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So I tried out Android x86 for my PC. It works beautifully. I cannot boot it on my Surface Pro though... It seems like the Surface Pro was designed to only boot EFI boot loaders. Not BIOS boot loaders... I was wondering if somebody could lend a hand at helping me get past this issue. I really think Android x86 would be great for the Surface Pro, there are so many things I miss from my Nexus 7 but I don't want an Android device, if I could just dual boot it every now and then, I would be happy. Can someone please get the Android 4.2 x86 ISOs to boot via EFI? That would be appreciated.
sionicion said:
So I tried out Android x86 for my PC. It works beautifully. I cannot boot it on my Surface Pro though... It seems like the Surface Pro was designed to only boot EFI boot loaders. Not BIOS boot loaders... I was wondering if somebody could lend a hand at helping me get past this issue. I really think Android x86 would be great for the Surface Pro, there are so many things I miss from my Nexus 7 but I don't want an Android device, if I could just dual boot it every now and then, I would be happy. Can someone please get the Android 4.2 x86 ISOs to boot via EFI? That would be appreciated.
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hmmm ... interesting you tried ...
and came out with a finding ...
following this thread on the possible development on this front ...
I've always dreamt of a Surface Pro on Android always ...
a reboot to Win7 for Work ... and back to Android !!!
going to be really very interesting ...
Hope the Android X86 team is peaking at this thread ...
Cheers!
Did you bother disabling secure boot?
Otherwise you can try "jar of beans" or "bluestacks" to run android applications for windows. There is a version of bluestacks which claims to be optimised for the surface pro, in reality its just bluestacks with proper windows 8 touch support.
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Did you bother disabling secure boot?
Otherwise you can try "jar of beans" or "bluestacks" to run android applications for windows. There is a version of bluestacks which claims to be optimised for the surface pro, in reality its just bluestacks with proper windows 8 touch support.
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Of course I did, the problem is the Surface Pro's UEFI chip does not actually support booting BIOS-based bootloaders. It only boots EFI-based bootloaders like the Windows Boot Manager or Grub EFI, etc. Unless one was to emulate BIOS to boot Android, it needs a EFI bootloader to even boot it on the Surface Pro. Ubuntu boots fine on the Surface Pro, but it is booting from Grub EFI. I copied the Grub EFI file to my other flash drive, and Grub indeed boots. It is the trouble of getting Android x86 to boot because it isn't using a EFI-based bootloader.
Also, that wasn't the point. I want to run pure Android just for the experience of having Android right on my Surface so I don't miss having a Nexus 7. I tried it on my desktop PC and it runs beautifully, if only I could get it on my Surface...
Surface Pro comes with Windows 8 Pro and a CPU capable of second-level address translation. It is therefore capable of running Client Hyper-V, which is a hypervisor-based virtualization (rather than hosted VM) technology that allows you to run another OS in parallel with Windows. I believe it includes support for BIOS-based OSes. Perhaps you should try that?
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Surface Pro comes with Windows 8 Pro and a CPU capable of second-level address translation. It is therefore capable of running Client Hyper-V, which is a hypervisor-based virtualization (rather than hosted VM) technology that allows you to run another OS in parallel with Windows. I believe it includes support for BIOS-based OSes. Perhaps you should try that?
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But what's the point in that? I don't want to virtualize. I want to run it natively... That's like saying hey use Bluestacks. I want Android running native on my Surface.
Anyway, guys I got it. Here it is.
First of all, running on a hypervisor is nothing like using Bluestacks. Android would then be running as "natively" as Windows at that point (Windows itself would also be running on the hypervisor), except that Windows would have first access to the display (Android would be able to use the graphics hardware nonetheless). When the virtual display was set to the Android machine, Android would be interacting with the input devices. As a plus side, you could switch back and forth rapidly...
That said, if you managed to get it working on bare metal, that's cool. Did you mean to include a link in your "Here it is "?
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First of all, running on a hypervisor is nothing like using Bluestacks. Android would then be running as "natively" as Windows at that point (Windows itself would also be running on the hypervisor), except that Windows would have first access to the display (Android would be able to use the graphics hardware nonetheless). When the virtual display was set to the Android machine, Android would be interacting with the input devices. As a plus side, you could switch back and forth rapidly...
That said, if you managed to get it working on bare metal, that's cool. Did you mean to include a link in your "Here it is "?
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The tutorial is on the YouTube page. But the problem with the Hyper-V hypervisor is it uses that remote console. I only found it decent for running Windows with the guest drivers installed. Unless I'm just not executing it very well, Hyper-V isn't a good solution. Since VirtualBox is used much more in the Linux world, I would use that before using Hyper-V.
I'll investigate the virtual solutions though and let you know.
more recent linux kernel versions do support hyper-v, partly provided by microsoft believe it or not
I would assume that hyper-v support would carry over into android. Just a case of setting it up.
Worth trying. However, Android runs a somewhat customized kernel build that probably doesn't include a lot of the optional stuff such as the Hyper-V helpers. Of course, you could install the required kernel module for them...
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I would assume that hyper-v support would carry over into android. Just a case of setting it up.
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I somewhat doubt the android platform itself has support for hyper-v.
Further, if you're looking to boot android directly would an android kernel and platform support booting via UEFI at all yet?
What partition would android be installed to? it likely wouldn't like being stuffed into an NTFS partition so you'd have to repartition the SSD and take some of the space from Windows, or boot android from an SDcard or USB memory stick.
EDIT: I see you did infact get it running, nice job, did you just use GRUB for a bootloader? did you have android run from the SSD or from elsewhere?
tbh if I had a surface pro I don't think i'd be installing android on it, slightly a waste.
by the way, a faster way of doing advanced reboot so you get the boot options is to hold shift and select the reboot option from the power menu.
So, after a short little flip around the web, I came across this
https://01.org/android-ia/downloads/2013/android-4.2.2r1-ia0
somehow.
I would love to have my Surface Pro dual-bootable between Android and Win8, but your tutorial has sort of overwhelmed me.
Are you using this code? Would it be better to?
Just wasn't sure where this development was going....
Purrsia said:
So, after a short little flip around the web, I came across this
https://01.org/android-ia/downloads/2013/android-4.2.2r1-ia0
somehow.
I would love to have my Surface Pro dual-bootable between Android and Win8, but your tutorial has sort of overwhelmed me.
Are you using this code? Would it be better to?
Just wasn't sure where this development was going....
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You can try my guide in windows 8 development forums
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feherneoh said:
Can't you add the lines which boot android-x86 into Ubuntu's GRUB? If it can be loaded, it could be used to load Android's kernel
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Microsoft locked it, you can only use the stock bootloader for now
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rEFIit
Have you tried a rEFIit or rEFIitd? As the name subtly suggests, its a bootloader for EFI machines. I suggest having a look. I'm going to try this myself on a couple of machines tomorrow once I get to work. Good luck! Let me know how it turns out or if I lead someone down the right track!
rEFInd - An EFI boot manager utility: http://goo.gl/KRwzk
rEFIt: http://refit.sourceforge.net/
Agreed, Android on a Surface would be kick ass. Windows for work, Android for real life!
Hi Folks.....
Feeling a little nervous here seems I must have took a wrong turn somewhere to end up in the Microsoft Surface forum LOL.
Is anyone still wondering about this? I noticed the other day that the linux kernel 3.10 which is currently used by the android-x86 project has android efi drivers/patches which maybe what you require. I'd also have a poke around the Android-IA sources which is the official intel android open source project from what I recall there's more efiboot goodies in there.
As an extra bonus the 3.10 kernel also includes a patch for Binder which allows a 32bit userspace to function correctly with a 64bit PAE kernel which means "BIG RAM" so if you have more than 4 gig and a 64 bit processor you can get access to the full ram allocation, not quite the pure 64bit Android that I want but it'll do for now while I figure out the finer points of x86_64 assembly language.
If Anyone wants/needs a kernel rattling off with these options enabled just let me know and i'll well rattle one off!
Thanks
trevd said:
Hi Folks.....
...I noticed the other day that the linux kernel 3.10 which is currently used by the android-x86 project has android efi drivers/patches which maybe what you require. I'd also have a poke around the Android-IA sources which is the official intel android open source project from what I recall there's more efiboot goodies in there.
As an extra bonus the 3.10 kernel also includes a patch for Binder which allows a 32bit userspace to function correctly with a 64bit PAE kernel which means "BIG RAM" so if you have more than 4 gig and a 64 bit processor you can get access to the full ram allocation, not quite the pure 64bit Android that I want but it'll do for now while I figure out the finer points of x86_64 assembly language.
If Anyone wants/needs a kernel rattling off with these options enabled just let me know and i'll well rattle one off!
Thanks
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If the offer still stands, I would be interested in this (..or even just a how-to).
I have a multiboot system with PCLinuxOS, Ubuntu, and Win8.1 running right now, and I can get the recent 4.4rc1 release from android x86 to boot if I switch to legacy bios and use legacy grub from PCLinuxOS or the android_x86 thumbdrive, but I cannot get it to boot from Ubuntu's EFI capable Grub2 (..d/t kernel panic). On my Acer m5-583p it works great in legacy mode (wifi, touchscreen, keyboard, etc), but I would like to be able to use an EFI bootloader so that I don't have to change to/from legacy/efi before selecting the OS at boot.
Thanks! :good:
I have searched lots on the subject of getting a full linux distro running on an android device most of which were really not really what I am looking for, almost everything I find on the subject seems to be some kind of hybrid solution where running linux side by side or on top of android but imo that just seems messy and may as well just be using andorid with it's apps than do that.
I ran into interesting information about modding chromebooks some of when were the similar side-by-side solution but others actually more what I was looking for, they enable legacy seabios while not enough to get windows installed seems to work fine to boot into linux and another guy had baked his own custom seabios replacing the chrome bios entirely.
my question, the atom tablets Im seeing pop up a few places are standard x86 right ? is it possible to either
1/run a modded sea bios similar to chromebook mods? then boot a stock ubuntu distro installation maybe from external storage?
2/or somehow have the existing/modded bootloader boot linux kernel/ubuntu install ?
can't help think if it were that simple maybe someone would have done it already but also thinking the hardware (drivers) are supported by android so they should be supported by linux right ? and if it is standard x86 can't be too much a stretch right ?
I don't own an atom tablet but was thinking it may be desirable (and add more use) if I could get a full linux distro installed and be a lot more affordable than full fledged windows based tablet.
anyway thanks
ps:that captcha is harcore
They are kinda standard. But they are not following PC architecture. They are so called Intel MID (Mobile Internet Device). On such devices you may find neither EFI nor ACPI. They have so called SFI which is a complete disaster. But Intel Merrifield is more or less supported by upstream kernel and Yocto (thanks to Intel Edison platform). You may try to gather information about those devices (official name of SoC is Intel Atom Z34xx).
So I'm trying to get Android running on my Yoga 2 Pro (not the Yoga Tablet Pro 2 or whatever its called)
IM ASSUMING MANY EFI devices are having the same problems as well. Fill free to contribute
I was able to get Android IA dual booting very smooth with windows. However I have a few issues (I'm not a developer, I'm a noob, but probably have enough skills to contribute fruitfully to the conversation)
It works ...ok...As many of you know it doesn't have gapps, and I cannot figure out how to install gapps. it cant be installed like a traditional android device where one can flash it...
As of now, Display support works great. Both touch and hi resolution support
no sound
no bluetooth
accelerometer not working
Many apps don't work on intel ia as well....netflix, watchespn...etc
After fooling around with intel IA, I tried Android x86 instead...heres what I got from it.
Only could boot into Android from the live CD (my case thumb drive) when using VESA mode
graphic is not supported at high resolution (only in VESA mode)
gapps worked well with Android X86
Sound works
bluetooth (not tested)
I could not get Android x86 to install AT ALL...I can't figure out how to boot into android x86 using VESA on grub
So my question is this...How do I begin integrating the two if it is possible (I've read somewhere the kernals are different)..do I need to use Kitchen or can this be done by copying and pasting lib, and apks?.
I need the graphic support of Android IA
Sound support of Android X86
Working Gapps
whatever arm translator that seems to work in Android X86 as apps seem to work a little better
EFI support of Android IA
Any takers?
If anyone needs a tutorial on how to get intel IA working on Yoga 2 pro, I'll post one if needed
Hi,
Would be best to ask about this here,
Chef Central
I'm thinking the windows section would be best, but I'll leave that to you.
Good luck!
I've just recently received my Onda v116w from China, it's another dual boot Windows and Android tablet from them, that has the following specs:
Key features:
1920 x 1080 IPS 11.6" display
Atom z3736F 2.16 Ghz (boost) quadcore CPU
2GB of Ram
It's got a 64GB eMMC drive, mines a Hynix, aprox 170 read and 70 write,
USB 2.0 port, full sized for once.
Keyboard dock (sold separately )
Windows 8.1 Pro
3G sim card support
I'm still waiting on word from sellers when the keyboard dock will be available, so far it seems Onda having released it or there are supply issues.
So far, my first impressions are:
It's a 21:9 screen I think, it more widescreen than I'm use to seeing, so I don't think it's 16:9 good ratio for movies, not the greatest for the web. It's wider than my Surface Pro 3 even, but not as high of course. Nice 2.0 port is a nice addition. The IPS panel on my unit is very bright and with good view angles and colors. It is brighter than most Chinese tabelts I have tested in this price range. It looks similar to a Surface 2 and even more like a Dell Venue 11 Pro.
Windows it ships with is Windows 8.1 Pro, Yes, it's windows pro and not bing. I'm surprised at this move. Thumbs up to Onda for not using the cheap Bing version. There seems to be no dual boot selector on boot or when holding volume up (Unlike the Onda v919) Like other
Onda Android rom's its quite light compared to others, only 3-4 bloat apps. DPI setting could be improved, text in Android looks blurry. And yes, Play Store is working, but you have to reboot after first signing in and then to accept T&C it will then work.
The build quality is plasticy a soft matte plastic on the rear and it's a finger print and smudge nightmare. Like other Onda units it comes with a screen protector already on it the screen. The internal components and build is not bad at all, but there are a few creaks here and there when handling it.
I have managed to hit 74 degrees on the unit according to HWinfo, this a bit warmer than some other Z3637F tablets. Could be down to some Windows maintenance that was running, I will investigate this further.
You can charge it via micro usb (Slower) OR via the DC plug.
Video:
Here are a quick few videos of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDE3-Sb3TiI&index=2&list=PLVJ5yuUCk8wC26fuHNdxfx1PUpPGxv_Ur (Unboxing and hands on with a benchmarks) And for those that like to see the insides of these tablets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaShFzTzN4Q&index=1&list=PLVJ5yuUCk8wC26fuHNdxfx1PUpPGxv_Ur
Internal photos:
reserved for more info, downloads etc if needed.
I was going to buy a teclast X98 3G, but after seeing that Onda I decided to wait,
i will wait even more to see your comments about battery life, that temperature issue and Gaming!
Thanks for your help man
Battery life is very important for me too. Ill wait your opinion about battery and general use and then ill order.
Hello. I want to ask what do you think about onda v116w and onda v919 3g 64gb.Which is best?
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Hello. I want to ask what do you think about onda v116w and onda v919 3g 64gb.Which is best?
Hi
Did you try WiDi on this tablet? I try with my LG LM6700 TV but unable to connect.
Because of the Windows 8.1 with Bing and Language problem,I installed windows 8.1pro and removed (deleted)the partitions (including the one with the android)
as it wasn't booting to android after install windows 8.1pro from scratch.
My question:Is there a chance that I can install android with dual boot WITHOUT touching the windows 8.1pro installation?
I don't want to use Bluestacks or android emulator just to have the DualOs but with my windows 8.1pro.
Is there a source for android for x86 Intel Bay trail that could be accessible from the windows 8.1 pro boot configuration,for example?
xneo1 said:
Because of the Windows 8.1 with Bing and Language problem,I installed windows 8.1pro and removed (deleted)the partitions (including the one with the android)
as it wasn't booting to android after install windows 8.1pro from scratch.
My question:Is there a chance that I can install android with dual boot WITHOUT touching the windows 8.1pro installation?
I don't want to use Bluestacks or android emulator just to have the DualOs but with my windows 8.1pro.
Is there a source for android for x86 Intel Bay trail that could be accessible from the windows 8.1 pro boot configuration,for example?
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Hi how do you install win 8 pro ???? Can you point me in the right direction??????? Thanks....
Onda V116w tablet support English?
onda v166w chinese windows
Hi !
How could You install w 8.1 ?
I tried to change the language, but i could not do that, it fails every time.
I would like to install a new windows, but i can not boot from external usb device.
Can You help me, how install another windows ?
sincerelly
Janos Marczis, Sweden
Hi you have to make an USB key with the tool called rufus. And select from the option to create a gpt partition forma uefi boot. You can boot almost anything from an ISO image. Don't forget to download the driver from onda forum or you will have a big problem without driver. Installing windows you will lose android partition.
Tell me where in the image the radiator? It would be desirable to increase the cooling.
Hi
Is there a way to update/download Windows language pack? I know so far there is no way, but maybe someone has found a way?
I found this link:
http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.php...ased-20150330/
But couldn't make it to update
Win Pro?
Who was the vendor?
Thanks
Good day all. Hope this messages finds you safe and well in these challenging times.
I'm hoping to find some help a goal I have to have a single tablet PC that serves as both my daily driver PC running my OS of choice (Linux) and having the ability to dual-boot into Android for things like media consumption, reading books, etc.
I was fortunate to be gifted a Lenovo X1 Tablet 3rd Gen PC from a family member, and I'm truly enjoying it from the perspective of the form factor (it's similar to probably a Microsoft Surface tablet). Spec's can be found here:
[https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/tablet...es/ThinkPad-X1-Tablet-3rd-Gen/p/22TP2CP0113#)
But it's essentially an 8th Gen Core i7 with vPro, Intel 620UHD Graphics driving a 3:2 aspect ratio 3000x2000 native resolution touch screen with WACOM digitizer, 16GB RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, etc.
I have tried just about every ISO that BlissOS offers (as well as other such as Android X86) and simply cannot get anywhere in the installation. Occasionally the boot process will get as far as displaying some of the boot sequence, and then he screen will go black and either have a flashing or solid cursor in the upper left corner. On the newer ISO's, I could get to the point where I can hear some audio. And in some cases, the screen will sort of flash lighter and then darker (like the backlight is getting brighter and then dimmer). But at no point did I ever see an Android desktop.
I tried to boot the ISO as a Qemu VM, and this does seem to work (as I can see the full boot sequence and get to a point where I'm looking at an Android desktop). Unfortunately, I'm not sure how to configure the VM for proper touch support. Ideally, I'd rather have Android running natively on the device.
I'm finding references to others who have tried this on the Lenovo X1 Tablets and had either moderate or no success. A no point could I find a guide or reference on what combination would allow BlissOS (or any Android X86 based solution) to boot and install on this hardware.
To anyone who could help me get BlissOS running and installed on this tablet, I'd be truly in your debt.
Thanks in advance.
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Update:
After some more research and experimentation, I was successful in getting Bliss OS installed and running on the bare metal of my Lenovo X1 tablet 3rd gen. However, the install isn't ideal as I leveraged an install script from JAXPARROW on Github (https://github.com/jaxparrow07/Android-x86-Installer-Linux) to complete the install. While this allows me to install and boot BlossOS (and other Android X86 releases) on the tablet, it's installing into a folder of the existing Linux ext4 filesystem and using the existing grub to boot. Ideally, I'd want the Android install in its own partition and ultimately use something like Refind as the boot manager.
I've attached an image of the grub entry that the JAXPARROW scripted install creates. Unfortunately, I cannot figure out what his script is doing that allows me to boot and install Android X86 on this hardware that a native boot and install won't work (black screen with a non-blinking cursor).
If anyone has any thoughts or feedback, I'd be grateful. I'm excited by the prospect that at least now I know I can run Android X86 on this hardware. And BlissOS is an amazing desktop implementation of Android.
Hardware is 2018 edition of the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Tablet 3rd Generation:
ThinkPad X1 Tablet Gen 3 | 2-in-1 Laptop Tablet
The ThinkPad X1 Tablet Gen 3 delivers the best 2-in-1 tablet performance with a large 13" screen, detachable keyboard, and premium security features for work.
www.lenovo.com
Graphics are Intel 620 HD
3:2 aspect ratio
3000x2000
Thanks in advance.
[Image of grub entry ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/ysssaikm54cyhMpF8)
Hi @tech101, I am interested in buying a used thinkpad x1 tablet 3rd gen and planned to dual android or chrome os with windows.
Have you been able to successfully make android work?
this link https://github.com/jaxparrow07/Android-x86-Installer-Linux does not exist anymore.
Hello, I'm the developer of the mentioned project. I'm glad to see you're able to boot after installing via the installer. The installer has been updated recently with bug fixes and other distro support ( comes as a single executable instead of an installer ).
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While this allows me to install and boot BlossOS (and other Android X86 releases) on the tablet, it's installing into a folder of the existing Linux ext4 filesystem and using the existing grub to boot. Ideally, I'd want the Android install in its own partition and ultimately use something like Refind as the boot manager.
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You can do that by mounting them beforehand via cli or by a FileManager and then choosing in the Installation Partition in the installer.
Mounting a partition e.g : In Dolphin, you can do that by right clicking a partition
Basic help such as finding your filesystem name ( sda5 etc.,. ) is available in the installer's help menu
Help menu ( Ctrl + H or Help > Help in the menu)
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I've attached an image of the grub entry that the JAXPARROW scripted install creates. Unfortunately, I cannot figure out what his script is doing that allows me to boot and install Android X86 on this hardware that a native boot and install won't work (black screen with a non-blinking cursor).
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If you take a look at the line which has linux in it. It loads the kernel. With some parameters, it's possible to boot the android.
Bash:
linux /{name}/kernel quiet root=/dev/ram0 androidboot.selinux=permissive SRC=/{osname}/ noibrs noibpb nopti nospectre_v2 nospectre_v1 l1tf=off nospec_store_bypass_disable no_stf_barrier mds=off intel_pstate=disable mitigations=off
As explained by @Night(SG) in this commit. We removed the unnecessary ( in most cases ) kernel parameters ( ig which used to help you boot in this case ).
You can test the latest release and let us know if you're able to boot. If not, I'll add an option to enable the extra parameters while installing.
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this link https://github.com/jaxparrow07/Android-x86-Installer-Linux does not exist anymore.
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OP made a typo, here's the correct link :
https://github.com/jaxparrow07/Androidx86-Installer-Linux
( unnecessary "-" after Android caused this )
If you guys have any questions related to androidx86, ask us on our forum : AOPC ( formerly SupremeGamers )