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So we had a nice discussion last year, comparing the Pure/Style against Google's 6P. Now, since the Google Pixel Phone XL has been announced. Let's discuss, compare and chat about next moves.
Although I've had my MXPE long enough to want something new. I'm not changing this year. The Pixel Phone pricing is insane. Maybe next year. But Google wants to have an iPhone and I didn't go Android to get into iPhone pricing, or at least not a year after buying a MXPE.
The Pixel Phone camera is awesome, unlimited native file storage is fantastic, the image stabilization is incredible. And I'm sure, it will be even better, next year :laugh: . Direct quick updates from Google is very nice too.
The MXPE does have expandable storage, which the Pixel Phone does not have :good: . I also enjoy Moto Actions.
So take the poll and let's chat.
I'll vote stay - consider the fact that
1. The Pixel XL is ridiculously expensive (649 for the smaller Pixel - and it's even painful to see that similar Android flagships such as the S7/Edge/V20/10/Axon 7/OP3 are cheaper and better to begin with)
2. 32GB non-expandable storage
3. No waterproofing
4. No front facing stereo speakers
5. No front facing flash (minor issue TBH)
6. Huge bezels in the front of the screen
The only redeeming part was the camera (which may be/maybe not better than the S7).
...and Verizon Exclusive? (That was the worst part of all)
I'm an avid Google user - but looks like Google has made a huge mistake so far.
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I'll vote stay - consider the fact that
1. The Pixel XL is ridiculously expensive (649 for the smaller Pixel - and it's even painful to see that similar Android flagships such as the S7/Edge/V20/10/Axon 7/OP3 are cheaper and better to begin with)
2. 32GB non-expandable storage
3. No waterproofing
4. No front facing stereo speakers
5. No front facing flash (minor issue TBH)
6. Huge bezels in the front of the screen
The only redeeming part was the camera (which may be/maybe not better than the S7).
...and Verizon Exclusive? (That was the worst part of all)
I'm an avid Google user - but looks like Google has made a huge mistake so far.
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Good points. Google is going to learn, the consumers for "their" products are not Apple or Samsung types. I thought they would have learned with the Pixel C, which is not flying off the shelves. But I suspect a more reasonably priced phone come 2017.
And the MXPE has Moto Display .
I read from phonearena that unlocked version will be available on Google Play Store...
I agree the specs are not that impressive but also how much more crazier can phone manufacturer's can get with spec wise what we need is a phone that doesn't cut ends like battery life or crappy camera or bad software and something that doesn't cost an arm and a leg we have so many good phones out there but always has something that's not so great if companies start listening to what the consumer wants and like and builds a phone from consumer perspective and not just trying to compete with other manufacturer's
iPhones hold their value. Android phones do not. In a year the Pixel will be available on Prime Day for $299 or so I suspect.
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iPhones hold their value. Android phones do not. In a year the Pixel will be available on Prime Day for $299 or so I suspect.
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Not exactly iphones are way behind in the game compared to android they just now started water proofing their phones and put dual front facing speakers android devices has had these for a while now and the battery life simply does not compare and price drops are actually a good selling point as well nobody wants to pay retail price for a a two year old device
Good for people who wait a year. Bad for people who buy at launch. I'm not going to argue tech, because frankly it's not what I was addressing.
What I'm saying is:
Buy and iphone and launch, resell a year later at 25% depreciation and get the new iPhone for a minimum out of pocket cost.
Buy a Pixel at launch resell a year later at 75% depreciation and pay for the new pixel with much more out of pocket cost.
I was going to maybe get the pixel, Why I've been holding off. I'm underwhelmed. I ordered a 32 GB 5X and will be giving my Moto X Pure to my girlfriend to replace her Nexus 4.
I'll keep my MXPE thru Nougat and then move on. I want to see how these Pixel Phones are received over the next few months.
I just priced a Pixel XL with equivalent size and storage to my MXPE. The device would cost $869.00 and then since I have MotoCare, it would cost an extra $99 for Google's coverage. $968 total. And then, the Google coverage has a $99 deductible if I need a replacement. Wow, that would be over $1K. I feel like I was hit with a lightening bolt, and I was just checking a scenario I have no intentions of doing .
Just saw a hands-on review and they showed the double-twist to launch the camera, that's one of the big feature for me. Cool, I didn't know they have it by default...
This was a really disappointing launch in my opinion, and I see no incentive to buy this phone at all.
-huge bezels
-no dual front facing speakers
-no expandable storage
-no removable battery
-locked bootloader
-only 2 years of software support
-iphone-esque copycat appearance
-ridiculous pricetag
For a phone that was supposedly google's proper answer to the iphone, it has quite a lot of drawbacks.
Let's not forget updates - it's even painful to see a lowly, nearly 2-year-old Galaxy A5 receiving Marshmallow (along with the latest security updates) faster than Google...
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HaggisIV said:
This was a really disappointing launch in my opinion, and I see no incentive to buy this phone at all.
-huge bezels
-no dual front facing speakers
-no expandable storage
-no removable battery
-locked bootloader
-only 2 years of software support
-iphone-esque copycat appearance
-ridiculous pricetag
For a phone that was supposedly google's proper answer to the iphone, it has quite a lot of drawbacks.
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Even funnier still Samsung (which gets a lot of flak from the Android community) did best (apart from exploding Note 7s) in the Android ecosystem so far... Heck their 'slow updates' are a thing of the past....
To add salt to the injury even a 3 year old+ Galaxy S4 has the September security update...
Looking at the spec comparison of the 2 devices on GSM Arena. The Pixel XL is not that far ahead of the MXPE, when you consider the price difference. Especially now, with the MXPE being on sale these days.
As much as I have said for years, "I'm getting a Nexus/Google Phone next..." It seems every time, a 3rd Party OEM comes with a great Android Device, that stalls me from going Nexus/Google. I did transform my HTC One to a "Google Edition" and that was fun. But that's the closest I've come to a true Google phone. And now, I'm not sure I may ever have a Google Phone at this rate. If they keep these crazy prices up next year, I suspect some 3rd Party OEM will get my money again.
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Looking at the spec comparison of the 2 devices on GSM Arena. The Pixel XL is not that far ahead of the MXPE, when you consider the price difference. Especially now, with the MXPE being on sale these days.
As much as I have said for years, "I'm getting a Nexus/Google Phone next..." It seems every time, a 3rd Party OEM comes with a great Android Device, that stalls me from going Nexus/Google. I did transform my HTC One to a "Google Edition" and that was fun. But that's the closest I've come to a true Google phone. And now, I'm not sure I may ever have a Google Phone at this rate. If they keep these crazy prices up next year, I suspect some 3rd Party OEM will get my money again.
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At this point I'm not even sure what my next upgrade will be. I don't like where motorola is heading with their new phones, and they've been anything but punctual with updates. If google completely drops the nexus line and only keeps the pixel devices at the current price point, I don't think I'll be going with either of them.
Currently, the only viable alternative I would consider buying is the op3, since it has decent hardware for a (relatively) fair price.
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At this point I'm not even sure what my next upgrade will be. I don't like where motorola is heading with their new phones, and they've been anything but punctual with updates. If google completely drops the nexus line and only keeps the pixel devices at the current price point, I don't think I'll be going with either of them.
Currently, the only viable alternative I would consider buying is the op3, since it has decent hardware for a (relatively) fair price.
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I have the same feeling... What about Nexus 6p? Is it worth switching to? Especially on the camera department, want something better in low light and it seems 6p seems pretty good there? What would I be missing though switching from MXPE to 6p?
I think you should add "other" to the poll.
Like most said here, the Pixels are ridiculously expensive. I personally would not put another rmb into Lenovarola's hands due to horrible support.
I am waiting on deals on the 128gb Nexus 6p. If I can get one around $450, that is the phone I would buy. I will miss the removable storage but I think that is about it.
If I were you I would never change snap808 device to 810. Snap 808/810 are worst cpus from qualcomm. Just wait for good priced snap 820 devices.
sooyong94 said:
I'll vote stay - consider the fact that
1. The Pixel XL is ridiculously expensive (649 for the smaller Pixel - and it's even painful to see that similar Android flagships such as the S7/Edge/V20/10/Axon 7/OP3 are cheaper and better to begin with)
2. 32GB non-expandable storage
3. No waterproofing
4. No front facing stereo speakers
5. No front facing flash (minor issue TBH)
6. Huge bezels in the front of the screen
The only redeeming part was the camera (which may be/maybe not better than the S7).
...and Verizon Exclusive? (That was the worst part of all)
I'm an avid Google user - but looks like Google has made a huge mistake so far.
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No wireless charging!
Honestly, I'm not against with the higher price, because Google can also have it's own flagship
However, this pixel device is not worth what we are paying for.
Just like sony xz, excuse me? 3gb RAM for a $699 phone?
Although pixel have the specs every Android flagship supposed to have, still lacking of some breathtaking feature.
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At this point I'm not even sure what my next upgrade will be. I don't like where motorola is heading with their new phones, and they've been anything but punctual with updates. If google completely drops the nexus line and only keeps the pixel devices at the current price point, I don't think I'll be going with either of them.
Currently, the only viable alternative I would consider buying is the op3, since it has decent hardware for a (relatively) fair price.
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I agree, I don't like where Lenovo is taking things either. I figure worst case next year, I'll get some T-Mobile USA branded device and get WiFi calling back. Or maybe keep the MXPE a 3rd year, but given the slow updates, I doubt we may see any updates after 2 years. I just hope we have better options next year.
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I have the same feeling... What about Nexus 6p? Is it worth switching to? Especially on the camera department, want something better in low light and it seems 6p seems pretty good there? What would I be missing though switching from MXPE to 6p?
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This thread has plenty of discussion about that: Moto X Pure vs Nexus 2015
The point of this post is just to share my thoughts about the direction Motorola has taken with flagships. After using this phone for more than a year I can conclude:
Besides near stock Android and Turbo charging, the phone is mediocre at best. I have never felt as good as what i felt with my previous flagships (a Oneplus One).
The Battery life is way below average. After using the phone for a year the battery has really started to show its age and its not lasting as long as it should.
Another annoying issue I noticed is the fact that Motorola implements almost the same design language for their lower end G series and X series. Apart from the size, someone who isn't a tech geek can easily mistake my Pure for a lower end Motorola phone. The new Z series has fixed this, but again it would be difficult for the uninitiated to tell the difference between a Moto Z Play and the more premium Moto Z. Samsung, LG, HTC, Xiaomi go to great lengths to ensure that their flagships stand out and look very different from the budget phones.
I dont think i need to mention the fact that ever since Lenovo has taken over, the update wait time has increased a great deal, new reports suggest that the Pure will only get Noughat in May 2017
The developers that choose to work on the Pure deserve a lot of credit, but the fact is that a lot of developers chose to develop for other devices rather than the Pure.
A lot of accessory manufacturers decided that the moto X Pure didn't deserve any attention. To find a decent case was not very easy, (I especially missed using a Spigen case) and the fact that there is not a single working tempered Screen glass protector proves this. (I know the Pleson works almost 100% but its not available freely in all countries neither is it perfect.)
In conclusion I'm pretty sure this will be my last Motorola phone simply because it would be smarter to spend a little more and get a Galaxy, and with phones like the Oneplus 3T it makes little sense to buy a phone like the Moto Z which is priced considerably higher.
Would love to hear from other people what they think and if they are going to stay loyal to Motorola.
Heavy weight
Easy to get heated
The point about sharing design with mid range Moto phones is dope. People often ask if it's a Moto X Play or a Moto G 3rd Gen and then we need to tell them it's X Style ??
Well ... I understand your point of view, but what I think is that you chose badly the device, since you found him "mediocre at best"
The points listed:
Comparing the most powerful AND STABLE 32-bit processor to the second in line of Qualcomm's 64-bit generation SOC's with new architecture and everything else, I believe to be extremely wrong, since after the SD810 fiasco the creation of the SD808 was the fix the company used (and i think it was a good one, but this is something mostly disagree with me '^^)
About the OnePlus One, it is really a beast phone with the SD801 (the 32bits GOD) and i understand that you had a remarkable experience with it, since i had (now it is with my girlfriend) an Xperia Z3 with the same SD801 as the OnePlus One i understand when you say it was a more fluid usage, since i think the same, but... I don't think you can compare something that is pretty stable with some new technology.
I never had any problems with the battery because i use as a normal phone and i play games only at home and waiting in lines (bank/medic/...), it gives me something next to 18 hours (stock ROM/kernel) of use with 3 hour SOT or 7 to 8 hours SOT when i use it to watch movies/series/animes in my bed, mostly at weekends. Through the week i unplug it from charger at 6:30, go to work, and at 18:00 i go back home (40 ~ 35% left), the weekend is always a mess for battery stats,
As for the design I don’t have much to say, because I find it very beautiful, and being same design language is a plus for me, i like to have a “invisible phone” in the croud, only people that asks me what is my phone should know the answer.
Now the two really bad points ...
As for Lenovo acquiring Motorola, I fully agree that it was dumb, at least it should keep Motorola working as it always did.
And the lack of smartphone accessories really is laughable
We can keep talking about it, but i really think is a good phone and the testing Nougat ROM's are amazing, i can't wait for the official Nougat update.
btw all samsungs look the same too, comapre new A series with S: very simmilar glass on glass design.
other than that, you're right there are some dissapoitments but it's not real flagship phone, it's more like very good mid-end device, It was never priced like a flagship so don't expect it to be real flagship - that's my opinion. OPO is a differen't story, they managed to get price down with other ways like it's distribution, services ect.
It is a flagship phone. Why would you think otherwise? SD 8xx, 5.7" 2K screen, 21 MP back camera, etc. Upon release the starting price for 16gb was $399, while most mid range phones hit at $250-$300. At this point, nearly 2 years later, it could be considered a mid range but that is because hardware moves forward.
As to my thoughts: I think this is a great phone, even now. I run unrooted stock and pretty much it is a Nexus device with a few extras for customization thrown via Moto apps. These apps are few and I appreciate that they add actual additional features and not just replicate what Android and Google actually does already. The phone runs smooth, has a good camera for good lighting, and handles everything I throw at it. I will admit that battery life could be better, but it is acceptable and at least the turbo charge makes up for this shortcoming. I don't regret this purchase, even if the update process is dismal.
Update: I have hit the end of my warranty period, so I unlocked the bootloader and rooted. I have applied my favorite rooted apps and settings (Xposed, amplify, Greenify, TiBu to disable/uninstall certain apps and services, BBS to track wakelocks, and AdAway) so hopefully I will see improved battery life.
I bought the phone 6 months ago and I love it. I always used to be a android tinkerer. But recently most of the features that I used to root for have become stock. All I really need in a phone is stock android (although I wish we would get updates sooner) and the front facing speakers (because anything else is stupid). While I will probably be buying whatever google has out when I decide that it is time to upgrade in a year or two. It isn't due to anything motorola did wrong in particular. I also tend to keep phones a long time and upgrade to a tried and tested phone (which 6 months ago was the moto x pure, getting great reviews.) I upgraded from the Galaxy Note 2, and this was a wonderful step up.
I bought mine used last summer, upgrading from a Galaxy Note II. I'm a little disappointed in the battery life, but it gets me through most days. I agree about the lack of accessories and the slowing speed of updates. I'm also amazed at how well my Note II still stands up while running a custom MM Rom. I hope the X Pure works that well when it is that old.
But there are things that I really love about this phone too. I am amazed at how good the front speakers sound. I never thought I would care this much, but they are really good. I'm happy with the camera, since most of my photography is in good lighting conditions. This is my first phone with a camera that was good enough to not bother with a point and shoot. I'll move to a custom ROM if the updates stop altogether, but they haven't stopped yet. I'm happy that it still has a headphone jack, I use it all the time. Speed is fast enough to never annoy me, where my Note 2 was fast enough to rarely annoy me.
I choose this phone as an aging flagship instead of a midrange (Honor 5X, Asus Zenfone Laser 2, Moto G 3rd Gen) and I'm glad that I did.
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Znomon said:
I bought the phone 6 months ago and I love it. I always used to be a android tinkerer. But recently most of the features that I used to root for have become stock. All I really need in a phone is stock android (although I wish we would get updates sooner) and the front facing speakers (because anything else is stupid). While I will probably be buying whatever google has out when I decide that it is time to upgrade in a year or two. It isn't due to anything motorola did wrong in particular. I also tend to keep phones a long time and upgrade to a tried and tested phone (which 6 months ago was the moto x pure, getting great reviews.) I upgraded from the Galaxy Note 2, and this was a wonderful step up.
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smallmj said:
I bought mine used last summer, upgrading from a Galaxy Note II. I'm a little disappointed in the battery life, but it gets me through most days. I agree about the lack of accessories and the slowing speed of updates. I'm also amazed at how well my Note II still stands up while running a custom MM Rom. I hope the X Pure works that well when it is that old.
But there are things that I really love about this phone too. I am amazed at how good the front speakers sound. I never thought I would care this much, but they are really good. I'm happy with the camera, since most of my photography is in good lighting conditions. This is my first phone with a camera that was good enough to not bother with a point and shoot. I'll move to a custom ROM if the updates stop altogether, but they haven't stopped yet. I'm happy that it still has a headphone jack, I use it all the time. Speed is fast enough to never annoy me, where my Note 2 was fast enough to rarely annoy me.
I choose this phone as an aging flagship instead of a midrange (Honor 5X, Asus Zenfone Laser 2, Moto G 3rd Gen) and I'm glad that I did.
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Note 2 holdout here too . I'm just finishing up my first week since the upgrade and am quite pleased so far. I have the feeling that the MXPE is going to be a good low maintenance, long haul phone that I can get a few good years of service out of without too much hand-holding, just like with the Note. And with a nice, bright LCD screen instead of Led, I won't ever have to worry about burn-in or custom kernels to help correct green tint; pretty much everything just works. In fact, there's a ton of features that used to require a special app or a custom rom on the Note 2 that are built right in to the X, so there was a lot less effort required out-of-the-box to get everything to work, and on the stock Rom, no less! Even tethering works on the stock rom, which is something that I've never seen on any smartphone in my life.
Comparing the battery life of the two devices, I have yet to conclude any formal tests, but so far, the Pure Edition looks like it's going to be delivering 3-4 hours of screen-on time at best, while the Note 2 delivered as much as 4-5 hours on a good day. That said, I used that phone much more conservatively, so that could have something to do with it, but overall, the runtime of the Pure Edition isn't looking all that great. I think it's just got too much power for its own good, and when you combine that with a ludicrously-high screen resolution, (which demands more effort to render those high-resolution fonts and animations) it strains the CPU and GPU more. Time will tell if things improve after I settle in with it.
Overall I am happy with my X pure, though I share some of the others gripes.
Pros
-Screen
-Above average camera
-Good front camera with flash
-Good CPU, 3GB RAM
-front speakers
-no complaint on call quality
-Sd card slot - I have a 64GB card split as 20GB adopted and 40GB external
-moto ROM is near stock
-Moto features are well done (lock screen notifications)
-Simple unlock/root process
-GSM & CDMA = yes on VZ
-Quich charge 2
-understated design (I like it, others not as much)
- PRICE for these features unmatched
Cons
-Gets hot under load
-Battery life could be better - depends on how much I use it. GPS OFF helps. QC is a necessity with this phone
- lack of choice for accessories
- curved back - one handed is a chore and can't use on the table face up. It does feel nice to hold for a call though.
Other
- upgrade cycle has been slower than some would like. However it still exists at least. Other phones would be dead by now, this one is still alive.
Overall, Pros outweigh the cons and there is a lot for me to love about this phone.
I think I have been spoiled, because I'm finding it hard to find a device to upgrade to without sacrifices. The only phones I would consider are the Pixel and Moto G4 and one is expensive and the other underpowered.
well, i did the poll but i did it as a yes i would buy another, with condition of course.
i came from the original disappointed motorola fans, the Photon 4G fan. back then... it was the photon of the era. It had the ability to work as a PC, GSM capabilities, 4G wimax and at the time was the best performance with dual core 1 gigahertz and qHD. really a prime of a phone at that time compared to the S2 and the evo. cyanogenmod came out and did wonders on that phone because moto blur was so trashy. Then... the worst happened. Sprint ordered motorola to lock down the bootloader to 2.3.6 which is severely locked and no modifications were allowed to be done anymore. those who were lucky to not have 2.3.6 were able to mod to ICS but those who had 2.3.6 had to bootstrap the phone to work with cyanogenmod and that even was a piss poor attempt at making it work.
now i buy the moto x pure with alot of resentment from the photon but after hearing the reviews is when i bought it. after plagues of hardware problems with hte nexus 5 i simply needed a way to go back and the best device was the moto x. i was so sure i wanted this phone i custom ordered it (after reading rave reviews), i ordered the black leather with red accent 64 gig with 2 years protection. with over a year on this phone... i will admit i still love it.
there were a few hardware problems but i do have the 2 year protection and they did repair it for me... replaced the screen and the battery and wireless modules. i since then have not had problems with it (and believe they remedied the issues that i had with the older devices). i own an HTC M9, and my sister has the s7 edge. the only thing i like about the m9 is the dolby atmos and the carrier aggregation (hoping for a wireless update for the X). other than that... my phone is still superior despite older technology.
why?
i love my moto x because of the moto display. my absolute favorite! i also love the flash light and camera gestures.
the camera works great, signal is still better than most other phones, it barely crashes, the speakers still work very well, still speedy, turbo charge is still an amazing product and i bought the car charger for it. battery had 90 mins on screen time and still has 41% battery and i like the fact its unlocked gsm. i tried freedom pop a few weeks ago and i put that sim in. switched over quickly and it worked great then when i was done... i put my sprint sim back in and it worked just as great too.
the reason i dont see much to switch to however is because samsung, LG, and HTC hasnt really enticed me yet as to why their phone is better. samsung i have to see what will make them different... but LG really hasnt enticed me and im curious on what HTC does, though im not a metal phone fan (feel the feraday cage idea disintegrates the signal, IMO). Pixel is nice... but i simply dont have the money.
what would make me switch to another phone...
1) 4 gig of ram (preferably 6 gigs)
2) HPUE has to be baked in for Sprint LTE at a minimum but 5 channel aggregation would be amazing, AND GSM UNLOCKED
3) best camera software
4) minimum 5.5 inch screen
5) battery that will last for full 24 hours without need of charge or quick charge 4.0 with dual pol
6) shatter resistance and waterproof
for now... the moto x meets my demands without incremental improvements until i see whats next. hopefully a moto z successor that actually works on sprint
In the 2 years it has been out the update cycle has been slower than Samsung's Motorola did not deliver on the support side the main selling point they had with this device was it was going to be similar to the Nexus upgrade cycle well my warranty was up before the first update came out... In addition to the fiasco that is accessories for this phone I am really regretting not going with the LG v10
I don't know why everyone still complains about the accessories. This was never a mainstream device since it was completely carrier independent and sold unlocked. The previous Moto X (and Moto G) line was sold as both branded and unlocked so they were actually seen at pretty much any company that sold cellular service. For those looking for contract or payment plan pricing, they could get it from the carrier. With limited visibility, and the lack of payment plans through carriers the Pure was just not that popular. Companies that make accessories are going to focus on popular selling phones first as that is where they will make the most money... At least we have some options.
I sold my Moto X Pure to buy a Google Pixel XL.
If I were to sell the Pixel XL, then the Moto X Pure is the only phone I'd consider buying.
It was the best all-around phone I've ever had.
I'd even go with it over the new OnePlus 3 second edition or Galaxy S7 variants.
Regardless of price.
Moto Z. lmao what a stinker that phone is compared to Moto X Pure.
Unless you want pretty. Then you shouldn't even be on XDA if that's all you care about.
Interesting comments. I've been a Nexus owner for years, with the 6P being my prior phone. It became my prior phone due to the all too common Boot Loop of Death (BLOD) that seems to be impacting more and more owners. While Huawei did replace it with a refurb'ed model, not in mint shape like the one I sent, but it did come back with 128g instead of the 32g I sent. The battery is terrible as compared with the MXPE, I've been through most of the custom roms/kernels and nothing has really helped and I don't do social media nor play games on it. The built in features of the Moto really impressed me, they are actually functional and add value. The Moto Display is excellent as is the voice recognition of the Moto voice. The bluetooth stack seems to have issues (with me at least), my cell signal is a bit worse and the lack of updates is sad.
I've considered the Pixel, but the price is insane and after having the Pixel features on the 6P I'm happy with the Moto.
When I got my 6P back, it took about a week to change my sim back to it from the Moto, I put it back in the Moto the next day and don't plan on taking it out.
I've had several issues with my Moto X Pure:
1. Frequent static emanating from the headphone jack, which puts a real damper on quiet classical music. I've read on discussion boards that this is a known problem with jacks on the Moto X.
2. Failure to recognize SD cards. I'm now on my third card, and the phone is less than a year old.
3. The camera now fails to operate because of a "lack of disk space" -- although I have more than 24GB available.
Like you, I will never buy another Motorola phone.
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I've had several issues with my Moto X Pure:
1. Frequent static emanating from the headphone jack, which puts a real damper on quiet classical music. I've read on discussion boards that this is a known problem with jacks on the Moto X.
2. Failure to recognize SD cards. I'm now on my third card, and the phone is less than a year old.
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1. This is interesting and must be sample-specific. I'm a pretty avid music listener and haven't had any problems with the headphone output on either of my MXPEs (had to RMA my first toward the end of the warranty period). I'd definitely notice and complain if there were any perceptible noise.
2. This one I do have experience with. I bought a brand new Samsung EVO 64 GB mSD card at the same time as the phone, and it gave me fits, but seems to work in other devices. Tried an older SanDisk I had laying around and it's worked fine.
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1. This is interesting and must be sample-specific. I'm a pretty avid music listener and haven't had any problems with the headphone output on either of my MXPEs (had to RMA my first toward the end of the warranty period). I'd definitely notice and complain if there were any perceptible noise.
2. This one I do have experience with. I bought a brand new Samsung EVO 64 GB mSD card at the same time as the phone, and it gave me fits, but seems to work in other devices. Tried an older SanDisk I had laying around and it's worked fine.
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I've had issues with static, but only on some select 3.5mm plugs. I just figure it was that specific plug itself.
Have had no issues with my SanDisk plus. I use it as removable storage and not as adopted storage. But going back to your statement, I have owned a multiple phones and have noticed some don't play well with certain brands of cards but do well with others. I'm not sure why this is but it does happen.
I really hope I don't get SD slot troubles. My Note 2 did that and it drove me crazy. Maybe next time I should just shell out for a 64+ GB phone.
Times have changed
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I really hope I don't get SD slot troubles. My Note 2 did that and it drove me crazy. Maybe next time I should just shell out for a 64+ GB phone.
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Newer versions of Android (and their apps, along with the stock Rom apparently) are not nearly as frugal with the 16GB of storage as the Note2 was. I'm already at 7.8/9.6GB used with just a basic load of apps and data (music is on the card and camera photos are also directed to be stored there) on the MXPE.
For comparison, my Note2 has a massive load of software & data, plus a ton of camera photos, all on the main storage volume, and only 6.26GB out of the total 10.95GB available are used.
All that to say that 16GB used to be plenty, but "modern" software is just too bloated for that. If I do upgrade phones anytime in the next ~2 years, it'll probably be to a larger Moto X Pure Edition, but for now, that 64GB MicroSD card should be plenty adequate.
This is what I would like to see in a Moto X 4th Generation:
Keep the dual speakers
Dimple with finger scanning
USB-C
More RAM for course
Expandable storage still available
Better battery Life
Wireless Charging
AMOLED (If the price is right)
Stock Android (No bloatware)
This wouldn't stop me from getting the phone if it had all the features above: REGULAR UPDATES!!!!!!!
In all honestly not all of us want the Moto Mods and love the Moto X. You would definitely keep my loyalty in buying your brand, as long as you listen to what your customers want. THIS IS WHAT WE WANT!
I'm afraid there wont be instant any updates like the Google Devices or even after them. More like after Samsung even because Lenovo owns it and they aren't very keen on updates. I experienced it on a Lenovo tablet and obviously on this phone.
its this lcd screen that kills batter life so just having the amoled would kill 2 birds with one stone for me
i would upgrade if looked exactly the same but with later model cpu/chipset, amoled screen and a 3500/4000 mah battery, i love all motos additions and the stock look.
I could live without wireless charging and fingerprint scanner, though both would be nice. AMOLED just makes sense for Moto display so this would be a requirement for me.
No Led! Just LCD!
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I could live without wireless charging and fingerprint scanner, though both would be nice. AMOLED just makes sense for Moto display so this would be a requirement for me.
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I got this phone specifically to get away from Led screens and was not disappointed. I have vowed to never own a phone with Led again, at least for the foreseeable future (until the technology finally comes of age).
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I got this phone specifically to get away from Led screens and was not disappointed. I have vowed to never own a phone with Led again, at least for the foreseeable future (until the technology finally comes of age).
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I'm not personally a huge fan, but I can see the benefits paired with Moto display and a true black wallpaper. I'm a minimalist, so this works for me.
No AMOLED for me. I got horrible burns with my Moto X 2014, so that's a big no-no for me.
If there is to be a 4th generation Moto X Pure Edition - would it come in 2017/2018 ?
Hope it'll be nothing like the Z . . . (add-on's)
BUT to using modern beefy guts inside the X Pure 4th GEN, allowing removable batteries with longer/better run times and so what if it's at a cost of loosing the spill/waterproof factor, that's a trade-off most can welcome to this phone model, else your packing a charger and need to be close to AC/DC support.
The X pure 3rd generation XT1575, I do like the radios bi-networks technology GSM/CDMA used and the switching of SIM's it allows for a greater feature of the most part in ones freedom to go with the best bang for the buck in a MVNO offering -Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, U.S. Cellular, and have set that as one of the 1-5 spots in my top list of requirements to a phone now.
Givens to keep or improve on:
GSM/CDMA Radios
OCTA-CORE Snapdragon
Larger and Removable Battery
Same 5.7" screen size, improving bezel to screen size ratio with more than 520ppi.
Dual Stereo Speakers.
Add more RAM and ROM size 4GB/128GB - accept larger SD size 200GB up.
Rear shooter 21MP - up front shooter to at least 8MP
Frequent Updates.
Stock Android 7.0 Nougat Experience.
Not Needed if price hike or security reasons:
Amoled Screen - up's the base price over $400.00 - $450.00 range.
Wireless Charging - up's the base price over $400.00 - $450.00 range.
Fingerprint Scanner security (reasons - Wiki-Leaks of NSA News of lately). *
USB-C - up's the base price and the additional expense to extra cables/chargers. *
Dual rear shooter cameras - up's the base price over $400.00 - $450.00 range. *
[* So many brands are moving to rear dual cameras, Moto X Pure 4th GEN needs to stay with the 21MP single camera.]
* = I personally don't want to see these added to Moto X Pure Edition 4th Generation.
Living up to Motorola's past brand loyalty and to spurring future growth in Lenovo - so bring on a 4th generation Moto X Pure Edition in the 4GB Ram/128GB Rom at a Base Pricing $400.00 - $450.00 range.
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I would add one option I'd like to see offered in the Moto X Pure 4th Generation.
For people like me with fat fingertips a holstered Stylus to use.
Typing can be a strain having to backup and retype and then to hitting small menu/ect. areas of the screen just right. My S. G. Note 3 offered this and was a fantastic aid to use - not talking about the other features it included as I never used that part - just the pin point accuracy it gave the user.
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Hope it'll be nothing like the Z . . . (add-on's)
BUT to using modern beefy guts inside the X Pure 4th GEN, allowing removable batteries with longer/better run times and so what if it's at a cost of loosing the spill/waterproof factor, that's a trade-off most can welcome to this phone model, else your packing a charger and need to be close to AC/DC support.
The X pure 3rd generation XT1575, I do like the radios bi-networks technology GSM/CDMA used and the switching of SIM's it allows for a greater feature of the most part in ones freedom to go with the best bang for the buck in a MVNO offering -Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint, U.S. Cellular, and have set that as one of the 1-5 spots in my top list of requirements to a phone now.
Givens to keep or improve on:
GSM/CDMA Radios
OCTA-CORE Snapdragon
Larger and Removable Battery
Same 5.7" screen size, improving bezel to screen size ratio with more than 520ppi.
Dual Stereo Speakers.
Add more RAM and ROM size 4GB/128GB - accept larger SD size 200GB up.
Rear shooter 21MP - up front shooter to at least 8MP
Frequent Updates.
Stock Android 7.0 Nougat Experience.
Not Needed if price hike or security reasons:
Amoled Screen - up's the base price over $400.00 - $450.00 range.
Wireless Charging - up's the base price over $400.00 - $450.00 range.
Fingerprint Scanner security (reasons - Wiki-Leaks of NSA News of lately). *
USB-C - up's the base price and the additional expense to extra cables/chargers. *
Dual rear shooter cameras - up's the base price over $400.00 - $450.00 range. *
[* So many brands are moving to rear dual cameras, Moto X Pure 4th GEN needs to stay with the 21MP single camera.]
* = I personally don't want to see these added to Moto X Pure Edition 4th Generation.
Living up to Motorola's past brand loyalty and to spurring future growth in Lenovo - so bring on a 4th generation Moto X Pure Edition in the 4GB Ram/128GB Rom at a Base Pricing $400.00 - $450.00 range.
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I can see your points. Instead of dual cameras, I think more focus needs to be put towards a better sensor and post processing software (and the ability for stock to do RAW of course). This would net gains in photo quality.
The AMOLED technology is rapidly growing and getting better so I don't think you'll see the same problems as you did in 2014. I agree with not having the dual camera. I still think we should have an option to get a phone with wireless charging, if you want to spend extra for it. I think it's idiotic the a way phone battery holds a charge, to go back to a phone with a removable battery. All you gotta do is come up with a way to make a phone last 18- 24 hours with a heavy usage. They havr have to go with USB-C, customers want new technology but still want to feel similarities from phones that they love. Keep this but upgrade that. That's the way to build a successful phone.
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The AMOLED technology is rapidly growing and getting better so I don't think you'll see the same problems as you did in 2014. I agree with not having the dual camera. I still think we should have an option to get a phone with wireless charging, if you want to spend extra for it. I think it's idiotic the a way phone battery holds a charge, to go back to a phone with a removable battery. All you gotta do is come up with a way to make a phone last 18- 24 hours with a heavy usage. They havr have to go with USB-C, customers want new technology but still want to feel similarities from phones that they love. Keep this but upgrade that. That's the way to build a successful phone.
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While AMOLED technology is improving, it is still prone to burn in. I've seen Galaxy S7s with burn in. I disagree with your statement about removable batteries though. Some individuals will use their phones more than 2 years or give it to family/friends. For a heavy users, there are a lot more charging cycles used. If they play CPU/GPU intensive games, there is also hear generated. This was a battery down much faster so having the ability to easily replace the battery can be a big deal. As far as a phone lasting 18-24 hours on heavy usage, this is a win/lose situation. It can be done but that means either getting a smaller screen and/or making the device thicker to accommodate a larger capacity battery. On that note, there is another good reason for removable batteries. On some phone models, companies like Anker have made larger capacity batteries with backplates to accommodate for those willing to sacrifice slim for long life. Even some OEMs did this. You can't do this with non removable batteries.
Honestly? I'd take a pure edition with an AMOLED display. I've never thought to myself, "damn, if only this phone had x".
About the updates though, seriously, can I get a phone for once that doesn't require a custom rom after a year to get the newest update? Moto phones are just about one step away from a nexus device, surely, it isn't hard for an entire company to push updates a bit faster.
thoughts on the Pure Edition
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While AMOLED technology is improving, it is still prone to burn in. I've seen Galaxy S7s with burn in. I disagree with your statement about removable batteries though. Some individuals will use their phones more than 2 years or give it to family/friends. For a heavy users, there are a lot more charging cycles used. If they play CPU/GPU intensive games, there is also hear generated. This was a battery down much faster so having the ability to easily replace the battery can be a big deal. As far as a phone lasting 18-24 hours on heavy usage, this is a win/lose situation. It can be done but that means either getting a smaller screen and/or making the device thicker to accommodate a larger capacity battery. On that note, there is another good reason for removable batteries. On some phone models, companies like Anker have made larger capacity batteries with backplates to accommodate for those willing to sacrifice slim for long life. Even some OEMs did this. You can't do this with non removable batteries.
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Same here. My last couple Samsungs burned in really bad in multiple places, and that's in addition to the green tint. Technology that is so susceptible to burn-in has no place on something that's going to be displaying static graphics. It's an absolute dealbreaker for me now for any device.
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About the updates though, seriously, can I get a phone for once that doesn't require a custom rom after a year to get the newest update? Moto phones are just about one step away from a nexus device, surely, it isn't hard for an entire company to push updates a bit faster.
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This is one of the few devices I've ever used that doesn't require a custom Rom. I could personally care less about "latest and greatest" though. Stability and functionality is the biggest concern for me. I know they've fallen a bit behind in the practice of rushing out updates, but the stock Rom is packed with a lot features not found in other devices, and we all remember how much of a disappointment the original Android M release turned out to be on this phone.
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Honestly? I'd take a pure edition with an AMOLED display. I've never thought to myself, "damn, if only this phone had x".
About the updates though, seriously, can I get a phone for once that doesn't require a custom rom after a year to get the newest update? Moto phones are just about one step away from a nexus device, surely, it isn't hard for an entire company to push updates a bit faster.
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Considering the phone is the 2015 flagship device, Lenovo is pretty much doing what other OEMs are doing. Best devices first (Z series, g4 series) then filter backwards. My wife has the Galaxy S6 and Samsung is just now starting to push updates. The S7 was first. While I understand the phone is nearly vanilla, it is not a Google device.
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Honestly? I'd take a pure edition with an AMOLED display. I've never thought to myself, "damn, if only this phone had x".
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That's usually never a thought just after a phone is released for retail, as one has narrowed the field in making an educated choice amongst all marketed competitors at it's release. Then as this -Thread is more a WISH LIST- for continuing on the Moto X Pure / Style line, leads way to "if only this phone had x,y,z" offered in a newer Moto X versions features wished by the users now and of that the manufacture would accommodate.
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Same here. My last couple Samsungs burned in really bad in multiple places, and that's in addition to the green tint. Technology that is so susceptible to burn-in has no place on something that's going to be displaying static graphics. It's an absolute dealbreaker for me now for any device.
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While AMOLED technology is improving, it is still prone to burn in. I've seen Galaxy S7s with burn in.
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Would it not be a wise choice to be implemented in the Android OS if possible by a device manufacture or offer an App for that - to use the screensaver feature as was done with older computer monitors.
That in turn now being applied to the related AMOLED screens in mobiles with that action of a screensaver taking over the phones display - if there is no keystrokes or screen registered movements for a specified duration of time.
It's more of a question of "Why Not" than a statement or an answer.
I'm wondering at what time frame and/or at what point (Screen Resolution) does a burn-in or ghosting happen?
Is it more or less all the same reference points between all manufactures using AMOLED screens?
Why hasn't someone made an Screensaver App to help this from happening?
Then one last thought, do you leave the screen in an "always on state" or what's the main cause to getting this effect on an AMOLED screens?
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Seen this on the XDA front page today (PC/Browser)
[APP][7.0+]Screen off timeout quick setting
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-screen-off-timeout-quick-setting-t3452152
Might help for ROM's with Nougat for Moto X Pure's.
I'd honestly love to see a small device like the 2013 Moto X. Still my favorite phone to date.
I think we need to set up a surveymonkey poll with these options, give it a month for people to answer, submit the link to Motorola so they can see which features are most important. If enough people vote on it, they'll see whether or not there's a demand for the X to come back and what features it should have!
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I think we need to set up a surveymonkey poll with these options, give it a month for people to answer, submit the link to Motorola so they can see which features are most important. If enough people vote on it, they'll see whether or not there's a demand for the X to come back and what features it should have!
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I'll Vote !
Might be good to include the Moto X Pure / Style Community over at Lenovo on the Poll or least give a link to it over there.
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-X-Phones/ct-p/MotoX
or
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/MOTO-X-DEVELOPER-EDITION/bd-p/273
Survey is up! https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/YVWZ6RQ
Moto X 4th Generation Survey
Tell me what features you would want to see!
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/YVWZ6RQ
So I am getting sick of the battery life of this device and charging twice a day just to get by... the QC helps but it isn't always a viable option for someone who is on the road/travels a lot. I am probably going to go back to my Moto G 2015 for the time being as I could get a full days use most of the time on a single charge and just selling my MXPE.
But now the question comes up as what to replace it with... Moto G 5th gen, Blu Pure XR, ZTE Axon 7 Mini, or ???
My requirements are simple, or so I think...
1) 4+ hours SOT, preferably 5+, in mixed signal environment of WiFi/LTE/3G and sometimes without the best signal strength (for reference, I currently get about 2.5 hours on MXPE)
2) 5.2"-5.7" screen with 1080p minimum resolution
3) Stock Android, "near" stock, or simple UI (no TouchWiz, EMUI, ZenUI, or other bloated UI) that allows easy use of replacement launcher
4) 64GB internal storage or 32GB internal+microSD
5) 3GB or more of RAM
6) Full AT&T network compatibility (GSM 850/1900 and LTE Band 2/4/5/12/17 and optionally 29/30)
7) Nougat or Marshmallow with a Nougat upgrade "guaranteed"
8) 3.5mm headphone jack
9) Dual band WiFi - 2.4 & 5Ghz
10) $300USD or less
Would be nice, but not essential...
1) Unlockable bootloader (implies root/custom recovery/ROM development community)
2) Front facing speakers
3) NFC
4) USB 3.0
Absolute no no's are Samsung, Asus, or Huawei/Honor devices.
What else fits these requirements that I am not considering?
I believe the one phone that comes to mind that would fit most of your requirements is the Axon. I took a break from the MXPE (when it flew off my roof and died a horrible death in a rain storm) and had the Axon 7 (normal size) for about a month. You will get NEAR 4 hours of SoT, a qhd screen, 5.5 inches, relatively light for metal body. Unlockable bootloader and decent dev for it, last I checked. Things that bothered me/ pissed me off were that DTTW was laggy and slow, the actual cell service seemed to be really bad, possibly because of the full metal body phone, and the biggest annoyance - no backlit capacitive buttons, so you were left sort of blind in the dark trying to hit buttons. There is also no way through the build.prop to enable the on-screen buttons to bypass the issue at night, last I checked.
LG V20 could be an option too since it has a bootloader unlock now, 3.5-4.5 hours of SoT. I think it has a bottom bezel speaker though, which is a little weird, and as always the LG software has complaints. The dev is good enough to get around that though.
I'm in the same boat as you though. I've been looking pretty hard to find a new phone and the V20 is the only one I am really considering right now.
Get the OnePlus 3T it meets all your needs I get easily 6 to 7 HR sot
datchico305 said:
Get the OnePlus 3T it meets all your needs I get easily 6 to 7 HR sot
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Would love to... tell me where I can get a new OP3T for under $300... That one is a hard stop requirement.
@xgerryx Same for LG V20 and Axon 7 (which never goes on sale, although the Mini does often), the $300 price point is a big deal
This phone has been a little disappointing. It's good, but definitely not great. It's a night and day difference from the Galaxy S3 I was using, but I wish I had held out a little longer for the SD 820 phones instead of buying in 2015.
It sounds like you've already got a pretty inclusive list for phones that are sold in the US and meet your requirements.
I just checked swappa, and if you're willing to go used, the OnePlus 3 is starting to get down towards the price point you're looking for. It has the same size battery as the MXP, and between the more efficient SoC than this godawful 808/810 generation and an FHD AMOLED I'd think you should get better screen on time out of it. It's a OnePlus so it has loads of good development, so you'll have all kinds of kernel/rom/tweaking available to really squeeze every erg out of it.
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This phone has been a little disappointing. It's good, but definitely not great. It's a night and day difference from the Galaxy S3 I was using, but I wish I had held out a little longer for the SD 820 phones instead of buying in 2015.
It sounds like you've already got a pretty inclusive list for phones that are sold in the US and meet your requirements.
I just checked swappa, and if you're willing to go used, the OnePlus 3 is starting to get down towards the price point you're looking for. It has the same size battery as the MXP, and between the more efficient SoC than this godawful 808/810 generation and an FHD AMOLED I'd think you should get better screen on time out of it. It's a OnePlus so it has loads of good development, so you'll have all kinds of kernel/rom/tweaking available to really squeeze every erg out of it.
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That actually could be an option... I will investigate further.
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Would love to... tell me where I can get a new OP3T for under $300... That one is a hard stop requirement.
@xgerryx Same for LG V20 and Axon 7 (which never goes on sale, although the Mini does often), the $300 price point is a big deal
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If you happen to be SUPER interested in the V20, I have seen some go for like 310-320 on Swappa in good to mint condition. You gotta hound the seller though and keep track of it all damn day for when the price drops. Not an awesome experience but I'm waiting for the same thing myself.
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If you happen to be SUPER interested in the V20, I have seen some go for like 310-320 on Swappa in good to mint condition. You gotta hound the seller though and keep track of it all damn day for when the price drops. Not an awesome experience but I'm waiting for the same thing myself.
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I'm not really interested... TBH, my experience with non-Nexus LG Android devices has been... well... lets just say less then wonderful.
Although I would have to say that the LG enV from years ago probably ranks up there as my favorite phone of all time, back when you could actually get DAYS of usage out of a cell phone on a single charge. I remember I would charge it twice a week. lol
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I'm not really interested... TBH, my experience with non-Nexus LG Android devices has been... well... lets just say less then wonderful.
Although I would have to say that the LG enV from years ago probably ranks up there as my favorite phone of all time, back when you could actually get DAYS of usage out of a cell phone on a single charge. I remember I would charge it twice a week. lol
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Yea I agree. After my terrible experience with the buggy LG G4, I'm very skeptical about going back again. At the same time I am running out of companies to try out! Haha. Gotta circle back eventually, especially on Verizon.
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Yea I agree. After my terrible experience with the buggy LG G4, I'm very skeptical about going back again. At the same time I am running out of companies to try out! Haha. Gotta circle back eventually, especially on Verizon.
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NEVER AGAIN!!! I refuse to drop $140 plus taxes and fees (realistically $160) for the service level I get now for $72 per month. Plus the limitations on devices, I would have to buy at least one new phone and/or go under contract. Nope, not happening. (Can you tell I have a grudge against Verizon, lol)
I would look around swappa for a OnePlus 3 or 3t it's worth it no bugs lag free and monthly updates it's already on nougat 7.1.1 and the beta builds they offer are great as well and development is great lots of greats ROMs and kernels and unlocking bootloader will not void warranty
TBH...I think you will have a hard time meeting all of your requirements right now. The market looks pretty dismal which is very unfortunate. I personally will hold out a little longer. I'm really looking hard at what Nokia/HMD are coming up with and hoping their roadmap for US devices includes a mid range device soon. So far their line up seems decent and if they are true to their word about expedient updates for Android, and they will sell devices with unlockable bootloaders at decent prices, I'll be sold.
moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
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moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
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Like @acejavelin stated, Samsung is not an option, and I agree with him. Yes they have great hardware for the most part, but a less powerful processor running vanilla, our near vanilla Android will run just as well considering the lack of heavy handed UX. I will admit the phone looks great hardware and looks wise, but I personally don't like the look and feel of Samsung TW.
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moving to a galaxy s8 plus, comes tomorrow
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Sammie's are to bloated... Every Samsung devices we have ever had has been problematic... Hope you enjoy yours though but I would never spend that kind of money on a phone.
I have a moto g5 plus as well, its pretty good. It's fast and smooth. Screen and camera are good too, but obviously not as good as the X style.
Yes mxpe battery sucks. I have to charge 2-3 times a day and am not even a heavy user. I know its more than your actual budget but better wait, save a bit more and probably the price will drop also and go for a OP 3T.
i know your problem man.. but why don't you wait for a nougat update?? why not? maybe they might fix up the battery drain issue!
there are barely very less phones which have dual front facing speakers.. market has got very saturated.. all look for flagship but they just don't think that having a good speakers is also a part of flagship project!
as per my personal opinion... this phone is just the best phone ive ever used (till 2015) but in upcoming era you will see more and more features
i will recommend you to wait and not hurry up to get a phone...
if you need a pure stock surely get nexus but just wait for new nexus phone.. maybe they might consider it as a flagship and the value might be cheap??
anyways if you're just asking for all the requirements my opinion (AXON 7) not just only for dual front facing speakers but also for the processor(sd 820),storage(64gb,6gb ram) expandable ovbio (256gb)
plot twist: has hybrid sim XD
but im legit that it'll be upgraded to android 'O'
but it cost around $350
think man.. public reviews are also good
it meets all the requirements but is as costly as mxpe
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i know your problem man.. but why don't you wait for a nougat update?? why not? maybe they might fix up the battery drain issue!
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Nougat can't "fix" our battery issue... Radio and display panel are hardware issues and that's where 75% of all battery drain is. It isn't even issues, it's just how much power they use normally. The SD808's radios are terribly inefficient, and the display panel uses more power than some small towns. If you think Nougat is going to noticably improve active use time, your kidding yourself.
To be honest, I might just pull my old Nexus 5 out if the drawer and switch to it... The battery life can't be much worse.
The sound aspect is less important. FF speakers are nice, but as long as I can hear a YouTube video in an average room and turn the ringer up enough u don't care.
I bought the MXPE as an upgrade to my G 2015 and it was on sale for under $250, and for the most part it is, I just didn't realize how bad the battery was, it is easily half of my G.
I got Axon 7 after X and can't be happier. I've had the A7 since August. Has the front speakers i wanted, nice beautiful Samsung screen. Battery is definitely better then X. Software was buggy at the beginning but they have improved it a lot. Axon 7 has been getting a lot of updates, doesn't mean it'll continue, we were the 1st ones to receive 7.0 with the exception of Google devices, and we are the only ones so far (afaik) to receive 7.1.1 with also the exception of Google devices.
It has its flaws but i love the phone. For the money you can't beat it. It's on sale now on newegg for $330.
I went to Best Buy to pick up a Moto G7. When I seen they had the Android One version of the Moto X4 on sale for $150 (3gb/32gb) and $200 (4gb/64gb), the G7 was no longer a consideration. Many would say that the G7 has a better display and more modern design. I'm personally not a fan of rear fingerprint sensors and was happy to avoid a "notch" (even though the teardrop isn't all that bad). The G7 being $300, I saved $100 and got a comparable CPU, same ram, same storage, better cameras, NFC, front firing speaker, and IP68 water proofing. The IP68 was important to me to because my main hobby is metal detecting and I'm outdoors a lot. Hoping for longer software updates as well being Android One. I love bone stock Android, I'm pretty stoked right now! lol I remember wanting one of these when they came out, but not bad enough to pay $400 for one.
I'm basically back. I ditched my iPhone SE and came back to Android. I really liked the design and form factor of the SE but it was time for an upgrade/larger display. I was actually able to pull $150 for it pretty quick, so my X4 only cost me $61 out of pocket with tax. I've had several Nexus devices in the past, my last being the 5X. I'm a stock Android fan that is far from a power user, main usage being calls, texts, and YouTube music. I don't game on my phone at all or take many pictures either. So as much as I would love to have a Pixel 3, I can't justify spending that much. The Android One X4 is seriously just perfect for me. I went with the 4gb/64gb variant mainly for the extra gb of ram, longevity factor. Happy to be back!
Goodbye IOS, gone for good.
Beyond Android Q, you will then be able to keep the phone updated with Lineage OS and most GSI's going forward. Congrats! ?
If you want the Google (Pixel 3) Camera I suggest starting with the download from the first link.
The second link gives some explanation of the camera features and why some work and other's don't.
I don't know 100% for sure if you need Google Services or Google Photos installed for the basic camera to work but I've read that MicroG will work as a substitute in custom roms in place of Google Services.
If that's too technical, just download the latest update from the first link and install as a normal app (I haven't used my new X4 yet but I think it will work w/o any issues).
https://forum.xda-developers.com/nokia-7-plus/themes/gcam-nokia-7-plus-t3905686
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/google-camera-mods/gcam-google-pixel-1-2-3-t3875663
ToastyOhms said:
I went to Best Buy to pick up a Moto G7. When I seen they had the Android One version of the Moto X4 on sale for $150 (3gb/32gb) and $200 (4gb/64gb), the G7 was no longer a consideration. Many would say that the G7 has a better display and more modern design. I'm personally not a fan of rear fingerprint sensors and was happy to avoid a "notch" (even though the teardrop isn't all that bad). The G7 being $300, I saved $100 and got a comparable CPU, same ram, same storage, better cameras, NFC, front firing speaker, and IP68 water proofing. The IP68 was important to me to because my main hobby is metal detecting and I'm outdoors a lot. Hoping for longer software updates as well being Android One. I love bone stock Android, I'm pretty stoked right now! lol I remember wanting one of these when they came out, but not bad enough to pay $400 for one.
I'm basically back. I ditched my iPhone SE and came back to Android. I really liked the design and form factor of the SE but it was time for an upgrade/larger display. I was actually able to pull $150 for it pretty quick, so my X4 only cost me $61 out of pocket with tax. I've had several Nexus devices in the past, my last being the 5X. I'm a stock Android fan that is far from a power user, main usage being calls, texts, and YouTube music. I don't game on my phone at all or take many pictures either. So as much as I would love to have a Pixel 3, I can't justify spending that much. The Android One X4 is seriously just perfect for me. I went with the 4gb/64gb variant mainly for the extra gb of ram, longevity factor. Happy to be back!
Goodbye IOS, gone for good.
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When I had to replace my Samsung S7's I bought Amazon Prime moto x4's. I found them to be every bit as good as the S7, more than adequate for me, and I liked the cleaner android experience. But then Pie started rolling out. I needed to stay on 8.1 because I use a phone recording app in my work and I could not root the Amazon Prime version.
Then I saw the best buy deal for $200 for the 4gb/64gb rootable X4 (Android One version). I replaced my three amazon prime versions, rooted the android one versions, and all is well. Sold one of the amazon prime versions, gave one to a relative, and turned the other one into a bedside clock and radio.
The only downside was the lack of wireless charging which I use for 99% of my charging (including a wireless charging dock in the car. I even have a few portable charges with built-in QI wireless charging). But a $12 wireless charger adapter that sits inside my case overcame that problem.
I think the moto x4 4gb/64gb Android one version for $200 is the best value in an Android phone right now.
I went to best buy and bought a Moto One, returned it for Moto X4 because there was no development for the Moto One.
HACK3DANDR0ID said:
I went to best buy and bought a Moto One, returned it for Moto X4 because there was no development for the Moto One.
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Smart move.
I also was looking for the best value for the lowest cost.
Continuous development gives a phone value over time, and thus I bought this phone (after $30 refund) new for $135 that had a long good two year history and continuous increased developmental work over time. Much better than buying an expensive new phone with no support. Part of that history also included a high carrier VoLTE coverage, also important. I expect this to be a big upgrade from my last phone (50% more RAM, 70-90% faster processor, and 100% more storage).
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I think the moto x4 4gb/64gb Android one version for $200 is the best value in an Android phone right now.
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Agreed! Yes, the design is a little dated with the display and 16:9 aspect ratio. I greatly prefer a front fingerprint sensor over rear and I am fine with what comes with that, larger bezels.
Stock Android, nice design/build quality, 1080p ips display, SD630, 4gb/64gb, solid cameras, NFC, ip68, USB C, headphone jack, and a front firing speaker for $200. You can't beat this. Especially if you need CDMA/Verizon support like I do.
One big thing Motorola always has over many other unlocked phones is CDMA support. I unfortunately can't utilize the many great GSM only unlocked phones on the market. Where I live in Wisconsin, Verizon and US Cellular are the only logical choices. Horrible AT&T / T Mobile coverage. I pay $105 a month for 3 lines on Verizon Prepaid, 15gb of data on each line. It's nice to have priority over the thousands of people in my area who use straight talk/total wireless (Verizon MVNOs) to. I used Straight Talk for a month on my iPhone SE and the data speed capped at 5mbps. After I switched to Verizon Prepaid, my data speeds are always around 50mbps.
I'm stock Android or nothing. I love that Motorola doesn't waste time and resources on ruining Android OS by skinning and bloating it. Motorola will always be my go to for unlocked phones for 3 reasons. CDMA support, stock Android, and Value.
Ditto, I'm a happy camper with my new Android One X4 (on Fi's software) 4G/64GB capacity, plus more storage with mSD card, mostly for pix & videos when we travel - for a net cost of about $80 including a nice Poetic heavy-duty case, after getting a $92/94 trade-in credit for an aging SS Galaxy S7 Edge with its infamous ghost screen (annoying as hell) that I had been using, since selling the Nexus 6 with a new battery on Swappa; and DW traded her Nexus 6P with the aging (45% capacity remaining) battery into Google, for a (gasp) Moto G6 - and got refunds, enough to get an integrated 4,000 mAh battery case for her all day (gaming) use.
Back on my impressions & likes on the Moto X4, memory & storage/expandable capacity, decent battery life, running Pie after a series of OTA update (probably leaving it stock, "restore" G.Pay (Magisk ... yeah, lots of constant attention) and NFC, and, of course, 3.5 mm headphone jack/front-facing (solo) speaker and a decent "hobby" piered camera for those travel & family photos (not great, good enough) and Android Auto that works (in-dash navigation, supported by our 2019 Hyundai Sonata on a 7" display ... was a pain with the G6, easy with the iPhone SE on Apple CarPlay). For our global travel needs, the X4 has more radio bands & flexibility than the G6 or G7, comparable to the newer iPhones - this should serve me well abroad on "Fi" supported partner/roaming cellular networks & VPN-enabled WiFi hotspots.
I kind of missed the slightly bigger 5.7" (18:9) G6 screen & sleek look but it is still on Oreo patched thru Jan. 2019 - probably at some point, unlock BL/root & load Lineage OS to keep it going, a year or more from now when DW wanted something better, she's happy with her "Fi" services & OTA updates for simplicity. I looked & considered the G7 and even the "Play" variant & the bigger screen, yet without NFC - not truly worth it for a marginal "upgrade" of incremental jump in values for money. For my XDA fun & challenges, I'm going next with a Xiaomi Mi/Redmi global dual-sim in the 6" factor (6.2" or 6.3" if I feel like it) running Android One, that should keep me busy.
All these done at minimal/subsidized Google Fi trade-in when promotions were being run between last year & now, I realized that both the G6 and X4 are getting bad trade-in, but I ain't paying $500+ for a Pixel 3/XL brand new, even with whatever generous trade-in & credits. For play, I got a Huawei Honor - dual sim, running Pie (Linerage OS) for travel & on WiFI, and, down to a good old iPhone SE (16GB only) with a Google Fi data-only sim, that's great for travel for VoIP (Ooma, G.Voice, WhatsApp, Duo, etc.) except that Fi blocked it from tethering ... including Apple CarPlay.
Lastly, I am running the X4 on T-Mobile's network and when traveling outside the USA, switch out the nano sim to Fi's data only sim, since I've been using our Google Voice's number, practically 95% of the calls are VoIP/WiFi calling (and, Ooma's mobile app for outbound call, using a ported "home" number.)