USB DAC and USB Mic - General Questions and Answers

So, I have an interesting issue. I think it is a deep seated Android one, so I'm not liking my chances but......
Setup:
Samsung Galaxy Tab S7+ ---> Dell WD15 USB dock (I have also tried a plain old USB-C Hub)
Android 11, with latest updates possible.
When I connect my USB DAC (a Grace SDAC) which connects to my headphone amp - it works perfectly. Android shows the DAC in 'media' as a "Headset"
When I connect my ModMic Wireless microphone's USB dongle, the DAC stops working and switches to the tablets internal speakers
When I connect a 3.5mm mic to the doc's headset 3.5mm jack the DAC stops working and switches to the tablets internal speakers
Some apps dont seem to work with the modmic wireless. Some dont work unless I plug in the USB dongle while the app is running - That's app problems, I get that
All Apps seem to support using the mic via the 3.5mm jack.
The opposite is also true, if I have a mic connected (USBor 3.5mm) then connect the DAC, the DAC works, but the mic stops and switches to the tablet internal mics.
What I seem to have found is that it is impossible, in android, to use both a USB DAC and any kind of microphone.
Has anyone had this kind of thing working before? Is there something I can do/try? are there logs or something I can look at which might help here?
I'd love to get this working, but I dont think thats possible... I would like to know why or see some real detail behind why it won't work..
Thanks!!

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It's important to understand that USB speakers (and usb headphones/microphones) are not simply speakers/headphones/mics. They are really little USB sound cards that happen to have a pair of speakers or mic hoooked up to a small power amp built in to them. They do not magically transfer the output of your built-in sound card to the speakers over USB. (like plugging in an 1/8" stereo plug would). So, unless the transformer has support for the standard USB audio protocols used by your USB speakers (and I doubt it does) you won't hear anything out of those speakers. Additionally, since the transformer doesn't know what to do with the USB sound card you have plugged it it doesn't recognize it as an alternative sound output (like A2DP bluetooth audio) and will continue to pump sound out of the built in speakers.
Your best bet is going to be to use standard speakers with an 1/8" jack or a set of expensive bluetooth speakers. Now, will the 3.1 upgrade bring support for usb speakers and headphones? Maybe... I haven't seen anything to indicate one way or the other aside from the very nebulous statement that 3.1 will provide USB host "support".
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No 3.5mm Stereo Jack Output w/ Aux Cable w/o Hi-Fi Mode Enabled in ICS

I've been using a Motorola for the past 2 years and upgraded to a faster dual core (Huawei Ascend P1 LTE U9202L), and faster quad core (Blu Quattro HD 4.5 D450) - both run on ICS 4.0.4, stock ROM (but rooted), but both have the same problem with the 3.5mm stereo jack. I did not have this issue with my previous phones and have no idea why the behavior is so dysfunctional. On both devices, plugging in the 3.5mm aux jack into my stereo does not work. It does not detect as a headset and just outputs through the phone speaker. However, on both devices, plugging in ANY headset, and the phones detect and output audio appropriately.
However, plugging in a 3.5mm aux cable into a car stereo does not work at all. It won't even show the headset icon in the status bar. I've used several cables, in several different cars, but all no love, while iphones and other phones in the house work just fine. This is with both 3 conductor and 4 conductor stereo cables. With the Blu Quattro however, I found a setting in Sound called "Hi-Fi Mode" which enables the phone to specifically output audio through the 3.5mm jack to an external stereo system. If I plug in the aux cable to my car, nothing goes. Enable Hi-Fi Mode, and then I magically get audio output.
What in the hell is Hi-Fi mode and is that something standard to ICS? Is there a software fix where I can just plug in the stereo aux cable like every other normal phone out there, and have it automatically output properly instead of enabling this funky Hi-Fi mode? It's really annoying because I need to use this device for work as well where we sometimes use the Square Reader. That thing won't even detect on either phone!
At the moment, I'm considering buying one of those USB to 3.5mm jack dongles that I've seen phones come with, that don't have a 3.5mm jack. In the meantime, if anyone has any suggestions, I'd really appreciate it.
Many Thanks in Advance,
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USB Type C to 3.5mm Headphone Jack Adapter

My issue
Hi everyone, I have a Nexus 6P and want to route my audio through a USB type C converter to 3.5mm headphone Jack. I have purchased one online, but it doesn't seem to be working. I have seen that the Moto Z has this adapter and I assumed one I found online would be compatible with my 6P. The reason I want to do this is because I prefer for the AUX jack to come out the bottom of my phone.
What I have tired
Changed 'Select USB Configuration' to all the different options and tried playing music.
Tried 'audio routing' apps from the app store
What I would like to know
Is this because I need to change a setting in my phone to route music out of the USB C?
Do I need to get some kind of DAC to allow support for this?
Has anyone else tried this with their phone?
Thanks
broj0nes
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If you don't mind my asking, why bother?
eregev said:
If you don't mind my asking, why bother?
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One reason is that to me it makes more sense to put your phone upside down into you pocket. I've always done this at least. So when listening to music I have to put it the other way round. I have also heard the USB C port offers better sound quality.
brotherj0nes said:
One reason is that to me it makes more sense to put your phone upside down into you pocket. I've always done this at least. So when listening to music I have to put it the other way round. I have also heard the USB C port offers better sound quality.
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Re:sound quality, you'd possibly see a quality increase if you use an external Digital to Analogue Converter or fully usb-c headphones. BUT, if you're using a little dongle (if it's possible), then the phone is still managing the analogue conversion and, thus, a very similar quality of audio output. Now I don't know of the 6p's ability to pipe it straight out iPhone 7 style through a dongle, but short of buying a DAC and going whole-hog on an audio upgrade, I'd just flip your phone the other way in your pocket and go the standard route.
Just my $.02
I have been looking for a solution to this too and I seem to have found one. I poked around on Amazon and I think I finally found adapters that work, here's the link https://goo.gl/QT2ith This the only one with positive reviews so when it comes in on the 30th I'll let all of you know.
sgandy2989 said:
I have been looking for a solution to this too and I seem to have found one. I poked around on Amazon and I think I finally found adapters that work, here's the link https://goo.gl/QT2ith This the only one with positive reviews so when it comes in on the 30th I'll let all of you know.
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Looks quite similar to the one that I got. Hopefully it works for you! Let me know how it goes
I read recently that the current implementation of audio over USB-C isn't very efficient or battery friendly. There's a new spec being ratified to provide audio like the iphone can. Hopefully that's a firmware change and not a hardware one.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/17/12519936/intel-usb-type-c-headphone-jack-replacement-idf-2016
I don't think it's possible on the 6P, not without using a USB DAC anyway.
As far as I'm aware, the adapter you have is for a USB 3/3.1 interface. While the 6P has USB-C it is USB 2.
I'm able to get audio out of my USB C port, but it's with a USB headset. Haven't tried it with a 3.5mm headphone adapter, but havd no reason to try it either.
This is weird. Because i have a pair of Sennheiser Urbanites (Wireless edition), and i can use bluetooth, aux, and usb (like for a computer) audio. I once tried to turn off the headsets (bluetooth off, aux and usb still works if connected), and turned off bluetooth on my phone. Then i used my USB type C to USB type A Female adapter (from the google store), and connected the usb-cable from the headsets into the type c adapter. it did output audio through the usb-cable.
Mgrev said:
This is weird. Because i have a pair of Sennheiser Urbanites (Wireless edition), and i can use bluetooth, aux, and usb (like for a computer) audio. I once tried to turn off the headsets (bluetooth off, aux and usb still works if connected), and turned off bluetooth on my phone. Then i used my USB type C to USB type A Female adapter (from the google store), and connected the usb-cable from the headsets into the type c adapter. it did output audio through the usb-cable.
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Bluetooth headphones usually have their own DAC, so the audio for all but the Aux is still being sent through the DAC first, which is supported by older USB standards.
The new USB 3.1 Audio standard can pass through analogue audio from the internal DAC, which is what I believe phones such as the Moto Z utilise. Otherwise the adapter would require it's own DAC, which would make it far larger and more expensive.
Not sure if you will find a good solution at the moment since they just created a standard for audio over usb c http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160927006252/en/USB-IF-Announces-USB-Audio-Device-Class-3.0
Did the amazon converter end up working for you?
My experience so far.
Hi, I ordered some usb c to 3.5mm & out of the box so far they aren't working. I tried Neutron and tried to force the audio to usb but unsuccessfully with phone not recognizing the USB connection.
On the other hand the type C to usb-a adapter worked beautifully using mixplorer. If I get working, will update. Thanks.

is there definitely a dac in the usb c dongle?

can anyone confirm! Is it a dac and amp
thinking of using it for an s8
or is it just a bog standard afapter
The dac is inside the phone itself.
There is definitely an amp in adapter and S8 sounds "better" (subjective opinion).
I can't get it to work
I've attached the dongle and it's not finding anything or playing via usb c
developer mode I've selected audio usb
Hello
The signal coming out from the usb connector is numeric and the sound coming from the earpiece is analogic. So by definition a DAC is mandatory in the dongle, it wouldn't work otherwise.
I even got a firmware upgrade for the dongle yesterday. So yes, definitely has a DAC inside.

Question Audio output selection (Speaker<->DAC) while USB DAC is plugged ?

Hello guys,
few days ago I was forced to buy a S22 Ultra because my good old Note 9 stopped working and thanks to my S-Pen daily usage i didnt have much other options...
I moved over most of drawbacks of the S22 Ultra but another thing is the lack of 3,5 mm audio jack...
I found out on Aliexpress a very nice adapter that has a "T" shape that allows you to charge phone and simultaneously use the audio jack on the other side. Very convenient!
Hoewer it has a drawback. I cant leave the adapter in phone while i dont have the earphones plugged in. The issue is that phone doesnt detect that earphones are not connected and still plays music in it and sends audio there instead of the speaker. The adapter uses standart REALTEK ALC5686 chip that has Jack detection that should switch the chip to low power mode when jack is not present.... It is possible that this is not connected in my adapter... I am planning to tear the adapter down and study the circuit as the last option....
So my question is, is there any way how to force phone to manually switch audio output from external DAC to Speaker and vice versa? Yes I know we can switch automatic routing to USB DAC off but in that case you cant manually somehow tell the phone when to use it and when not? Do all external DACs work this way? There are app fot this that worked on older Android but not at the version 13.
Thanks!
HeliumX10 said:
Hello guys,
few days ago I was forced to buy a S22 Ultra because my good old Note 9 stopped working and thanks to my S-Pen daily usage i didnt have much other options...
I moved over most of drawbacks of the S22 Ultra but another thing is the lack of 3,5 mm audio jack...
I found out on Aliexpress a very nice adapter that has a "T" shape that allows you to charge phone and simultaneously use the audio jack on the other side. Very convenient!
Hoewer it has a drawback. I cant leave the adapter in phone while i dont have the earphones plugged in. The issue is that phone doesnt detect that earphones are not connected and still plays music in it and sends audio there instead of the speaker. The adapter uses standart REALTEK ALC5686 chip that has Jack detection that should switch the chip to low power mode when jack is not present.... It is possible that this is not connected in my adapter... I am planning to tear the adapter down and study the circuit as the last option....
So my question is, is there any way how to force phone to manually switch audio output from external DAC to Speaker and vice versa? Yes I know we can switch automatic routing to USB DAC off but in that case you cant manually somehow tell the phone when to use it and when not? Do all external DACs work this way? There are app fot this that worked on older Android but not at the version 13.
Thanks!
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The problem I see is that the output or charging connection is not valid as a sound input, it is only valid for charging, that's why it does not detect the headphones.
Install smart things app. Then it will show in the task bar "media output".

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