Hi,
please please please have patient with with as i’m still on iphone waiting to sell it and buy android (after @5 years on apple ecosystem)
Before that, last android phone, i had note 3, rooted ...
My question is about having a degoogled phone with lineageos (im looking for pixel 4a to buy this one), without any google service instaled (not even aurora that, from what i understood, can be installed via fdroid and used to install play apps) and use no more google/facebook services (e.g whatsapp).
The question: can i download an apk file from google store via a laptop (e.g: revolut, or other banks apps) upload them to the phone and install them?
If this will work, will be privacy compromised?
Is this safer than installing via aurora?
Another question: lets say ill use k9 mail for my gmail account. Will help google target my phone in any way knowing at least my phone ip ?
Regards,
dallas87 said:
The question: can i download an apk file from google store via a laptop (e.g: revolut, or other banks apps) upload them to the phone and install them?
If this will work, will be privacy compromised?
Is this safer than installing via aurora?
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Android allows side-loading, where an APK from anywhere can be installed. It is up to you to make sure you aren't installing a bad app if you do this.
However, if you have completely de-googled your phone, expect trouble with apps. It is very common for apps to depend on Google services.
It is safer to use a store of some kind than to download from random web sites, unless you are going to verify certificates and such yourself.
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Another question: lets say ill use k9 mail for my gmail account. Will help google target my phone in any way knowing at least my phone ip ?
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I don't understand what you are concerned about. You will have to force Google to "lower your account security" if you use k9 because it doesn't support Google's oath authentication. But it will work. I used k9 for many years with my Gmail account. The worst that ever happened was when Google temporarily blocked logins due to my IP changing a bunch. That kind of thing is much less likely with an oauth login.
To be frank, having a Gmail account while being paranoid about Google stuff on your phone makes no sense to me. You can turn off or disable things on the phone if you don't want them on.
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To be frank, having a Gmail account while being paranoid about Google stuff on your phone makes no sense to me. You can turn off or disable things on the phone if you don't want them on.
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I'm agree with you. I'll create an email service for myself in the near future so I'll skip this only service that I'm using from google
Thank you
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I work in an IT department, and have the task to figure out how we control the 30 or so HTC legend and Desire's which will be handed out to our employees.
I would like to keep the phones as safe a passible, with centralized management so we can push apps to all phones, locate them, remote wipe and so on.
Problem 1: Does every employee need their own Google account? or can we use the same account on all phones?
it would take a long time creating them and keeping track of all the accounts.
Problem 2: how do we restrict them from installing apps themselves?
haven't found anything on this yet..
Problem 3: Is there any management software out there for android?
so far I am thinking about using Lookout for antivirus and locating lost phones, it does not support remote wipe for android,(it does for win mo). And using appbrain to push apps to all phones. will this work? or are there better solutions out there?
Why don't you guys go with BlackBerry instead? RIM has targetted their OS way more to these kind of business situations.
Anyway, if you have 1 google account for everyone. Everyone will have the same contacts, same calendar and same gmail e-mails.
The company is placed in Denmark, BlackBerry are not available to us, plus the phones have already been bought.
The Google accounts won’t be used for anything else than the market place. Mail, calendar is over exchange webmail.
Will the contacts be a problem?
Contacts won't be a problem if there are no contacts stored in it. Just gotta make sure nobody starts adding contacts in it. Or simply disable contact syncing all together, but you gotta do that on every phone.
I don't know about the other questions.
Ok, good. So no other problems with shared google accounts?
I would disagree with sharing one google account. There are many other aspects of the google account which are shared. Have you thought about cooking your own roms? You could remove the android market (and other apps) and make it more difficult to sideload apps.
I'd definitely suggest this route. Remove marketplace all together and sideload all of your necessary apps from apks.
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I would disagree with sharing one google account. There are many other aspects of the google account which are shared. Have you thought about cooking your own roms? You could remove the android market (and other apps) and make it more difficult to sideload apps.
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Check out the enterprise products offered by Good Technologies.
OldCrowEW said:
I would disagree with sharing one google account. There are many other aspects of the google account which are shared. Have you thought about cooking your own roms? You could remove the android market (and other apps) and make it more difficult to sideload apps.
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So it is best to have individual accounts for each and every one of the employees?
Don’t think cooking is an option for us, as it not will be allowed by our operator, with warranty and so on..
I will have a look at Good Technologies, on Monday. Does anyone have any experience with their products?
yes, def no sharing of the accounts. All it would take is one person to mess it up for everyone else. You could get Google Apps account for better management but they cost $$.
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yes, def no sharing of the accounts. All it would take is one person to mess it up for everyone else. You could get Google Apps account for better management but they cost $$.[/QUOTE
Google Apps most definitely. Its the only way for you to control 30 phones ---- if your working for a non-profit, then G-Apps is free. You control Google Apps, then you control the phones by natural subordination.
Any other way is going to weigh a heavy demand on your shoulders, big brother.
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Googe Apps
kingzion said:
I work in an IT department, and have the task to figure out how we control the 30 or so HTC legend and Desire's which will be handed out to our employees.
I would like to keep the phones as safe a passible, with centralized management so we can push apps to all phones, locate them, remote wipe and so on.
Problem 1: Does every employee need their own Google account? or can we use the same account on all phones?
it would take a long time creating them and keeping track of all the accounts.
Problem 2: how do we restrict them from installing apps themselves?
haven't found anything on this yet..
Problem 3: Is there any management software out there for android?
so far I am thinking about using Lookout for antivirus and locating lost phones, it does not support remote wipe for android,(it does for win mo). And using appbrain to push apps to all phones. will this work? or are there better solutions out there?
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Its true you need a Google account to set up your phones. However, have you thought about setting up your phones with a Google apps account?
Our company has become very "Google Friendly" as of late. We switched our email server out for a very flexible/scalable Google Apps account.
Instead of giving a gps, phone, and tablet to everyone. We found that all our needs were satisfied with giving everyone a Droid.
I am now in control of upwards 200 phones. All but a few are Android (Droids) all are set up under our Google Apps account. If you talk with your Service provider they should be able to set the phones up for you if you order yours in a bulk order at the same time. And yes everyone will need their own account, you would run into a huge mess if you were only using one account. (email, calender, contacts, and settings would all change with one person adding/subtracting something)
As for managing your users ability to download apps. You could do as suggested and remove the market place after you have installed your needed apps. Or you could limit your users to only downloading free apps. (if you set your phones up using Google Apps they cannot sync a google checkout account to their phone. (Is there a reason you don't want your users to download apps?)
Android 2.2 will give you your other request remote wipe, ease of deployment (exchange account sync), and better security.
If you go with Google you get a great community that will be able to help you out.
Free Apps that may help you out.
instamapper (tracking at its best)
wheresmydroid (turn on gps)
pdanet (internet tether)
barcode scanner
gps (mostly built in)
dropbox (file sharing)
It does take time to set up, but I think you would be very please with the transition.
kingzion said:
I work in an IT department, and have the task to figure out how we control the 30 or so HTC legend and Desire's which will be handed out to our employees.
I would like to keep the phones as safe a passible, with centralized management so we can push apps to all phones, locate them, remote wipe and so on.
Problem 1: Does every employee need their own Google account? or can we use the same account on all phones?
it would take a long time creating them and keeping track of all the accounts.
Problem 2: how do we restrict them from installing apps themselves?
haven't found anything on this yet..
Problem 3: Is there any management software out there for android?
so far I am thinking about using Lookout for antivirus and locating lost phones, it does not support remote wipe for android,(it does for win mo). And using appbrain to push apps to all phones. will this work? or are there better solutions out there?
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Hello,
Have you found any apps that fit your needs? Do you use them? If no, is your organization still interesting in mobile device management service?
I'm asking because I'm working for http://bloove.com (personal phone management service) and we're going to expand our offer to small and medium companies.
This new service will combine existing contact, sms, phone log and bookmark backup for personal phone with MDM features like centralized app management, location and wipe service etc.
We're looking for early adopters who will have a chance to add their custom requirements to the service and get this service for free for up to six months.
Please let me know if you're interested and want to discuss this further.
Thank you,
Rostislav
[email protected]
Got my Sensation today and found that I couldn't complete a search or even directly enter a web address without first signing on with a Google Account. What's up with that?
I have android 2.2 on another device and the search and web browser don't require a Google Account. Must Google record everything I do from my phone's browser? Is this a T-Mobile issue, a HTC issue or an Andorid issue?
Or do I just need to install another web browser app?
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Got my Sensation today and found that I couldn't complete a search or even directly enter a web address without first signing on with a Google Account. What's up with that?
I have android 2.2 on another device and the search and web browser don't require a Google Account. Must Google record everything I do from my phone's browser? Is this a T-Mobile issue, a HTC issue or an Andorid issue?
Or do I just need to install another web browser app?
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can't download apps from the market without a google account... it is a google phone after all. just sign up for one with a fake name or something its free
Right. I already have 3 Google Accounts. This is my first Android phone, but not my first Android device. Of course I understand I must "sign-in" when using the Market. One account was used for the Market, another for my G-Mail and a third one was tied to Youtube. I never had to use any of them for the web browser. I just wondered what started that. The other device is a WiFi tablet (not a phone) so I wonder if this is a phone thing. Do all Android Phones work this way?
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Right. I already have 3 Google Accounts. This is my first Android phone, but not my first Android device. Of course I understand I must "sign-in" when using the Market. One account was used for the Market, another for my G-Mail and a third one was tied to Youtube. I never had to use any of them for the web browser. I just wondered what started that. The other device is a WiFi tablet (not a phone) so I wonder if this is a phone thing. Do all Android Phones work this way?
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it doesn't ask you to sign in for the browser it asks if you want to save your search results to your gmail acct. it normally does this the first time you search for something on a new device. i don't think its a big deal so they aren't tracking you lol
We all know, Google Play Store offers us a unique (and quite user-friendly in my opinion) feature of installing an app from the browser of your computer. All we got to do is login to your PC's browser using your GMAIL account, access play.google.com/store, search for a the app there and click on Install.
Behind the scenes, Google somehow finds out the device which has the same Google account registered and the download gets started on this device!
I would like to know all that happens 'behind the scenes' and all the related APIs.
[Note: Tried to search for a similar question but couldn't find one. If there exists, please let me know the link to it]
Thanks in advance!
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We all know, Google Play Store offers us a unique (and quite user-friendly in my opinion) feature of installing an app from the browser of your computer. All we got to do is login to your PC's browser using your GMAIL account, access play.google.com/store, search for a the app there and click on Install.
Behind the scenes, Google somehow finds out the device which has the same Google account registered and the download gets started on this device!
I would like to know all that happens 'behind the scenes' and all the related APIs.
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Actually, on a computer, when you are logged in to Gmail account, and click Install on an app, Google installs it automatically on your phone.
This actually works because of the app so called "Google Play Services" (if you had noticed), which manually triggers Play Store to download that app.
As soon as your phone (connected to Play Store with same Gmail ID as on PC) is connected to internet, the app you wished to install would automatically install (which you had clicked "Install" on PC)
So this is how it works. Hope you get it
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Actually, on a computer, when you are logged in to Gmail account, and click Install on an app, Google installs it automatically on your phone.
This actually works because of the app so called "Google Play Services" (if you had noticed), which manually triggers Play Store to download that app.
As soon as your phone (connected to Play Store with same Gmail ID as on PC) is connected to internet, the app you wished to install would automatically install (which you had clicked "Install" on PC)
So this is how it works. Hope you get it
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Thanks! It does make sense! But I am looking for a more fine-grained answer. Let me put it in more detail:
1. I click on Install button on my computer. Now, in some way, Google needs to send across this info to my device (probably the package info app that needs to be installed).
2. Assuming that Google might be storing some kind of device id in their database, is it that there is some process in GPlayServices that is continuously pinging Google servers to find out whether there is any new app request registered? If yes, I would love to know the details of this process!
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Thanks! It does make sense! But I am looking for a more fine-grained answer. Let me put it in more detail:
1. I click on Install button on my computer. Now, in some way, Google needs to send across this info to my device (probably the package info app that needs to be installed).
2. Assuming that Google might be storing some kind of device id in their database, is it that there is some process in GPlayServices that is continuously pinging Google servers to find out whether there is any new app request registered? If yes, I would love to know the details of this process!
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I think it's more like a packet of data info that Google sends to Play Services in phone (if connected to network, else retry after set_frequency) to trigger execution, rather than continuously pinging for checking updates.
If you're so curious to know, here's the source list for Google Play Services API: https://developer.android.com/reference/gms-packages.html
If you quite know Java, you can understand the packages and classes in it and trace the way it does it
(I don't have the patience for this )
Thanks
I love many things about my new Galaxy s7 however the native mail app is NOT one of them... So I thought I would share the CyanogenMod built Email.apk and Exchange2.apk files I pulled from an older rooted phone as replacements. The CM email app is my favorite as it is simple and very fast for IMAP/POP accounts and supports auto push for IMAP unlike the AOSP version. These files are from CM 13 (Android 6 Marshmallow) and all credit for their packaging and development goes to that amazing community - beyond the AOSP provided base of course
To successfully install don't forget to first turn on "unknown sources" under Settings/Lockscreen and security. Exchange2.apk is only needed to connect to Exchange servers. All that is needed is to download and then click on from your file manager...
As a helpful side note you can disable the native email app with Package Disabler Pro (or similar) app.
Enjoy!
The email doesn't work.
Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
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The email doesn't work.
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Hmm... what about the email does not work? Did it not install? Did you get it installed and you weren't able to set up an account?
Assuming you have the option to allow apps outside of the Google Play Store to be installed set to yes in your settings...
Neat. It's a reskinned GMail app in every way.
Looks good. Thanks for this
My solution is similar. I sideload Exchange Services, and that lets me use Gmail as my Exchange account's client. I subscribe to the Exchange Service's PB channel so I know when updates hit.
http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google...s-6-4-123892212-release-android-apk-download/
I have disabled my built in app
Installed exchange services
But failed to install the email apk as I got a message that it will update my existing built in app and then fail
I have oppo r7 plus phone running color os
Any advise please
I froze all things Google and am running Google free. This was helpful forward that endeavor
are the EAS security settings disabled on the Exchange.apk?
What are the possible replacements for google services?
Aptoide/Yalp store as replacement for play store?
If it works, I guess installing youtube, maps, etc. from either store should work? Or not?
Or we can find alternative apps thatbwork like youtube, gmaps, etc. anyway
How about retrieving contacts saved in google account? Can i retrieve them using browser logged in my google account? How to import into phone?
Users of Apps/games that require google login like pubg should use alternative logins now. Will it work?
What are the all the requirements for degooglefied phone like nubia x?
Hi,
I'm using one phone like that, until some solution for the google services is found.
It's a bit uncomfortable, but it's working. In anther one post I have uploaded a picture how it looks like.
Here is the answers of your questions:
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Aptoide/Yalp store as replacement for play store?
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I'm downloading the applications from Google Play store, and then installing the apks manually.
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If it works, I guess installing youtube, maps, etc. from either store should work? Or not?
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YouTube app generally working, but closes when cant find the google services. Anyway I'm watching the videos from the browser.
Maps - you can install Chrome and then pin it to the home screen. Works like charm.
You can install Mesanger, WatsApp, Viber, Skype - they work.
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How about retrieving contacts saved in google account? Can i retrieve them using browser logged in my google account? How to import into phone?
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I have download a Microsoft launcher. It has Cortana as voice assistant. Then Outlook app, which can import all the contacts and from your accounts (o365, Google, Hotmail, yahoo etc.)
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sers of Apps/games that require google login like pubg should use alternative logins now. Will it work?
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With PUBG I had some issues installing it because except the apk has obb, may be I'll try later when I have some time. Fortnite is working like charm. Even with the back screen two additional buttons is like a cheat.
Things which I could not solve until now:
- Outlook cant import o365 mail hosted by GoDaddy.
- It seems that, a lot of applications rely on google services for the push notifications. If the app (let say Viber) is not running, you may not have popup notification on the lock screen. (If anyone knows how to solve that I'll be happy)
So, that's all. At the end you can live with the phone. I'm happy with it.
I hope that answers your question. If you have other questions - let me know
br_other said:
Hi,
I'm using one phone like that, until some solution for the google services is found.
It's a bit uncomfortable, but it's working. In anther one post I have uploaded a picture how it looks like.
Here is the answers of your questions:
I'm downloading the applications from Google Play store, and then installing the apks manually.
YouTube app generally working, but closes when cant find the google services. Anyway I'm watching the videos from the browser.
Maps - you can install Chrome and then pin it to the home screen. Works like charm.
You can install Mesanger, WatsApp, Viber, Skype - they work.
I have download a Microsoft launcher. It has Cortana as voice assistant. Then Outlook app, which can import all the contacts and from your accounts (o365, Google, Hotmail, yahoo etc.)
With PUBG I had some issues installing it because except the apk has obb, may be I'll try later when I have some time. Fortnite is working like charm. Even with the back screen two additional buttons is like a cheat.
Things which I could not solve until now:
- Outlook cant import o365 mail hosted by GoDaddy.
- It seems that, a lot of applications rely on google services for the push notifications. If the app (let say Viber) is not running, you may not have popup notification on the lock screen. (If anyone knows how to solve that I'll be happy)
So, that's all. At the end you can live with the phone. I'm happy with it.
I hope that answers your question. If you have other questions - let me know
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How about updating/syncing contacts? I mean after retrieving them and i added a new contact entry. How do i update/sync that contact into google?
And for photos? Do i have to manually backup to pc or cloud since there's no google photos and no google drive?
Any other concerns i might have forgotten?
Edit:
Link to this thread you mentioned?
I used aptoide - the only google apps that seems to work is Google Chrome Browser and gmaps. youtube did not work through aptoide as didn't all the other google apps i tried. I placed a youtube home page using the chrome broswer on the desktop. Whatsapp apk i downloaded from their official website and installed working fine. When I downloaded whatsapp through aptoide and the chinese market app it won't work and keeps saying date and time is not right even though it is - maybe because its not chinese date and time?
For Contacts i opened my pc with chrome broswer and downloaded the contacts VCARD which you can do and placed in root folder of Nubia X - picked all my contacts up - I'm not sure how to sync though to google accounts as you cant add a google account through the phone unless you root as per other posts.
Pretty silly how they just didn't let you install gapps without root - i buy a lot of chinese phones and its the standard now even if google isnt preinstalled - its been a long time since I've seen a phone that doesn't let you install gapps yourself if you want too even though they dont support it. I'm finding it hard to use the phone and it will probably end up in a drawer for a few months until the international rom is released with google. Its annoying, even switching the phone off the voice assistant starts in Chinese and i want to get rid of this.
I've deleted practically all the bloatware, yet can't get music player to detect music i placed in the music folder.
Should have done my reading before hand but oh well... I got it for less than £495 from geekbuying 128gb version but should have waited out for the international rom version
Most of my good apps I downloaded through the Amazon App Store which is also working so I have 3 markets on my phone at the moment.