It has been quite interesting to watch all those threads for the above topic which of course lead to nowhere so far.
I would not exclude myself of the dispute, however we need to think of the issue in a practical methodology and thus conclude what the facts would lead to.
There has been many complaints and unhappy people about the battery life in Touch Pro and many other models. Just a simple question I ask; What would be an acceptable avarage battery life with one full charge? I am sure responses will vary coz there is no standard expectation nor a universal benchmark for this issue!
Whatever the vendor guarantees as an operating expectency measured in hours, is more or less what you gonna get although many wont accept it, but this is it, you gotta live with it!
There are 1000s of users with 10000s of applications and conditions that have high expectations, but they all get even results, so why complain?
What I am trying to highlight is if many have expressed their dissatisfaction of the battery life, I just say; who's right & who's not? Do we all expect to have the same results? My device may run for 3 days with one charge and couple of calls throughout, others may have tougher uses and expect a battery to last for 7 days in a row with just one single charge?
Just think about it and have a collective understanding.
Cyber-mate said:
It has been quite interesting to watch all those threads for the above topic which of course lead to nowhere so far.
I would not exclude myself of the dispute, however we need to think of the issue in a practical methodology and thus conclude what the facts would lead to.
There has been many complaints and unhappy people about the battery life in Touch Pro and many other models. Just a simple question I ask; What would be an acceptable avarage battery life with one full charge? I am sure responses will vary coz there is no standard expectation nor a universal benchmark for this issue!
Whatever the vendor guarantees as an operating expectency measured in hours, is more or less what you gonna get although many wont accept it, but this is it, you gotta live with it!
There are 1000s of users with 10000s of application and conditions that have high expectations, but they all get even results, so why complain?
What I am trying to highligh is if many have expressed their dissatisfaction of the battery life, I just say; who's right & who's not? Do we all expect to have the same results? My device may run for 3 days with one charge and couple of calls throughout, others may have tougher uses and expect a battery to last for 7 days in a row with just one single charge?
Just think about it and have a collective understanding.
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ya made a wise statement here.....couldn't agree more ...
yep, 2nd that
a wm device drains a lot more battery than other phones because it does sooo much more. and its not device specific either
maybe if someone creat app to change CPU to 200- 300 and so on if don`t used for heavy apps will incress battery life. In the PSP there is app like this ans when I used it only for play music set procesor to 100 Mhz
I have had the phone for a week now. I like it. I like how pretty much everything works. I don't see much of any problem but the battery life. Why didn't they put a larger battery in. My Mogul has a 1650 in it. Yesterday morning the phone had a complete charge. I went to worship and used it very little in the morning. By noon time where I showed the phone off to a friend who is thinking of getting one, the phone charge was down below 50%. It should have been 70 or 80% and no less, IMHO.
I've posted this link before on a different section.
http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/reviews/view.php?id=2726&cid=24&pg=6
I get nearly 4 hours as well if I use mine full on. Tried watching a full length movie and my battery meter shows ~50% afterwards.
I thought OP might be interested in seeing this review.
I don't think it's really an issue of someone being right or wrong. I think 24 hours is just a particular limit for cellphones, and once it dips below that we start to worry about the next time we'll be near a power plug. After all, these are devices that we use on a daily basis.
If the batteries lasted 2-3 days, then it wouldn't be a big deal if we forgot to charge once in a while (late night, canceled flight, forgot charger, etc). But as it is, people are having trouble pushing it past 24 hours even under modrate usage, which means if they miss even one charge cycle, they're dead in the water the next day.
Of course usage is a different issue; but if you start modifying your usage habits in an effort to prolong battery life, that's still the same problem. You could turn off 3G, stop mail checking, always close background apps, etc; but without any of those features you might as well use a regular dumbphone -- no point in getting a device like the Touch Pro in the first place.
Last week we went on a short holiday. Both my girlfriend and I have a TP running RomeOS v1.13. She has a GSM prepaid card and I have a GSM/3G/H card.
Her battery lasted 4 working days occasionally calling home to check on the kids and sending a few SMS messages.
I used my phone to check email and LIVE messenger. My battery lasted no more than 20 hours.
So if you by a full featured phone, just to use it as a basic phone you won't complain that much I think. If like me you want to use a full set of features pffffffff... And if you don't mind I would like to keep it at that
My first serious WM phone (I don't count the ridiculous HP 6315) was the Samsung i730. I am a very heavy user and I got used to charging it in he car & carrying a spare battery in my pocket. If it made it to 6PM without going dead I was happy.
The Touch Pro has the same screaming 528 mhz processor speed, plus a vga screen. If it makes it to the end of the day, then I'll be more than happy (haven't received mine yet, it's in the mail). There's always a trade off for speed and resolution. I'd rather carry an extra battery than have a frustratingly slow processor.
I've had my TP for a week now and with a pretty heavy usage, my messenger is almost always on, some internet browsing and a little bit of monkey island on scummvm, my battery lasts 2 days. I can live with that.
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I've had my TP for a week now and with a pretty heavy usage, my messenger is almost always on, some internet browsing and a little bit of monkey island on scummvm, my battery lasts 2 days. I can live with that.
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Which Messenger are you using? I'm trying to find a good Google Talk client that won't drain my battery.
The battery should be expected to last a day. Past that, would be nice, but I do not feel it is necessary...
If the phone won't even last me a day (and "a day" for me is 14-16 hours at school and work) then it really isn't going to work for me. I hate trying to search for 5-10 minutes to have the phone plugged in during the middle of the day to try to extend the battery to make it just past that 12 hour mark for me.
The CDMA Touch Pro doesn't seem to do too well. Sitting idle, it had about 40% battery after 14 hours, but then dropped extremely quickly after that... I must have sent 10-12 texts and was in a call for about 10 minutes the entire day, no programs running in the background, only the cell radio turned on.
Cyber-mate said:
It has been quite interesting to watch all those threads for the above topic which of course lead to nowhere so far.
I would not exclude myself of the dispute, however we need to think of the issue in a practical methodology and thus conclude what the facts would lead to.
There has been many complaints and unhappy people about the battery life in Touch Pro and many other models. Just a simple question I ask; What would be an acceptable avarage battery life with one full charge? I am sure responses will vary coz there is no standard expectation nor a universal benchmark for this issue!
Whatever the vendor guarantees as an operating expectency measured in hours, is more or less what you gonna get although many wont accept it, but this is it, you gotta live with it!
There are 1000s of users with 10000s of applications and conditions that have high expectations, but they all get even results, so why complain?
What I am trying to highlight is if many have expressed their dissatisfaction of the battery life, I just say; who's right & who's not? Do we all expect to have the same results? My device may run for 3 days with one charge and couple of calls throughout, others may have tougher uses and expect a battery to last for 7 days in a row with just one single charge?
Just think about it and have a collective understanding.
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I agree with you 100% - except here is the problem: the vendor guarantees (well, doesn't "guarantee", but no vendor really "guarantees") a battery life that is absolutely not right.
On the Touch Pro, Sprint says the phone has a standby of 406 hours - that's 16 days! Incredibly misleading, and in my estimation definitely not accurate. That's the biggest problem I have with the whole battery issue.
Also, in comparison, my Mogul was suppose to have 340 hours of standby and 30% less talk time - but my Mogul lasted a LOT longer than this phone. I could talk, surf, play games, and have it still last longer than this phone. That doesn't make any sense.
eryeal said:
I agree with you 100% - except here is the problem: the vendor guarantees (well, doesn't "guarantee", but no vendor really "guarantees") a battery life that is absolutely not right.
On the Touch Pro, Sprint says the phone has a standby of 406 hours - that's 16 days! Incredibly misleading, and in my estimation definitely not accurate. That's the biggest problem I have with the whole battery issue.
Also, in comparison, my Mogul was suppose to have 340 hours of standby and 30% less talk time - but my Mogul lasted a LOT longer than this phone. I could talk, surf, play games, and have it still last longer than this phone. That doesn't make any sense.
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Alright, alright, alright! Let's not mention the biggest and silliest gimmick PPC vendors made us believe in specially those of high-end CPU ones
I might have been worng in choosing "guarantee", but who says! When you read "Stand-by" I am sure that the vendor wouldn't in gods name mean "with any GSM/CDMA network"! I mean just think about't!! Why in heavens name would they shoot themselves in the foot by committing such a thing
I could defy anyone who would tell me that "Stand by" is a standard by itself! Haven't you read "The above are subject to network and phone usage" in phone specs?
In addition to the above, network signal strength matters and is very fundemental to extend/shorten battery life too!
Whether or not the battery was of 1300mAh or 1600mAh, it is all the CPU power management and I am pretty sure that Qualcomm is unlike the Intel XScale as the olden memories remind me of
Like most of you rightly said; change your habit and the battery life will change accordingly.
Just a last lil thought, why isn't there a quick options made available in the market for a higher amperage batteries? If one would care about the total gram units, then I recommend to live with the supplied battery.
Let's all cherish the memory of the HTC Universal, that baby was a hot long-lusty orgasmic son of gun device ever was.
I feel the term "standby time" has been used loosely, never in working with wireless phones have I found a machine that is capable of being on this long without being charged. Notice the "up to" that is always there on these kinds of stats too. What does up to mean? Probably something to do with turning off all the radios so the phone can't actually do anything, it might as well be off.
No matter what you do, computers require a lot of power to maintain themselves in any sort of "on" state. If there are any background processes happening (i.e. cellular radio sniffing for incoming calls and sms) you are really only burning power at a rate less than that of radios + screen.
Phones consume more power than phones did even a few years ago, hell they consume a lot more. Does anyone remember first-gen digital phones? 2 hours battery life, talk/standby, didn't make a difference. In fact the batteries used in mobile phones have changed (lion/nicad etc) probably a lot less than the manufacturers' ability to use less power to get the job done.
You can always strap on a bigger battery, but then you have a bigger phone, making it even HEAVIER!
Ultimately, as others have posted before me, that when you buy a touch pro, it is because you are looking for all the functionality that the machine entails. If you use all of the functions at the same time you are burning the candle at both ends. We buy a phone with a gps, bluetooth, wifi, 3g, vga screen qwerty, 3.2mp camera, etc because we need (or want) all of these features at the same time. When you are using the gps while having bluetooth on visible, screen full bright, wifi still on and music playing, don't be surprised your battery won't get you through the day.
I think that the general consensus here is that typically we should be able to get about 1 day out of the pro. Any more, we are lucky, any less, you either have a defective unit or you may have unrealistic expectations of the device.
That being said, after a few weeks go by and you find yourself actually being able to put the damn phone down for a while, battery life will seem longer too
My experience:
I've come from an XScale phone, which runs Linux and doesn't have 10% of what Pro does (like GPS, wifi, 3G, SDHC support, VGA screen, G sensor, light sensor, etc.) and even without all that it doesn't have a great battery life. I had to recharge it everyday sometimes, because I had pretty heavy use (especially A2DP audio).
With the Pro I can do that and much more and still get at least a full day of battery, which for me is good enough.
Tell me one device that has the same size does everything the Pro does with better battery life.
Unfortunately we are still to see better batteries, which I've read a lot about, especially that nanowire technology which supposedly makes them 10x better, but until then there isn't much we can do. So I don't think it's fair to blame a manufacturer, HTC or not, for poor battery life, because IMHO they did an impressive job on making such a small device with so much power, and still manage a full day of moderate use.
I find that TF3D is a real power hog too. Although I really like the interface, I am trying a run with SPB Mobile Shell instead
It is 3:30PM EST now, I unplugged the phone after a solid charge at 8PM, immediately changing to SPBMS.
It is now about 20 hours later and I have 63% remaining, that is a 37% discharge. I have been using the phone normally for the purpose of this experiment and normally the phone would be at about 30% remaining with tf3d.
There is a thread about this here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441767
Hi All,
I'm wondering if besides the GPS, WiFi, 3G and Bluetooth.... the application processor, running at 528MHZ is not a cause for this poor battery life time?
Adrian
The reasons why we read many different opinions is that people use phones in very different ways. I can usually cope with the short battery life but sometimes it is really annoying. It just needs a few hours in a bad coverage area and the battery drains completely. Or an unexpected need for TomTom to make the battery go flat before I get back home in the evening. I used an HTC P3600 (which is a very similar phone from a featureset point of view) for two years and I never had to worry not to listen to music at the airport or on a plane because I wouldn't be able to use the phone after landing. Instead I have had this problem already twice with the Pro... this terrible battery life is really spoiling my user experience with this phone.
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Tell me one device that has the same size does everything the Pro does with better battery life.
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Well, as I said in my previous post, discounting the hardware keyboard and the fact that it wasn't a very attractive phone my old HTC P3600 used to do exactly the same things with a much longer battery life.
[Cross posted at Nexus One General]
Since I got the Nexus One over a month ago, I've realized that its battery life is somewhat problematic. However, it lasted long enough to go about my day, especially considering that I always had a charger at my disposal.
I use it chiefly for listening to music, so I naturally brought it with me when I did the annual NYC Century Bike Tour. I wanted to record a GPS track of my ride (I rode the 100 mile path) but knew it would probably kill my battery really fast, so I used my G1 and RMap as my GPS device.
The Nexus One had NOTHING except for phone service (on EDGE), TouchDown (Exchange email push) and music (with Mixzing, recommendations off, equalizer on) on for the ride. The G1 only had its GPS radio on, nothing else. Both devices spent most of their time with the screen off.
The G1 was dead in about three hours. The Nexus One was dead in five. FIVE hours! Brand new device! That's not bad battery life; that's just unacceptable. My iPhone 3GS certainly lasted longer than that. Even my old Windows Mobile HTC Raphael outlasted the both of them!
What can I do about this? I'm willing to get a bigger battery at this point, but I don't want to buy one and realize that the OS is really at fault here (like I think it is).
When I buyed my first android phone I tought that with gtalk always connected it will suck all my battery but I use my Galaxy S during all day with at least 1h30 of music by bluetooth and a lot
of net browsing, installing, modding and at the end of the day I still have battery to go out and charge it after. Oh and my phone has a bigger screen (more battery use) so you might have a battery issue or maybe you let wifi bluetooth and all hardware on during the day ....
was background data / autosync on? That tends to kill my battery. Also,you should check your device's battery usage via different apps from settings > about phone > battery.
The percentages are not of the battery % but what percentage of the overall usage is taken up by what. You may be having a non-sleep issue with the N1 because of apps you have on it thats not on the G1
Different processes
I could be wrong but the Qualcomm's Snapdragon processors in Android phones (N1, Incredible, Droid X, and Droid 2) are made with a 65nm process rather than a 45nm process like the Apple's A4 processor (iPhone) and Samsung's Hummingbird processor (all Galaxy series). Chips made with the 45nm process have lower power consumptions.
While I can get through the day without it dying, using heavy apps runs it flat in two hours, while some report 8 hours.
This needs an objective test that uses all the phone hardware the same way. Considering some units tend to heat a lot and others don't, there's something just flat out wasting power in some units.
At least looking at processor power usage, I hear from some that they can get 6-8 hours of Angry Birds Rio, while that runs me down in two hours from a max charge. At least on this fairly objective metric, play this game actively from a full charge and see how soon you get the 15% warning, and post findings. "20 hours with moderate use" is hard to understand as browsing pulls 1000x the energy of standby and it is very ambiguous how much reading vs scrolling vs rendering flash vs data is actually being used.
An hour or so of Grave Defense HD took me from full to 5%!
im getting the best battery life ive ever gotten out of this phone on eblood 2.3.3 after battery stats wipe...
Max battery life with GB - 4 or so hours with the phone sitting idle. I've watched battery indicator for from 100% to 2% watching a half hour of a movie.
I'm going back to using a Rzar. Seriously. Windows Moblie is the only OS for smartphone I will use from now on.
[Yes, I've tried different roms and battery calibration - I'm too damn old and have too busy of a life to be doing Androids and LGs jobs. If its not correct out the box then its crap.]
Damn, I wish it was this easy, but there are just too many variables. Today, my G2x has been off charger for almost 6 hours and I have 93% battery!!! I have wifi on and google update, weather bug and score mobile all doing background updates. Under the exact same conditions yesterday I had a "get pretty warm with reboot" about 4PM and my battery was then at 50%. And then there are the days I get the "get real hot by the camera with BSOD needing a battery pull". Depending on how quickly I realize that, I can lose my whole battery. I running stock 2.2.2.
Too many errant pointers. I don't believe I can blame it on the hardware...
I'm looking for used phone and Pixel 3 seems to tick all the boxes.
I did check the Wikipedia page though, and there's a fairly disturbingly big list of various issues. Is this still relevant these days?
If you mean these issues (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_3#Issues), I have not encountered any of them. I have a Pixel 3, not the XL version. I have had it for a couple of years, and have been very satisfied with it.
Alright. What about the battery life I keep seeing brough up a lot? I used to have Xperia XZ2 Compact, which has pretty much the same capacity and almost identical display resolution, and I had no problems at all. Not playing games and not watching Youtube either, ever.
I go two days between charges, but I am not a heavy user. No games, nor videos, and not a lot of screen time. I use this app to limit the charge to 80%. https://github.com/sriharshaarangi/BatteryChargeLimit
That is supposed to extend the overall life of the battery. It is usually down to 45% - 50% after two days. I could probably go four days between charges, but draining it too low also reduces battery life.
it's been about 2 years now with my p3 and still I'm not willing to ditch it, it's a great phone. only downside is battery, if only it was bigger.. it would be still the best phone lol, nowadays all phones are just too big... with low usage i can get through the whole day on a single charge though
After a very few months with the phone, I have to say it's pure ****.
The batterybarely lasts one day despite not playing games or watching Youtube.
The phone also randomly restarts and gets stuck in millions of reboot loops.
The camera is ok, but not so awesome everyone says. Maybe if they put real glass over the sensor, I don't know.
WalrusInAnus said:
After a very few months with the phone, I have to say it's pure ****.
The batterybarely lasts one day despite not playing games or watching Youtube.
The phone also randomly restarts and gets stuck in millions of reboot loops.
The camera is ok, but not so awesome everyone says. Maybe if they put real glass over the sensor, I don't know.
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Wow, certainly not my experience. After the first couple of updates, I've not had a single issue. I did have an overheating issue the other day using hotspot. For my use, battery lasts for a day, but requires nightly charging.
Agree, my camera definition is "good enough" still not a DSLR replacement.