Multiple eSIM providers possible? - Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra Questions & Answers

Dear all
I'd like to find out if it is possible to add multiple eSIM providers to the phone.
I often travel, so my question is: Can I add 4-5 providers?
And can I easily switch between them?
Can I have two eSIM active at the same time or only 1x normal SIM and 1x eSIM at the same time?
Thank you in advance!

Kenishi99 said:
Dear all
I'd like to find out if it is possible to add multiple eSIM providers to the phone.
I often travel, so my question is: Can I add 4-5 providers?
And can I easily switch between them?
Can I have two eSIM active at the same time or only 1x normal SIM and 1x eSIM at the same time?
Thank you in advance!
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Technically you should be able to add up to ten I believe esim profiles. Have you tried ? Go ahead and subscribe to a few of those app based esim providers and report back.

What esim programs? Also does your phone have to be eligible? I bought more directly from Samsung cuz that's the only way to get an early upgrade program. But for some reason those only come with 1 sim in the US
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I have looked in to this and here's the deal as I understand it:
- You can only ever have 1 X eSIM active at any given time.
- There is no limit (I don't believe) to the amount of eSIM profiles you can store on your device.

yungzoe0624 said:
What esim programs? Also does your phone have to be eligible? I bought more directly from Samsung cuz that's the only way to get an early upgrade program. But for some reason those only come with 1 sim in the US
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My post was in reference to non usa spec devices that support esim. If you have an american model it doesn't apply. As they don't have it available esim that is.

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LG Urbane 2nd Edition LTE. Help getting ATT version working on T-Mobile network

I managed to snag an Urbane 2nd edition LTE before they cancelled the launch and pulled them from stores. At this point they will have to pry it from my cold, dead hands if they want it back (unless it blows up on my wrist). I want to put this device on the T-Mobile network. Has anyone had luck getting it to work on the t-mobile network? If so, what steps did you take. I have a t-mo nano sim card with smartwatch service installed in the watch, but I am not getting t-mo service. I was on tech support with t-mo for two hours and they were unable to get it working. Any help would be appreciated.
Trouble provisioning
The issue isn't the watch itself but an issue with T-Mobile not being able to tell that it is an actual wearable. Too many people took advantage of the wearable plan on a regular phone so they had to lock it down to only tmobile branded devices. I have been using my iPad sim to get just data for the watch, which is really all I wanted anyway. Don't want to be that guy talking to people from his wrist.
Adding it as regular device?
Do you think I could add it as a regular phone and have it work? I would not get the $5 smartwatch plan, but it would only cost me $10. I can afford and extra 5 dollars a month if it works.
cpiddy said:
The issue isn't the watch itself but an issue with T-Mobile not being able to tell that it is an actual wearable. Too many people took advantage of the wearable plan on a regular phone so they had to lock it down to only tmobile branded devices. I have been using my iPad sim to get just data for the watch, which is really all I wanted anyway. Don't want to be that guy talking to people from his wrist.
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cpiddy said:
The issue isn't the watch itself but an issue with T-Mobile not being able to tell that it is an actual wearable. Too many people took advantage of the wearable plan on a regular phone so they had to lock it down to only tmobile branded devices. I have been using my iPad sim to get just data for the watch, which is really all I wanted anyway. Don't want to be that guy talking to people from his wrist.
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So the watch is NOT locked to ATT?? ATT told me it was...so I have not even tried to use on Tmo
aaronc_98 said:
So the watch is NOT locked to ATT?? ATT told me it was...so I have not even tried to use on Tmo
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No the watch is not locked to ATT. They wanted you to think that though
It's not locked. I am using it on Canadian Telus network
jaydoggy said:
I managed to snag an Urbane 2nd edition LTE before they cancelled the launch and pulled them from stores. At this point they will have to pry it from my cold, dead hands if they want it back (unless it blows up on my wrist). I want to put this device on the T-Mobile network. Has anyone had luck getting it to work on the t-mobile network? If so, what steps did you take. I have a t-mo nano sim card with smartwatch service installed in the watch, but I am not getting t-mo service. I was on tech support with t-mo for two hours and they were unable to get it working. Any help would be appreciated.
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Watch is not locked. Using it with a Truephone sim (Truephone uses ATT network). Works great.
You know there is a recall on this device right?
Not locked
I see some of you say is not locked.
Does that mean it's open to all carriers?
I live in Europe and I'm dying to get the watch, but as I could understand it was only working on 2 carriers in the States.
I've found some watches on eBay, and I'm kinda willing to pay what ever the price of it works over here in Europe.
Jarnfoss said:
I see some of you say is not locked.
Does that mean it's open to all carriers?
I live in Europe and I'm dying to get the watch, but as I could understand it was only working on 2 carriers in the States.
I've found some watches on eBay, and I'm kinda willing to pay what ever the price of it works over here in Europe.
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Yes, the ATT version (only one you will find on Ebay or anywhere) is not sim locked.
The Verizon (other carrier) version, which never ended up being sold after all, would probably not have a sim card slot, since Verizon is not a GSM carrier.
Bands ATT posted were: 850/1900 GSM (2G), 850/1900/2100 UMTS (3G) and 850/1900 LTE. I'll be able to test it in Europe soon and see if it has any unpublicized bands and thus may work over there. Will post findings in here.
I had mine up on Ebay, then changed my mind and decided to keep it for now. Even without a sim card in it, I can use its GPS and track my runs without a phone.
jaydoggy said:
Do you think I could add it as a regular phone and have it work? I would not get the $5 smartwatch plan, but it would only cost me $10. I can afford and extra 5 dollars a month if it works.
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@xendula did you ever try a phone plan with the watch? I'm having the same problem as in your OP, and am at the point of switching plans.
Otherwise, I may just switch providers...
gorillaz28 said:
@xendula did you ever try a phone plan with the watch? I'm having the same problem as in your OP, and am at the point of switching plans.
Otherwise, I may just switch providers...
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I believe if you add the watch as a phone, instead of a wearable, it does work on T-Mobile if that's what you're asking. I've had my AT&T version watch since last November and I'm using a Truphone SIM with no problems. I also used it while visiting family in France and had no problems there either.
Yes you can add it as a regular phone and it will work. I decided that I did not need to use it as a phone and decided to deactivate the SIM.
jaydoggy said:
Yes you can add it as a regular phone and it will work. I decided that I did not need to use it as a phone and decided to deactivate the SIM.
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jaydoggy is correct, I have an AT&T Urbane 2 on the T-Mobile network. I added it as an extra line (unlimited talk/text 2GB data for $10 per month).
There are some owners who have gotten the ATT Urbane 2 to work on T-Mobile with the $5 wearable program. It takes a call from a T-Mobile store Employee to their engineering support level. I tried at 2 local T-Mobile stores but each time the employee couldn't get the support engineer to code the LG watch as a Gear S2 which is supported by T-Mobile on wearable plans.
Try the $5 route, but know that it will work with the $10 add a phone line option.

Pixel 2 e-sim question

I'm looking to buy a new Pixel 2 XL when it comes out. Researching the handset I found that it uses a new SIM, e-sim. Originally I thought it was a smaller SIM, however it looks like it's now a tiny chip permanently on the phones board.
I thought that this would act as a normal SIM, just unable to remove it from phone. However before spending money on the phone I wanted to confirm it would work OK on my network.
I'm currently with Sky Mobile in the UK and I asked them if they will support the e-sim and they were pretty vague and unsure if they would support it. Called a second person and got the same non-committal answer.
Anyone here know if it will work?
Many thanks
Tim
it may come different internationally, in the US a lot of networks didn't use sims while the UK and the rest of the world that uses GSM always has, this is only changing in america now that 4G is common as it is a GSM standard so requires a sim.
so I wouldn't worry about it yet, Google still hasn't officially announced the phones and on nearly every phone the US and international versions are different as outside of the US we use a lot more bands.
so basically wait for the official announcement as it wouldn't be anywhere close to the first time a US phone has had no actual sim while the international version have and it seems more likely this is geared towards keeping the US away for actually needing to start using sims in every device since their networks are a lot more tied down.
the non committal answer is likely due to the fact the phone hasn't been announced so the likes of EE who will actually stock it won't be allowed to answer if they have been pre briefed, while the other networks who wont stock the phone likely wont have any information until after the phone is announced and they start asking google.
It just occurred to me that the esim is going to suck for traveling abroad
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My question is, if someone like me and a lot of others like to change phones often, how will we go about doing so?
Now we would just pop out our sim and put it in a different phone. How does the E-sim work? Once our numbers are on them I guess the nano/micro sims we have now are trash?
RoccoN4 said:
My question is, if someone like me and a lot of others like to change phones often, how will we go about doing so?
Now we would just pop out our sim and put it in a different phone. How does the E-sim work? Once our numbers are on them I guess the nano/micro sims we have now are trash?
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do you have a pixel xl, I guess if it was really important to you a pixel xl is still an amazing phone. I just got mine 2 months ago for around $500 on ebay brand new. Man it's such a sick phone. I really love it. Of course I want the new one but am really happy.
Hopefully the esim is just as easy to switch, would be nice if there was a tool where we could program it.
It will probably be like older CDMA phones. You will have to deactivate the phone and e-sim first before you can switch carriers. Once it is deactivated you will just have to give your carrier the IMEI and ICCID. Kind of a pain and you will lose your number due to deactivation unless you have a temporary phone to swap to but there should be no more missing sim card errors!
I had the regular Pixel. Sold it. Am playing with the Essential (it's not as bad as all these reviews). So I guess if I get the new Pixel 2 XL, I won't be able to swap sims back and forth?
Prediction: e-SIM won't be easy to switch, and older plans (e.g., Verizon grandfathered unlimited data plans) won't be permitted on the e-SIM as being "not compatible".
Just another means for carriers to take away control from end users. C'est la vie!
Definitely not keen on the idea of not being able to swap my sim from phone to phone. The few times I'd need to switch are usually emergency situations. I hope this rumor is wrong.
The idea of esim is still confusing for me, can anyone explain it to me?
Falitheman said:
The idea of esim is still confusing for me, can anyone explain it to me?
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You already have the answers you seek. http://bfy.tw/EEJb . I'm teaching you to fish.
zetsumeikuro said:
You already have the answers you seek. http://bfy.tw/EEJb . I'm teaching you to fish.
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Man, lmgtfy really stepped up their game. I haven't seen their results in probably a year or more. It used to be dripping with passive aggressiveness but now it's a deluge!
ok...let me ask another question: My 6P finally crapped out and Google is sending me a Pixel XL. I need to port my phone number to the Pixel. So does this mean a trip to the carrier ? ( TMO in my case )
eosaph said:
ok...let me ask another question: My 6P finally crapped out and Google is sending me a Pixel XL. I need to port my phone number to the Pixel. So does this mean a trip to the carrier ? ( TMO in my case )
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Nope, just use the SIM from the 6P.
eosaph said:
ok...let me ask another question: My 6P finally crapped out and Google is sending me a Pixel XL. I need to port my phone number to the Pixel. So does this mean a trip to the carrier ? ( TMO in my case )
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E-sim is not for the current Pixel....
galaxys said:
E-sim is not for the current Pixel....
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no one knows if its even for the next Pixel either
Falitheman said:
The idea of esim is still confusing for me, can anyone explain it to me?
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from my understanding the "SIM chip" is already in the phone and using serials and such I'm guessing there will be some black magic at the network end where they can push the SIM data to the chip on the phone, it may even end up like some of the older phones (more heard of it on the Apple side) where you actually have to go into the networks shop and have them activate the handset, either way I can see this being short lived as most of the world has used SIM cards since time began, so in these countries it will likely put a lot of people off if they have to keep dealing with the networks more so than they do now to get the network lock removed down the line.
Here in Germany you get a paper with a qr code. Just scan it and everything else happens automatically.
I hope everyone saw the announcement today, but if you haven't yet, the esim is for project Fi only. It will still have a sim tray for other carriers.
fiffan86 said:
I hope everyone saw the announcement today, but if you haven't yet, the esim is for project Fi only. It will still have a sim tray for other carriers.
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That's awesome. Man I just got my pixel XL like not even two months ago. They are pretty generous with the trade in offering $410. But I just can't figure out if it's worth it. Are allot of you guys moving from but first pixel XL to pixel XL 2

Pixel 3 bought from Verizon. No access to eSim?

On my Pixel 3 I cannot activate Project Fi. I assume it would automatically use eSim or give me the option to? However it does not. It has asks me to install a Sim.
I installed eSim switcher and have the option to add a carrier but I still cannot get it to work, just says cannot be activated try again later.
I would kind to know if there is a way to tell if my eSim has been disabled?
The Verizon models need to be activated on VZW for 24 hours before they become available to use on another carrier.
Nope, eSim is disabled.
When I was ready to order mine, I chatted at Google and I was told any pixel 3 bought from any of the sources (Google, Fi, best buy, Verizon) would be physically the same and would all allow for future Fi through esim. It took a bit of back and forth to explain that I didn't want to use it or activate it or start a fi account right away, but it should work the same.
gotcha640 said:
When I was ready to order mine, I chatted at Google and I was told any pixel 3 bought from any of the sources (Google, Fi, best buy, Verizon) would be physically the same and would all allow for future Fi through esim. It took a bit of back and forth to explain that I didn't want to use it or activate it or start a fi account right away, but it should work the same.
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Awesome! Thank you for posting this. I was hoping the capability is at least there.
Ughh.. I escalated this as far as I could within Verizon and from the person that handles the Verizon + Google relationship, eSim has been disabled on the Pixel 3 with no plans to enable it.
Would it be worth returning the Verizon one and buying an unlocked one?
gotcha640 said:
Would it be worth returning the Verizon one and buying an unlocked one?
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If you want to unlock the bootloader and root it soon it would be :good:
pragakhan said:
Ughh.. I escalated this as far as I could within Verizon and from the person that handles the Verizon + Google relationship, eSim has been disabled on the Pixel 3 with no plans to enable it.
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You are correct, you are going to need to either return it or use a Verizon sim and Fi Esim, although I'm not sure that will work at this point. That really sucks though. The reason it's eSim locked is that with it enabled you could take the device to any carrier immediately. They don't like that since you probably bought it on a deal like bogo or a payment plan over 24 months. If you bought it on a Verizon plan then they also want the early termination fee. There is a new revision of eSim that can lock the phone but it's on hold while the DOJ investigates. Personally, do yourself a favor and return it ASAP and perhaps take the hit on the return fee. You might be able to negotiate it down due to the eSim lock.
FYI, the Pixel 2 are eSim unlocked as well as the Apple Watch Series 3 but that's it for now. Let's see what happens when the gorilla comes into the game. Should be an interesting fight and I'm not sure Verizon can stand up to Apple for long.
I returned the device and ordered one from Google. Lesson learned, gave up my free stand and paying restocking fee lol
Glad I seen this thread, just canceled my Pixel 3 from Verizon and offered mine through Google. (Back Ordered)
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Vinny [emoji631]
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Does anyone know if the Verizon Pixel 3 is actually missing the eSIM chip, or is it just disabled through software. Actually I haven't seen any way to figure out if a particular Pixel 3 was from Google or Verizon ...
lightsedge said:
Does anyone know if the Verizon Pixel 3 is actually missing the eSIM chip, or is it just disabled through software. Actually I haven't seen any way to figure out if a particular Pixel 3 was from Google or Verizon ...
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Yes it has it and no it's not disabled thru software. It's just not enabled with Verizon network. Yet.
bobby janow said:
Yes it has it and no it's not disabled thru software. It's just not enabled with Verizon network. Yet.
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My friend was not able to sign up for Google Fi using eSIM though.
Also, I switched to a T-Mobile SIM, and I don't see an easy way to open the eSIM Manager app. Not sure if this is normal or not - i.e. it seems to have GUI according to the store page but the "Open" link does not appear for me, nor is it in the apps list. Also no mention of eSIM in Mobile Settings. I guess maybe my OS build is a Verizon version?
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My friend was not able to sign up for Google Fi using eSIM though.
Also, I switched to a T-Mobile SIM, and I don't see an easy way to open the eSIM Manager app. Not sure if this is normal or not - i.e. it seems to have GUI according to the store page but the "Open" link does not appear for me, nor is it in the apps list. Also no mention of eSIM in Mobile Settings. I guess maybe my OS build is a Verizon version?
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I don't believe it has anything to with a Verizon version of the software, especially considering there is no such thing. There is only on version that we all use.
TMobile app isn't ready yet. They are saying by the end of the year. There is a Reddit thread on how to do it now if you want.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/co...es_how_to_activate/?utm_source=reddit-android
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I don't believe it has anything to with a Verizon version of the software, especially considering there is no such thing. There is only on version that we all use.
TMobile app isn't ready yet. They are saying by the end of the year. There is a Reddit thread on how to do it now if you want.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/co...es_how_to_activate/?utm_source=reddit-android
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That's a great thread, very informative. I heard that on Dec 7th the iPhone XR and XS were to be Verizon eSim active but I've not confirmed that yet. They are fighting tooth and nail to keep the tech out of people's hands, even dropping secondary sims down to 2G. But Apple will put the hammer down and then it will roll out to us lowly Pixel people eventually.
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I don't believe it has anything to with a Verizon version of the software, especially considering there is no such thing. There is only on version that we all use.
TMobile app isn't ready yet. They are saying by the end of the year. There is a Reddit thread on how to do it now if you want.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/co...es_how_to_activate/?utm_source=reddit-android
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Nice thread, but there are accounts of Verizon disabling eSIM: https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/a4ispi/tmobile_us_esim_is_working_on_pixel_3xl/. The question is how?
I heard that Pixel 3 boxes from Google have ESIM ID printed. However, mine from Verizon has SIM ID, which matches the physical SIM card inside the phone. I actually don't know how to find the EID.
My Pixel 3 box that was purchased from direct from Google does have an ESIM ID number printed on the box.
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Nice thread, but there are accounts of Verizon disabling eSIM: https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/a4ispi/tmobile_us_esim_is_working_on_pixel_3xl/. The question is how?
I heard that Pixel 3 boxes from Google have ESIM ID printed. However, mine from Verizon has SIM ID, which matches the physical SIM card inside the phone. I actually don't know how to find the EID.
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Yeah I saw that but I don't believe it. They just haven't activated it yet I doubt they have purposely disabled it. It's live now for the iPhone but not yet for the Pixel 3. I might give them a call to find out when it will be activated but I don't have much hope in getting a csr that even knows what I'm talking about.
edit: nothing doing. They don't know when we'll have support on the 3s. I do wonder if someone took a vzw P3 / XL and could get the eSim activated on ATT or Fi.
Has anyone tried scanning the QR code generated on verizon's site? I generated the QR code on my Verizon account, but decided against scanning it for now... I'm traveling this week and can't afford to be down a phone. I didn't want it to disable my physical SIM and not active the eSIM, and somehow get stuck in limbo.

Activate eSIM with Verizon? (Google device)

I have a Pixel 3 from the Google Store that I want to activate on Verizon via eSIM. Currently, I have the physical SIM from Verizon in the phone. However, with international travel coming up, I want to free up the physical SIM for international SIMs.
Does anyone know if Verizon will do this? It seems their web guides all reference the iPhones as the only eSIM devices they register. I'd assume it's as simple as them just adding the EID/IMEI, device being irrelevant.
This guide from Reddit is the best thing I could find on any steps, and I still had a rep tell me that they can't do it because it's not an iPhone.
Revenge282 said:
I have a Pixel 3 from the Google Store that I want to activate on Verizon via eSIM. Currently, I have the physical SIM from Verizon in the phone. However, with international travel coming up, I want to free up the physical SIM for international SIMs.
Does anyone know if Verizon will do this? It seems their web guides all reference the iPhones as the only eSIM devices they register. I'd assume it's as simple as them just adding the EID/IMEI, device being irrelevant.
This guide from Reddit is the best thing I could find on any steps, and I still had a rep tell me that they can't do it because it's not an iPhone.
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Can't be done. Probably not until the P4 is released in October and even then maybe not. I think you would have an easier time getting the international one on the eSim since they are well ahead of us in that technology. The only other option is getting Fi on the eSim since they have a pretty good international plan. https://fi.google.com/about/international-rates/
Yes. Right now Verizon is only doing esim with iPhones.

Question att s22ultra and tmobile sim

Hello everyone I have a question i just oderded a s22 ultra from att I have a 3 year contract with them for device payments but basically the phone was free. I also have a tmobile acct i dont plan on canceling either. I have the magenta max on tmobile and an unlimited on att is it possible to use my phone on both networks with the phone being locked to att or am i able to change sims and use it as long as i keep both accts current. I am not trying to do anything shady just wondering if i can use it on both networks would much rather do that becuase it gives me so much more for hot spots since i can use the 50 from att and the 40 from tmobile i know i could if the phone was unlocked but i cant do that for three years
Thanks in advance
no, its locked to att networks (mvno will work too)
Thanks for the reply
i figured it would be locked but it would of been nice to be able to work on both. what is mvno?
I wonder if he could use the esim on TMobile?
rayhawk said:
Hello everyone I have a question i just oderded a s22 ultra from att I have a 3 year contract with them for device payments but basically the phone was free. I also have a tmobile acct i dont plan on canceling either. I have the magenta max on tmobile and an unlimited on att is it possible to use my phone on both networks with the phone being locked to att or am i able to change sims and use it as long as i keep both accts current. I am not trying to do anything shady just wondering if i can use it on both networks would much rather do that becuase it gives me so much more for hot spots since i can use the 50 from att and the 40 from tmobile i know i could if the phone was unlocked but i cant do that for three years
Thanks in advance
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All of the US models support dual SIM (physical SIM plus eSIM). You should be able to use the physical SIM for one network, and the eSIM for the other. AT&T will most likely be the primary (physical SIM) and T-Mobile the secondar (E-SIM). Once you get it activated on AT&T go into Settings -> Connections -> SIM card manager.
From there it will allow you to "Add mobile plan" for the eSIM. That should allow you to active your T-Mobile account.
I don't know how that works in practice and you may have to talk to both AT&T and T-Mobile to work it out.
oh wow that is awesome thanks for letting me know
this is off the topic but are any of you using screen and camera protectors on top of using a case?
You need to get the device unlocked to have it work on T-Mobile at all, ESIM or physical. You have 2 choices: Pay off the device in full and then request a SIM unlock, or pay for an unlock service on Ebay. AT&T won't do **** for you until the device is paid in full.
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this is off the topic but are any of you using screen and camera protectors on top of using a case?
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Nope.
entropism said:
You need to get the device unlocked to have it work on T-Mobile at all, ESIM or physical. You have 2 choices: Pay off the device in full and then request a SIM unlock, or pay for an unlock service on Ebay. AT&T won't do **** for you until the device is paid in full.
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Yes. AT&T will require it to be paid off to unlock the physical SIM. The eSIM isn't activated and therefore probably isn't locked. As long as he's using it on its network with the physical SIM, I don't think AT&T will care about the eSIM being used on T-mobile.
This is kinda new territory with phones being produced with both physical SIM and eSIM.
I can tell you with 100% certainty, it's locked.
entropism said:
You need to get the device unlocked to have it work on T-Mobile at all, ESIM or physical. You have 2 choices: Pay off the device in full and then request a SIM unlock, or pay for an unlock service on Ebay. AT&T won't do **** for you until the device is paid in full.
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Not true. AT&T unlocked my Note 20 ultra that was still under contract. I told them I was going overseas for an extended period of time and they unlocked my phone. I had 13 payments left.

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