not Amoled

Eric214 said:
Well, it's true on mine. Maybe your panel is different then mine. I just compared my 6P to my Note 4 and they look the same. Which makes sense since Huawei buys there panels from Samsung so they are the same panels. Only difference is Samsung panels get a few nits brighter.
Guess we can agree to disagree. Especially since you can get different quality panels from phone to phone. Just like that can happen on Samsung phones.
Oh and I forgot, there are no filters to make blacks, black as you don't filter light on Amoled screens. The pixel just doesn't receive power so the pixel is off, not filtered. What you are referring to is an LCD panel, not Amoled
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It has nothing to do with pixels being off. Look here https://technology.ihs.com/509943/w...izer-technology-trend-of-amoled-use-polarizer
Remember the first Nexus, the Nexus One? It also had an amoled screen, with terrible blacks. How was that possible? Because the actual surface of the screen was so reflective, if there was even a little bit of ambient light reaching the screen it would completely wash it out. Whether the actual pixels emitted any light was irrelevant in any other conditions other than complete darkness.
There are no different panels being used on the 6P. Just take the phone out of a dark room and you'll see the screen is clearly not as black as the bezels when it's turned off. I have so far compared it to the following phones: Note 5, S6 edge, S4, S4 mini, S2. All of them have deeper blacks than the 6P due to their surface being darker. It may be a Samsung panel but it's not the same one as used by Samsung on their devices. Even Anandtech have mentioned it uses different lamination which actually provides slightly better viewing angles. What's strange is that the more off angle you go, the lighter the surface appears. Can be seen in this video comparing the 6P to the 5X http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtDCBSKQV8&t=3m44s Obviously it's not as bad when looking head on but it's still pretty poor for an amoled screen.

Jockson said:
It has nothing to do with pixels being off. Look here https://technology.ihs.com/509943/w...izer-technology-trend-of-amoled-use-polarizer
Remember the first Nexus, the Nexus One? It also had an amoled screen, with terrible blacks. How was that possible? Because the actual surface of the screen was so reflective, if there was even a little bit of ambient light reaching the screen it would completely wash it out. Whether the actual pixels emitted any light was irrelevant in any other conditions other than complete darkness.
There are no different panels being used on the 6P. Just take the phone out of a dark room and you'll see the screen is clearly not as black as the bezels when it's turned off. I have so far compared it to the following phones: Note 5, S6 edge, S4, S4 mini, S2. All of them have deeper blacks than the 6P due to their surface being darker. It may be a Samsung panel but it's not the same one as used by Samsung on their devices. Even Anandtech have mentioned it uses different lamination which actually provides slightly better viewing angles. What's strange is that the more off angle you go, the lighter the surface appears. Can be seen in this video comparing the 6P to the 5X http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXtDCBSKQV8&t=3m44s Obviously it's not as bad when looking head on but it's still pretty poor for an amoled screen.
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Hmmm sorry man mine is just black. Agree to disagree. Can't say any better then that. I'm moving on. If your not happy with the phone for that reason, sell it and get a Samsung.

Well, it was nice discussing with you but one may as well say "mine is pink, agree to disagree". It doesn't really mean anything as far as facts go.
I just took out my old Nexus 5 and surprise surprise, it absolutely kills the 6P when it comes to black depth in well lit conditions. The surface of the screen simply reflects way too much light.

Hahaha so many people here producing disinformations...
AMOLED, especiall Super, has 0.098% of light coming thru when fully black but on. That's the blackest as it gets.
6P, Note's, S6, S7. have the BEST SCREENS around. And by far.
Turn on sRGB mode in developer options if u want, a bit washed, but 100% accurate colors. What u see is what u get on print. But why would u use that, unless you're a professional photographer like me.

mihovil13 said:
AMOLED, especiall Super, has 0.098% of light coming thru when fully black but on. That's the blackest as it gets.
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Coming through what? Screen surface reflectiveness is what matters the most when it comes to black depth outdoors. LCDs have extremely high MEASURED black levels in comparison to AMOLED but you can't see that outside because of ambient light. Case in point, the 6P looks worse than most good LCDs outside. It's like when people claim plasma TVs have amazing blacks but forget to mention that is only true in low light conditions.

Jockson I understand and agree with you. The screen on the 6P has a lighter surface color than the black bezels above and below which is noticeable. It isn't a major detractor from the visual quality screen on, but I agree that in a bright setting, blacks don't get to be as black as could be. It isn't bad by any means, but unless you get a completely black unreflective layer it may not be easy to improve (or Samsung is hogging it all to themselves).
Either way, you're right though the quality of the screen is still really good on the 6P so, yea. Still like my 6P, even after using a HTC 10 with it for the past 6 months. Both great, but the 6P has me returning to it more, for now.

Finally someone understands what I'm talking about. I don't want to "sell this phone and buy a Samsung then". I already had the Note 5 and got rid of it for the 6P. Love this phone, love the screen as well in low light conditions. But this really caught me by surprise. I've switched to a full black theme and outside, it really shows how washed out it really is. On a cloudy day outside, blacks on the Note 5 look almost perfectly black and yet the 6P next to it looks horribly washed out and more like greenish grey. I knew it wouldn't compete with the Note 5 in direct sunlight but it's pretty disappointing that it loses out considerably in medium light conditions as well. And not only to the Note 5 but to the ancient S2 as well. The display surface just doesn't look like any Samsung amoled phone ever which is pretty strange.

Jockson said:
Well, it was nice discussing with you but one may as well say "mine is pink, agree to disagree". It doesn't really mean anything as far as facts go.
I just took out my old Nexus 5 and surprise surprise, it absolutely kills the 6P when it comes to black depth in well lit conditions. The surface of the screen simply reflects way too much light.
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I agree with this completely. It's pretty hard not to notice that there is a definite green/brown tint to the display in contrast to the surrounding black bezel when in good ambient light. I came from a Nexus 4 and I was immediately disappointed by this aspect of the 6P display. Since then I have reconciled this disappointment with the fact that the 6P is overall a fantastic phone with substantially better value than other premium phones.
I'm not 100% sure that it's much better on Samsung devices because Samsung goes out of its way to mask this issue by making the top and bottom bezels of their phones different (non-black) colors. I'll even go so far as to suggest that the curved display on the Edge was a gimmicky attempt to obscure this issue. This, among others, is an AMOLED problem and why Apple hasn't used them. Still love the 6P, especially now on Nougat.

You are absolutely right regarding Samsung making their bezels non black. Even on their black phones bezels are often very, very dark grey. But still, their screens do have far less reflective surface. I wasn't really sure myself was it such a big difference until I compared it side by side with the Note 5, S6 edge and S2. The 6P just looks green and very washed out in comparison.
People often forget it's the perception of contrast that matters, not the absolute measured black level. LCD often gets criticized for poor contrast but visually it has deeper blacks than plasma and CRT do, except in low ambient light. Same story with the 6P. Great blacks when there isn't much light around, otherwise pretty poor and washed out.

Jockson said:
You are absolutely right regarding Samsung making their bezels non black. Even on their black phones bezels are often very, very dark grey. But still, their screens do have far less reflective surface. I wasn't really sure myself was it such a big difference until I compared it side by side with the Note 5, S6 edge and S2. The 6P just looks green and very washed out in comparison.
People often forget it's the perception of contrast that matters, not the absolute measured black level. LCD often gets criticized for poor contrast but visually it has deeper blacks than plasma and CRT do, except in low ambient light. Same story with the 6P. Great blacks when there isn't much light around, otherwise pretty poor and washed out.
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Well yes if the screen is off and you're in sunlight, you can see the difference from the bezel. That's normal for every phone. I rarely use my phone in direct sunlight. I'm talking about normal use and when the screen is on, I can not tell the difference if say the status bar is black and the edge/top/bottom of the bezel. So if you're just talking about screen off and in bright light/sunlight.... that's every phone basically. But I don't stare at my phone and worry about how dark the screen is when it's off.

Eric214 said:
ROFL are you hallucinating? My 6P's blacks are pitch black. The way I can tell... The edge of the screen, when black, is equal to the blacks on the top and bottom of the screen.
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That's true. I usually root to get the tinted navigation bar but this time i didn't root to get that because the blacks are usually same as the bezel of the phone which looks damn good.

Eric214 said:
Well yes if the screen is off and you're in sunlight, you can see the difference from the bezel. That's normal for every phone. I rarely use my phone in direct sunlight. I'm talking about normal use and when the screen is on, I can not tell the difference if say the status bar is black and the edge/top/bottom of the bezel. So if you're just talking about screen off and in bright light/sunlight.... that's every phone basically. But I don't stare at my phone and worry about how dark the screen is when it's off.
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How dark the screen is when it is turned off IS what the blacks actually look like. It can't look any darker than that, the screen doesn't emit the "black" color When there is bright content on the screen it just tricks your eyes/brain into thinking black areas are darker than they really are but in reality, contrast is still pretty poor.
I'm not talking about direct sunlight either. Even in medium ambient light blacks wash out considerably. Certainly MUCH more than they do on Samsung AMOLED phones and most LCDs so no, not every phone is the same. The 6P display just isn't very good in this regard.

Display isn't bright?

Have had the Note 20 Ultra from T-Mobile since Wednesday and then phones been be great except for two flaws. One is native gestures still not working 100% smooth with third party launchers - which is okay, I am using FNG anyway, but another is the screen brightness.
Despite being in direct sunlight, the panel doesn't get bright. Samsung claims 1500 nits of brightness, it definitely doesn't get there through either manually sliding the brightness or setting it to auto brightness. Definitely isn't as bright as my OnePlus 8 Pro.
I've annoyingly factory reset the phone to no avail. Anyone else having issues?

Yes, it's not great .... my Note 8 is brighter in normal use.
The panel does get brighter in strong daylight but the maximum manual brightness is poor.

AhsanU said:
Have had the Note 20 Ultra from T-Mobile since Wednesday and then phones been be great except for two flaws. One is native gestures still not working 100% smooth with third party launchers - which is okay, I am using FNG anyway, but another is the screen brightness.
Despite being in direct sunlight, the panel doesn't get bright. Samsung claims 1500 nits of brightness, it definitely doesn't get there through either manually sliding the brightness or setting it to auto brightness. Definitely isn't as bright as my OnePlus 8 Pro.
I've annoyingly factory reset the phone to no avail. Anyone else having issues?
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It is some kind of protection bec extra brightness for long time damage Amoled displays so they decided to limit it in normal usage

It's bright but the white point is um, weird.
Reminds me of the Surface Pro IPS panels, always, always, too green!
And the ability to adjust RGB levels has nary an effect!
I want the ability to calibrate the display properly FFS!
I know it's a decent display but gimping the calibration ability makes about as much sense as putting bias ply tires on a Ferrari!

cpufrost said:
It's bright but the white point is um, weird.
Reminds me of the Surface Pro IPS panels, always, always, too green!
And the ability to adjust RGB levels has nary an effect!
I want the ability to calibrate the display properly FFS!
I know it's a decent display but gimping the calibration ability makes about as much sense as putting bias ply tires on a Ferrari!
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If you read what samsung say about its Dynamic Amoled panels you will understand why the white looks weird , they have implemented a Hardware blue light filter which filters the harmful blue light emissions that is why all new samsung displays show white a llitle yellowish , It might not be the best looking but is is safe for your eyes and renders a more accurate colors.

hoss_n2 said:
If you read what samsung say about its Dynamic Amoled panels you will understand why the white looks weird , they have implemented a Hardware blue light filter which filters the harmful blue light emissions that is why all new samsung displays show white a llitle yellowish , It might not be the best looking but is is safe for your eyes and renders a more accurate colors.
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What's the point of having that?
It's clearly inferior to my professional displays.
Proper calibration and white point is *everything*.
It does NOT look yellowish, it has too much green.
That looks horrible.
After using it for a day I cannot believe how much better my Mac, 11 Pro Max and S20 Ultra looks.

Can you please tell me if the screen isn't bright if adaptive mode is turned off? (120hz)
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Brava27 said:
Can you please tell me if the screen isn't bright if adaptive mode is turned off? (120hz)
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Its significantly brighter with it off

mickeyleah said:
Its significantly brighter with it off
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Yeah, that is what someone pointed out. Thanks

Compared to the Note 10+ it's significantly brighter even in 120Hz, and I often need to lower it even with the adaptive brightness on.
It's somewhere around 1/5 or 1/6th of the brightness bar.

The LCD's blacklevels

How is the LCD's black levels? Also at the lowest brightness.

SaladEsc said:
How is the LCD's black levels? Also at the lowest brightness.
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Hi. I got the device today and I'm fairly impressed with the black levels from this LCD display. Even with low brightness.
The panel, at least mine seems pretty homogeneous and viewing angles are good.
Ah, and I'm coming from an amoled screen (Samsung A71).

well thats brilliant and reassuring thanks Patoilo , I ordered mine a day ago and my context is as a movement and cognition impaired (light and sound sensitivity,reduced memory) disabled dude I keep inducing burn in on OLED displays after 1 year to 18 months AND the PWM brightness moderating method plus pentile subpixel arrangement all mess with my vision and comfort when trying to read. I was super excited to see this combination of 120hz, LCD, big battery etc - the physical size is the only draw back but its mitigated by the reliability of both the screen robustness (not going to burn in or discolor over time) and the fact this thing should last a long time even if I had to go to hospital halfway through it charging
Ill report back about the display when the phone arrives especially stuff like how pronounced any ghosting is at 120hz, how nice the 1080p+ clarity is now that im not on Pentile etc

Im very impressed with the display, coming from a oneplus3 oled, this display is so much better.
Colors are much more vibrant, black level is good and the display is massive in size.
Watching movies in 21:9 with the dual speaker is insane.
One think to note, with "dark mode" enabled it changes multiple colors like white to dark grey, yellow to dark orange etc. so dont keep that always enabled.

Question Galaxy S22 Ultra green tint when looking from the top (bad viewing angles) Problem

My Galaxy S22 Ultra has a really bad color shift when looking from the top. The screen gets a green tint even when you are looking only a few degrees from the top. You can see it here:
https://imgur.com/gUDFh2Z
(It's more apparent in real life than in this picture)
Looking from all other angles than the top the display looks fine. But it looks like the screen is shimmering if you turn the phone a little. I tried to caputre the effect on this video:
https://imgur.com/e7PghPU
I have my display set to WQHD+, adaptive refresh rate and vivid mode. The brightness when I took the photo was around 60%, but the problem occurs at all brightness levels.
My previous phone, the Galaxy S20 5G, doesn't suffer from this problem. The screen does not change color at all when I look at it from a slightly different angle.
https://imgur.com/H2S3KwV
So I'm wondering if other S22 Ultra users have had the same problem or if my phone is just broken and I should replace it?
Thx for your help

I have to admit I don't "see" it. I think the brigthness and the rounded edges may cause a somewhat "dark" line depending on viewing angle but I don't think it's a defect.

joancolmenares said:
I have to admit I don't "see" it. I think the brigthness and the rounded edges may cause a somewhat "dark" line depending on viewing angle but I don't think it's a defect.
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I also do not think that it is a manufacturing defect because I checked all the devices around me and they were the same degree of green, do you think it is because of the new type of glass Victus 7 Plus

I had the Note20U and it was common to see that on the edge on white backgrounds, which is why you can't see it in "flat" phones like the s21U and S22 non ultra series. I think the same applies to foldable phones when viewed in a certain angle with white background.

Mine does the same if I look at the screen from a very off angle. Had not taken note of it though until you pointed it out. Guess I was just not expecting a good quality view from such a steep angle. Just out of curiosity, I looked at a similar angle at my computer screen, TV, Kindle, Tablet, and an old phone. They all have various degrees of imperfect display when viewed from a steep angle although the shift in color was most noticeable on the S22. But still, I guess I would not consider it a defect.

Will_T said:
Mine does the same if I look at the screen from a very off angle. Had not taken note of it though until you pointed it out. Guess I was just not expecting a good quality view from such a steep angle. Just out of curiosity, I looked at a similar angle at my computer screen, TV, Kindle, Tablet, and an old phone. They all have various degrees of imperfect display when viewed from a steep angle although the shift in color was most noticeable on the S22. But still, I guess I would not consider it a defect.
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Honestly, it's annoying

Now it is, I haven't noticed grrr

DoKaTSuYa said:
Now it is, I haven't noticed grrr
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just test and you see it all unit has this

omarkhamas said:
just test and you see it
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That's what I said, I haven't noticed but now I do, it's kinda annoying, but you forget with time.

DoKaTSuYa said:
That's what I said, I haven't noticed but now I do, it's kinda annoying, but you forget with time.
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I am a user of all versions of Sam and all devices have different Vision angles, but the Galaxy 22 Ultra is annoying and I expect because of the 1750 nit brightness

Mine has the same issue. I bring it to the Samsung center. Their demo device was the same. So i assumed it wasnt the manufacture defect. And most of the time, no one will look at the phone from the top down like that. So that was not a big issue at all. We should be thankful that the grey uniformity is much better than those from Sony or LG. The grey uniformity in low light on those phone were abysmal

It's not a manufecture defect, this is "normal" to curved screen on some viewing angles, same happens with the flip and the fold and the N20U, the flat S21/S21+/S21U/S22/S22+ do not have this issue as there is no curve

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It's not a manufecture defect, this is "normal" to curved screen on some viewing angles, same happens with the flip and the fold and the N20U, the flat S21/S21+/S21U/S22/S22+ do not have this issue as there is no curve
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I did not have this problem on the Galaxy S21 Ultra, and it was not that bad as is the case on the Galaxy S22 Ultra, the color of the screen changes to green, which is very clear for the simplest tilt of the screen

anyany1209 said:
Mine has the same issue. I bring it to the Samsung center. Their demo device was the same. So i assumed it wasnt the manufacture defect. And most of the time, no one will look at the phone from the top down like that. So that was not a big issue at all. We should be thankful that the grey uniformity is much better than those from Sony or LG. The grey uniformity in low light on those phone were abysmal
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This is a problem, which is defined by the bad viewing angle, and it may be worse than the uniformity of the gray color, which may appear only in gray and in weak lighting conditions, but this problem is annoying because it accompanies you with all light colors, and it is a problem that appeared in the first batches of the Galaxy S21 Ultra and was referred to by some reviewers and it was widespread in the days of the Galaxy

It's faulty. My 1st S21 Ultra behaved the same way. Meaning it had a very aggressive color shift with the slightest of viewing angles. I understand OP fully.

I have the same green shift as well on my S22 Ultra. It was not there on my S20 Ultra. It is more likely due to "improvements" in the screen, what you gain, you lose elsewhere. While the green tint is there, it doesn't affect me as I look at my phone directly. Others trying to peep over my shoulder can enjoy the green shift.

omarkhamas said:
Honestly, it's annoying
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Return it and get a phone from a different manufacturer or stop worrying about it.
Those are your only two options.

omarkhamas said:
My Galaxy S22 Ultra has a really bad color shift when looking from the top. The screen gets a green tint even when you are looking only a few degrees from the top. You can see it here:
https://imgur.com/gUDFh2Z
(It's more apparent in real life than in this picture)
Looking from all other angles than the top the display looks fine. But it looks like the screen is shimmering if you turn the phone a little. I tried to caputre the effect on this video:
https://imgur.com/e7PghPU
I have my display set to WQHD+, adaptive refresh rate and vivid mode. The brightness when I took the photo was around 60%, but the problem occurs at all brightness levels.
My previous phone, the Galaxy S20 5G, doesn't suffer from this problem. The screen does not change color at all when I look at it from a slightly different angle.
https://imgur.com/H2S3KwV
So I'm wondering if other S22 Ultra users have had the same problem or if my phone is just broken and I should replace it?
Thx for your help
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Same. The bottom part is also very slightly green tinted when veiwing test card 5% gray in a dark room.

Limeybastard said:
Same. The bottom part is also very slightly green tinted when veiwing test card 5% gray in a dark room. View attachment 5592969
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What is the type of your phone now

omarkhamas said:
What is the type of your phone now
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S22U.

Question Xiaomi 12 screen defect?

Brand new after less than a week of use I just noticed that on the left edge of the screen on low to medium brightness, on a background of any color there are bright spots like smudges on the top and bottom of the screen. Which is pretty annoying since it's visible in day to day use.
I'm curious as what is the cause of this, is it a factory defect or is it the pre-installed screen protector? I don't know if this is eligible for a replacement or if this is common on oled displays and run the risk of getting worse displays on the RMA.
Here are some photos using a phone, the camera seems to pick up the stains better if the screen is at low brightness and barely visible on medium brightness, but when seen with the naked eye it is very noticeable be it low, bright and any colours that it displays.

Don't bother, sent it back as warranty.

Mine has 2 dead pixel only after using it for 5 days

sandalks said:
Mine has 2 dead pixel only after using it for 5 days
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Damn do you have a picture? I seem to just notice a dead pixel on min but not sure if it is