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AT&T or T-Mobile for unlocked S8+ ?

The backstory.... Preordered an ATT Note 7 and had many headaches with delivery / billing. I am now living with my old Note3 using Goggle Voice/Hangouts because of my weak signal (all carriers) at home. I'm using a pre-paid Straight Talk plan when away from home.
I've been waiting patiently for the S8+ and now need to decide between AT&T and T-Mobile for a GSM phone. I plan on paying full cash price and having it unlocked to use a 3rd part prepaid plan (Straight Talk or ?).
I considered a factory unlocked phone (Best Buy, May 9th??) but I am told that those will also have a locked bootloader. Up until the Note 7 I always ran rooted with custom ROMS. I became a big fan of Samsung Pay which I think also means a locked bootloader with no root is needed. Of coarse, bloatware sucks. I had good luck with Package Disabler Pro on my Note 7. I will be using my Google number, if only for forwarding to another number. WiFi calling is a must one way or another.
My Note 7 from ATT let me run Mobile Hotspot at the same time WiFi was enabled. This made it easy for giving my Android head unit in my car Internet access. The T-mobile version at the time needed to be turned on and off.
I'm leaning toward T-mobile only because of my bad blood with ATT. ATT coverage is marginally better in my area.
Thoughts, comments.

Either and flash the OS on it with ODIN. It is the same hardware so it doesnt matter.

mweinbach said:
Either and flash the OS on it with ODIN. It is the same hardware so it doesnt matter.
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Yes and also if the T-Mobile version is going to have an unlocked bootloader, flashing T-Mobile firmware should allow you to unlock it through the OS.
But it's highly unlikely it will have an unlocked bootloader, although T-Mobile have supported it, I don't think it's happening.

No unlocked bootloaders on u.s.a. Carriers....

SBERG117 said:
No unlocked bootloaders on u.s.a. Carriers....
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I get that if you buy a carrier phone and then unlock it. But what about the factory unlocked phones sold in the US?
I've heard that the bootloader on those phones is also locked, but not from a real good source of info. I've also heard international versions do not have a locked bootloader and do not support Samsung Pay. They also do not support CDMA (which doesn't bother me at all).

Interceptor777 said:
Yes and also if the T-Mobile version is going to have an unlocked bootloader, flashing T-Mobile firmware should allow you to unlock it through the OS.
But it's highly unlikely it will have an unlocked bootloader, although T-Mobile have supported it, I don't think it's happening.
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If I flash via ODIN does that kill Samsung Pay? What about Knox?

Phredeee said:
The backstory.... Preordered an ATT Note 7 and had many headaches with delivery / billing. I am now living with my old Note3 using Goggle Voice/Hangouts because of my weak signal (all carriers) at home. I'm using a pre-paid Straight Talk plan when away from home.
I've been waiting patiently for the S8+ and now need to decide between AT&T and T-Mobile for a GSM phone. I plan on paying full cash price and having it unlocked to use a 3rd part prepaid plan (Straight Talk or ?).
I considered a factory unlocked phone (Best Buy, May 9th??) but I am told that those will also have a locked bootloader. Up until the Note 7 I always ran rooted with custom ROMS. I became a big fan of Samsung Pay which I think also means a locked bootloader with no root is needed. Of coarse, bloatware sucks. I had good luck with Package Disabler Pro on my Note 7. I will be using my Google number, if only for forwarding to another number. WiFi calling is a must one way or another.
My Note 7 from ATT let me run Mobile Hotspot at the same time WiFi was enabled. This made it easy for giving my Android head unit in my car Internet access. The T-mobile version at the time needed to be turned on and off.
I'm leaning toward T-mobile only because of my bad blood with ATT. ATT coverage is marginally better in my area.
Thoughts, comments.
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I'm in a similar situation and my first concern is what bands both phones support. Online it seems AT&T covers both GSM providers perfectly. The info on T-Mobile and its bands is extremely lacking. My second concern is the process of unlocking either fully paid off phone for use on the other. I think I can have TMobile unlock it for me but I'm not sure how it works with AT&T. The easiest solution is the unlocked version but thats not even got a release date set in writing anywhere.

Phredeee said:
If I flash via ODIN does that kill Samsung Pay? What about Knox?
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As long you are flashing official firmware from Samsung nothing will break. Knox will not be tripped and Samsung Pay will work.

954wrecker said:
I'm in a similar situation and my first concern is what bands both phones support. Online it seems AT&T covers both GSM providers perfectly. The info on T-Mobile and its bands is extremely lacking. My second concern is the process of unlocking either fully paid off phone for use on the other. I think I can have TMobile unlock it for me but I'm not sure how it works with AT&T. The easiest solution is the unlocked version but thats not even got a release date set in writing anywhere.
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It is my understanding that all US (Snapdragon) phones cover all bands, including CDMA. That means you could even take an unlocked AT&T phone to Verizon. I'm not used to that! It even has LTE-U which TMo is supposed to be soon supporting.
I am an ex AT&T customer. They unlocked my Note 7, and again with the replacement, without issue. I seem to remember there was a wait period at first. 7 or 14 days?
The thing I'm considering is also the VR incentives for pre-ordering. I can tell you AT&T messed up my Note 7 pre-order. They shipped it on the release day by a slow method. I ended up going to a store and buying one outright and returning the unopened one once it arrived. That caused a billing nightmare that I had to call them every months until I finally turned it in and closed my account.

Phredeee said:
It is my understanding that all US (Snapdragon) phones cover all bands, including CDMA. That means you could even take an unlocked AT&T phone to Verizon. I'm not used to that! It even has LTE-U which TMo is supposed to be soon supporting.
I am an ex AT&T customer. They unlocked my Note 7, and again with the replacement, without issue. I seem to remember there was a wait period at first. 7 or 14 days?
The thing I'm considering is also the VR incentives for pre-ordering. I can tell you AT&T messed up my Note 7 pre-order. They shipped it on the release day by a slow method. I ended up going to a store and buying one outright and returning the unopened one once it arrived. That caused a billing nightmare that I had to call them every months until I finally turned it in and closed my account.
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Can you recall where you read the carrier versions support all the bands just like the unlocked versions? All the info I found from the carriers shows different bands on each model.

Phredeee said:
I get that if you buy a carrier phone and then unlock it. But what about the factory unlocked phones sold in the US?
I've heard that the bootloader on those phones is also locked, but not from a real good source of info. I've also heard international versions do not have a locked bootloader and do not support Samsung Pay. They also do not support CDMA (which doesn't bother me at all).
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You're missing what I'm saying... There will be no unlocked bootloaders on any Samsung S8 phones for the USA. You cannot get one from carrier or factory.
I think you may be mixing up Bootloader unlock and Sim unlock....

954wrecker said:
Can you recall where you read the carrier versions support all the bands just like the unlocked versions? All the info I found from the carriers shows different bands on each model.
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I do remember that it was a story about FCC approval of the factory unlocked (SIM) phone. Keep that in mind that it may be the unbranded, factory unlocked phone only, but the article did say they were all the same. The locked carrier phones may not be so flexible.
Other things I've found.. Best Buy SIM unlocked does not get the incentives. Best Buy, and their cheaper price, does not seem to offer a T-Mo phone.
The VR incentive is attractive to me, but is not a must have. At this moment, until I can find out for sure if Samsung Pay will work on an international version, I am leaning towards a T-Mo pre-order. But that is me and my preferences YMMV. I have a major dislike for AT&T.
Looking for where I read it. In the mean time this may be interesting to you.
Model numbers http://techbeasts.com/list-of-samsung-galaxy-s8-galaxy-s8plus-model-numbers/
Frequencies https://www.frequencycheck.com/models/OyqBp/samsung-sm-g955a-galaxy-s8-td-lte-samsung-dream
The link is for the AT&T model search for other models.

954wrecker said:
Can you recall where you read the carrier versions support all the bands just like the unlocked versions? All the info I found from the carriers shows different bands on each model.
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It appears that going by this information the factory unlocked and the AT&T are NOT the same https://www.frequencycheck.com/compare-devices/6MQWs05y/samsung-sm-g950a-galaxy-s8-td-lte-samsung-dream/samsung-sm-g950f-galaxy-s8-td-lte-samsung-dream
You're correct that it seems T-mo info is evasive.

Hello,
I would like to know, if it posible to buy the Galaxy S8 from the samsung web page (att version), then unlock it and after that flash the unlocked rom flashing it with odin.
Can someone help me?
thanks.

Just ordered the 955F from Clove...
I'm hoping that missing bands won't hurt my AT&T usage much. Or any prepaid sims I may throw in there.
Will see if the 955U info comes out before my phone, and will decide if I want to cancel.
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Likelyhood bootloader 6t

I wonder what the likelyhood that oneplus 6t will have a locked bootloader if I get it from tmobile. I know you can get the unlocked version directly from oneplus.

I read somewhere that the bootloader will be locked until your're done paying off the phone. Then they will unlock the bootloader.

nofroyo said:
I wonder what the likelyhood that oneplus 6t will have a locked bootloader if I get it from tmobile. I know you can get the unlocked version directly from oneplus.
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Unfortunately yes :/ just read it I think on the T-Mobile news app. Could have been from XDA though. I guess you can get it unlocked once you pay off half the phone.
I am on jump on demand, so I was ready to jump all over this! Tired of the lock bootloaders on my Samsung phones. I've had Samsung from the Galaxy 5 all the way up to the 9 obviously all snapdragon and all the "notes" in between. There's some awesome developers on here but no one has been able to unlock the bootloader I believe since Galaxy 6 :/
The jump on demand program is great since I like having the latest and greatest without having to Shell out the cash. Also the T-Mobile 6t version won't be a dual SIM card either.
Anyone please chime in and tell me something different .. haven't been rooted for a while, hopefully I missed something.

I have a T-Mo mobile and I confirm it's locked

Go to Tmobile and buy the phone outright or if on a plan, pay it off.
OR
Don't buy the Tmobile branded OP6

dgunn said:
Go to Tmobile and buy the phone outright or if on a plan, pay it off.
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Don't buy the Tmobile branded OP6
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Such brilliant insight!!

You should look here.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-6t/how-to/buy-t-mobile-oneplus-6t-t3860314

qbanlinxx said:
Such brilliant insight!!
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Exactly
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T-Mobile Unlocked Bootloader

Looking to clear up some questions I have in regards to Unlocking the Bootloader on a T-Mobile version of the OnePlus 7 Pro. I'm sure others will have similar questions being that T-Mobile will be the only Carrier / Store in the US that will have the phone available for purchase in-store this Friday.
After doing some research it appears the T-Mobile OnePlus 6T Bootloader can be unlocked if you request and are granted a SIM Unlock from T-Mobile. As shown here on the OnePlus website
https://support.oneplus.com/app/ans...-bootloader-for-oneplus-6t-(t-mobile-edition)
Sure, its required to wait 7 days for the bootloader unlock request to process but other then that it seems straight forward. I am aware of T-Mobile being hit or miss when requesting a Sim unlock if the Device is not fully paid off but if the device is paid in full the unlock process should be as straight forward as described on the website correct?
And after unlocking the bootloader will there be any differences between an International OnePlus 7 unlocked bootloader vs a T-Mobile unlocked bootloader? ( besides the only hardware difference being the Dual sim )
Will Custom roms be Universal between both version?... So many questions!
Hopefully someone who has gone through the T-Mobile boot loader unlock process on the 6T can clear some questions up.

You can bootloader unlock the T-Mobile variant 6t without having to simunlock, just requires some extra steps to achieve without having to payoff phone or contact T-Mobile. You can order the dual SIM tray to get dual SIM working as well once unlocked, I'm sure the opo 7pro will be the same way, no hardware differences.

Everything should pretty much work with it as well. Just did the same process for a friend's pixel through tmo..I have fully converted 2 fajitas since Novembers launch. One will sim unlock and the other via sorcery.

My experience was different - T-mobile refused to unlock my phone unless I used it for over 40 days on their network. This was despite me being a 2+ year customer on a 12 person family plan and planning on staying on after as well, paying outright for the device, and requesting an unlock via support. Wasn't able to get the 64 digit unlock code through fastboot because my 7 Pro wasn't SIM unlocked.
Whole process pissed me off enough that I'm gonna return the phone and buy it off the OnePlus website instead.

harsh2193 said:
My experience was different - T-mobile refused to unlock my phone unless I used it for over 40 days on their network. This was despite me being a 2+ year customer on a 12 person family plan and planning on staying on after as well, paying outright for the device, and requesting an unlock via support. Wasn't able to get the 64 digit unlock code through fastboot because my 7 Pro wasn't SIM unlocked.
Whole process pissed me off enough that I'm gonna return the phone and buy it off the OnePlus website instead.
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Well you should attempt to call them again, say that you travel a lot and that's the reason why you paid the phone off, I hear stories that some reps will consider unlocking it for you, just gotta give them a story. I would attempt again before returning it and having to pay that restocking fee.

Purest said:
Well you should attempt to call them again, say that you travel a lot and that's the reason why you paid the phone off, I hear stories that some reps will consider unlocking it for you, just gotta give them a story. I would attempt again before returning it and having to pay that restocking fee.
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I called them 4 times, and after being put on hold everytime they wouldn't even let me get my receipt. Apparently what they mean by "email receipt" is that they'll send you the document on a My T-Mobile account that can only be accessed by the owner of the account (in my case, I'm on a family plan with the owner in a different city). Long story short - They wouldn't let me do anything, even though my name was associated with the account. I complained enough that they said they'll waive the restocking fee, but it was a customer service nightmare. Already got the phone on OnePlus's website, and thank god for that. T-Mobile charged me 790 bucks in CA for just the phone. OnePlus gave me the phone, 6 months of accidental screen damage protection, a 60 dollar case and earphones bundle and 3 day shipping for 770.

harsh2193 said:
I called them 4 times, and after being put on hold everytime they wouldn't even let me get my receipt. Apparently what they mean by "email receipt" is that they'll send you the document on a My T-Mobile account that can only be accessed by the owner of the account (in my case, I'm on a family plan with the owner in a different city). Long story short - They wouldn't let me do anything, even though my name was associated with the account. I complained enough that they said they'll waive the restocking fee, but it was a customer service nightmare. Already got the phone on OnePlus's website, and thank god for that. T-Mobile charged me 790 bucks in CA for just the phone. OnePlus gave me the phone, 6 months of accidental screen damage protection, a 60 dollar case and earphones bundle and 3 day shipping for 770.
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I had this same issue when I had to get my OP6T sim unlocked from T-Mo. I called a bunch of times and they kept telling me no. As soon as I sent a tweet to the T-Mo support handle, they had it sim unlocked within a day. I didn't even have one payment made at that point. I've seen a lot of people have way more success with T-Mo twitter support since it's more of a marketing ploy it seems.

Xshooter726 said:
Looking to clear up some questions I have in regards to Unlocking the Bootloader on a T-Mobile version of the OnePlus 7 Pro. I'm sure others will have similar questions being that T-Mobile will be the only Carrier / Store in the US that will have the phone available for purchase in-store this Friday.
After doing some research it appears the T-Mobile OnePlus 6T Bootloader can be unlocked if you request and are granted a SIM Unlock from T-Mobile. As shown here on the OnePlus website
https://support.oneplus.com/app/ans...-bootloader-for-oneplus-6t-(t-mobile-edition)
Sure, its required to wait 7 days for the bootloader unlock request to process but other then that it seems straight forward. I am aware of T-Mobile being hit or miss when requesting a Sim unlock if the Device is not fully paid off but if the device is paid in full the unlock process should be as straight forward as described on the website correct?
And after unlocking the bootloader will there be any differences between an International OnePlus 7 unlocked bootloader vs a T-Mobile unlocked bootloader? ( besides the only hardware difference being the Dual sim )
Will Custom roms be Universal between both version?... So many questions!
Hopefully someone who has gone through the T-Mobile boot loader unlock process on the 6T can clear some questions up.
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I'm going to try to flash my op6t unlock.bin on op7 pro just to see what happens. I'll report back.
On the way to T-Mobile now

lupascu.marius said:
I had this same issue when I had to get my OP6T sim unlocked from T-Mo. I called a bunch of times and they kept telling me no. As soon as I sent a tweet to the T-Mo support handle, they had it sim unlocked within a day. I didn't even have one payment made at that point. I've seen a lot of people have way more success with T-Mo twitter support since it's more of a marketing ploy it seems.
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The way I see it, if that's how the customer experience is gonna be for something so minor, I don't wanna go back to them with bigger issues with the 7 Pro if or when I face them.

harsh2193 said:
The way I see it, if that's how the customer experience is gonna be for something so minor, I don't wanna go back to them with bigger issues with the 7 Pro if or when I face them.
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That's definitely how I felt after the whole ordeal. It left a sour taste in my mouth, but that $300 trade-in deal they had for the 6T was too good to pass up.
Haven't bought a carrier phone since the first Google Nexus days, so I thought maybe the carriers have changed since then. Bad mistake, back to buying unlocked only going forward again lol, I just ordered the OP7 Pro straight from OnePlus this morning.

twinnfamous said:
i'm going to try to flash my op6t unlock.bin on op7 pro just to see what happens. I'll report back.
On the way to t-mobile now
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lemme know!

So the T-Mobile oneplus 7 pro should be able to be rooted and sim and bootlooder unlocked like the T-Mobile oneplus 6? Thanks In advance!!!
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GDane1 said:
So the T-Mobile oneplus 7 pro should be able to be rooted and sim and bootlooder unlocked like the T-Mobile oneplus 6? Thanks In advance!!!
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Yes and guys that unlock bin is unique to a specific device, imei, and serial number ... Lol ... Talk to TMO on Twitter, they will unlock early if u have a tenure. Soon as we have a MSM tool we can prob decrypt and make a backdoor..

I was able to call into TMobile this morning and get my device unlocked even with financing. I just told them that I would be traveling for 3 months and the temporary unlock is for only 2 months and I didn't want to have to call in on that 3rd month to fight and get a 3rd month temp unlock. They agreed with me and said that I was approved to get it permanently unlocked. As soon as I got off the call I used the app to unlock my phone.

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Purest said:
You can bootloader unlock the T-Mobile variant 6t without having to simunlock, just requires some extra steps to achieve without having to payoff phone or contact T-Mobile. You can order the dual SIM tray to get dual SIM working as well once unlocked, I'm sure the opo 7pro will be the same way, no hardware differences.
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How?
Just fastboot oem unlock?

Just got off the phone with TMobile. One of the requirements of having the phone unlocked is to use the phone on T-Mobile network for 40 days. Which I have no problem with. Really enjoying this phone.

TMobile offered two prepay on EIP to unlock. JOD won't unlock the phone.

Just called three times. I was told they won't do it. I even offered to pay for the whole phone.
Do you have to have the SIM unlock to unlock the bootloader.

nmil1484 said:
Just called three times. I was told they won't do it. I even offered to pay for the whole phone.
Do you have to have the SIM unlock to unlock the bootloader.
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They have been inconsistent because they suck. I'd go on Twitter you'll have better luck with them.

Xshooter726 said:
Just got off the phone with TMobile. One of the requirements of having the phone unlocked is to use the phone on T-Mobile network for 40 days. Which I have no problem with. Really enjoying this phone.
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I just got off the phone with T-Mobile and they unlocked as I have paid it off. So what are the next steps to unlock the bootloader?

OnePlus 7 Pro T-Mobile vs. Unlocked

Hello! I'm shopping for a used OnePlus 7 Pro on swappa, and notice that the T-Mobile version tends to go for a bit cheaper. I have been out of the root and tinkering scene for a little while but I'm looking to get back into it with this phone. I found this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7-pro/how-to/how-to-convert-tmobile-op7-to-t3935947 and I just wanted to clarify that there are basically 0 differences between the T-Mobile and Unlocked versions after that work is done besides the lack of dual sim tray. If buying a T-Mobile version will impact my ability to root, update, or impact the performance of the phone at all it wouldn't be worth the savings over the unlocked version to me. The network I use is Mint mobile by the way, if that matters at all. Just wanted a clarification before I dropped the money, thanks!

I don't believe It matters since you're not on T-Mobiles network. They're one in the same.

Since you won't be on T-Mobile, you can flash the international version of os very easily and loose the tmo bloat apps. You just need to get the Sim unlocked to do so, then on international rom you can unlock the bootloader.

Peeace of mindd,. Get unlocked version. No chance of getting blacklisted

Get unlocked for the win!

intruda119 said:
Peeace of mindd,. Get unlocked version. No chance of getting blacklisted
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This so much

Question OEM unlocking on a Pixel 7 pro? Verizon

Any tips on how to enabling the OEM unlocking on a Pixel 7 pro? Verizon

Skeeter300blackout said:
Any tips on how to enabling the OEM unlocking on a Pixel 7 pro? Verizon
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You can't unlock the bootloader on Verizon models.

Wow, not all? No hacks or anything.

Nope

Well that sucks, I guess i have to take this dam thing back.

How about T-Mobile? Unlock bootloader option is greyed out

Beddadizi619 said:
How about T-Mobile? Unlock bootloader option is greyed out
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That's how the Verizon one is. I've seen some video on youtube on how to possibly enable it.... but nothing works. Lughnasadh is correct.

Beddadizi619 said:
How about T-Mobile? Unlock bootloader option is greyed out
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For T-Mobile you have to be carrier unlocked first before you can unlock the bootloader. This usually involves paying off the phone and then contacting the carrier to have them Carrier unlock it.

Beddadizi619 said:
How about T-Mobile? Unlock bootloader option is greyed out
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I got my pixel 7 pro sim unlocked through the chat function of the T-Mobile app. From there I was able to enable OEM unlock. No need to pay it off, just try and get a good rep in the chat/be abundantly friendly

Beddadizi619 said:
How about T-Mobile? Unlock bootloader option is greyed out
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You have to get TMobile to do a permanent sim/network unlock. They do it over the phone. They make you follow specific rules though, device has to be payed off and you have to have been with T-mobile for a specific amount of time...... If you get a tech support guy who just doesn't care then you may get lucky. I just kept calling until someone did it for me.

Lughnasadh said:
You can't unlock the bootloader on Verizon models.
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Could have if they rooted before letting the phone be booted with a sim card. Verizon carrier unlocks at 6 months paid off or not. You don't have to ask it just happens but if you need to be 100% sure then ask.
I remember getting the first XL and without thinking I booted it up with the sim, it updated and bye bye unlock bootloader option. Thankfully my son also wanted one so we just swapped. I rooted before anything else, then put my sim in and didn't use ota updates because I didn't want the bloat from Verizon.

d0x360 said:
Could have if they rooted before letting the phone be booted with a sim card. Verizon carrier unlocks at 6 months paid off or not. You don't have to ask it just happens but if you need to be 100% sure then ask.
I remember getting the first XL and without thinking I booted it up with the sim, it updated and bye bye unlock bootloader option. Thankfully my son also wanted one so we just swapped. I rooted before anything else, then put my sim in and didn't use ota updates because I didn't want the bloat from Verizon.
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That was for the OG XL. We're talking about the Pixel 7/Pro here (also applies to the 3-6 series as well)(some say they found an exploit for the 2). Carrier unlocking is irrelevant in this case.

Lughnasadh said:
That was for the OG XL. We're talking about the Pixel 7/Pro here (also applies to the 3-6 series as well)(some say they found an exploit for the 2). Carrier unlocking is irrelevant in this case.
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Changed it again huh? I know carrier unlocking is irrelevant but they were talking about it and I knew the vzw info because I had them unlock a phone then they pushed an app to it and that was that.
I have 2 7 pros I need to root that will be going on Verizon but I'm not putting the sim in until I'm done setting up either way. It's bloat free and staying that way. I'm probably switching to fi if the service is good here. I'll save a ton of money on just 2 lines.

d0x360 said:
Changed it again huh? I know carrier unlocking is irrelevant but they were talking about it and I knew the vzw info because I had them unlock a phone then they pushed an app to it and that was that.
I have 2 7 pros I need to root that will be going on Verizon but I'm not putting the sim in until I'm done setting up either way. It's bloat free and staying that way. I'm probably switching to fi if the service is good here. I'll save a ton of money on just 2 lines.
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It doesn't matter if you put the SIM in yet or not. What matters is where you got the phone from - each carrier has a different model number. Did you get the phones from Verizon? Then you're out of luck, no bootloader unlocking, no root. Did you get them from Google? Then it's easy, just follow guides on here.
And as others have mentioned, T-Mobile allows you to unlock your phone but it almost always requires that you have the device on active line for 60 days and that you have paid for it in full.

bobbarker2 said:
It doesn't matter if you put the SIM in yet or not. What matters is where you got the phone from - each carrier has a different model number. Did you get the phones from Verizon? Then you're out of luck, no bootloader unlocking, no root. Did you get them from Google? Then it's easy, just follow guides on here.
And as others have mentioned, T-Mobile allows you to unlock your phone but it almost always requires that you have the device on active line for 60 days and that you have paid for it in full.
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Of course not, I don't trust Verizon for even a brief second. I bought a non carrier variant at best buy. I also bought a fi sim because I want to quit Verizon. We pay something like $158 a month for 2 lines and 4 gigs of shared data. Here they have the best service by far but I'm near wifi 99% of the day so it's not a worry.
Hell last month we used 0.68 gigs of data though I saved 30 using Adguard.
I've been rooting since the G1 so I don't forsee any problems but I'm looking for changes like you mentioned and others have...
Really miss those days especially once the Nexus one was out.
Everything was easier to do and there were tons of custom ROM options. With TWRP I'd make an image then flash a new ROM and possibly kernel and be tinkering in settings in under 3 min. It's a shame the scene has shrunk so much but there is still tons of quality stuff which is always nice.

d0x360 said:
We pay something like $158 a month for 2 lines and 4 gigs of shared data.
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Wow that's crazy. I pay that same amount for 6 lines on TMobile with unlimited everything.
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Everything was easier to do and there were tons of custom ROM options. With TWRP I'd make an image then flash a new ROM and possibly kernel and be tinkering in settings in under 3 min. It's a shame the scene has shrunk so much but there is still tons of quality stuff which is always nice.
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The old days are gone unfortunately. People should consider themselves lucky if they can even get a custom recovery for their device.
I'm perfectly happy with stock Pixel rom. The only reason I root is for custom kernel and some extra control over the apps on my device.
The benefits of rooting and/or unlocking the bootloader have diminished greatly overtime.

d0x360 said:
We pay something like $158 a month for 2 lines and 4 gigs of shared data.
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Not sure what plan your on? We're on Verizon and pay that for 4 lines with unlimited everything.

Apparently even AFTER Carrier Unlocking Pixel 7 Pro, Bootloader is NOT Unlockable, under any circumstance. VZW is pointing at Google and Google is pointing at VZW. I am waiting for a reply or call back from a Google Supervisor, because it should be clearly noted on the VZW Box that even after Carrier Unlocking device, BL CANNOT be Unlocked under any circumstance. I smell a class action lawsuit against Google and/or VZW for Pixel Customers who are unable to OEM Unlock Devices after Carrier Unlocking. Anyone want in? I am hoping I get the right Google Supervisor who will warranty exchange device for another Unlocked or any other Branded Pixel 7 Pro....

AndroidAddict420 said:
Apparently even AFTER Carrier Unlocking Pixel 7 Pro, Bootloader is NOT Unlockable, under any circumstance. VZW is pointing at Google and Google is pointing at VZW. I am waiting for a reply or call back from a Google Supervisor, because it should be clearly noted on the VZW Box that even after Carrier Unlocking device, BL CANNOT be Unlocked under any circumstance. I smell a class action lawsuit against Google and/or VZW for Pixel Customers who are unable to OEM Unlock Devices after Carrier Unlocking. Anyone want in? I am hoping I get the right Google Supervisor who will warranty exchange device for another Unlocked or any other Branded Pixel 7 Pro....
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Good luck getting a class action because you can't bootloader unlock your phone. It's been this way with phones on Verizon for many years now. Never buy a Verizon branded phone if you want to unlock the bootloader.

AndroidAddict420 said:
Apparently even AFTER Carrier Unlocking Pixel 7 Pro, Bootloader is NOT Unlockable, under any circumstance. VZW is pointing at Google and Google is pointing at VZW. I am waiting for a reply or call back from a Google Supervisor, because it should be clearly noted on the VZW Box that even after Carrier Unlocking device, BL CANNOT be Unlocked under any circumstance. I smell a class action lawsuit against Google and/or VZW for Pixel Customers who are unable to OEM Unlock Devices after Carrier Unlocking. Anyone want in? I am hoping I get the right Google Supervisor who will warranty exchange device for another Unlocked or any other Branded Pixel 7 Pro....
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Buying devices from carriers (specifically from AT&T or Verizon) and expecting them to have an unlockable bootloader: https://media.tenor.com/AQz3_zaiD14AAAAM/hysterical-laughter.gif