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Here is some information that should be useful to everyone in one way or another if not then you should have told us your secret months ago. lol
A Li-ion batteries life is on a time clock from the day it's produced and how it is used, maintained and the number of cycles it goes through reduces it's life. Even when not being used at all the clock is ticking and life is shortening.
So if any of you are like me I know many of you are far worse than me when it comes to the amount of stress put through it with flashing and extreme general use. Hopefully this will shed some light for us as to what we can do to try and prolong the life of our batteries.
The majority of the following information is from the book “Batteries in a Portable World – A Handbook on Rechargeable Batteries for Non-Engineers” (2nd edition) and Battery University™
Special thanks to the books author and sponsor of Battery University™,
Isidor Buchmann
CEO and Founder, Cadex Electronics Inc.
How to Prolong the Life of Li-ion Batteries
Battery wear-down on lithium-based batteries is caused by two activities: actual usage or cycling, and aging. The wear-down effects by usage and aging apply to all batteries but this is more pronounced on lithium-based systems.
The Li-ion batteries prefer a shallow discharge. Partial discharges produce less wear than a full discharge and the capacity loss per cycle is reduced. A periodic full discharge is not required because the lithium-based battery has no memory. A full cycle constitutes a discharge to 3V/cell. When specifying the number of cycles a lithium-based battery can endure, manufacturers commonly use an 80 percent depth of discharge. This method resembles a reasonably accurate field simulation. It also achieves a higher cycle count than doing full discharges.
Simple Guidelines
Charge the Li-ion often, except before a long storage. Avoid repeated deep discharges.
Keep the Li-ion battery cool. Prevent storage in a hot car. Never freeze a battery.
Avoid purchasing spare Li-ion batteries for later use. Observe manufacturing date when purchasing. Do not buy old stock, even if sold at clearance prices.
Hints to long battery life
3.92V/cell is the best upper voltage threshold for cobalt-based lithium-ion. Charging batteries to this voltage level has been shown to double cycle life. Lithium-ion systems for defense applications make use of the lower voltage threshold. The negative is reduced capacity.
The charge current of Li-ion should be moderate (0.5C for cobalt-based lithium-ion).The lower charge current reduces the time in which the cell resides at 4.20V. It should be noted that a 0.5C charge only adds marginally to the charge time over 1C because the topping charge will be shorter. A high current charge tends to push the voltage up and forces it into the voltage limit prematurely.
Memory Myth or Fact?
Lithium batteries are not affected by memory, but the chemistry has its own peculiarities. Current inhibiting pacifier layers affect them through plate oxidation. This degenerative effect is non-correctable on a lithium-based system
Calibration
A more serious issue is maintenance requirements, better known as capacity re-learning. This procedure is needed on a regular basis to calibrate the battery.
Why is calibration needed?
The answer is in correcting the tracking errors that occur between the battery and the digital sensing circuit during use. The most ideal battery use, as far as fuel-gauge accuracy is concerned, is a full charge followed by a full discharge at a constant 1C rate. This ensures that the tracking error is less than one percent per cycle. However, a battery may be discharged for only a few minutes at a time and commonly at a lower C-rate than 1C. Worst of all, the load may be uneven and vary drastically. Eventually, the true capacity of the battery no longer synchronizes with the fuel gauge and "a full charge and discharge are needed to ‘re-learn’ or calibrate the battery."
How often is calibration needed?
The answer lies in the type of battery application. For practical purposes, a calibration is recommended once every three months or after every 40 short cycles.
What happens if the battery is not calibrated regularly? Can such a battery be used in confidence?
Such a battery is able to function normally, but the digital readout will be inaccurate. If not corrected, the fuel gauge information simply becomes a nuisance.
Just Tell Me WTF I Should Do!
Charge your battery as often as possible, partial discharges are actually better for your battery
Once your battery is charged to 100% avoid leaving it plugged in any longer if you are not using a OEM charger.
Your battery should never get hot from charging if it does this is a sign it may be damaged.
If fuel gauge starts acting up calibrate your battery.
Yeah but how the f^$% do I calibrate my battery?
Charge phone up and then delete your battery stats.
Unplug your phone from your wall charger and let your battery drain all the way down until phone shuts off.
While still off charge phone to 100% and then boot up as normal.
There is so much more that it's mind boggling but I think this covers the main parts and beyond for everyone. So far it appears that the bump method is not necessary nor are the numerous other steps.
I can only laugh when I think that the reason the method of calibration I was using was actually working is due to the fact that the "wipe batt stats, drain battery completely and charge to 100%" is basically the last step and all that is essentially needed.
3 hours? That's it? I thought whenever I charged from empty to full when it's off it's longer.. I should time it.. hmm
darkamikaze said:
3 hours? That's it? I thought whenever I charged from empty to full when it's off it's longer.. I should time it.. hmm
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I removed the time completely since some may vary. But the 3 hours is how long it should take to charge on a standalone battery charger. So rather than confuse or have questions it's better without it.
Nice work!
Charging a 1500mAh battery at 500mAh for example will take 3 hours. The Captivate charges at 2 levels though depending on if it's USB (500mAh max for charge + phone use) or a charger (whatever it says on the charger up to ~1200mAh) so it can probably get done in under 2 hours.
The phone charges to 4.23V and stops charging when full but continues to run on external power, and shuts down at 3.500V where it only consumes current to monitor the power button.
Just for reference.
Battery Stats
Since this is the first time i had a really good battery life. I would like to share it with everyone. Please see the attached screen shots.
I am using Darky's 9.1 with SuckerPunch's 1280/500 Kernel and TLJL3 modem.
I hope this will help anyone trying to get more battery life out of their Captivate.
Thanks,
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Nice work!
Charging a 1500mAh battery at 500mAh for example will take 3 hours. The Captivate charges at 2 levels though depending on if it's USB (500mAh max for charge + phone use) or a charger (whatever it says on the charger up to ~1200mAh) so it can probably get done in under 2 hours.
The phone charges to 4.23V and stops charging when full but continues to run on external power, and shuts down at 3.500V where it only consumes current to monitor the power button.
Just for reference.
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Thanks Curious appreciate it and thanks for the additional info.
I had some other random thoughts about the calibration because I keep seeing so many posts daily.
For example "I installed a new kernel 15 minutes ago, recalibrated and the battery drain is horrible." or "After a few charges it lasted longer."
I don't think people get the idea of calibration. Recalibrating determines the capacity of the battery to convert to a % full gauge. To do that you need to fully charge until the "Battery full. Unplug charger." notification, and not rely on the display and unplugging as soon as it hits 100%. That's the inaccurate display that you're trying to calibrate.
Think of it like having an opaque container and a teaspoon. You think the container can hold 100 teaspoons, so you stop filling at 100. All you can get out of it is 100 until you try to fill until it tops off and then count how many come back out.
The phone works the same way. It has an ammeter that monitors the charge current and drain current from the battery from the time you unplug it until it shuts off and remembers that total as the capacity. Unless it's recharged in the middle which voids the data.
After that full discharge, it should stay pretty accurate even with partial discharges. At least until the next rom/kernel flash which wipes it out. At that point (I assume) it uses a simple voltage level and some relative amps drawn to display the gauge, instead of the smarter method of keeping a constant value of mAh by adding when charging and subtracting when draining to know exaclty how full the battery is.
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Nice work!
Charging a 1500mAh battery at 500mAh for example will take 3 hours. The Captivate charges at 2 levels though depending on if it's USB (500mAh max for charge + phone use) or a charger (whatever it says on the charger up to ~1200mAh) so it can probably get done in under 2 hours.
The phone charges to 4.23V and stops charging when full but continues to run on external power, and shuts down at 3.500V where it only consumes current to monitor the power button.
Just for reference.
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hm. so if the phone switches to external power when the charge is full, is it okay to leave my phone plugged in once it's done charging? or is it just the fact that the battery is holding a full (4.2V) charge for a long time that's bad for its health?
in any case, useful post! i knew there were ways to preserve the life of li-ion batteries, but was never well-versed on the details.
Yes to both. Once the battery is fully charged, the charge circuit stops completely. It doesn't even need to trickle charge, so leaving it plugged in doesn't hurt anything.
Once the charge is complete the voltage isn't being held at 4.20V so it can come back down a little. I think BatteryUniversity generalizes becuase there have been many different designs over the years that weren't as good as what we have now, and some may have trickle charged their Li-Ions which shortens the life.
Which is it that wipes the battery stats, ROM or kernel? or is it both?
CuriousTech said:
Yes to both. Once the battery is fully charged, the charge circuit stops completely. It doesn't even need to trickle charge, so leaving it plugged in doesn't hurt anything.
Once the charge is complete the voltage isn't being held at 4.20V so it can come back down a little. I think BatteryUniversity generalizes becuase there have been many different designs over the years that weren't as good as what we have now, and some may have trickle charged their Li-Ions which shortens the life.
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One word of caution though is to ensure that you are using an OEM charger. Battery University recommends that you unplug once capacity is reached but perhaps this is a general statement for Li-ion batteries as you state.
zerkai said:
Which is it that wipes the battery stats, ROM or kernel? or is it both?
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Both. The first thing in a ROM flash script is to format all the partitions, so that means the batterstats.bin file is erased. When flashing a new kernel the file gets reset by some other means. No idea what. It could be CWM.
Yeah but how the f^$% do I calibrate my battery?
Charge phone up and then delete your battery stats.
Unplug your phone from your wall charger and let your battery drain all the way down until phone shuts off.
While still off charge phone to 100% and then boot up as normal.
My noob question is, how do you delete the battery stats?
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One word of caution though is to ensure that you are using an OEM charger. Battery University recommends that you unplug once capacity is reached but perhaps this is a general statement for Li-ion batteries as you state.
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What happens when you introduce the variable of occasional car charger use?
Sanctus Peregrinus said:
Yeah but how the f^$% do I calibrate my battery?
Charge phone up and then delete your battery stats.
Unplug your phone from your wall charger and let your battery drain all the way down until phone shuts off.
While still off charge phone to 100% and then boot up as normal.
My noob question is, how do you delete the battery stats?
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the file is located at /data/system/batterystats.bin . you'll need a file browser with root access (i use root explorer, a paid app). make sure you mount the storage as read/write or you won't be able to delete the file.
after that, reboot your phone and it will rebuild the batterystats file.
***disclaimer: be careful doing this. if you delete a crucial file, you risk messing up or bricking your phone. such is life.
Nice write up with alot of interesting information. I have never calibrated my battery but will have to try it out. Thanks for posting.
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I'm not positive of this, but I don't think batterystats.bin holds any battery capacity or health info. I was looking at BatteryManager and it looks like a database of processes and what they use only. But there is info somewhere that gets lost easily, which is the capacity and current amount consumed.
I've been skipping the delete of that file (using CWM) and have noticed that it recalibrates fine anyway. This coming from the point of dropping just after unplugging, which is a good indication that the info is gone.
It doesn't matter if you use a car charger, USB, or AC. The phone has the actual smart charger in it, the external connection is just the power supply. The chip inside regulates and monitors the charge.
So think of it this way. The charger knows when the battery is empty or full, and measures what goes in and comes out. So to know the capacity, it has to go from full to empty. That's really all there is to it. Just wait for the real "Battery full" before unplugging.
Hey, I just got my nexus 5 today and have been using it for a couple hours. I've always been told to dicharge new phones to about 10% and then fully charge them for 8-10 hours straight, but I'm starting to think that it only apply for old battery models. Do you think I can charge it for maybe 2 hours and then use it without damaging the battery life potential, or is it better do do full discharge/charge? Thanks.
I think you answered your own question. No need to completely charge
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Whoever told you that was wrong, even many years ago.
These are lithium batteries, they have no memory.
I'll copy-pasta one of my very long posts on this I made a while back:
1. Charging is what reduces the life of a lithium ion/polymer battery. Batteries are usually rated between 700-1000 charge cycles while keeping 90% of their capacity.
2. Charging 0-100% counts as one cycle. Charging 80-100% 5 times counts as one cycle.
3. Leaving your phone on the charger after it is charged has the potential to reduce battery life, although this is less of a problem with newer devices as they often disconnect the charging circuit until the battery drops below ~95%. Generally only an issue if you leave it on the charger for 24+ hours.
4. Lithium batteries do not require any conditioning.
5. Most lithium devices arrive with ~40-50% battery life remaining, because this is the optimal charge level to store a lithium battery for long periods (such as sitting on a store shelf for months).
6. Slower charging maintains the battery's overall lifetime capacity better than fast charging. This is likely why the HTC One does not have Qualcomm's Quick Charge enabled. It's debateable whether you'd notice the effects over the typical lifetime of a smartphone, however (2 years).
7. Not exactly related to lithium but just in general: smartphones (and tablets, etc) have charging circuits that only draw a certain amount of amps regardless of the number of amps the charger provides. Using a 3.1 amp (tablet-level) charger is not going to significantly increase the speed at which your phone charges. Most phones only use between 0.8 - 1.2 amps. Anything over that is overkill.
8. Storing a lithium battery at 0% is really bad for its lifetime capacity. Running it to 0% generally isn't recommended all the time, but a few instances won't hurt it.
9. Recharging from 0-100 doesn't make your battery run longer. It can, however, reset Android's battery level stats so that it can more accurately state the battery level.
10. Charging from ~95% to 100% takes a long time because it must do a trickle charge. Maxing out the battery like this can reduce overall lifetime capacity, but generally not enough to matter. You'll see this impact more often in larger applications of lithium batteries (like cars).
11. Heat is the #1 killer of lithium battery capacity. The chargers are designed to regulate the heat of the battery to keep them from getting too hot for two reasons: explosions and reduced capacity. The former is obvious, but the latter isn't as much. If the battery is constantly running in a hot environment, especially when charging, it will kill the battery much faster than anything else listed here.
Alright, thank you very much.
I apologize in advance if it's was already asked
So i'm wondering how it works. Does it use warp charge till it reach 100% or it goes normal like at 50 or 70%?
I noticed it's slow 90 to 100 whereas i see warp charge logo
I'm on havoc so idk if it's the same, but havoc shows the output, from what I can see its between 5-6amps until 50% and slowly tapers down from there to 1 amp between 90-100%
*Warp
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CodeBreaker13 said:
I apologize in advance if it's was already asked
So i'm wondering how it works. Does it use warp charge till it reach 100% or it goes normal like at 50 or 70%?
I noticed it's slow 90 to 100 whereas i see warp charge logo
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Never charge to 100%, it shortens the battery lifespan a lot. It's best to use it on 20-80 charge range.
After 80% the charging speed slows down like any other phone.
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The about 20/80 has also worked out well for me on all my devices...
Hank87 said:
Never charge to 100%, it shortens the battery lifespan a lot. It's best to use it on 20-80 charge range.
After 80% the charging speed slows down like any other phone.
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This is a fallacy. I charge my phone to 100% everytime and after a years time my battery still has 93-96% capacity. The damage is done if you let it discharge below 10 or 15%. Lithium ion batteries looked to be charged more frequently and when the battery is above 75%. The higher the battery percentage the more charge cycles it will have.
Thanks for the lifespan tip. Didn't know about it
Eric214 said:
This is a fallacy. I charge my phone to 100% everytime and after a years time my battery still has 93-96% capacity. The damage is done if you let it discharge below 10 or 15%. Lithium ion batteries looked to be charged more frequently and when the battery is above 75%. The higher the battery percentage the more charge cycles it will have.
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I didn't understand the last part of your post, if you charge till 80% you'll use very little charge cycle. The most of the battery wear is done on the last 20% charging. Even if you store a li-ion battery at 100% it get damaged very quickly.
They like to be charged often and stay on 40-50% average charge level. If you do that the battery is going to last 3+ years.
If you charge overnight to 100% and top up every time you'll need to replace the battery in less than 1 year.
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Hank87 said:
I didn't understand the last part of your post, if you charge till 80% you'll use very little charge cycle. The most of the battery wear is done on the last 20% charging. Even if you store a li-ion battery at 100% it get damaged very quickly.
They like to be charged often and stay on 40-50% average charge level. If you do that the battery is going to last 3+ years.
If you charge overnight to 100% and top up every time you'll need to replace the battery in less than 1 year.
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This is not the case. Charging the phone more then 20 or 25% or more results in more charge cycles. Look up BatteryUniversity.com and it will explain it to you. The damage above 80% is done if the charging per doesn't reduce and you charge to quickly from 80-100%. This is why the battery reduces charging speed after 80% down to a trickle charger from 95% to 100%. This is built into the charging tech so there is no battery damage charging your phone to 100%.
I charge my phone to 100% everyday and something twice in a day and never have battery issues or reduced battery capacity. My phone lasts as well after 1 year as from the day it's purchased.
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This is not the case. Charging the phone more then 20 or 25% or more results in more charge cycles. Look up BatteryUniversity.com and it will explain it to you. The damage above 80% is done if the charging per doesn't reduce and you charge to quickly from 80-100%. This is why the battery reduces charging speed after 80% down to a trickle charger from 95% to 100%. This is built into the charging tech so there is no battery damage charging your phone to 100%.
I charge my phone to 100% everyday and something twice in a day and never have battery issues or reduced battery capacity. My phone lasts as well after 1 year as from the day it's purchased.
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https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Read carefully, it says exactly what I'm telling you.
I'll attach a screenshot of the website that you suggested, it's shows what I'm saying that if you charge to 80% instead of 100% you get three times more battery cycles of lifespan (850-1500 vs 350-500).
Also the second screenshot shows that if the battery stays at 100% it degrades much faster (only 80% capacity after one year vs 96% capacity if stored at 40%).
https://photos.app.goo.gl/uPH5UXBTbHiEgjRQ6
https://photos.app.goo.gl/FLsT3gTEHuq6KwU77
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And if you charge routinely from 75% or higher, you can achieve up to 1200 cycles for lithium ion batteries. I'll do my way as I don't lose battery capacity after a years time. This is info from battery University. Been doing this for years (since the note 3). Again I'll say, it's not charging to 100% it's if your charge to quickly from 80% to 100% it's what's bad for the battery.
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If you read what you posted it's the temperature During the charging that reduces the charge cycles. There is no heat in a OnePlus phone with Warp or Dash charging. Depth of discharge also increases cycles if you charge when the battery had more charge. For example... Charging at 25% or less gives 250-300 charge cycles, 25-50% gives 350-500 cycles, 50-75% 600-900 cycles and above 75% up to 1200 cycles. I'll continue to follow that by battery University and continue to have a battery that doesn't lose capacity
Eric214 said:
And if you charge routinely from 75% or higher, you can achieve up to 1200 cycles for lithium ion batteries. I'll do my way as I don't lose battery capacity after a years time. This is info from battery University. Been doing this for years (since the note 3). Again I'll say, it's not charging to 100% it's if your charge to quickly from 80% to 100% it's what's bad for the battery.
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If you read what you posted it's the temperature During the charging that reduces the charge cycles. There is no heat in a OnePlus phone with Warp or Dash charging. Depth of discharge also increases cycles if you charge when the battery had more charge. For example... Charging at 25% or less gives 250-300 charge cycles, 25-50% gives 350-500 cycles, 50-75% 600-900 cycles and above 75% up to 1200 cycles. I'll continue to follow that by battery University and continue to have a battery that doesn't lose capacity
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I'm not going to convince you but I don't like the pread of disinformation.
If you read the graph in the picture it show that what damages the battery is both from high temperature and high charge level. Just look at 25 degree row:
40% charge - >96% capacity after 1 year
100% charge - >80% capacity after 1 year
Things are even worse at 40 degree: 85% capacity vs 65% so 20% extra battery capacity lost.
Remember that when the battery capacity is at 80% means the battery is gone because it cannot cope with the ampere under load and the phone will shut down. This after 1 year without taking consideration of the extra damage while charging to 100%.
Now I'll copy and paste that part from the website:
Most Li-ions charge to 4.20V/cell, and every reduction in peak charge voltage of 0.10V/cell is said to double the cycle life. For example, a lithium-ion cell charged to 4.20V/cell typically delivers 300–500 cycles. If charged to only 4.10V/cell, the life can be prolonged to 600–1,000 cycles; 4.0V/cell should deliver 1,200–2,000 and 3.90V/cell should provide 2,400–4,000 cycles.
4.20v is 100% charge
4v is 70-75% charge
Be careful that's tge voltage of the cell, not the charging voltage.
I agree with you that slow charging makes less damage but still charging from 75% to 100% makes hugely more damage to the battery than charging from 20% to 80%.
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Hank87 said:
I'm not going to convince you but I don't like the pread of disinformation.
If you read the graph in the picture it show that what damages the battery is both from high temperature and high charge level. Just look at 25 degree row:
40% charge - >96% capacity after 1 year
100% charge - >80% capacity after 1 year
Things are even worse at 40 degree: 85% capacity vs 65% so 20% extra battery capacity lost.
Remember that when the battery capacity is at 80% means the battery is gone because it cannot cope with the ampere under load and the phone will shut down. This after 1 year without taking consideration of the extra damage while charging to 100%.
Now I'll copy and paste that part from the website:
Most Li-ions charge to 4.20V/cell, and every reduction in peak charge voltage of 0.10V/cell is said to double the cycle life. For example, a lithium-ion cell charged to 4.20V/cell typically delivers 300–500 cycles. If charged to only 4.10V/cell, the life can be prolonged to 600–1,000 cycles; 4.0V/cell should deliver 1,200–2,000 and 3.90V/cell should provide 2,400–4,000 cycles.
4.20v is 100% charge
4v is 70-75% charge
Be careful that's tge voltage of the cell, not the charging voltage.
I agree with you that slow charging makes less damage but still charging from 75% to 100% makes hugely more damage to the battery than charging from 20% to 80%.
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Yeah I can say the same about disinformation which is what I said to you to begin with. My op6 which I bought and had since launch still gives me 9-11 hours is screen on time today like it did on day one. That phone like all the rest of my phone is charged to 100% every day, normally from about 70% or higher remaining battery when put on charge. Using a few different apps my battery capacity still shoes 95% capacity.
Again, charging to 100% and damaging your battery is a fallacy. Charging to 80% is fine but your depth of discharge is greater putting more stress on a lithium ion battery.
Eric214 said:
Yeah I can say the same about disinformation which is what I said to you to begin with. My op6 which I bought and had since launch still gives me 9-11 hours is screen on time today like it did on day one. That phone like all the rest of my phone is charged to 100% every day, normally from about 70% or higher remaining battery when put on charge. Using a few different apps my battery capacity still shoes 95% capacity.
Again, charging to 100% and damaging your battery is a fallacy. Charging to 80% is fine but your depth of discharge is greater putting more stress on a lithium ion battery.
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That's is from lab test made from scientist, so I trust it.
Also no one tells you that you need to wait 20% to charge, you can do 40 to 60 or 30 to 50 but i can assure you that I've got a phone a xiaomi mi 5s 3 years old same battery charging 20% to 80% and is still usable, I'm using it as a second phone.
My previous phone was a galaxy note, I was charging it overnight and charging it to 100% often through the day, i replaced the battery three times in two years.
Thats my experience.
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So guys what you recommend for charging pattern for best battery health ? I'm rly lost from what u said...
Me I charge my phone every night with very small charger I think it's 1amper maybe lower.
I never let it under 25-20 % and always charge it full with zero heat and takes long time to charge because of the charger.
If I wake up to go toilet and night and it's charged I removed it and that's it..
The Power of Oneplus 7 Pro be with you
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So guys what you recommend for charging pattern for best battery health ? I'm rly lost from what u said...
Me I charge my phone every night with very small charger I think it's 1amper maybe lower.
I never let it under 25-20 % and always charge it full with zero heat and takes long time to charge because of the charger.
If I wake up to go toilet and night and it's charged I removed it and that's it..
The Power of Oneplus 7 Pro be with you
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The best charging pattern is to always keep the battery near 50% and do frequent charges through the day.
Don't charge overnight, leave the battery at around 50% when you go to sleep.
At the morning, when you wake up plug in the warp charger so you can charge to 80% before going to work.
Charge over 80% only in special circumstances when you need long battery life.
Try to never go below 20%.
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johnnyman25 said:
So guys what you recommend for charging pattern for best battery health ? I'm rly lost from what u said...
Me I charge my phone every night with very small charger I think it's 1amper maybe lower.
I never let it under 25-20 % and always charge it full with zero heat and takes long time to charge because of the charger.
If I wake up to go toilet and night and it's charged I removed it and that's it..
The Power of Oneplus 7 Pro be with you
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I recommend you to plug your phone 1h before sleep and charge it fully or do it in the morning. You may increase your battery life with all that slower charging, up to 80% etc but really? Is it worth to resign from that cool Warp charging feature just for extending your battery lifespan and you won't even know how much it will extend? And you can even exchange the battery at authorised center for about 20 bucks.
I thought the myth about leaving the phone charging overnight breaks stuff was explained away already. There's stuff that runs in the background that improves the usability of the phone and decreases battery drain.
Read this monster post for full info. Not so much looking after the battery but system optimization. Warning. It's a big read. I've been leaving my phone charging overnight for years. I still have a OP5 that's being used daily and still gets fairly impressive SOT. Other thing is, "we" tend to change our phones quite often. SO I just don't worry about it too much and use the phone the way I want to use it.
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/charging-battery-performance-caches-and-battery-calibration-myths-busted.993896/
Hi Guys,
What is the best practice to charge our Note 20 to maintain good battery life?
I checked my charge cycle and it shows its 8 so far but I only have the phone for a few days now. And I guess 8 is not good as it says on Internet the battery life cycle is 400-500 charge cycles. So I want to avoid battery damage.
With this in mind:
1. Do we need to wait for phone to completely shut down because of battery and then recharge? Or its not good for the battery?
2. If the answer to previous question is "no" then when exactly we need to charge the battery to maintain good battery health? If, for example, the phone is on 30% and we recharge, how is it different from phone being on 80% and we recharge battery life-wise? And how this affects charge cycle and health?
3. Can we charge the phone as often as we want despite the battery level?
4. Can we leave the phone charged at all times (100%)
Just want to make sure I am using the most efficient method. Don't want my battery to die in a few months time.
Thanks!
Just change it whenever you want. No matter how you take care of the battery. With today's battery technology, you need a replacement after 2 years.
Best practice is never run your phone or any battery powered device past 25%. I know it's easy to do since we are on our device pretty much all day. Reason for this is because when charging the battery it needs to have resistance to charge correctly. Less resistance the less charge is given there for weakening the battery life and quality. I charge mine every night no matter what. Ive been doing this with all my Samsung phones and never had any issues. And last its OK to run the ballery down once a month to clean out old or bad charge voltage left behind.
Best to charge between 30-80%
Li's love small frequent charges ie 40 to 65%
As the cell voltage climbs so does the damage; try to avoid going above 80%.
Charging battery below 80° F can cause LI plating which permanently degrades the cell; try to avoid. Never charge when below freezing.
Try to avoid going over 100° F
High temperatures and battery voltage cause the most damage.
Between 5-20% has the lowest power density of the voltage curve, try to avoid using that range.
If discharged to 5%, recharge within a few days. If the cell voltage drops too low it will be useless. Generally this would take 2 months or more but don't chance it.
Use the 25 watt brick to charge, enable fast charging.
So I bought POCO X3 Pro earlier this month...So I play games on it mainly and the question is which kind of charging habit is better?
1.Frequently charging to make the percentage between 50%-100%
2.Charge it to 80-90 and try not make to make it fall below 20% and charge only once in a day?
The second option is a bit far fetched for me...Though I will try
My habit is 1 + 2: when around 50%, charge it up to around 90%.
Of course I'm not paranoid about it. But I do check battery levels most times I pick up my phone, to decide what to do.
If you root your device, you can use Battery Charge Limit.
You can set the maximum charging percentage, like setting it to 80%, then the charger will stop charging.
For our POCO X3 PRO, we need to go into this app setting and change "Set Control File" to the one with mi6 or something I don't clearly remember.
ArrowOS has this smart charging built-in.
I personally use my old charger to charge it slowly.
From what I observe, the Xiaomi 33W charger will rise the battery temperature to 40°C, which is bad to the battery. My slow charger will increase to ~33°C.
The fast charge is for convenience and emergency eg. forgot to charge at night and need to rush in the morning.
Frequently charging between 40~80% is better for battery health in long term.
Advanced Charging Controller (acc) is a good module to do this under control. It also has links about battery health explanation. (Battery university)
It is best to keep it between 20-80 present and not gaming while charging. I use my old slow charger when i am not in a hurry.
i keep mine at 70% max. i charge when it gets to 40%. I use arrowOS so i can set max charging and it resets the battery stats as well, so i know which apps eats power next time
Trying to keep it between 40-80%, with 10min break before recharging to cool down
Actually, I always keep my battery between 25% and 75%, then I restart the device once a week. Finally, I will use it until 0% one or two times a month before charging fully to 100% , I have read in a newspaper, it is necessary for digital devices.
nthp999 said:
Actually, I always keep my battery between 25% and 75%, then I restart the device once a week. Finally, I will use it until 0% one or two times a month before charging fully to 100% , I have read in a newspaper, it is necessary for digital devices.
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discharging at 0% seems to be at a high risk that it won't power on anymore
Wait... is there a problem with charging my phone to 100%?
Darklink007 said:
Wait... is there a problem with charging my phone to 100%?
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If you want your phone battery health to last longer for years, like 2 years or more, then it's better. Info is here: https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
For long term, battery will degrade and loose it's capacity, so your battery die eventually, then replace, then die, then replace...
Like this:
https://imgur.com/aUOLaob
If you are wealthy enough to change your phone so frequently that you don't even want to concern the long term damage to phones, then forget about it and go for the TOP. (And coffee for me )
Cycling from 100 to 0 % we get 500 cycles
Cycling from 100 to 10 % we get 500 cycles
Cycling from 100 to 20 % we get 1.000 cycles
Cycling from 90 to 0 % we get 1.500 cycles
Cycling from 90 to 10 % we get 1.500 cycles
Cycling from 90 to 20 % we get 2.000 cycles
Cycling from 80 to 0 % we get 3.000 cycles
Cycling from 80 to 10 % we get 3.000 cycles
Cycling from 80 to 20 % we get 3.500 cycles
Cycling from 70 to 0 % we get 5.000 cycles
Cycling from 70 to 10 % we get 5.500 cycles
Cycling from 70 to 20 % we get 6.000 cycles
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Battery charging: Full versus Partial - 🔋PushEVs
What's better for your electric car battery?
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To be honest, I wouldn't worry too much about any loss of capacity in the battery. My oldest still active device is now 5 years old and even with that I do not notice any significant loss of capacity. Typically all of my devices charge from around 5% to 100%. My Nokia 7 Plus was charged almost daily by me for 2 years and by my brother for a year before that, but I don't know how he charged it. Still, I haven't noticed any change in the running time to this day.
Maybe it's not the place to ask, but I was wondering, is there any way to know if a Xiaomi charger is fake? I want to buy a charger between 10-18w to replace my 33w charger in order to reduce my POCO X3 PRO battery's suffering, but I live in a third world country where is VERY difficult to adquire imported products and I don't want to buy a fake one from the local online marketplaces, if you guys could please help me I would appreciate it
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Maybe it's not the place to ask, but I was wondering, is there any way to know if a Xiaomi charger is fake? I want to buy a charger between 10-18w to replace my 33w charger in order to reduce my POCO X3 PRO battery's suffering, but I live in a third world country where is VERY difficult to adquire imported products and I don't want to buy a fake one from the local online marketplaces, if you guys could please help me I would appreciate it
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Just buy any 2 Ampere, 5 Volt charger. It should be fast enough, but not too fast. It doesn't have to be a Xiaomi charger.
Darklink007 said:
Maybe it's not the place to ask, but I was wondering, is there any way to know if a Xiaomi charger is fake? I want to buy a charger between 10-18w to replace my 33w charger in order to reduce my POCO X3 PRO battery's suffering, but I live in a third world country where is VERY difficult to adquire imported products and I don't want to buy a fake one from the local online marketplaces, if you guys could please help me I would appreciate it
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If you have a laptop, use it's USB. It most likely will charge VERY slow, to the point that you want it to charge faster.
Edit: The alternative way is to use Magisk module Advanced Charging Controller (acc)
You need to unlock bootloader, install Magisk, and install Advanced Charging Controller (acc) module.
Then you can restrict the charging current or voltage. I tried with the official charger and it can be charged below 500 mAh, so below 2.5 watts.
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If you have a laptop, use it's USB. It most likely will charge VERY slow, to the point that you want it to charge faster.
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If you then put a mirror on the laptop, you can see your beard grow in real time while it is charging.
pl1992aw said:
If you root your device, you can use Battery Charge Limit. ... like setting it to 80% ... ArrowOS has this smart charging built-in.
I personally use my old charger to charge it slowly.
From what I observe, the Xiaomi 33W charger will rise the battery temperature to 40°C, which is bad to the battery. My slow charger will increase to ~33°C.
The fast charge is for convenience and emergency eg. forgot to charge at night and need to rush in the morning.
Frequently charging between 40~80% is better for battery health in long term.
Advanced Charging Controller (acc) is a good module to do this under control. It also has links about battery health explanation. (Battery university)
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fnldstntn said:
It is best to keep it between 20-80 present and not gaming while charging. I use my old slow charger when i am not in a hurry.
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Battery charging: Full versus Partial - 🔋PushEVs
What's better for your electric car battery?
pushevs.com
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Cycling from 100 to 10 % we get 500 cycles
Cycling from 100 to 20 % we get 1.000 cycles
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Cycling from 70 to 20 % we get 6.000 cycles
The first two are should be the standard user behaviour, given the ROM build-in recharging warning. The difference in cycles to 70 to 20 % seems huge (6-10x more)
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If you have a laptop, use it's USB. It most likely will charge VERY slow, to the point that you want it to charge faster.
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All interesting posts. I wonder however:
What about having the device connected to the charger most of the time (at work place) with 100% most of the time, so it is de-charged only a small time of the day? So only at times when really moving around some workdays or in the weekend the device gets down to 20% or below.
I have now changed the 33W (12V/3A) Fast-Charger with the older 18W (9V/2A) Charger of the RN7 I have.
Would setting the charge limit to 80% give a huge benefit if I would like to use the device at least for 2-3 years?
ChriMo said:
Cycling from 100 to 10 % we get 500 cycles
Cycling from 100 to 20 % we get 1.000 cycles
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Cycling from 70 to 20 % we get 6.000 cycles
The first two are should be the standard user behaviour, given the ROM build-in recharging warning. The difference in cycles to 70 to 20 % seems huge (6-10x more)
All interesting posts. I wonder however:
What about having the device connected to the charger most of the time (at work place) with 100% most of the time, so it is de-charged only a small time of the day? So only at times when really moving around some workdays or in the weekend the device gets down to 20% or below.
I have now changed the 33W (12V/3A) Fast-Charger with the older 18W (9V/2A) Charger of the RN7 I have.
Would setting the charge limit to 80% give a huge benefit if I would like to use the device at least for 2-3 years?
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Connecting to the power all the time at around 100% is bad. It is at the limit of Over charging, the battery may bloat up and destroy the screen.
If you want, it's better to set it limit 40~80% and connect. The importance is the battery temperature. Don't make it hot. You can check it with Ampere.
The benefit is about the battery. You might not need to replace it often when you encounter like cases of sudden drop of percentage or sudden shutdown.
Huge or not is subjective.
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Connecting to the power all the time at around 100% is bad. It is at the limit of Over charging, the battery may bloat up and destroy the screen.
If you want, it's better to set it limit 40~80% and connect. The importance is the battery temperature. Don't make it hot. You can check it with Ampere.
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Regarding battery temperature at least after reaching 100% I never noticed a hot or even warm phone.
I taught the device/system has some "charging intelligence" when always connected, so that the phone is directly using the power from the cable while the battery is not drained?
In Stock MIUI (debloated) or xiaomi.eu without root it is not possible to set a different Battery Charge Limit then?
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Regarding battery temperature at least after reaching 100% I never noticed a hot or even warm phone.
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When it's about to reach 80% or 90%, smart batteries now will charge slower automatically, so you don't feel the temperature.
However, when you see it in ultra-fast charge, like 40% charing to 70% in 30 minutes, the battery rise to 40°C or higher (as I observed.) Can even go higher depend on climate and using while charging.
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I taught the device/system has some "charging intelligence" when always connected, so that the phone is directly using the power from the cable while the battery is not drained?
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This can be done with Advanced Charging Controller (acc).
I had answered similar questions here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/custom-kernel-for-gaming-poco-x3-pro-please.4281305/post-85105659
ChriMo said:
In Stock MIUI (debloated) or xiaomi.eu without root it is not possible to set a different Battery Charge Limit then?
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This control needs root.
Unless it's built into the Rom.
ArrowOS version 2021-05-07 had Smart charging that can set a limit threshold without root.
But developer said will remove this funtcion. See in his Rom thread for his reply.