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I have the P40 pro so no I’m not trolling here, honest!
One of the main reasons I went with the P40 was the camera, and after a week or so with it I am impressed, just not blown away in the same way I was a year ago with the P30 pro. It is good just not as good as I was expecting and in most every day scenarios the pixel or current iPhone are better (IMO)
Certainly I am not seeing what a lot of reviewers have that’s for sure.
How is everybody else finding theirs?
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I find Samsungs offering, s20 ultra, better in camera, at least in my eyes.
I don't like skin tones from p40. Look a bit unnatural
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Honestly speaking I also feel the camera a bit overrated.... Yes, its very good - but the competitors have stepped up and deliver a comparable experience and image quality... Only the 5x optical zoom remains, at least comparing it some of the competitors....
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I find Samsungs offering, s20 ultra, better in camera, at least in my eyes.
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I would not go that far :laugh:
Seriously though I have recently sold my S20 Ultra, for every day photos of people and pets i.e. anything that might not be perfectly still I just could not trust it. It is 100% software IMO, I just do not think that Samsung get it. Otherwise I really liked the Ultra, but a camera I can trust is an important feature, does not have to be the best.
Back to the P40 pro, it has got me thinking as to how many 'sponsored' reviews are out there? Or more likely a lot of reviewers are more worried with buildings or how sharp that street sign looks at 50x zoom i.e. not real world stuff.
Competitors, namely the S20 have had a few software upgrades that have optimised the camera. Oneplus users have also reported much better camera performace follwing an update.
I would wait until Huwaei releases a couple more updates (in China they have released at least 2 more already); no doubt it should come optimised out of the box but this is the case with all manufacturers.
I believe the camera produces an excellent photo in 80% of the photos I take when I am not really focused in getting the best shot possible (point and shoot style) - the not so good ones has mostly to do with bad framing, inadequate composition, not holding still, subject moving too fast, etc.
It is also worth learning about all the options in the camera inteface and play around with them, I have improved the quality of my shots by making the most of the things I can change in the UI; you will not get a better PRO mode on any other camera in my opinion. I have also learnt, for example, that disabling the AI in some scenarios produces better and more natural shots. Switching off beautification mode helps with the skin tone, etc... If you cannot be bothered with that, with actually toggling options and seeing what works best in different scenarios and what works best for you, then maybe it is not the best phone for you.
The only mode where I think I was disapointed to an extent is the night mode but I do not think that it is a hardware problem. I think it is a colour calibration issue which can be rectified at software level.
At the end of the day we see things differently and have different tastes in photography. I like the Huwaei style and that is why I have chosen it (the pre-order gifts have also gave it a push and of course the challenge of modding it to allow for GMS to work - that is why we are all here right?).
I am sure the camera will be improved with a few more tweaks to the software, especially the night mode.
So far I am really happy with the phone and especially with the camera; I would not say that it is overrated but perhaps your expectations were much higher than mine!
Cheers,
L.
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... you will not get a better PRO mode on any other camera in my opinion.
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Unfortunately, that just means that other PRO modes are even worse than our P40 Pro's PRO mode.
I regard the PRO mode as an unbearable nuisance. It had been a fully-fledged catastrophy with the P20 Pro - and Huawei didn't learn a single lesson since then.
We've got such a capable camera system - totally crippled by that "Pro" mode making every non-newbee boil with rage. :/
Just a few short examples:
Huawei provided the option of locking some settings, so they won't change after restarting the camera. I can lock Exposure compensation (EV), Autofocus mode and White balance - but I cannot lock ISO, Metering mode and Manual focus!
ISO: High ISO values cause grainy pictures, thus I wish to keep my ISO as low as possible. One of the most important settings. And Huawei doesn't allow locking that.
Metering: Spot metering ist the way to go if you don't do just point-and-shoot. Full range metering (default) calculates a kind of brightness average - resulting in lighter parts of the picture burning out. This is not recoverable (not even with RAW files), the details are gone forever. That's why we better use a bright spot for precise metering, even if the whole picture gets a bit darker. Darker parts can be saved, burned out parts are gone forever. And Huawei doesn't allow locking the metering mode to spot!
Manual focus: Manual focus is just unusable (thus not being able to lock it doesn't mean the end of this world).
But: To be able to manually focus, I need to press on AF, choose Manual focus. Then a focus bar appears almost in the middle of the screen, covering the picture, forcing me to use the tip of my finger on the picture, thus I don't see great parts of the motif anymore. Then I am unable to focus correctly because there is NO MEANS for helping me focus, like focus peaking, just NOTHING. I can just watch the tiny picture getting more and less blurry and guess where I could set the focus to achieve a half-way sharp picture. In the end, the finished photo shows I guessed wrong. I don't see any details while focusing, I cannot switch to an enlarged display for being able to set the focus correctly. Just guess, just hope somewhere in the middle between two blurry settings could be somewhere near sharp.
Plus: The focus bar disappears after 4 seconds. So it you need some more time, the bar is gone, you need to tap AF again. And if you wish to tap the bar while it just disappeared, your whole focus setting is also gone because your finger hit some part of the picture as the focus bar isn't there anymore - and focuses on the part you just accidentally tapped. It's unbelievably stupid.
That's why manual focus is just a pain in the you-know-where with almost no practical use at all.
And we really, really need manual focusing with that shallow depth of field due to an aperture of 1.9, especially for close range shots.
Had been that way with the P20 Pro, didn't improve at all over time.
And that's just a few reasons why that "Pro" mode isn't much more than a useless toy.
Sorry to say, sincerely. I really, really hope it gets better. :/
I am still happy about the "Pro" mode being there - because it provides some BASIC means (like choosing ISO and metering mode); but that's no PRO features, that's basic features which should be present with all "non-pro" modes anyway.
It has been a while since I had the P30 Pro but I remember that being on a par with the Pixel 4 and iPhone 11 pro which right now the P40 is not (other than at full zoom) I am talking the main camera here mostly.
Don't get me wrong in most conditions it is infinitely better than the Exynos S20 Ultra I had I am just talking about vs. the very best, I got the P40 pro for the camera so it really has to excel to make the other workarounds worth it.
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It has been a while since I had the P30 Pro but I remember that being on a par with the Pixel 4 and iPhone 11 pro which right now the P40 is not (other than at full zoom) I am talking the main camera here mostly.
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How about telling a bit more? Do you like the color of the glass covering the camera lenses better with the iPhone? Do you dislike the rectangular shape of the telephoto lens? Or what?
So please go into detail, show comparison photos, FULL resolution, accompanied with EXIF data, point at the differences.
the pricing is totally wrong the camera is average to pretty good depending on how you use it, but P30 pro is found at 400 euro atm while they try to sell this turd GMS-less for 1000 euro + watches etc. instead should've been priced competitively at the price of Poco Phone outside of China
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the pricing is totally wrong the camera is average to pretty good depending on how you use it, but P30 pro is found at 400 euro atm while they try to sell this turd GMS-less for 1000 euro + watches etc. instead should've been price competitively at the price of Poco Phone outside China
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It would be very kind of you if you had anything to say about the topic. I am pretty sure there's some dedicated forums for anything else.
Also, it would be very kind of you if you could put a little effort into discovering the use of punctuation marks and capital letters. Those tricky little things indeed are a great help for making your post understandable, saving other users a bunch of time otherwise needed for reading your posts again and again - in despair for finding logical blocks allowing to extract some meaning, if any.
Simply put: If you've got nothing to say, just don't. And if you've got something to say, please adhere to some basic rules of communication and mutual understanding, preferably refraining from the use of swear words.
A GREAT start would be showing us some comparison pictures of the same subject taken at the same time from the same position, taken with P40 Pro, P30 Pro and Pocophone, accompanied with EXIF data.
Thank you.
the most useless post for 2020 good one junior
I have just received an update (Three network - UK). Has anyone played with the camera after the update and noticed any improvements?
Hey whats up , just looking for advice /opinions from p40 pro owners
Ok got me the oneplus 8 pro on (H3G) UK and well that was a big let down in the camera department and battery life not to mention display issues , anyway within my 14 days I can exchange to pretty much any phone they have so camera is pretty important so I toy'd with idea of p40 pro but without Google was a bit off putting so I decided on the S20 Ultra and well let's say I'm not blown away with the camera on that,
has just been updated and is kinda beta especially auto focus was main issue at the time , so my question is should I while I'm still in my 14 days retun S20 ultra for the P40 pro as s20 ultra 100x zoom is well waste of time I know anything pretty much past 30x is a blurr but over all watching YouTube video although samsung looks more natural colour's the detail of the p40 pro can be slightly better its very subjective in most comparisons I can get over the fact there's no Google but should I switch or stick with the ultra and hope samsung can improve further anybody actually switched from s20 ultra to p40 pro and regret it or are you much happier , I know on paper s20 ultra spec wise display ok 120hz at 1080p isn't ideal but display is beautiful and 12gb ram and stereo speakers and tech better front facing cam ,again subjective . I just don't know want to do , thanks for reading hope you can help decide , Lol stay safe [emoji4]
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Personally, I'd prefer the P40P and that's not just because it's cheaper and better value depending on how your needs. It's also important to summarize and weigh up the pros and cons for both devices. If you're in the UK with a Exynos CPU, then I'd personally avoid the S20 Ultra altogether due to the hot attention it's been getting for its inferior battery life and CPU performance.
Screen - Samsung (120hz, brighter and higher quality display, no huge pill-shaped punch hole notch)
Battery Life and Charging - Tie IMO (P40P's 5G chipset is more efficient since it has a built-in 5G modem and Huawei tend to be more memory aggressive with closing down background apps). Exynos S20 Ultra isn't as good as the Snapdragon model as it's less power efficient so its chipsets just aren't created equally. Some proof shown here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63T5lrDivn8
Camera - P40P (doesn't have the auto focus issues, has superior night mode, slightly better zoom, front cameras are one of the best and even though the wide angle has a smaller field of view, it's a far bigger sensor which lets lets you capture better detailed shots)
Software - Samsung (as Huawei are banned from Google Play Services but you can still sideload most of the apps you need)
Overall aesthetics and design - P40P (mainly down to personal preference but the S20 Ultra is too big and chunky in my opinion and the sleek Frost Silver back, along with the smaller and tidier rear camera bump makes it a winner for me in the attractiveness department)
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Personally, I'd prefer the P40P and that's not just because it's cheaper and better value depending on how your needs. It's also important to summarize and weigh up the pros and cons for both devices. If you're in the UK with a Exynos CPU, then I'd personally avoid the S20 Ultra altogether due to the hot attention it's been getting for its inferior battery life and CPU performance.
Screen - Samsung (120hz, brighter and higher quality display, no huge pill-shaped punch hole notch)
Battery Life and Charging - Tie IMO (P40P's 5G chipset is more efficient since it has a built-in 5G modem and Huawei tend to be more memory aggressive with closing down background apps). Exynos S20 Ultra isn't as good as the Snapdragon model as it's less power efficient so its chipsets just aren't created equally. Some proof shown here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63T5lrDivn8
Camera - P40P (doesn't have the auto focus issues, has superior night mode, slightly better zoom, front cameras are one of the best and even though the wide angle has a smaller field of view, it's a far bigger sensor which lets lets you capture better detailed shots)
Software - Samsung (as Huawei are banned from Google Play Services but you can still sideload most of the apps you need)
Overall aesthetics and design - P40P (mainly down to personal preference but the S20 Ultra is too big and chunky in my opinion and the sleek Frost Silver back, along with the smaller and tidier rear camera bump makes it a winner for me in the attractiveness department)
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Yes it is a dilemma but thats pretty much my conclusion as well on them both if only three had the oppo x2 find pro [emoji848]
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Yes it is a dilemma but thats pretty much my conclusion as well on them both if only three had the oppo x2 find pro [emoji848]
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The OPPO Find X2 Pro is very similar to the OnePlus 8 Pro though. They have near identical camera specifications (same main sensor), battery size and screen.
I see it as an overpriced version of a OP8P and with inferior software updates since OnePlus are better at releasing new firmware regularly than both Oppo and Samsung. I wouldn't consider it.
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The OPPO Find X2 Pro is very similar to the OnePlus 8 Pro though. They have near identical camera specifications (same main sensor), battery size and screen.
I see it as an overpriced version of a OP8P and with inferior software updates since OnePlus are better at releasing new firmware regularly than both Oppo and Samsung. I wouldn't consider it.
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Oh I best un cancel my canceld p40 pro exchange then lol [emoji38]
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Oh I best un cancel my canceld p40 pro exchange then lol [emoji38]
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If you're purely after a flexible and strong camera performance across all lens and don't mind losing Google Play Services, the P40 Pro is almost impossible to beat in my opinion. The latest .131 firmware update that just came through about a week ago further improves its shooting performance and it can now take macro shots to an extent (I've posted a few other photos in another thread).
The S20 Ultra with its Exynos chipset is just not worth it. Every user has complained of auto focus issues, poor battery life versus its Snapdragon variant and the price tag has set a lot of expectations for perfection which Samsung couldn't deliver (there's a reason why the S20 series sold 50% less than the S10 series and petitions were started demanding Samsung to answer why they separated these two chipsets across various regions) - I'm not against Samsung but this is a sign that there's problems with this phone. The autofocus issues and its inability to take close-up shots are supposedly being fixed in the Note 20+ though.
The OnePlus 8 Pro on the other hand is the best all-rounder I'd say and I'd choose it over the S20 Ultra any day because the screen is just as good as the S20U, has Snapdragon 865 and not the Exynos and is regularly updated with new firmware (a friend of mine coming from the P30 Pro said it was a nice upgrade). It takes great videos too and is amazing value.
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If you're purely after a flexible and strong camera performance across all lens and don't mind losing Google Play Services, the P40 Pro is almost impossible to beat in my opinion. The latest .131 firmware update that just came through about a week ago further improves its shooting performance and it can now take macro shots to an extent (I've posted a few other photos in another thread).
The S20 Ultra with its Exynos chipset is just not worth it. Every user has complained of auto focus issues, poor battery life versus its Snapdragon variant and the price tag has set a lot of expectations for perfection which Samsung couldn't deliver (there's a reason why the S20 series sold 50% less than the S10 series and petitions were started demanding Samsung to answer why they separated these two chipsets across various regions) - I'm not against Samsung but this is a sign that there's problems with this phone. The autofocus issues and its inability to take close-up shots are supposedly being fixed in the Note 20+ though.
The OnePlus 8 Pro on the other hand is the best all-rounder I'd say and I'd choose it over the S20 Ultra any day because the screen is just as good as the S20U, has Snapdragon 865 and not the Exynos and is regularly updated with new firmware (a friend of mine coming from the P30 Pro said it was a nice upgrade). It takes great videos too and is amazing value.
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I've had the 8 pro and wasn't at all impressed tbh camrea wasn't good and battery life and screen issues with greys and black looked wrong and washed out are stick with P40 pro I think it has best camera option that I'm after and battery life and optimization is Stella on Huawei's I can always install my bank app on tablet so not a deal braker tbh to hell with trump hopefully once he's out the ban will be lifted ,
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I've had the 8 pro and wasn't at all impressed tbh camrea wasn't good and battery life and screen issues with greys and black looked wrong and washed out are stick with P40 pro I think it has best camera option that I'm after and battery life and optimization is Stella on Huawei's I can always install my bank app on tablet so not a deal braker tbh to hell with trump hopefully once he's out the ban will be lifted ,
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OP8P's camera is a solid performer, but it's far from a flagship champion in the photography department in my opinion since the P40P is superior in both hardware and software.
Another reason why The P40P is also great in the battery life department is because there aren't any Google Play Services and other Google-related processes running in the background 24/7. I can disable most of Huawei's app services whenever I want, including their App Store, HiCare, HiSearch and their other apps quickly and easily. Yes, even though the battery capacity is only 4200mAh, Huawei has great RAM management and it's not as bloated anymore with other unwanted apps (at least the global version is pretty clean).
I have both the S20U and P40P, i have to say the Huawei is the better device hardware/software wise i u set it up properly HMS/GMS/ICE BOX. I previously had a P30P and i loved it thought i would go Samsung but honestly they are not top of the crop even if the price is.
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I'm really into the Hardware and aesthetic of the phone, and I think the P40 Pro is the best on the market in that aspect. It really feels premium and worth the price. It's the perfect size and weight and the materials are top notch. The Samsungs S20's just don't feel their price which is the first thing that lets it down to me (the Note 10's were much better in that respect).
If you have some patience and are good with technology and can side load GMS on the P40 Pro I'd definitely recommend it. It's the first phone out of the recent flagships that I want to keep for the next 12 months.
Another option I'd suggest is the Oppo Find X2 Pro. ColourOS I actually find I prefer to Oxygen OS. The camera is excellent and the phone feels and looks quality.
Thanks good to hear , yes had p40 lite briefly had issues getting GMS working on that but alot of the vids aimed at the p40 pro gave up with it in the end , hope to have more success with p40 pro just to be on safe side and to get my Google fix I've also ordered a oneplus 8 12GB green so will have the best of both worlds preferred it over the pro having the p40 pro as main camera phone dont see the point in getting another pro as well Roll on Monday and good buy Ultra [emoji3]
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After nearly one month of use, I decided to write an initial review of Vivo X50 Pro+. The main reason is that Vivo as a part of the Chinese BBK Electronic concern is the least known brand in the west, and I believe unjustifiably.
There are three brands under BBK - Vivo, Oppo, and OnePlus. While the first two were at the beginning success only in the Indian market, the last one is well known in the west too. In fact, it was intended for the west and OnePlus phones were known to bring the most bang for the buck except for the average camera (supposedly no more).
And even Oppo made a great breakthrough with the last models. Only Vivo is left behind.
So why buying a Vivo phone if you are not from the east? And why buying X50 Pro+ exactly?
There are many good reasons for this. Let’s look at them closely.
Design
Even I have to admit I’m anything but a fan of the curved screen (my dream phone design is the Nokia 9.3 concept (https://www.phonearena.com/news/nokia-9-3-pureview-5g-concept-renders_id124342) I accept the reality for the time being and I really hope that that madness evaporates quickly. The curved screen is unpractical (distortion and false touches around the corner) but at least I managed to improve the phone outfit by buying a nice case for a few euros. I bought a model with the glass back (glass back is the second design failure I’m fed up with it’s heavy and fragile). There is a really stunning X50 Pro+ model with faux camel leather but then, I’m not yet prepared to go naked, exposing the back of the phone and especially all precious cameras to all unpredictable harsh situations. Hence I bought a really nice case instead of having an exceptional designed phone.
Display
OK, the part of the phone design is a display. X50 Pro+ comes with a nice E3 AMOLED panel with DCI-P3 color gamut, supporting 120Hz high refresh rate and 240Hz touch sampling rate, and has a peak brightness of 1300nit It also supports HDR10+. The E3 means that the display adds 8% to energy efficiency and has reduced blue glare. Otherwise, it has vivid full colors and sharp picture, which is well seen even under the direct sun. It has a small unnoticeable hole for the front camera, adjustable refresh rate, automatic brightness control, night mode, and three adjustable manifestations: home screen, lock screen and always-on display. What I miss is a chance to put your email on the lock screen, you know, it might be helpful if you lose the phone.
Camera
It is a while when the Vivo camera has been the last time evaluated on DXO. And I’m yet to try the camera in all its functionality. But I’ve already had a chance to compare the shootings with the Huawei P40 Pro and I have to say that I’m impressed. The main sensor among the four is the GN1 camera of Samsung, which supports Dual PD and Tetracell technology, which has 50 million pixels, a single pixel of 1.2μm. The output is 12.5 million pixels, and the single-pixel is 2.4μm, which increases the light sensitivity by four times. ISOCELL GN1 has Samsung’s pixel isolation technology ISOCELL Plus, which uses a physical barrier to isolate the pixels so that more light is collected by the microlens and then absorbed by the pixel’s photodiode.*The result is higher color fidelity and higher sensitivity, bringing natural tones and shadows to high-resolution photography. There is a 13 megapixel portrait camera, which has an f/2.4 aperture, a focal length of 50mm, and a double zoom. The 8 megapixel sensor offers 5x optical and 60x digital zoom. Panoramic pictures, on the other hand, can be taken with the 8-megapixel wide-angle lens.*On the front side, there is a 32 megapixel front camera, which offers an f/2.4 aperture.
Battery
I must admit, I’m immodest as far as the battery is concerned. I came from the Huawei Mate 20X side, I had a 5mAh battery, I’m not a gamer, rather a surfing addict. But surprisingly I noticed that Vivo manages consumption rather well without compromising performance. I manage through a long day easily, usually, I have enough power for two consecutive days.
Hardware
As you might know, X50 Pro+ uses to date the last SoC of Qualcomm, the SM8250 Snapdragon 865 (7 nm+). My phone comes with the 256GB ROM 12GB RAM UFS 3.1. It is fast, reliable, and smooth. The 4G antennas cover all common world bands (exceptions are band 20 of EU and more exotic US bands - like TM 66, 71, V 13, 46, 48, 66 and ATT 14,29,30,66). It is understandable, the phone is meant for Asian markets. And it supports both SA/NSA 5G frequencies 1, 3, 41, 77, 78, 79. That means that it had to cover the most common 5G specter in EU (where it exist) and one 5G band from Sprint (41) for TM in the USA.
Otherwise, the X50 Pro+ has both VoLTE and WoWiFi enabled and it must support Netflix too (I don’t use it). The nice move from Vivo is Wifi 2.4 and 5 aggregation and smooth switching from wifi to mobile when needed.
Software and customization
As expected X50 Pro+ comes with a lot of Chinese applications hardly usable anywhere else. Most of them could be removed from settings, others are removable (and retrievable) with adb shell pm uninstall --user 0.
After thoroughly removing unwanted apps there are negligible Chinese traces remain. One is, for example, when you get deeper into the weather app, you eventually come to the pure Chinese site. Otherwise, the weather is from the Accuweather and very reliable.
The launcher is not bad even if it is not as polished as Huawei’s. It supports gestures, themes, and customization. For more customization, you have to get a theme editor, which functionality is more limited than Huawei’s one. You can replace the stock launcher with the custom one. I didn’t decide to replace it yet, it has some useful feathers. I want to mention that I prefer stock Calendar, Clock, Weather, Albums over the Google ones. And the overall design is nice, I just wanted material icons, which I prefer smaller though. You have a native voice recorder with the phone and really nice messages application, which I haven’t replaced with Google’s even than the last now got RCS in my country. Not to mention very useful note applications with text, voice, picture options, and even OCR which works surprisingly well with foreign languages.
So why switch from Huawei to Vivo?
I admired Mate 20x in the time of acquisition but after two years I started to believe in the combination of a smaller lighter phone together with a tablet when needed. But that is not the main reason. As we all know Huawei lost GMS support. I guess I could live without the majority of Google applications. But I strongly consider the phone as a tool which should be sufficient to replace payment instruments, cards, tickets, personal documents, and keys. In my opinion, this is the second most important role of phones besides getting information.
And all this is now jeopardized if you possess a Huawei phone. Vivo is a completely different story. The company is not in dispute with the US administration and the X50 Pro+ is completely capable to serve the purpose. Despite poor and misleading knowledge of a vendor I bought it from it has full GMS support and it matches CTS profile completely. Google Assistant works flawlessly as well as Google pay.
Thanks for the great review!
Can you post some low light photos in full resolution?
So it passed SafetyNet test?
Are you able to get volte when making calls and does tap to pay work for google pay?
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So it passed SafetyNet test?
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Yes, totally.
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Are you able to get volte when making calls and does tap to pay work for google pay?
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Google pay works in stores without any problem.
Regarding VoLTE and VoWiFi I couldn't test it before because my operator doesn't support it. It says next year every year for about 5 years.
I borrowed a sim and try it but I couldn't enable either of them. I need more time to find out why.
From which store did you buy it?
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Thanks for the great review!
Can you post some low light photos in full resolution?
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So far I like Vivo X50 Pro+ camera but I haven't had much opportunity to test it in all possible circumstances yet. But I did a short comparison between photos taken with the Vivo and those taken with the flagship Huawei P40 Pro. Compared photos are attached, I tried to evaluate them. I'm not a professional photographer but some differences are obvious even for an amateur. But, please, make your own opinion about the results and I'll be glad if someone more skilled than me participates with his (hers) own comment about the results.
So these are my observations:
HV1 - standard cameras were used, Vivo expresses better dynamic range;
HV2 - standard cameras, better Vivo's dynamic range, but a thin cloud covered the sun during the second shot;
HV3 - thin fog in the valley - zoomed pictures, Huawei's camera has a larger zoom;
HV4 - wide shots - pretty equal results;
HV5 - standard cameras - equal results;
HV6 - Wide cameras - equal results;
HV7 - 5X zoom on both cameras - Huawei expresses better dynamic range;
HV8 - close pictures - more vivid colors from Huawei;
HV9 - standard cameras - better dynamic range from Vivo;
HV10 - wide cameras - better dynamic range from Vivo;
HV11 - zoom on both cameras - better dynamic range and sharpness from Vivo;
HV12 - normal shot in almost total darkness - brilliant exposure and sharpness from Huawei;
HV13 - night shot in almost total darkness - brilliant exposure and sharpness from Huawei;
HV14 - normal shot in almost total darkness - brilliant exposure and sharpness from Huawei;
HV15 - night shot in almost total darkness - brilliant exposure and sharpness from Huawei;
HV16- close objects in darkness - brilliant exposure and sharpness from Huawei;
HV18 - semidarkness with the normal shot - brighter but less sharp and with distorted colors picture from Huawei;
HV20 - semidarkness with the night shot - brighter but less sharp, less dynamic range and with distorted colors picture from Huawei;
I must add an explanation:
All pictures are taken on the point and shoot principle. I reckon that I could take a better full dark picture with X50 Pro+ if I would have really tried to keep my hands still that critical seconds when the picture has been developed. Another remark: X50 Pro+'s camera is really fast and that counts a lot, sometimes almost all. This Samsung's GN1 is a brilliant feature, it never made me wait to shoot under the daylight, as Huawei did. Just pointing and shooting, that's it. Maybe occasional lag and consequential shaking make Huawei daylight pictures what they are.
All four X50 pro+'s cameras were done their job taking into account that no phone camera right now is able to compete with Huawei's Leica and AIS configuration in a totally dark environment. I'm truly impressed.
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And the third one..:laugh:
Thanks so much brother!
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It's Trading Shenzhen ( https://tradingshenzhen.com/en/vivo-x50-pro-x50-pro-x50). Although it is from Hongkong It has a few EU offices, gives warranty (it works, I tried it for Xiaomi tablet), and delivers at least to EU duties free (global shipping) in about 3 weeks.
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Thanks so much brother!
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No worries. Should you have any questions just ask.
Princevelyn said:
Are you able to get volte when making calls and does tap to pay work for google pay?
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That issue with VoLTE and VOWiFi - I'm still none the wiser so far...
Maybe someone with more experience could help. All indicators show that it works but actually, it doesn't.
Look at the attached pictures. I used 2 sims, one was mine and it doesn't support either VoLTE or VOWiFi, and the other is my wife's which supports both and has both activated (works with her phone).
And now take a look at settings. With my sim, both VoLTE and VOWiFi settings are missing (case it doesn't support any of them), and with other are shown and activated. The same it is apparent from Secret Phone Settings app.
But the fact is that in both cases when calling, radio falls back from LTE to 3g. Really weird.
I'll try to search Weibo, that's the only possible remaining source of advice that I could remember...
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That issue with VoLTE and VOWiFi - I'm still none the wiser so far...
Maybe someone with more experience could help. All indicators show that it works but actually, it doesn't.
Look at the attached pictures. I used 2 sims, one was mine and it doesn't support either VoLTE or VOWiFi, and the other is my wife's which supports both and has both activated (works with her phone).
And now take a look at settings. With my sim, both VoLTE and VOWiFi settings are missing (case it doesn't support any of them), and with other are shown and activated. The same it is apparent from Secret Phone Settings app.
But the fact is that in both cases when calling, radio falls back from LTE to 3g. Really weird.
I'll try to search Weibo, that's the only possible remaining source of advice that I could remember...
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Yeah that is the problem I am having with my vivo nex 3 and there is no support for volte, when I contacted vivo customer service they said that the Chinese rom version was not able to have volte enabled and that is only supported cdma carriers with volte. Thanks for the in-depth look though !!!
I new it! One of the very best phone cameras on the market right now: https://www.dxomark.com/vivo-x50-pro-plus-camera-review-aiming-for-the-top/
Finally we get much anticipated and more thorough review:
https://www.gsmarena.com/vivo_x50_pro_plus-review-2170p3.php
I have a few remarks though:
Importing X50 Pro+ is not such hassle;
Audio from mono speaker may not be superior (for mono not bad either) but dedicated hifi chip makes miracle and dominates both via wired and Bluetooth earpieces - in my opinion that's far more important;
Funtouch is far better, customizable and closer to stock than miui - miui on my tablet was so buggy that I was just lucky enough to have a chance to root it and totally replace the system with lineage;
Not to mention Oppo regarding camera, performance and customization - it's significantly behind X50 pro+;
And Xiaomi Ultra camera is not such surplus - check Dxomark analysis;
Huawei is another story but it is right now hit hard with lack of mobile services.
It works on TMobile 5g network in usa?
Yes, it works. Yesterday I had opportunity to test 5G on band 41 and it worked. T-Mobile uses this band aquared from Sprint.
How is battery life? How many hours screen on time?
Hello
I'm interested in buying this phone. I plan to import it from china but have many questions if anyone is kind enough to help:
1. How will network connectivity be in the UK? I'm on EE & only really use 3g & 4g. I don't use 5g. Is signal strength strong? Data speeds fast?
2. How is the overall camera experience? YouTube & online reviews are giving mixed opinions. Some are saying the colour is off, some are saying it's perfect & the best camera phone atm.
3. Is the front camera really bad? I know it doesn't have 4k which is actually ridiculous considering this is a high end device, but, how's the overall performance of the front camera?
4. How is the battery life? Especially when compared to the likes of s22 ultra, mi11 ultra, vivo x80 Pro etc?
5. Have Xiaomi released any significant updates for the 12s Ultra? Any updates that have made the experience better, whether it's for battery life, performance or camera?
6. As the 12s ultra is a china only device, does Google services work properly? Do notifications work properly? Banking apps? I don't use Android auto so not fussed about that. Are there any services/apps that won't work in the UK on this phone? Or does Google services run perfectly?
7. Are you happy with your 12s ultra? If you could swap your 12s ultra for any other phone of the same value, would you do it or would you say that for the price range, the 12s ultra is the best in it's class?
Finally, am I better off getting the 11 ultra or waiting for the Xiaomi 13 or just going for the 12s ultra? I heard that the 11 ultra has horrible battery life, is this true or have recent updates made the 11 ultra battery life better ?
I'll try to give you a complete answer as I can I have this phone since last month, I live in Israel and I use 5G but 5G here is awful in my area (same speed as 4G) even though I have a 5G plan but that is a different conversation,
I have the Verdant Green 12/512 Version I bought it for $1225 from Aliexpress:
1). I don't live in the UK so I cannot say, here the signal is good, even on 4g and 3g (there is no 2g in my carrier so I can't test that), I do have an issue of calls suddenly dropping for no reason (bug in software I assume)
2). The main camera is awesome, the camera experience is super fast and launches very very quickly and snaps shots very fast, also the camera is very detailed, the ultrawide and telephoto are of a lesser sensor and quality is lower obviously, if you don't mind the quality difference between all 3 then it is great camera, front camera is decent too
3), The camera is decent, does the job, yeah it's max 1080p30fs but it's enough for video calls and still selfie (most use of selfie camera), unless you are a phone vlogger you won't mind the resolution and quality
4). Battery life is great for android flagship type phone, why I write android flagship type phone? since there are tiers in phones with different battery life between all of them, iPhone 13 pro max for example is killing with battery life compared to android flagships, only android Midrangers can compete with iPhone 13 pro max, if you come from android flagships you will be satisfied, if you come from recent android Midranger or lower tier, the battery life is worse, to be expected since this chipset is very powerful but also power hungry, I have the mi 11 ultra before this phone, it was decent with battery life and not too good, the reason is the 120hz screen was very power hungry and 888 chipset not efficient,
5). As of writing, I am using latest stable version 13.0.7 and it has issues, camera sometimes laggs a tiny bit when opening, caller id doesn't always work, and even saved contacts show up as numbers, keyboard gets reset to chinese keyboard with every reboot, developer settings get reset with reboot, wireless charging is limited to around ~20w and doesn't work with 50w wireless car charger pro (I have official 80w, 100w desktop chargers and 50w wireless car charger and all don't work well with this phone and they work perfect with mi 11 ultra)
6). Google is available but there are location issues in GPS sometimes, Google Pay doesn't work at all for me personally some had it work, I couldn't, google location history is not working sometimes, issues here and there
7). I am currently okay and a bit happy with the phone due to the above issues, is it perfect? no, is any phone perfect? also no, this is a china import and you need to know what you are doing in order to use it, I plan to unlock bootloader and flash Xiaomi EU rom to fix all these issues above, it should all be fixed with a custom rom that adjusts the OS to locations outside of china and with full google support, I would not swap the phone since it is very good, just needs more fixing of the above.
The Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra can be bought for less but you have many more issues with it, the phone drains faster and overheats allot, it has proximity sensor issues so taking calls using earpiece and listening to voice messages is a pain, the 888 chipsets is a mess of overheating and battery draining, you will lose battery fast even with basic use, and video calls for long make the phone lag and very hot, I would totally not recommend the mi 11 ultra over the 12s ultra since they fixed all these issues with the 12s ultra,
Basically if you don't like messing around with phones don't get this phone since you will have to do tinkering with it to fix the issues, if you don't mind tinkering like I do it's a great phone and very good competition wise, it has great cameras too, and battery life is wonderful,
I would give it a 9/10, and I only lower its score due to the software issues stated above, after flashing a custom rom and fixing the issues above the rom will be better and it will be a 10/10 in my opinion,
this phone is an ultra phone it focuses on camera, chipset, screen and overall quality and it nails all those points great! I would totally recommend it to phone tinkerers
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I'll try to give you a complete answer as I can I have this phone since last month, I live in Israel and I use 5G but 5G here is awful in my area (same speed as 4G) even though I have a 5G plan but that is a different conversation,
I have the Verdant Green 12/512 Version I bought it for $1225 from Aliexpress:
1). I don't live in the UK so I cannot say, here the signal is good, even on 4g and 3g (there is no 2g in my carrier so I can't test that), I do have an issue of calls suddenly dropping for no reason (bug in software I assume)
2). The main camera is awesome, the camera experience is super fast and launches very very quickly and snaps shots very fast, also the camera is very detailed, the ultrawide and telephoto are of a lesser sensor and quality is lower obviously, if you don't mind the quality difference between all 3 then it is great camera, front camera is decent too
3), The camera is decent, does the job, yeah it's max 1080p30fs but it's enough for video calls and still selfie (most use of selfie camera), unless you are a phone vlogger you won't mind the resolution and quality
4). Battery life is great for android flagship type phone, why I write android flagship type phone? since there are tiers in phones with different battery life between all of them, iPhone 13 pro max for example is killing with battery life compared to android flagships, only android Midrangers can compete with iPhone 13 pro max, if you come from android flagships you will be satisfied, if you come from recent android Midranger or lower tier, the battery life is worse, to be expected since this chipset is very powerful but also power hungry, I have the mi 11 ultra before this phone, it was decent with battery life and not too good, the reason is the 120hz screen was very power hungry and 888 chipset not efficient,
5). As of writing, I am using latest stable version 13.0.7 and it has issues, camera sometimes laggs a tiny bit when opening, caller id doesn't always work, and even saved contacts show up as numbers, keyboard gets reset to chinese keyboard with every reboot, developer settings get reset with reboot, wireless charging is limited to around ~20w and doesn't work with 50w wireless car charger pro (I have official 80w, 100w desktop chargers and 50w wireless car charger and all don't work well with this phone and they work perfect with mi 11 ultra)
6). Google is available but there are location issues in GPS sometimes, Google Pay doesn't work at all for me personally some had it work, I couldn't, google location history is not working sometimes, issues here and there
7). I am currently okay and a bit happy with the phone due to the above issues, is it perfect? no, is any phone perfect? also no, this is a china import and you need to know what you are doing in order to use it, I plan to unlock bootloader and flash Xiaomi EU rom to fix all these issues above, it should all be fixed with a custom rom that adjusts the OS to locations outside of china and with full google support, I would not swap the phone since it is very good, just needs more fixing of the above.
The Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra can be bought for less but you have many more issues with it, the phone drains faster and overheats allot, it has proximity sensor issues so taking calls using earpiece and listening to voice messages is a pain, the 888 chipsets is a mess of overheating and battery draining, you will lose battery fast even with basic use, and video calls for long make the phone lag and very hot, I would totally not recommend the mi 11 ultra over the 12s ultra since they fixed all these issues with the 12s ultra,
Basically if you don't like messing around with phones don't get this phone since you will have to do tinkering with it to fix the issues, if you don't mind tinkering like I do it's a great phone and very good competition wise, it has great cameras too, and battery life is wonderful,
I would give it a 9/10, and I only lower its score due to the software issues stated above, after flashing a custom rom and fixing the issues above the rom will be better and it will be a 10/10 in my opinion,
this phone is an ultra phone it focuses on camera, chipset, screen and overall quality and it nails all those points great! I would totally recommend it to phone tinkerers
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Thank you very much for this detailed reply. I will hold off from buying it until the eu ROM is out. Can you please update your experience on here once you've flashed the EU ROM?
My opinion. I did cleared cache and data of System launcher and after restart developer mode still stays with 13.0.7 MIUI. Need to clear AOD cache and data to have notification on AOD and lock screen.
I had before Samsung S8 Active, Gsmarena says 111hours of battery juice, no way. Ultra 12s is two times more efficent with everything on performance and max.
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Thank you very much for this detailed reply. I will hold off from buying it until the eu ROM is out. Can you please update your experience on here once you've flashed the EU ROM?
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hi, sorry for late reply, sure I can update, currently on 13.0.8 (latest stable as of writing) phone is working great for the most part, but only xiaomi eu rom will fix all these issues
Hi, I have both the 12s Ultra and Mi 11 Ultra.
Color balance is better on 12S Ultra but to my dissappointment the Mi 11 Ultra has a better camera. Big surprise to me but how much I WANT the 12S to take better pictures that is not the case.
Having a hard time deciding if I shall sell it or if I shall keep it and hope that they will fix it in future SW releases.
It should win hands down when they bring their c2 chip online. Let's hope it's not too long.
Hey guys,
I have just ordered myself the HONOR Magic Vs (Live in the UK) so I'll be able to do some comparison between the two devices.
Just from the spec sheets, they do look quite similar with the Thinness aspect going to the Mix Fold 2 and the Battery size going to the Magic Vs...
The biggest plus of the Magic Vs is the "Global" factor. It has full Google support, and no Chinese bloatware (which is a little strange for a Huawei... aahhh sorry HONOR device )
For more specific impressions, after I receive it. Should only take a couple of days (I hope) It is a local UK delivery after all...
Another thing to consider is the price! Currently, it is "only" £1199 with the £200 discount promo code they give you when you register at the hihonor.com website. The standard price after 25.05 will be £1399 or 1599 Euro in some EU countries...
If you would like to know anything specific, just ask. I'll answer all questions when I get it.
OrionBG said:
Hey guys,
I have just ordered myself the HONOR Magic Vs (Live in the UK) so I'll be able to do some comparison between the two devices.
Just from the spec sheets, they do look quite similar with the Thinness aspect going to the Mix Fold 2 and the Battery size going to the Magic Vs...
The biggest plus of the Magic Vs is the "Global" factor. It has full Google support, and no Chinese bloatware (which is a little strange for a Huawei... aahhh sorry HONOR device )
For more specific impressions, after I receive it. Should only take a couple of days (I hope) It is a local UK delivery after all...
Another thing to consider is the price! Currently, it is "only" £1199 with the £200 discount promo code they give you when you register at the hihonor.com website. The standard price after 25.05 will be £1399 or 1599 Euro in some EU countries...
If you would like to know anything specific, just ask. I'll answer all questions when I get it.
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I thought about buying the Honor Magic Vs or Tecno Phantom V Fold. But the Honor inner screen is max 90Hz and has a camera hole. Tecno is not really known yet.
So i bought the Xiaomi Fold 2 in sale (€1000), unlocked the bootloader and rooted it. I made it more global with Magisk modules.
Before the Xiaomi Fold 2 i had the Vivo X Fold. It has great camera's, loved the two in-display fingerprint readers and mute switch. But thinks like Android Auto didn't work and Vivo doesn't want you to unlock the bootloader.
I skip the Oppo Find N2 and maybe also the Google Pixel Fold because i don't like it in size.
Still curious what you think about the Honor Magic Vs.
Since you asked it here on XDA forum, of course I will recommend Xiaomi devices over Huawei/Honor ones. I will never take a device with non-unlockable bootloader into account!
I have both.
TBH I prefer the Xiaomi. Even though the Honor magic vs has full GMS /Android auto so you dont need to root, it lacks basics like wifi calling/volte
If it didn't have the internal selfie camera, I might have been more inclined. This is one of the deciding factors for the Mix Fold 2 too. Completely un-interrupted inner screen.
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I have both.
TBH I prefer the Xiaomi. Even though the Honor magic vs has full GMS /Android auto so you dont need to root, it lacks basics like wifi calling/volte
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m1key said:
I have both.
TBH I prefer the Xiaomi. Even though the Honor magic vs has full GMS /Android auto so you dont need to root, it lacks basics like wifi calling/volte
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Mine got delivered today so I'll check this tonight but according to other people in the Honor forums, WiFi Calling/Volte work fine...
WhySoSeriousJoKer said:
And what about the camera's?
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Cameras are 50MP Main, 6MP Telephoto with 3x optical zoom, and 50MP Wide angle. Should be able to produce quite reasonable results.
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If it didn't have the internal selfie camera, I might have been more inclined. This is one of the deciding factors for the Mix Fold 2 too. Completely un-interrupted inner screen.
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Yeah, the camera hole can be annoying but all other foldables I've owned had it (except the Mix Fold 2) that I'm used to it. If the software can be made to ignore it, I'll be reasonably happy...
Hey guys,
I've been playing for a while with the Magic Vs and here are some initial thoughts of mine:
1. Everything just works! Global ROM is a blessing that you can only fully appreciate after you had several years of Chinese ROMs on Devices not made for Global use. Even some apps look a little different than the versions I have in the Mix Fold 2. All google services are happily running, Android Auto is integrated into the software.
The only thing that makes me miss Root a little bit is AdAway. It still works but with Root it works better. All My banking apps work flawlessly, Fingerprint is not iffy with them (have an issue with it in the Lloyds Banking App on the Mix Fold 2)
2. Hardware and build quality wise it is quite nice. It feels as good as the Mix Fold 2. The camera hole on the internal screen is not that bad although I know some people will hate it. Battery life seems better for now but it is too early for that. I'll have to use it at least for a week to give you more accurate notes on that.
The sound is on par and maybe a little bit better sounding... Most probable because there is a little bit more space inside for better speaker chambers... Don't know... A lot nicer rind and Alarm melodies BTW
On that note, the device does not feel any thicker than the Mix Fold 2. Both screens are a couple of mm smaller but the difference is negligible...
3. No notification issues so far... The is one strange thing that all app notifications are not enabled by default but the first time you start the app, it will ask for all needed permissions like in a normal phone for the Global market.
Google Assistant is fully integrated and working. "Hey Google" works even on a locked phone.
The always-on display shows all notifications. NetFlix is fully supported with HDR10...
Basically, it shows what the Mix Fold 2 could have been if it had proper Global software.
One more interesting thing I found just now is that due to some Honor... Magic... the Gboard keyboard switches from a normal one to the split type the moment you go to the big screen... and stays like that in both portrait and landscape... Miracle
I'm doubtful to buy the Honor Magic vs. The 12GB/512GB global model now only costs €1005 at pdaplaza, but i've now got pretty much everything working on my Xiaomi Mix Fold 2. Choices.