Question Android's lack of an easy-to-use local computer backup. - General Questions and Answers

Deciding among:
(1) Samsung Galaxy S Flagship
(2) Pixel
(3) iPhone
Samsung -- offers Smart Switch to create good-enough system backups. Not to mention Samsung DeX and SideSync. Killer and easy-to-use. Apps that don't want you copying their "private data" will obviously have their "private data" get left behind. No big deal.
iPhone -- their local backup feature is sweet and reliable. Plus there are 3rd Party Apps that let you browse thru your backups if that's your thing. It seems to grab almost everything except for things like Signal's messaging data and Banking Apps' data, which is fine with me. Apps that don't want you copying their "private data" will obviously have their "private data" get left behind. No big deal.
Pixel -- this is why I'm here and what I'm bugging out about. I love stock Android. But, there is no native backup-to-computer function. I'm fine with having to use some "advanced tools" like adb. I'm familiar with CLIs. But, I don't have much experience with flashing ROMs and stuff. I basically only have 1 phone right now. So, I can't experiment on it.
Based on some reading:
Here's what I want to accomplish with a Pixel phone WITHOUT ROOTING IT:
(1) Buy a Pixel 4a 5G and set it up as desired.
(2) Use TWRP to backup the whole thing to my PC via adb/USB.
(3) Then, let's say I accidentally break my Pixel 4a 5G 128GB into pieces. But, I go to Best Buy and get/buy a new one as a replacement.
(4) Now, on the replacement unit: I put in the right SIM card, unlock the bootloader, use adb and fastboot to load up TWRP, and then restore the aforementioned backup from the computer.
(5) Now, when I reboot, everything will be essentially back to what it was like in the original phone?
Is this even possible? Do I sound ignorant here? Be honest. Hit me with the truth.

To create a NAND backup phone must be rooted.

jwoegerbauer said:
To create a NAND backup phone must be rooted.
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And, this TWRP thing cannot backup without root?
Sorry, I'm a bit new to these terms.
Maybe I shouldn't even be using them.

So, adb is deprecated and there is no safe non-root way to create a backup except to get a Samsung phone.

As soon as the SU-binary got copied to Android Android is rooted. You don't need to install TWRP or other things to perform a full NAND backup. This can be done by means of ADB utilizing the dd command once SU-binary is present in Android.

Wouldn't a dd backup be unnecessarily large?
I'd prefer something that replicates the entire partition table and directory structure over to the new or same phone.
Does rooting always reset your phone as you have to unlock the bootloader?

nixnixnixnix4 said:
Wouldn't a dd backup be unnecessarily large?
I'd prefer something that replicates the entire partition table and directory structure over to the new or same phone.
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The dd command creates a bitwise copy of the partition selected, thus it isn't "unnecessarily large".
Pseudo code:
copy SU-binary onto Android
make SU-binary executable
using SU-binary mount whole Android as RW
get list of all Android partitions - i.e. corresponding block devices
for each block device found copy its content by means of adb exec-out <- dd to pc

jwoegerbauer said:
The dd command creates a bitwise copy of the partition selected, thus it isn't "unnecessarily large".
Pseudo code:
copy SU-binary onto Android
make SU-binary executable
using SU-binary mount whole Android as RW
get list of all Android partitions - i.e. corresponding block devices
for each block device found copy its content by means of adb exec-out <- dd to pc
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Don't I have to unlock the bootloader, which wipes the phone, in order to get root?
I thought there was no way to root a Pixel without unlocking the bootloader?

nixnixnixnix4 said:
Don't I have to unlock the bootloader, which wipes the phone, in order to get root?
I thought there was no way to root a Pixel without unlocking the bootloader?
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As I can see you didn't get it - for whatever reason. I'm no longer participating this thread ...

jwoegerbauer said:
copy SU-binary onto Android
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Where and how do you find it for a Pixel?

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[GUIDE] Internal Memory Data / Deleted Files Recovery

This is the same tutorial written by Wartickler at this link. Thanks for his efforts, his work is appreciated.
Here we bring minor changes to the tutorial for those of you who are facing problems accomplishing the procedures.
The Problem
Internal Memory doesn't mount as a drive like external memory does. External memory would allow you to use data recovery tools that scan for deleted files and return them to a usable state. These tools work because most operating systems don't go through and set all of those 1's and 0's to just 0's when you delete a file. Usually the operating system will just delete the reference pointer in the index that says that a file exists with such-and-such name and it's located at this position on the hard disk / memory location. There are destructive delete tools out there that will overwrite the spot of a deleted file multiple times to discourage recovery in just this manner. The issue is that data recovery tools need an actual mounted drive in order to dig deep and unearth those funny pictures of cats you so tragically deleted by accident. These newest batches of phones don't have external SDcards which are super easy to mount as drives. Internal memory mounts as MTP/PTP which is not treated as a mounted drive and cannot be scanned by these data recovery tools. But still there is a hope.....
The Process
My phone is the Samsung Galaxy s4 (GT-I9500) though I imagine this should work for ANY phone with Internal Memory. We will be using a Windows 7 machine to:
back up the entire internal memory partition to your computer as a single, massive .RAW file,
convert the .RAW file output to a VHD,
mount the VHD as a disk in Disk Manager,
scan the attached VHD volume for files that have been deleted and recover them,
The Requirements
A rooted Android phone, (try to root with a non-destructive method as this appears to protect those who must root from wiping the device data a second time),
BusyBox installed on your device,
Cygwin installed to [c:\cygwin] with pv and util-linux from the repo (at the package selection screen search for pv then util-linux and click on Default to change it to Install). Make sure to open Cygwin once to make sure that the /bin folder is created. Also, I made a folder at [c:\cygwin\samsung] to put the exported .RAW file,
Netcat (download the ZIP file and extract nc.exe to [c:\cygwin\bin]),
ADB - You can use minimal adb and fastboot which is 2MB only. Attached, find the link at the bottom of this post. (make sure adb.exe is in your path. Path is in System Properties -> Advances -> Environment Variables -> System variables -> Path and add to the end: ";C:\Program Files\Android\sdk\platform-tools" or where ever you placed your adb.exe),
USB Debugging enabled on your device,
VHD tool from the mighty M$. Put the VhdTool.exe file in [c:\cygwin\samsung],
Piriform Recuva or your favorite data recovery tool, (it appears Recuva only finds the more common file types like images, videos, etc. Those were the file types in which I was interested. If you are after more exotic file types perhaps you might share the software you used.)
A calm sense of peace and serenity that you will get your files back... :fingers-crossed:
The Work
*****Based on the number of people having trouble with this step it is now my recommendation that you choose to recover your entire memory block instead of just the data partition. In my phone's case that is mmcblk0. Please discover if yours is different.
[*]*****For identifying which block/partition you want to recover, install DiskInfo from Playstore. Open the app and click on Data (USERDATA) to see the partition name for yours. For our purpose here we are seeking to recover the userdata partition: /dev/block/mmcblk0p21
Turn on your phone
Connect the phone in ADB mode
Unlock the screen.
Open a Cygwin terminal and enter (This assumes your BusyBox installation is at [/system/bin/busybox]. It may be at [/system/xbin/busybox]):
*Remember to enter codes line-by-line. After you enter su, you have to grant permission on your mobile phone at the same time
Code:
adb forward tcp:5555 tcp:5555
adb shell
su
/system/bin/busybox nc -l -p 5555 -e /system/bin/busybox dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0p21
Open another Cygwin terminal and enter:
Code:
adb forward tcp:5555 tcp:5555
cd /samsung
nc 127.0.0.1 5555 | pv -i 0.5 > mmcblk0p21.raw
[*]Depending on the size of partition it may take a while to backup.
We need to convert the .RAW file to a virtual hard drive. VhdTool.exe basically just puts a VHD footer on the end of the .RAW file. Open a Windows command prompt, go to [c:\cygwin\samsung], and type:
Code:
VhdTool.exe /convert mmcblk0p21.raw
Now we need to mount the VHD in Windows. Select the Start button-->right-click Computer-->select Manage.
Select Storage-->Disk Management.
In the menu select Action-->Attach VHD.
For Location enter [c:\cygwin\samsung\mmcblk0p21.raw] and select the OK button.
Right-click on the name (e.g. "Disk 1") to the left of the Unallocated space and select Initialize Disk.
Select the GPT (GUID Partition Table) radio button and select the OK button.
Right-click on the Unallocated space and select New Simple Volume...
In the Wizard select Next>, leave the default for the volume size, select Next>, select a drive letter (e.g. K), select Next>, MAKE SURE to select the 'Do not format this volume' radio button, select Next>, select Finish.
A box will pop up asking you to format the drive. You DO NOT want to format the drive at this time.
Right-click on the RAW space and select Format... MAKE SURE to change the File system to FAT32. Set the Allocation unit size dropdown to 'Default.' MAKE SURE that the Perform a quick format checkbox is CHECKED. You do not want to overwrite the entire new drive with all zeroes (0's) and destroy your data. Quick Format means that it will only attempt to destroy the index for the drive by establishing a new index. Without this box checked the Windows operating system will write zeroes (0's) across the entire volume, potentially destroying your data. Select the OK button.
A box will pop up saying that Formatting this volume will erase all data on it. That would be doubly true if you actually didn't check the 'Perform a quick format' checkbox. Double check that you actually did check the box and select the OK button. (Don't worry. This essentially leaves the volume in the exact same state that your phone's internal memory is living in right now: there is data on the drive...you just can't see it. It's coming back, I promise!)
Open the Piriform Recuva application. In the wizard select the 'Next >' button. Select the 'Other' radio button and select Next >. Select the 'In a specific location' radio button and enter: k:\ (assuming K is the drive letter you chose...) Select the Next > button. Select the Enable Deep Scan checkbox. This is the magical setting that finds files that have been deleted...but not really deleted. Select the Start button.
The application may take about an hour to do the 'Deep Scan.' It's time for more laps around the house! Once the application has returned its results you can choose which files to recover using the checkboxes. Select the 'Recover...' button and choose the location to which you wish to output your files.
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Profit! :victory:
Good Luck :good:
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M S T F said:
This is the same tutorial written by Wartickler at this link. Thanks for his efforts, his work is appreciated.
Here we bring minor changes to the tutorial for those of you who are facing problems accomplishing the procedures.
Good Luck :good:
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You should add that the x86 version of Cygwin is needed, not the x64.
Do you also know that as of Android 4.3 this method doesn't work anymore?
yes
Lennyz1988 said:
Do you also know that as of Android 4.3 this method doesn't work anymore?
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it works with 4.4.x and 5.1.1, it probably also works with 4.3. it's just an adb command after all.
Filoppi said:
it works with 4.4.x and 5.1.1, it probably also works with 4.3. it's just an adb command after all.
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No its not that. As of Android 4.3 Google enabled Trim on our decives. That means when you delete a file its really gone. Not even a professional company can get it back.
I have tried the above methode and I could not get any data back. Thats when I started reading about Google enabling Trim and found out its impossible to get it back.
Did you try it on Android 4.3+?
try
Lennyz1988 said:
Do you also know that as of Android 4.3 this method doesn't work anymore?
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Lennyz1988 said:
No its not that. As of Android 4.3 Google enabled Trim on our devices. That means when you delete a file its really gone. Not even a professional company can get it back.
I have tried the above method and I could not get any data back. Thats when I started reading about Google enabling Trim and found out its impossible to get it back.
Did you try it on Android 4.3+?
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I have tried on my previous Samsung galaxy s3 (i9300) and my one plus one, both 64gb, i got at least 20% of the pictures back (.png, .jpg, ...), possibly even 50% since i had no idea how many i had on the device, some zip, most of .pdf and .doc and some other random stuff.
In both cases i did not manually delete the files from the phone, instead, i screwed up the partitions by deleting some system file, so after restarting, the SDcard/used data partition was empty.
i noticed though that even if my phone only had 500mb of free space available, the .raw partitions i extracted with this method were mostly empty, they only had about 10% of the data, so i guess some happened when android restarted, maybe yeah, some kind of trimming.
i think its worth trying anyway. just remember to not open any program or copy any file in the memory, as it would lower the chances to get anything back.
Filoppi said:
I have tried on my previous Samsung galaxy s3 (i9300) and my one plus one, both 64gb, i got at least 20% of the pictures back (.png, .jpg, ...), possibly even 50% since i had no idea how many i had on the device, some zip, most of .pdf and .doc and some other random stuff.
In both cases i did not manually delete the files from the phone, instead, i screwed up the partitions by deleting some system file, so after restarting, the SDcard/used data partition was empty.
i noticed though that even if my phone only had 500mb of free space available, the .raw partitions i extracted with this method were mostly empty, they only had about 10% of the data, so i guess some happened when android restarted, maybe yeah, some kind of trimming.
i think its worth trying anyway. just remember to not open any program or copy any file in the memory, as it would lower the chances to get anything back.
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Yes but that's something different I think. Then you never deleted the files, they were there but not accessible.
If you look for example in the last 10 pages of the main thread, then no one is able to recover anything. Because it's simple not possible anymore. That's just how Trim works.
Lennyz1988 said:
Yes but that's something different I think. Then you never deleted the files, they were there but not accessible.
If you look for example in the last 10 pages of the main thread, then no one is able to recover anything. Because it's simple not possible anymore. That's just how Trim works.
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I'm sorry for your loss.
Filoppi said:
I'm sorry for your loss.
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What kind of response is that?
gonna try.
for those of u who want to know the blocks and partitions to recover the user data..
ls -l /dev/block/platform/*/by-name
after the adb shell will list them
127.0.0.1 5555 | pv -i 0.5 > mmcblk0p16.raw 0 B 0:00:02 [ 0 B/s]
i stuck at step 7 which is
0 B/s transfer rate
GoGopowerRanger said:
i stuck at step 7 which is
0 B/s transfer rate
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That su is the most important part of command, if you miss it adb will not be able to transfer any data
M S T F said:
That su is the most important part of command, if you miss it adb will not be able to transfer any data
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You should be honest with people. You should put in the op that it will only work on Android versions below 4.3. People are just getting false hope and wasting their time.
This method does NOT work anymore.
Lennyz1988 said:
You should be honest with people. You should put in the op that it will only work on Android versions below 4.3. People are just getting false hope and wasting their time.
This method does NOT work anymore.
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This is not my method nor I have, my self said that 100% you will get what you have deleted. I have only brought minor changes to the tutorial for the sake of successful transfer of data to the pc.
Now if you feel responsible for the feeling of people, definitely I will appreciate if you find another way.
M S T F said:
This is not my method nor I have, my self said that 100% you will get what you have deleted. I have only brought minor changes to the tutorial for the sake of successful transfer of data to the pc.
Now if you feel responsible for the feeling of people, definitely I will appreciate if you find another way.
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That's the thing. You just copy paste a tutorial that does not work. Why would you do that? I can imagine that you did not know that it would not work anymore. But now you do know. What do you hope to achieve? Raising your thanks meter? You give people false hope and you waste their time.
And about me finding another way....There is not even a professional company that can do it. It's impossible at the moment.
Lennyz1988 said:
That's the thing. You just copy paste a tutorial that does not work. Why would you do that? I can imagine that you did not know that it would not work anymore. But now you do know. What do you hope to achieve? Raising your thanks meter? You give people false hope and you waste their time.
And about me finding another way....There is not even a professional company that can do it. It's impossible at the moment.
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I don't need thanks... why I should do.... it doesnt give me anything... I have got my own forum with its nice members.... if someone is in need of thanks, thats is you which is trying to show himself as a defender of others feeling, time, blah blah.......
I have recovered my file on a 4.4.2 android after a system crash which I had to reset the phone. if someone is in desperate need of something s/he will try anything and as far as I know trying this one doesn't harm anyone.
for you I have a recommendation, go and drink something cold and calm down!!!
Errr...
Awesome....the raw extraction worked on my S6 running Android 5.0.2. This time I tried it on a Mac and used Homebrew to install PV. Is there a way to get the entire image, even with the unused space?
Great
Thank you!
Worked on my sm-g900f
If you get nc/pv command not found , try this:
When you open cygwin terminal, start with this line: export PATH="/cygdrive/c/cygwin/bin";$PATH
The terminal should now know the location of them.
Same if you get that "adb: command not found" just type: export PATH=/cygdrive/c/XXXXX";$PATH
Just replace that XXXXX= to your location of adb.exe.
Hope it helps someone out of this ****

Backup the partition table and all the partitions contents of the phone without root

Hello
I am unsure if this goes here, since this is a generic question that would apply to most Android phones, I decided to put this here or on the General forum
I assume it's also not possible to do what I mention due to the way it's designed.
Let's say I have a new phone and I would like to get a backup of the whole phone partitions and partition table before doing any modification to it, using no root
Would there be a way to get the list of partitions of the phone using cat proc/partitions for example, or any other way
Then use dd to get bin/img files of the device, including bootloader, modem/radio, etc.
Use, let's say, sgdisk command to backup the partition table
I am open to other ideas I might haven't figured out yet.
In short words, I would love to dump my whole device low level data (such as EFS). I usually do this when I am already root, but maybe there's a way to do this without "tampering" the device on first place.
Thanks

[HOW TO] Fully Backup & Restore Android Device

NOTE:
I'm not a developer or something even near to that. I'm a newbie and will be, seems so. All information provided here is copied and compiled from different internet sources. This information is according to best of my knowledge and comprehension and is just for curious souls like me who want to understand things in quite simple words.
I have tested this on different devices. I'll not be responsible for any harm to you or your device. It works perfectly for me. You may try it on your own risk.
Encrypted memory may cause problem in backing up and restoring data. So better decrypt it before proceeding. Or the Recovery should support decryption of /data partition.
WHY YOU NEED TO BACKUP YOUR DATA
For security, in case if device is lost. Read here more about the risks.
If you are going to change your device.
If your device is running out of memory space.
If your device is slowing down or giving random errors and you want a clean start i.e. by factory data reset.
If you are upgrading your Factory Firmware or ROM (OS).
If you are a curious soul like me and interested in experimenting with device.
WHAT TO BACKUP
Backup is a broad term used in many contexts.
PERSONAL DATA
On an android device, backing up personal data like pictures, music, videos, documents, e-books etc. means backing up Internal Memory (/data/media/) and SD card (if you use one). If you have disabled internal memory (D.I.M), your SD Card would be working as Internal Memory.
Personal data might be created by apps (like Camera, Facebook, WhatsApp etc) or imported from internet or other devices by yourself.
APPS & APPS DATA
If you are upgrading your ROM permanently, you might be interested in backing up your apps and their data as well. So that you don't lose important data and don't have to install apps again. System apps are stored in different folders under /system/ while user apps under /data/.
Apps typically store their data in /data/data/ but it's not a rule. Many apps save / backup their data on Internal Memory and/or SD Card as well. That's why you see folders named 'Android', 'data' etc. on Internal Memory and SD Card. Also, there are numerous folders named after app names. These folders may contain Personal Data as well, created by that certain app.
Contacts and messages are also stored in their default apps' data folder i.e. in /data/data/ and are not usually backed up manually.
OPERATING SYSTEM & APPS & APPS DATA
If you are going to install new ROM temporarily, you may want a complete backup so that you don't have to go through the hassle of installing apps and setting up / personalizing your device again. It usually includes /system, /boot and /data partitions.
OS consists of SYSTEM and BOOT. While user apps & apps data is stored in DATA.
PARTITION IMAGES
From a developer's perspective, one may want to backup the whole device partitions, in case if something goes wrong during experimenting.
Read here more about android partitions.
WHERE TO BACKUP
INTERNAL MEMORY (/sdcard) (/storage/sdcard0) (/data/media/0)
This memory can be used to save data if you are not going to wipe / clean it. A Factory Data Reset usually doesn't wipe this but it can. It depends on the device. Similarly, Recoveries usually don't wipe internal memory but you can manually do so. However, formatting /data would certainly erase internal memory. Formatting might be a part of flashable zip if you are going to install new ROM. Flashing Factory Firmware using flasher will also erase internal memory.
EXTERNAL SD CARD (/external_sd) (/storage/sdcard1)
This is a more safer place to save / backup data because it is not wiped unless done manually or accidentally.
PERSONAL COMPUTER (USB Flash drive or Internal / External Hard Disk)
This is the safest place to keep data with abundant space and the least chances of losing / corrupting data.
ONLINE / CLOUD STORAGE
Some apps, including Google offer backing up your data online and auto-synchronizes it. You should certainly avail this option particularly for sensitive and light weight data like contacts, messages, documents, saved passwords, bookmarks, financial transactions etc. WhatsApp also has a good online backup option. You can use apps like Drive, SMS Backup & Restore, FolderSync, KeepSafe etc. to better utilize this option. But technically, this is a limited option.
HOW TO BACKUP
FILE EXPLORER APPS
You can use a file explorer like ES Explorer or Solid Explorer to manually copy files from, say, Internal Memory to SD Card to back it up.
BACKUP APPS
Some default apps have built-in feature to backup data and settings locally and online e.g. GO-SMS, Tasker etc. You can check apps for this feature.
Also, special backup apps like Titanium Backup can backup almost all of your user and system apps and their data. It can also backup contacts, messages, device settings etc. It can create a flashable zip of backed up data to flash through recovery. However, backups from one ROM may not fully work with other ROM's.
CUSTOM RECOVERY
Backing up data when ROM is running isn't safe. When files are being used by OS, they might not be written / read sometimes. So, a custom recovery is the best option to backup/restore data. Custom recoveries (TWRP/CWM) can backup / restore partitions SYSTEM, BOOT and DATA (excluding internal memory) for sure. Some new recoveries offer backing up more (or all) partitions on device. You can choose where to save backup files i.e. Internal Memory or SD Card. Then you can transfer these files to PC as well.
You can also use recovery's File Explorer to copy Internal Memory to SD Card. However, it's a slower process if you have a large number of files to backup.
PC
You can use PC in multiple ways to backup/restore data within device or from/to PC.
First of all, you will often come across different software advertised on net claiming to fully backup your device when connected to PC. They work but are not much useful / reliable according to my experience. Give them a try, if you want to.
Secondly, you can use USB cable to directly connect your device (as MTP in ROM or recovery) to PC or use apps like Wi-Fi File Transfer to wirelessly connect (in ROM) and then explore Internal Memory and SD Card. FTP or SFTP (SSH) server may also be setup on Android to remotely access it from PC if both are on same network.
Thirdly, you can mount SD Card as flash drive (UMS in ROM) or switch off your device, remove SD Card and then insert directly into PC through card reader to manually copy files. This method is faster, to copy large data. However, mounting as UMS in running ROM isn't recommended, particularly if you are using D.I.M. It will crash apps.
In Android 5+ UMS may not be available in USB settings as it has been deprecated in favor of MTP to avoid problems. However, to copy large data from internal SD card is really problematic without direct USB connection. Or what if we need to recover accidentally deleted data from internal memory? We can directly attach internal memory (as in UMS) to PC by a little hacking.
Fourthly and ultimately, like a boss , you can use life saving ADB feature of android to backup/restore your data as well as recovering your device from difficult situations and doing a lot of stuff. It's the best and fastest method to backup Internal Memory to SD Card and then restore (COPY WHOLE FOLDER (within device)). Or you can COPY WHOLE FOLDER (From/To PC) or COPY WHOLE PARTITION IMAGE (within device) or BACKUP / RESTORE APPS & DATA (From/To PC) in seconds.
Read here more about android partitions.
Another application that you can use to backup your phone to computer is Apowersoft Phone Manager. This works greatly in managing your devices plus it make sure that all your files are secured from being corrupted or loss.
doublematteo said:
Another application that you can use to backup your phone to computer is Apowersoft Phone Manager. This works greatly in managing your devices plus it make sure that all your files are secured from being corrupted or loss.
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I can't determine the efficiency of the Apowersoft tool, but if you want to backup data , this is right way , after the phone data is backuped ,you don't have to worry about the deleted data unable be recovered back ,
The backup files is the best way to recover deleted data from phone
Kindly guide me on restoring app data alone from a nandroid to newer version of an app..
The scenario is that ,I upgraded to a higher android OS but find some of my apps(with no cloud storage),restored from my nandroid ,crashing; probably prompted by the change in OS.
I downloaded the compatible version of the app from playstore,but am clueless how to sync restored app data from nandroid to this version.
DIGVIJAY24 said:
Kindly guide me on restoring app data alone from a nandroid to newer version of an app..
The scenario is that ,I upgraded to a higher android OS but find some of my apps(with no cloud storage),restored from my nandroid ,crashing; probably prompted by the change in OS.
I downloaded the compatible version of the app from playstore,but am clueless how to sync restored app data from nandroid to this version.
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Would you please mention apps names? Don't uninstall previous version. Just install compatible version over it. It should automatically have previous app data.
The backup program is much simpler than the android recovery program,
I came here looking for the best way to back up my internal storage before activities like flashing a new ROM or firmware. Previously, I'd plug my phone into my PC and just drag and drop the internal storage partition to a folder on my computer, but I'd often have to do it a few times because some file would get hung up, or the phone would randomly disconnect (even though my phone, cables, and computer are all new and high quality).
I'm currently using the TWRP file explorer to copy /sdcard to /external-sd/!InternalBackup, but there is no running log or progress indicator... So, this approach is less than ideal.
I'm still looking for the best method (not necessarily a software that will do it for me) that will do it fast, not get interrupted, and provide good feedback on if it's working and how much longer it will take. (The TWRP method above checks the first 2 criteria, but the 3rd is woefully insufficient.
I'm thinking that the best way to back up the internal SD will be in recovery, otherwise something might be in use and will halt the process.
Any suggestions?
DrPhant0m said:
I came here looking for the best way to back up my internal storage before activities like flashing a new ROM or firmware. Previously, I'd plug my phone into my PC and just drag and drop the internal storage partition to a folder on my computer, but I'd often have to do it a few times because some file would get hung up, or the phone would randomly disconnect (even though my phone, cables, and computer are all new and high quality).
I'm currently using the TWRP file explorer to copy /sdcard to /external-sd/!InternalBackup, but there is no running log or progress indicator... So, this approach is less than ideal.
I'm still looking for the best method (not necessarily a software that will do it for me) that will do it fast, not get interrupted, and provide good feedback on if it's working and how much longer it will take. (The TWRP method above checks the first 2 criteria, but the 3rd is woefully insufficient.
I'm thinking that the best way to back up the internal SD will be in recovery, otherwise something might be in use and will halt the process.
Any suggestions?
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Commandline solutions are always best. You have better control over them. Use TWRP built-in terminal to run commands.
Simply 'cp' with verbose option "-v" is what fulfills your needs. 'rsync' is better if you want to save time by automatically skipping unchanged existing files. If you want to preserve file attributes and permissions, use 'tar'. Added compression can be achieved by 'xz' or '7za'. All of these commands are stable solutions, with high speed and ability to handle/resume broken/interrupted operations.
TWRP comes with busybox bundled. Busybox utilities have limited functionality and mostly suffice the need but rarely we face unexpected behavior. Instead you can use full static binaries of these commands.
Typing lengthy commands in TWRP shell terminal is somewhat challenging. Either use 'adb shell' or for repeated use, create a shell script and place it in internal memory or SD card. Or you can unpack TWRP image and save script in /sbin directly to run it just as a normal command. Another easy way is to create a flashable zip of your script. This way you can also see progress bar moving if you write a proper script for it.
Hope it helped.
mirfatif said:
Commandline solutions are always best. You have better control over them. Use TWRP built-in terminal to run commands.
Simply 'cp' with verbose option "-v" is what fulfills your needs. 'rsync' is better if you want to save time by automatically skipping unchanged existing files. If you want to preserve file attributes and permissions, use 'tar'. Added compression can be achieved by 'xz' or '7za'. All of these commands are stable solutions, with high speed and ability to handle/resume broken/interrupted operations.
TWRP comes with busybox bundled. Busybox utilities have limited functionality and mostly suffice the need but rarely we face unexpected behavior. Instead you can use full static binaries of these commands.
Typing lengthy commands in TWRP shell terminal is somewhat challenging. Either use 'adb shell' or for repeated use, create a shell script and place it in internal memory or SD card. Or you can unpack TWRP image and save script in /sbin directly to run it just as a normal command. Another easy way is to create a flashable zip of your script. This way you can also see progress bar moving if you write a proper script for it.
Hope it helped.
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That's a lot of help... But I lack the basic understanding and experience to make use of it all. I'll have to Google it a bit and look at some examples. Thanks!
UPDATE: I did a little research, and I succeeded in using "cp" to do a test move in TWRP (I had to use -r and -v), but even using -v didn't create a progress bar or any indication that files were being moved. It just finished and went to the next new line. Is this expected?
Also... my version of TWRP doesn't seem to have rsync available. When I try to use rsync in TWRP, I get
Code:
sh: rsync: not found
So it seems that TWRP's terminal doesn't have rsync. I'm using TWRP 3.0.2-1
So... I'm currently using the Termux app to do the cp operation. I'd prefer to use rsync, which is supported in Termux, however, unless I do "su" first, it says it doesn't have access to the destination folder. And, when I use "su" I can't use rsync. I get pretty much the same message as when I try to use it in TWRP... something like "rsync not found"
Does this mean that when Termux is using root, it can't use rsync? Does that make sense?
Any help?
Thanks!
DrPhant0m said:
I did a little research, and I succeeded in using "cp" to do a test move in TWRP (I had to use -r and -v), but even using -v didn't create a progress bar or any indication that files were being moved. It just finished and went to the next new line. Is this expected?
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'cp -r' copies recursively i.e. files/directories under directories and so on. So it's definitely required if you want to copy directories. 'cp -v' shows each file which is being copied, but not the progress during a single file copying. Check 'cp --help' for options.
Also... my version of TWRP doesn't seem to have rsync available. When I try to use rsync in TWRP, I get
Code:
sh: rsync: not found
So it seems that TWRP's terminal doesn't have rsync. I'm using TWRP 3.0.2-1
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TWRP uses busybox which doesn't have rsync built-in. You can get a copy of static (independently working) rsync binary from many sources like this. Aarch64 will be a bit faster. Check 'getrpop | grep ro.product.cpu' to find your CPU architecture if it's 64-bit or 32. When in TWRP, place binary in /sbin directory. Then do 'chmod 0777 /sbin/rsync' to make it executable. Now you can use rsync. 'rsync --help' will show you options and basic help. Do note, /sbin is on volatile filesystem i.e. it will be gone on reboot. Don't expect it to be permanently there. You can also use rsync from other locations like sd card but that will need to call binary with full path and filesystem may put restrictions on execution.
So... I'm currently using the Termux app to do the cp operation. I'd prefer to use rsync, which is supported in Termux, however, unless I do "su" first, it says it doesn't have access to the destination folder. And, when I use "su" I can't use rsync. I get pretty much the same message as when I try to use it in TWRP... something like "rsync not found"
Does this mean that when Termux is using root, it can't use rsync? Does that make sense?
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It's expected. When we do 'su' on Termux, it's environment is gone and PATH is set to /system/bin etc. So any binaries which Termux downloaded to /data/data/com.termux/files/usr/bin won't work. There are better options, but easiest is to use 'tsu' instead of 'su' on Termux. It will handle things for you to run Termux binaries in superuser mode. Do 'apt install tsu' when connected to internet. Once installed, simply execute 'tsu'. Now you can use Termux rsync binary.
Or use rsync static bianry instead as explained above. Copy rsync to /system/bin/ or /system/xbin/ etc. and set permissions. SELinux may interfere if it's set to "Enforcing". Do 'getenforce' to check and 'setenforce 0' to set it "Permissive".
DrPhant0m said:
That's a lot of help... But I lack the basic understanding and experience to make use of it all. I'll have to Google it a bit and look at some examples. Thanks!
UPDATE: I did a little research, and I succeeded in using "cp" to do a test move in TWRP (I had to use -r and -v), but even using -v didn't create a progress bar or any indication that files were being moved. It just finished and went to the next new line. Is this expected?
Also... my version of TWRP doesn't seem to have rsync available. When I try to use rsync in TWRP, I get
So it seems that TWRP's terminal doesn't have rsync. I'm using TWRP 3.0.2-1
So... I'm currently using the Termux app to do the cp operation. I'd prefer to use rsync, which is supported in Termux, however, unless I do "su" first, it says it doesn't have access to the destination folder. And, when I use "su" I can't use rsync. I get pretty much the same message as when I try to use it in TWRP... something like "rsync not found"
Does this mean that when Termux is using root, it can't use rsync? Does that make sense?
Any help?
Thanks!
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This reply is probably a bit late for you, but...
If you install tsu (pkg install tsu) in TermUX and use tsu rather than su, it'll work.
Tsu sets up the runtime context for su properly.
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BillGoss said:
This reply is probably a bit late for you, but...
If you install tsu (pkg install tsu) in TermUX and use tsu rather than su, it'll work.
Tsu sets up the runtime context for su properly.
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Hey, it's never too late to refine your backup strategy. Thanks for letting me know.
I installed tsu in Termux, and when it finished, I tried to use rsync with su, and got the same "rsync: not found" error. Please see the following output, with my entries in Bold[/B].
Code:
$ [B]pkg install tsu[/B]
[COLOR="Gray"][I]~~
~~[LOTS OF LINES DETAILING THE INSTALLATION OF TSU]~~
~~[/I][/COLOR]
Setting up tsu (1.1)...
$ [B]su[/B]
elsa:/data/data/com.termux/files/home # [B]rsync[/B]
sh: rsync: not found
127|elsa:/data/data/com.termux/files/home #
*** Though I did enjoy watching the movie with my son, I did not pick the name Elsa for my device. That's just what LG called the carrier-free V20, Model US996.
Am I doing something wrong? To be clear.. I just did "rsync" without any commands/switches to see if it would produce the help info. I knew it wouldn't actually attempt to copy anything.
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Hey, it's never too late to refine your backup strategy. Thanks for letting me know.
I installed tsu in Termux, and when it finished, I tried to use rsync with su, and got the same "rsync: not found" error. Please see the following output, with my entries in Bold[/B].
*** Though I did enjoy watching the movie with my son, I did not pick the name Elsa for my device. That's just what LG called the carrier-free V20, Model US996.
Am I doing something wrong? To be clear.. I just did "rsync" without any commands/switches to see if it would produce the help info. I knew it wouldn't actually attempt to copy anything.
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Lol! You missed the key point: use tsu instead of su.
Instead of typing "su", type "tsu".
But don't take it too hard - I did the same thing when I first started.
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Got it. Worked just fine. Thanks!
DrPhant0m said:
I installed tsu in Termux, and when it finished, I tried to use rsync with su, and got the same "rsync: not found" error. Please see the following output, with my entries in Bold[/B].
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I mentioned to use 'tsu' instead of 'su' but probably you missed that.
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When we do 'su' on Termux, it's environment is gone and PATH is set to /system/bin etc. So any binaries which Termux downloaded to /data/data/com.termux/files/usr/bin won't work. There are better options, but easiest is to use 'tsu' instead of 'su' on Termux. It will handle things for you to run Termux binaries in superuser mode. Do 'apt install tsu' when connected to internet. Once installed, simply execute 'tsu'. Now you can use Termux rsync binary.
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/data/data/com.termux/files/bin/tsu is just a wrapper i.e. a shell script that sets environment variables for Termux and then executes 'su'.
mirfatif said:
I mentioned to use 'tsu' instead of 'su' but probably you missed that.
/data/data/com.termux/files/bin/tsu is just a wrapper i.e. a shell script that sets environment variables for Termux and then executes 'su'.
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I see it now. I gave a thanks, though admittedly late. Sorry!
Is backup feasible when sd external card has been mounted extending the internal storage (Android 6.0), working as internal storage as well?
Can some expert comment on this, just not to go crazy for nothing. I don't want to upgrade with last rom by manufacturer and lose my data.
I have ADB , fastboot and usb drivers, but trying and use Helium backup I was unable to pair, even though the phone is connected (I can select onscreen for instance PTP or usb storage, tried both, nothing).
Not even sure about nandroid backup also.
HeyRicardo said:
Is backup feasible when sd external card has been mounted extending the internal storage (Android 6.0), working as internal storage as well?
Can some expert comment on this, just not to go crazy for nothing. I don't want to upgrade with last rom by manufacturer and lose my data.
I have ADB , fastboot and usb drivers, but trying and use Helium backup I was unable to pair, even though the phone is connected (I can select onscreen for instance PTP or usb storage, tried both, nothing).
Not even sure about nandroid backup also.
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Yes it's feasible but depends on what, how and where you want to backup.
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Yes it's feasible but depends on what, how and where you want to backup.
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Any solution is fine to me, I just want to be able to restore apps and launcher (Nova launcher prime) with icons arranged as they are, without having to start all over from scratch.
Other data are on the cloud, so if I can possibly backup some folder (from phone or sd card, if the difference matter in my case) good, or I'll take care of it in advance.
Just having the phone upgraded but not reset from the beginning.
If necessary I can try rooting it. Thx for replying.
how to use a twrp data backup for oder rom?

Options other than Titanium Backup for backing up/restoring all Android apps?

Currently running a OnePlus 8T + 5G with unlocked/TWRP bootloader which is not rooted, since neither of the two methods want to work on my specific version (KB2007; unlocked former T-Mobile).
Anyway, I'm trying to switch to another ROM but I'm wondering how best to backup/restore all of my apps. Loved using Titanium Backup way back in the day, but am I still correct in assuming that it doesn't work correctly without root access? If so, are there any non-root methods of backing up all or most of my apps along with their current configurations/etc to restore into the new ROM once it's installed? Obviously, most ROMs will support doing it through Google Play, but then it takes forever to log back in to each app, set it all back up, etc. If I've been missing some basic way of restoring all the apps with their configurations intact, please feel free to smack me upside the head with the answer =)
And my apologies in advance if I'm misusing any of the terminology. Before this phone, it has been at least five years since I even tried rooting/unlocking/etc, so I'm a bit rusty.
In the world of computers an app belongs to person who installed it, app's data are owned by the app itself.
Hence it should be obvious that only an user with elevated rights ( AKA Superuser or Root ) can perform a backup and/or restore.
Take note that a temporary root is enough to do the jobs.
Got it. So, in other words, figure out how to root the phone despite the troubles I've been having trying to do so. Unless there's some sort of temporary root privs available that I've never heard of?
To get a temporary root all you have to do is to add to Android OS the binary called SU
Example
Code:
adb push <LOCATION-OF-SU-BINARY-ON-COMPUTER> /data/local/tmp/
adb shell "chmod +x /data/local/tmp/su"
what then allows you to run Android shell commands when elevated rights are needed
Example
Code:
adb devices
adb shell "/data/local/tmp/su -c '<SHELL-COMMAND-HERE>'"
Am I correct in assuming that SU is the same as "switch/substitute user" in *nix? Does that mean I can run TB from the ADB shell, assuming I include the correct command line arguments? Something along the lines of doing a SUDO in *nix before running something that requires admin access or whatever.
I know this might be quite different from what you're looking for maybe?
In the future if you get a rooted rom, I use something called Migrate from the play store, it requires root and just copies all your data into a bunch of twrp flashable zip files.
Play Store
silentrawr said:
Am I correct in assuming that SU is the same as "switch/substitute user" in *nix? Does that mean I can run TB from the ADB shell, assuming I include the correct command line arguments? Something along the lines of doing a SUDO in *nix before running something that requires admin access or whatever.
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SU in root context usually means super user, as a user with all privileges, but it's the same thing as super user, so yes.
Hello Everyone,
I too am interested in a backup solution for my Android smartphone.
I would happily root or temporarily root, but despite having a computer background that dates back to Unix, I am an Android novice and do not know how to perform these operations which to most people here seem elementary.
Could someone please point me to an easy to understand primer on either temporary root or permanent root.
I would be very appreciative and I am sure that there are other readers of this post who would benefit as well.
Thank you.
AndroidNewbie9000 said:
Could someone please point me to an easy to understand primer on either temporary root or permanent root.
I would be very appreciative and I am sure that there are other readers of this post who would benefit as well.
Thank you.
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The thing is, that the "official" way to root a device nowadays usually includes a wipe of all user data. You basically have to decide that you want to do full backups before you use an app. This is a security measure so that an attacker cannot use the official way to e.g. access app-internal data on a stolen phone, like secret tokens of 2FA-apps. In order to backup existing app-internal data you either need to use the per-app-backup that the creators of that app did hopefully include or hope that the allowed to do adb backup. That can be used without root, but depending on your Android, apps either need to allow this explicitly or at least not explicitly disallow that in their manifest file.
In principle you can use exploits for non-official rooting to backup existing data that is blocked from adb backup - but this is only an option if you do not have the latest security updates in place and an exploit is publicly available.

How to acquire an Android physical disk image?

Hi there,
As the title suggests, I would like to acquire a physical disk image of my Samsung Galaxy A01 which I will be using Autopsy to analyze. My research has lead me to believe that in order to do so one must first root the device. So my questions are:
1. If I root the device will all the data I am attempting to analyze be deleted/erased in the process?
2. Does anyone know of a good guide for Android disk image acquisition?
I have been following the DFIRScience channel on youtube but in his video on disk image acquisition he uses KingoRoot which according to this rooting guide (last section at bottom of article) by XDA is bad practice.
This rooting guide from guidetoroot.com mentions that during the rooting process all the data will be erased, and this is where my confusion has come from. If that is true it would seem counter productive to the purpose of acquiring a disk image. My operating system is Win 8.1 Pro by the way.
I would very much appreciate it if someone could help me out with this.
Dune_Rat said:
Hi there,
As the title suggests, I would like to acquire a physical disk image of my Samsung Galaxy A01 which I will be using Autopsy to analyze. My research has lead me to believe that in order to do so one must first root the device. So my questions are:
1. If I root the device will all the data I am attempting to analyze be deleted/erased in the process?
2. Does anyone know of a good guide for Android disk image acquisition?
I have been following the DFIRScience channel on youtube but in his video on disk image acquisition he uses KingoRoot which according to this rooting guide (last section at bottom of article) by XDA is bad practice.
This rooting guide from guidetoroot.com mentions that during the rooting process all the data will be erased, and this is where my confusion has come from. If that is true it would seem counter productive to the purpose of acquiring a disk image. My operating system is Win 8.1 Pro by the way.
I would very much appreciate it if someone could help me out with this.
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The guides that discuss the device being wiped during the root process only applies to devices that have locked bootloader. These devices have to unlock the bootloader before they can modify the device, the device gets wiped by default as part of the process of unlocking the bootloader.
Droidriven said:
The guides that discuss the device being wiped during the root process only applies to devices that have locked bootloader. These devices have to unlock the bootloader before they can modify the device, the device gets wiped by default as part of the process of unlocking the bootloader.
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Ah I see, thanks very much, Droidriven. Do you perhaps know of any good recent guides for android disk image acquisition?
Dune_Rat said:
Ah I see, thanks very much, Droidriven. Do you perhaps know of any good recent guides for android disk image acquisition?
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The term "disk image" does not apply to android. What do you mean by "disk image"?
If you are asking if there is a way to backup the operating system on your device and all other data on your device before you attempt to root your device, there is no way to do that without either root or TWRP custom recovery. You don't need both, but, you do need at least one of them. There are ways to backup user data using adb without root but you can't backup the operating system or anything else in the system partition.
Without root, you, as the user, can only backup user installed apps and their corresponding app data/settings, user data stored in internal storage and device settings.
If the operating system gets corrupted during your rooting attempt, you will have to flash your device's stock firmware via Odin then restore any data that you backed up.
Droidriven said:
The term "disk image" does not apply to android. What do you mean by "disk image"?
If you are asking if there is a way to backup the operating system on your device and all other data on your device before you attempt to root your device, there is no way to do that without either root or TWRP custom recovery. You don't need both, but, you do need at least one of them. There are ways to backup user data using adb without root but you can't backup the operating system or anything else in the system partition.
Without root, you, as the user, can only backup user installed apps and their corresponding app data/settings, user data stored in internal storage and device settings.
If the operating system gets corrupted during your rooting attempt, you will have to flash your device's stock firmware via Odin then restore any data that you backed up.
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Thanks for the info. By "disk image" I was referring to the "cloning" of the device once rooted. I would like to test out some digital forensic software like Autopsy with a real world device like my A01 by acquiring/making a physical disk image of it.
That's the term they use in digital forensics...there's physical and then there's logical disk images. Logical disk images are used more for surface analysis and has limitations on what can be done with it and does not appear to need rooting. Physical disk images on the other hand provide full unrestricted access to all files. Well, that's my understanding of it, anyway.
I would like to try using FTK Imager for this purpose (acquiring a disk image) but it's not detecting the device so I'm also hoping that will be sorted out once the phone has been rooted.
Dune_Rat said:
Thanks for the info. By "disk image" I was referring to the "cloning" of the device once rooted. I would like to test out some digital forensic software like Autopsy with a real world device like my A01 by acquiring/making a physical disk image of it.
That's the term they use in digital forensics...there's physical and then there's logical disk images. Logical disk images are used more for surface analysis and has limitations on what can be done with it and does not appear to need rooting. Physical disk images on the other hand provide full unrestricted access to all files. Well, that's my understanding of it, anyway.
I would like to try using FTK Imager for this purpose (acquiring a disk image) but it's not detecting the device so I'm also hoping that will be sorted out once the phone has been rooted.
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You're looking for what we call a "nandroid backup", a copy of all data that is stored on the device. Typically, creating a nandroid backup requires either rooting the device then using adb commands to pull a nandroid backup or it requires installing a custom recovery such as TWRP that has an option to create a nandroid backup from within recovery mode.
Your device probably doesn't have a custom recovery/TWRP. Custom recoveries are built specific to the model number that they are to be installed on, there is no such thing as a universal custom recovery that can be used on all android devices. If no developer has chosen to build a version of TWRP for your specific model number then your device can't use TWRP unless you manage to build it for yourself.
These days, most Samsung devices cannot be rooted because they have bootloaders that cannot be unlocked. The only hope of rooting a Samsung device that has a locked bootloader that cannot be unlocked is to find an android app or PC program that has an exploit that your device is vulnerable to. But, these kinds of apps and programs have not been able to root devices since somewhere around the time that android Lollipop or Marshmallow was released, they are no longer able to root today's devices.
You may have to choose another device to experiment with. Preferably one that already has a custom recovery available for that specific model number or has known working root method for that specific model number.
What is your A01's specific model number? That is what will determine wgat is or isn't available for your device and what you can and can't do with it.
Thanks so much for the thorough responses, Droidriven. This has cleared everything up for me. The specific model number of my phone is SM-A015F/DS.
Dune_Rat said:
Thanks so much for the thorough responses, Droidriven. This has cleared everything up for me. The specific model number of my phone is SM-A015F/DS.
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Apparently, there is a version of TWRP for your model number, but, from what I've been reading, you need to be on android 11 in order to unlock your bootloader then install TWRP. Once you have TWRP installed, you can use it to create a nandroid backup by using the Backup option in TWRP. In your case, you probably want to backup absolutely everything that can be backed up, therefore, when you choose the Backup option in TWRP, on the next screen you'll see a list of partitions to backup, select the partitions you want to backup then initiate the backup by sliding the slider at the bottom. Then you'll have to find the correct tools to extract the data from the backup, it can be tricky because of the type of file that TWRP creates.
unofficial twrp 3.5.2 Root Samsung Galaxy A01 SM-A015F
Download unofficial twrp 3.5.2 Root Samsung Galaxy A01 SM-A015F, user who own Galaxy A01 can root it by following the below Instructions
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Awesome, this looks promising...I'll take a look at it. Thanks again for all the info, Droidriven, you've been a star.

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