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I searched for camera mods to allow for capturing of RAW data from the sensor on the Charge.
As far as I can tell, nobody has been successful in getting any Android phone to capture the RAW data.
Does anybody know if this is possible? I know others who would love to have the ability. I didn't really want to start a discussion of RAW vs JPEG compression, etc. I know the drawbacks and advantages of RAW.
I think that this would require camera firmware modifications as well as Camera APK modifications. My development knowledge is very limited, hence my name.
Does anybody know if this would require a reasonable about of effort or if its far beyond being worth the trouble?
It looks possible, and the code is in the API to do this, but it has yet to be done as far as I know. It looks to be an issue with the "RAW callback function" always returning NULL. If I have some time I will to look into it.
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My apologies and thanks.
Bumping this, seems like an interesting feature, considering it has API support.
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Bumping this, seems like an interesting feature, considering it has API support.
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I don't know if its prohibitively difficult to mod, but I couldn't find any other phone which has been developed to shoot RAW. Perhaps people just haven't shown much interest.
I would love this feature, but I figure most people shooting in RAW already have a "real" camera. I would expect a decent increase in photo quality though. I have 32 GB on my phone waiting to store some RAW data!
I just wish someone would mod the camera APK to use +2 sharpness, which would result in better quality photos. The camera app applies a bad blur/denoise filter on the lower sharpness settings which reduces the quality of the picture. Worse, the camera does not save that setting, so it needs to be set each time I use it.
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I just wish someone would mod the camera APK to use +2 sharpness, which would result in better quality photos. The camera app applies a bad blur/denoise filter on the lower sharpness settings which reduces the quality of the picture. Worse, the camera does not save that setting, so it needs to be set each time I use it.
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You know u can modify the frame work for the camera, I've done it before, search xda. I doubt remember the form
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I don't know if its prohibitively difficult to mod, but I couldn't find any other phone which has been developed to shoot RAW. Perhaps people just haven't shown much interest.
I would love this feature, but I figure most people shooting in RAW already have a "real" camera. I would expect a decent increase in photo quality though. I have 32 GB on my phone waiting to store some RAW data!
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Shooting raw will make the color correction possible which will significantly boost the image quality to...a 70 dollars' compact camera you can find on ebay, BUT, the best camera is always the one that is with you, so I always support anyone who like to improve android phone's shooting ability.
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The real issue isn't allowing the camera to shoot raw because they can be done but the raw format will not be recognized by any raw processing software on the market. The possible way is to use DNG format which will significantly increase the difficulty of modification because it means the programmer will put in hours to create a brand new application to understand and compress the raw file to the DNG file...unlike Canon, android does not have an official raw format...so everything will need to start from zero. This process could easily take 20 very experienced engineers up to a year to complete, and the result might not be very ideal and will need another year to modify and improve...so we are looking at a potentially five million dollars project here - and it will better be turning in to profitable application - and if so it will have to be the best selling android app ever.
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I don't know if its prohibitively difficult to mod, but I couldn't find any other phone which has been developed to shoot RAW. Perhaps people just haven't shown much interest.
I would love this feature, but I figure most people shooting in RAW already have a "real" camera. I would expect a decent increase in photo quality though. I have 32 GB on my phone waiting to store some RAW data!
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Yes, most (like myself) probably do but since I'm carrying around a high quality 8 megapixel camera in my pocket I'd like to be able to shoot in raw for those times that I don't have my DSLR with me. There is so much more that com be done to a RAW photograph, not to mention not having any data loss form it being converted to a jpeg. Looking forward to seeing if anyone can make this possible.
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Yes, most (like myself) probably do but since I'm carrying around a high quality 8 megapixel camera in my pocket I'd like to be able to shoot in raw for those times that I don't have my DSLR with me. There is so much more that com be done to a RAW photograph, not to mention not having any data loss form it being converted to a jpeg. Looking forward to seeing if anyone can make this possible.
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Just a reminder....this is a cell phone, not a camera!
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Just a reminder....this is a cell phone, not a camera!
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Just a reminder, anything is possible in the world of android!
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desmalta said:
Yes, most (like myself) probably do but since I'm carrying around a high quality 8 megapixel camera in my pocket I'd like to be able to shoot in raw for those times that I don't have my DSLR with me. There is so much more that com be done to a RAW photograph, not to mention not having any data loss form it being converted to a jpeg. Looking forward to seeing if anyone can make this possible.
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RAW does not equal improved quality if the camera is not capturing more image information prior to compressing to JPG. You're still working with a tiny fixed lens and dense, compact sensor with tiny photo sites. This is limiting the amount and quality of light. Shooting RAW will not change this. JPG compression is not a limiting factor for image quality. You won't be able to resolve significantly finer detail or shoot in lower light settings just because you're shooting RAW. Open a JPG as RAW with Photoshop, it'll provide a similar experience.
You'll end up with similar photo quality, a bit more flexibility in PP, and huge lag while the camera tries to handle transfering and saving the huge photo file 10x larger than what it was designed to handle.
These are the only mobile phone sensors I've seen that would support or justify shooting in RAW.
Another story on them: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/14/omnivisions-new-12mp-cmos-sensor-shoots-raw-pics-and-1080-60p-v/
In other words, RAW will be here eventually. When it is, it'll be an improvement. To try and force it (if it were even possible) with the sensor and hardware limitations in the DC is pointless.
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RAW does not equal improved quality if the camera is not capturing more image information prior to compressing to JPG.
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true, but shooting raw does preserve more of the image, because its the raw/real image that sensors seems is not a jpg processed image the way camera applications decided the scene should look like.
basically would would be taking your camera off the auto mode.
with raw you would have greated control over white balance, shadows, highlights etc...
There is a question about how many bits of image data you got on mobile sensor. On DSLR there is 12 or 14 bits information that is compressed to 8bit JPG information - that's why there is plenty more information about the image in RAW format. If CMOS in your mobile phone deliver just strait 8bit - your RAW will not have much more data.
As I don't have slightest idea how many bits of data is served by mobile camera sensor I can't say if there is a reason for RAW.
i found this
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/14777953/how-to-capture-raw-image-from-android-camera
i am really looking forward for a raw file from android camera this will be a huge move forward to the mobile world and the abilities of android
and since its supported in the api means google wants it to happen
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Create this dir /data/misc/camera/RaW_PiCtUrEs case sensitive btw
Assuming the capture mode used is high-quality and not high-quality-zsl it should produce a raw image everytime you capture a jpeg image
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try this maybe it will work i found it here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1977654&nocache=1
I recently made the jump to 5.1.1 (XXU2BOGG) to be able to use the new Camera2 API and play around with RAW files (.dng’s here).
Thing is, when I shoot pics with a Camera2-enabled app (Camera FV-5 or Snap Camera HDR (which can even toggle API modes), the JPG’s it makes (besides the DNG’s) are unsharp. It’s very visible compared to when you shoot the same thing with a non-Camera2 API camera app. I wonder if it’s the same for others.
Here’s how you can check.
Shoot a pic with a Camera2 API enabled app such as Camera FV-5, with RAW/DNG support enabled.
Shoot a pic with a non-Camera2 API enabled app, such as Google Camera.
Compare the resulting JPG files (not the .dng)
For me, the latter is way sharper.
My theories of the cause:
Bad Camera2 API implementation by Samsung.
XXU2BOGG firmware is in XtreStoLite ROM (2.2.1 RC3), that makes my S6 say it's an S6 Edge. Maybe a driver issue. It's properly recognised as an SM-G920F, so I guess this is not a possible issue.
Complication of 5.0.2 ENG bootloader with 5.1.1 ROM. It's caused the fingerprint sensor to be broken, maybe it also breaks camera stuff.
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I recently made the jump to 5.1.1 (XXU2BOGG) to be able to use the new Camera2 API and play around with RAW files (.dng’s here).
Thing is, when I shoot pics with a Camera2-enabled app (Camera FV-5 or Snap Camera HDR (which can even toggle API modes), the JPG’s it makes (besides the DNG’s) are unsharp. It’s very visible compared to when you shoot the same thing with a non-Camera2 API camera app. I wonder if it’s the same for others.
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It's normal but I know some guys have been asked why in that S6 Camera thread in the general section. I've played around with Snap and FV5 after up to 5.1.1 too. When you enabled API2, their JPG/PNG output will set the sharpen level to zero and indeed it is the original quality from your tiny sensor(we finally know how crap of 1/2.6" without post-processing).
I use Photoshop CS6 plus Adobe DNG Converter 9.1(I think Lightroom plus Adobe DNG Converter 9.1 does the same thing), they can read out the S6 RAW correctly though S6 isn't on the supported device list. After I turned the Sharpening amount to around 100 and denoise set to like 30, the photo quality is very similar to stock S6 camera now with good sharpness and no noise.
The stock camera(or other 3rd apps) default does a heavy job on sharp/denoise but if you ask for API2 and decided to shoot RAW, it's your turn now to do the adjustment by yourself.
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It's normal but I know some guys have been asked why in that S6 Camera thread in the general section. I've played around with Snap and FV5 after up to 5.1.1 too. When you enabled API2, their JPG/PNG output will set the sharpen level to zero and indeed it is the original quality from your tiny sensor(we finally know how crap of 1/2.6" without post-processing).
I use Photoshop CS6 plus Adobe DNG Converter 9.1(I think Lightroom plus Adobe DNG Converter 9.1 does the same thing), they can read out the S6 RAW correctly though S6 isn't on the supported device list. After I turned the Sharpening amount to around 100 and denoise set to like 30, the photo quality is very similar to stock S6 camera now with good sharpness and no noise.
The stock camera(or other 3rd apps) default does a heavy job on sharp/denoise but if you ask for API2 and decided to shoot RAW, it's your turn now to do the adjustment by yourself.
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This makes sense, thank you, very good reply. So that basically means you have to choose between RAW and JPG, because the JPG won't be processed properly and thus be worse than the non-Camera2 API JPG.
Do you also see constant over-exposure 'flashes' when the light meter does it's thing? It happens with Snap Camera HDR and Open Camera (free Camera2 API app (that doesn't save photos when in that mode here)) as well.
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This makes sense, thank you, very good reply. So that basically means you have to choose between RAW and JPG, because the JPG won't be processed properly and thus be worse than the non-Camera2 API JPG.
Do you also see constant over-exposure 'flashes' when the light meter does it's thing? It happens with Snap Camera HDR and Open Camera (free Camera2 API app (that doesn't save photos when in that mode here)) as well.
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Yes, I'm sure snap/fv5 will ignore the JPG/PNG sharpen filter when you take RAW and it is very weird. Indeed, we should report it to the developer, I think it is a bug. Because of that you have to choose between RAW and JPG/PNG now, not the combination of both.
I didn't test to disable API2 in snap/fv5 because if I don't shoot RAW, I will just use the stock camera. Just import the RAW in CS6/LR + DNG converter, set the sharpen amount to 80 ~ 110 and denosie 30 ~ 60, the result is pretty much same with stock camera now. So, no worry your API2 is normal.
Can you explain it a bit more about over-exposure flashes?
I'll explain the over-exposure later, but here are some samples I just worked on that illustrate your first point. All pics are untouched, losslessly saved crops and zoomed to 200%.
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^Google Camera (non-API2, default settings, lossless JPG crop (saved as .png)
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^Camera FV-5 .DNG (API2, default settings, Adobe Camera Raw 8.4 from Photoshop CS6 13.0.1 *no processing* crop (saved as .png)
^Camera FV-5 .DNG (API2, default settings, Adobe Camera Raw 8.4 from Photoshop CS6 13.0.1 *processed* crop (saved as .png)
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I'll explain the over-exposure later, but here are some samples I just worked on that illustrate your first point.
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Yes, RAW isn't easy to deal with, every photo does need different set of parameters and very time consuming to find out best values. In some manner, RAW is only for real photo taker and professional. Stock camera or google camera on the other hands they do a smart job to optimize all photo automatically.
In your example, I don't see it over-exposure. It is just how the stock/google cam tweaked that for you. You can tune the exposure or any color in the DNG converter to achieve the same result but again it is a time wasting work.
And I would like to mention the DNG convertor default set at 25 sharpen(default 0 denoise) so it actually got some kinds of processing, so the ^Camera FV-5 .DNG is much sharper than ^Camera FV-5 .JPG. It looks like you are total new to RAW, I beat you understand how hard of it and time to lesson. Welcome to the Hell. lol
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Yes, I'm sure snap/fv5 will ignore the JPG/PNG sharpen filter when you take RAW and it is very weird. Indeed, we should report it to the developer, I think it is a bug. Because of that you have to choose between RAW and JPG/PNG now, not the combination of both.
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Exactly. I'll contact their support again (but so far they haven't responded to previous e-mails). Made a post on Snap's Google+ page and updated my post in the Snap Camera HDR topic too (because Snap's JPG next to a DNG is the same unprocessed, fuzzy one).
I didn't test to disable API2 in snap/fv5 because if I don't shoot RAW, I will just use the stock camera. Just import the RAW in CS6/LR + DNG converter, set the sharpen amount to 80 ~ 110 and denosie 30 ~ 60, the result is pretty much same with stock camera now.
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Just tested FV-5 with DNG capture set to Disabled, but the JPG's are still unprocessed (fuzzy).
So, no worry your API2 is normal.
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Yeah, I'm convinced of the same now. It's just the Camera2 API apps doing a bad job. Maybe because of API limitations, or its a Samsung issue, who knows.
Can you explain it a bit more about over-exposure flashes?
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Yeah. FV-5 doesn't have it, but Snap Camera HDR and Open Camera have it when using Camera2 API mode. In Auto Focus mode, all is well. But as soon as I manually focus by touching on the screen, you see it overexposing a few seconds after the focus was grabbed (Snap Camera HDR) or on the exact moment of manually focusing by touching (Open Camera). The photo taken is not overexposed.
Curious about three things:
1) is this S6 specific?
2) is this a XXU2BOGG bug? /edit: could be, but it's the same on XXU2COH2.
3) what would Manual Camera do? (Tempted to spend yet another few dollars to test that one out) /edit: bought and refunded: it doesn't 'see' the Camera2 API and it won't shoot in 16:9, just 4:3. o_o
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Yes, RAW isn't easy to deal with, every photo does need different set of parameters and very time consuming to find out best values. In some manner, RAW is only for real photo taker and professional. Stock camera or google camera on the other hands they do a smart job to optimize all photo automatically.
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And I would like to mention the DNG convertor default set at 25 sharpen(default 0 denoise) so it actually got some kinds of processing, so the ^Camera FV-5 .DNG is much sharper than ^Camera FV-5 .JPG. It looks like you are total new to RAW, I beat you understand how hard of it and time to lesson. Welcome to the Hell. lol[/QUOTE]
I'm not new to RAW, I shoot RAW on my dSLR (Nikon had .NEF's) and I love getting the most out of my photos. It can be very complex yeah, and I agree that every photo ideally needs his own post processing settings.
Nice that you know quite a bit about it as well and have done tests. Let's hope we'll find the ultimate culprit and things will be fixed.
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Just tested FV-5 with DNG capture set to Disabled, but the JPG's are still unprocessed (fuzzy).
Yeah. FV-5 doesn't have it, but Snap Camera HDR and Open Camera have it when using Camera2 API mode. In Auto Focus mode, all is well. But as soon as I manually focus by touching on the screen, you see it overexposing a few seconds after the focus was grabbed (Snap Camera HDR) or on the exact moment of manually focusing by touching (Open Camera). The photo taken is not overexposed.
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In FV5 you can't real disable API2(I can't find the option) but just tested to disable API2 in SnapCamera and after that the JPG sharpness comes back. Yup, it will over exposure a sec when you touch the manual focus bcoz it will bump up the iso to real high(you can notice the real-time iso info getting high) but it is just a minor bug.
It is interesting to see what will happen on Note5/S6e+, they comes with the ability to shoot RAW+JPG in stock camera.
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In FV5 you can't real disable API2(I can't find the option) but just tested to disable API2 in SnapCamera and after that the JPG sharpness comes back. Yup, it will over exposure a sec when you touch the manual focus bcoz it will bump up the iso to real high(you can notice the real-time iso info getting high) but it is just a minor bug.
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Yeah, but as I got more or less the same in Open Camera, to me it feels like it's not app related but driver/device's API implementation.
It is interesting to see what will happen on Note5/S6e+, they comes with the ability to shoot RAW+JPG in stock camera.
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There's a Note5 ROM port in the Android Dev subforum
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Yeah, but as I got more or less the same in Open Camera, to me it feels like it's not app related but driver/device's API implementation.
There's a Note5 ROM port in the Android Dev subforum
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I know that but I'm on dual sims and not supported, so a no go to me and I'm still with my warranty didn't trip the knox yet because my camera got little weird sound, guess time to travel Samsung service center later.
Camera2 api app's always freeze
Hello, I had not seen any complaint at all, so i really wonder if no one cares or it really only happens on my phone. The problem is no matter which app I use, the screen always freezes on the s6 after taking about 8 to 9 raw pictures in a row. Does anyone experience it as well? Thanks.
I have had similar issues. Raw images are big. I think it's bogging down while writing to the SD card. Probably, it's the reason Samsung hasn't integrated raw into the stock camera.
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I have had similar issues. Raw images are big. I think it's bogging down while writing to the SD card. Probably, it's the reason Samsung hasn't integrated raw into the stock camera.
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Ok... So it's not just me... Thank you for confirming.
I know the note 5 can handle the raw pictures well. Even the LG G4 has much slower internal storage. I do not own a G4 but I'm assuming the G4's stock camera is handling it well too. I believe it's bad implementation by Samsung, as it happens to all camera apps. And it's always the 9th raw picture screwing it. If Samsung is not trying to make this raw feature exclusive on the note 5, I'm sure they know how to make it work flawlessly on the s6 but they just don't want to.
In fairness, it really is a niche feature. Probably an extremely small percentage of S6 owners even know what raw is and an even smaller percentage would ever really use it. They probably figured they were fine not prepping for it. Now the external sd card and removal battery...
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In fairness, it really is a niche feature. Probably an extremely small percentage of S6 owners even know what raw is and an even smaller percentage would ever really use it. They probably figured they were fine not prepping for it. Now the external sd card and removal battery...
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True it's a niche feature. But I would think that smaller percentage of s6 users who want to shoot raw is actually more people than the total number of note 5, edge+ and G4 users who can currently shoot stable raw. Given that the hardware of the s6 and note 5 should be very similar. It should not really be a hard implementation from Samsung. I will probably go back to nexus when the next one is out and never return to Samsung again.
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True it's a niche feature. But I would think that smaller percentage of s6 users who want to shoot raw is actually more people than the total number of note 5, edge+ and G4 users who can currently shoot stable raw. Given that the hardware of the s6 and note 5 should be very similar. It should not really be a hard implementation from Samsung. I will probably go back to nexus when the next one is out and never return to Samsung again.
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Well, I guess if ya feel that strongly about it, it's the thing to do! Personally, I have never used a camera on a phone that performed this well, so I have no need to mess with raw and don't miss it. I was curious mostly, but Raw files are a lot of work to edit, so I won't bother.
Same here with Snap Camera or FV-5. Shooting passed 5 times may starting to have problem(need to kill the app to make it works again) while sometimes no problem up to 7 ~ 9 RAW. Not sure bad API2 implementation or 3rd apps not working good. Wish Samsung gives us stock RAW later or someone port it from Note5/S6e+.
I don't know what be can use at 5.1.1 (But I know that's can be use at Camera2 API at 10s - 1/8000s) but I will be does known' that's 6.0.1 as Marshmallow it's will be have in "OOTB" (On-Out-The-Box): Full-Pro Mode (as Shutter Speed/RAW - Pretty same options as 5.1.1 will have of Note 5/S6 Edge Plus Models)
Just picked up an S7 duos as an upgrade to my much loved Z2 (still in contention if its a worthy upgrade).
Primary reason is the camera, however, firstly, the auto jpeg's are really not as good as I was expecting (very over saturated, weird contrast effect), so naturally I checked out pro mode and raw. I can get better images out of it and initially the first few raw images I captured I was impressed with. However since then, raw images are now captured at 504x376 resolution??? yet 20+MB in size. I've copied to my PC and indeed that is the resolution. The associated JPEG is expected resolution.
Is there a solution? I've googled with no luck
edit: second issue is the camera "restarts" 2-5 times when i first fire it up.
I'd clear the data/cache of the camera app
24mb~ is the correct size for RAW, but they should be the resolution you have set in the camera resolution settings
You haven't installed an updates to the camera app via APK?
If yes, uninstall them back to the factory version
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I'd clear the data/cache of the camera app
24mb~ is the correct size for RAW, but they should be the resolution you have set in the camera resolution settings
You haven't installed an updates to the camera app via APK?
If yes, uninstall them back to the factory version
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Hi, thanks for the reply
I've tired clearing the cache, then straight to pro mode, switch on raw, take a pic... the jpeg is as expected, the raw file is low res
The phone came reset but with 7.0 on. Perhaps I should try to roll it back to 6
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Hi, thanks for the reply
I've tired clearing the cache, then straight to pro mode, switch on raw, take a pic... the jpeg is as expected, the raw file is low res
The phone came reset but with 7.0 on. Perhaps I should try to roll it back to 6
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Did you clear Data of the camera app along with cache?
7.0 shouldn't be a problem, you could try factory resetting the phone again though if you can't cure it any other way
I'm having the same issues with the camera running on 7.0. Raw images saves at 20mb but it looks like a blocky mess when viewed in the gallery. The jpeg in auto mode also comes out overly compressed with a a lot of artifacting. Shooting in pro mode helps a bit, but still looks comparably worse next to another S7 in my possession.
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I'm having the same issues with the camera running on 7.0. Raw images saves at 20mb but it looks like a blocky mess when viewed in the gallery. The jpeg in auto mode also comes out overly compressed with a a lot of artifacting. Shooting in pro mode helps a bit, but still looks comparably worse next to another S7 in my possession.
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You can't view RAW in the gallery, only a low rez thumbnail, copy them to the PC and use Lightroom or something to view them
YES I have the same issue! The RAW images are normal if I upload them to my PC, but editing them on the phone they're super low-res. Even if I try to open the RAW files in Photoshop Express, the low-res thumbails open. Huge issue for me since I do a lot of photography. Have you found a fix?
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You can't view RAW in the gallery, only a low rez thumbnail, copy them to the PC and use Lightroom or something to view them
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Ah, I see. I installed Snapseed and the raw images came out fine. I never realized the stock gallery didn't support raw preview because I used to open them in the Google Photo app on my Note 5.
I still have issues with noisy and compressed photos shot on auto mode. I remembered it being much better on Marshmallow. The Note 5 next to me has the same problem after the update to Nougat.
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Ah, I see. I installed Snapseed and the raw images came out fine. I never realized the stock gallery didn't support raw preview because I used to open them in the Google Photo app on my Note 5.
I still have issues with noisy and compressed photos shot on auto mode. I remembered it being much better on Marshmallow. The Note 5 next to me has the same problem after the update to Nougat.
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Not having any problems with Auto mode, obviously Pro mode is superior but Auto comes out nice too
I remembered MM having amazing photos and flashed back to test, but they came out the same as Nougat so upgraded again
Try flashing back, see if there really is a difference, memory is a funny thing, also I got my phone in August so it was still pretty bright and sunny when I had MM on it, so photos did come out looking great as it loves good lighting conditions
Then since Nougat came along it's been winter, so bad light conditions, summer is on it's way again which will be a good test this year
Hi everyone. I'd like to know if anybody could get a 48 mp dng file from this phone. It is strange that raw file is only 12 mp. The quality of the 48 mp jpeg image is poor and seems rather an interpolated from 12 mp. How is possible to get a raw file smaller (12mp) than the original (48mp) ? And many camera aps won't give the jpeg 48 mp option but only the 12 mp. Comparing an original jpeg 40 mp from p20 pro with the one that this phone offers, the difference is tremendous on details and structure. Thanks for reading.
non-pro --> fake
pro --> real
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non-pro --> fake
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For what reason then, it won't give a 48 mp dng file? And also you cannot have from 48mp jpeg the option 16:9 ? If it was the stock camera limitation, why then, all other camera apps behave the same way?
Speaking always for pro model.
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Hi everyone. I'd like to know if anybody could get a 48 mp dng file from this phone. It is strange that raw file is only 12 mp. The quality of the 48 mp jpeg image is poor and seems rather an interpolated from 12 mp. How is possible to get a raw file smaller (12mp) than the original (48mp) ? And many camera aps won't give the jpeg 48 mp option but only the 12 mp. Comparing an original jpeg 40 mp from p20 pro with the one that this phone offers, the difference is tremendous on details and structure. Thanks for reading.
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I did not quite understand what you were saying. The 48MP shots are "real" as Xiaomi claims. For non-stock camera apps, just make sure you have Camera2API option available and enabled to enable 48MP mode. For instance, I enabled the same in Open Camera, and I had the capability to shoot "48MP" in RAW dng format.
And I kinda sorta get what you are trying to say, but I do not know enough about the topic to comment.
Here is one shot from RN7Pro with Open Camera app with Camera2API enabled, saved in jpeg and raw. One is the standard jpeg with resolution 8000 x 6000 and 6MB in size, the other is the dng of the same shot with resolution 3984 x 2984 (11.9 MP) as reported by Photoshop with a file size of 22.9 MB:
JPG: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mKD7i2idv1YBjSFsepTCFShyTJTlPm6t/view?usp=sharing
DNG: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y6Xrez8sjFBP3HWI1__HchVtZ7unBTRr/view?usp=sharing
If you plan to compare the RN7 Pro, which costs as much as an early mid-range device, against the Huawei P20 Pro, which is top tier flagship from last year, then you will definitely be disappointed. One phone costs a couple of times the other. So that comparison does not make sense to me.
For a moment I was happy to hear that you were able to shoot 48 mp in raw dng format with open camera, but then I saw the dng file you posted was only 12 mp (a little less perhaps). So, unfortunately, I still am suspicious about what xiaomi claims for the camera since it is not possible to get 48 mp dng file with any app. The size of such a file should be about 45 mb. The quality of images of not 7 pro is excellent but the details are of 12 mp level. I posted an image from mi note 2 (21mp camera) where you can see the difference in details. I wonder if I get such an image from an older phone what should I expect with a newer with the double size of mp in the sensor. I'm afraid we have to do with a xiaomi's trick ......
Ps. Now I see that system made my image much smaller. 243 kb instead of 12 mb (original). you v\cannot get conclusions this way.. sorry.
I had the idea to post a crop of the original image. Take a look.
Ok, I'll explain.
It's a Quad Bayer sensor, what typically results in lack of raw output availability in case of the full res. That's due to the fact that OEMs assume no app would be able to process non-standard array, else they would have to process it on their own, through utilizing stacking (superres?) or simple remosaic. The latter would result in artifacts or loss of quality.
Because of that, all available raw streams come from binning (pixel "merging").
About the quality tho, it's just a Xiaomi thing. All you can currently do is disable the edge mode and denoising in Open Camera. Then your results might get more detailed, possibly at the cost of color fringing. At least, that's the case with Mi 9.
But about RN7 non-Pro, uhh. It has S5KGM1, which doesn't even support any kind of 48 MP mode, so the 48 MP images from RN7, Oppo F11 Pro, Vivo V15 Pro end up being a placebo.
Sorry that I saw your answer after I started a new thread with the same subject. Thanks for all your info. Still I wonder, why we cannot get a 48mp DNG file with any app, like for example on p20 pro that has the same quad bayer technology. And how is possible to get a 12 mp rawfile, from a 48 mp sensor? With p20 pro we can choose between 40 mp dng or 10 mp jpeg with binning technology. Why this is impossible with RN7pro ?
Another question that I have is that: If all available raw streams come from binning, then the 48mp jpeg from where it comes?
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Another question that I have is that: If all available raw streams come from binning, then the 48mp jpeg from where it comes?
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Sensor mode itself is a raw stream (typically 10 bit), but drivers are constructed in a way that filters out any quad bayer raw access from third party apps. The 48 MP JPEGs come from processing applied on it by the camera stack.
For further data, you can look on Camera2Test and most importantly, "dumpsys media.camera" command. "sensormode" is the keyword you're looking for in case of the latter. Then you'll get a 8000x6000 mode listed with a third number, which means the framerate, probably around 24 fps.
And anyyyway, disable edge mode and denoising in Open Camera if you want to see something about IMX586 with bare eyes.
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Sensor mode itself is a raw stream (typically 10 bit), but drivers are constructed in a way that filters out any quad bayer raw access from third party apps. The 48 MP JPEGs come from processing applied on it by the camera stack.
For further data, you can look on Camera2Test and most importantly, "dumpsys media.camera" command. "sensormode" is the keyword you're looking for in case of the latter. Then you'll get a 8000x6000 mode listed with a third number, which means the framerate, probably around 24 fps.
And any way, disable edge mode and denoising in Open Camera if you want to see something about IMX586 with bare eyes.[/QU
Thanks, I can see what you mean. It's a pity thow, that there is no a 48mp dng file which, in bright light might be very interesting , offering hight level of details.... I guess that with 1,75 f and binning, xiaomi's goal is a brighter image in the shortest shooting time. This kind of images are very good for internet media use, but in a big screen they are worse than images from older phones .
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Kodagf said:
j1505243 said:
Sensor mode itself is a raw stream (typically 10 bit), but drivers are constructed in a way that filters out any quad bayer raw access from third party apps. The 48 MP JPEGs come from processing applied on it by the camera stack.
For further data, you can look on Camera2Test and most importantly, "dumpsys media.camera" command. "sensormode" is the keyword you're looking for in case of the latter. Then you'll get a 8000x6000 mode listed with a third number, which means the framerate, probably around 24 fps.
And any way, disable edge mode and denoising in Open Camera if you want to see something about IMX586 with bare eyes.[/QU
Thanks, I can see what you mean. It's a pity thow, that there is no a 48mp dng file which, in bright light might be very interesting , offering hight level of details.... I guess that with 1,75 f and binning, xiaomi's goal is a brighter image in the shortest shooting time. This kind of images are very good for internet media use, but in a big screen they are worse than images from older phones .
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Well, as said before, try setting edge mode off with denoising off in Open Camera, with Camera2 mode enabled and 48 MP resolution selected. You'll notice a rather good difference, but be aware of the color artifacts. BTW, the best 48 MP outputs available yet are coming from Honor View 20. Maybe Google will outperform that on Pixel 4, but it's just a guess.
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Hello there, other S10e owners,
Recently, I took advantage of an early Black Friday sale to get an S10e, the phone I was craving for a while. They said the image quality is on par with the Pixel 3 after the May update, but in reality, it's just as noisy and "oil-paintingish" as my Xperia Z1 Compact from four (!!!) years ago.
The samples are in the attachment of this forum post; the first and the third image was taken with the Google Camera app, and the second and forth one with the Samsung Camera app. The first two images were taken with HDR, but the latter ones without HDR.
As you can see in the non-HDR pictures, the Samsung Camera picture has less noise, but cold, washed-out colours and less detail thanks to the aggressive noise cancellation.
On the other hand, the Google Camera image has the correct colour representation and more detail, but with the sacrifice of noise cancellation.
With HDR+, though... Things get even worse. The Samsung Camera app now blurs out even more detail and the Google Camera app just cranks up the ISO to levels that make the image too bright.
In conclusion, the image quality is not on the promised levels, but I hope there's something I can do with it (like a good setup.xml file that can fix GCam to shoot exceptionally good images in both sun- and low light or fixing the Samsung Camera app). So, in order to fix this, I need your help. Please give me advice to pimp back up the image quality to the levels I saw in camera reviews.
Edit: Oops, I forgot to mention that I have the Exynos version.
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Hello there, other S10e owners,
Recently, I took advantage of an early Black Friday sale to get an S10e, the phone I was craving for a while. They said the image quality is on par with the Pixel 3 after the May update, but in reality, it's just as noisy and "oil-paintingish" as my Xperia Z1 Compact from four (!!!) years ago.
The samples are in the attachment of this forum post; the first and the third image was taken with the Google Camera app, and the second and forth one with the Samsung Camera app. The first two images were taken with HDR, but the latter ones without HDR.
As you can see in the non-HDR pictures, the Samsung Camera picture has less noise, but cold, washed-out colours and less detail thanks to the aggressive noise cancellation.
On the other hand, the Google Camera image has the correct colour representation and more detail, but with the sacrifice of noise cancellation.
With HDR+, though... Things get even worse. The Samsung Camera app now blurs out even more detail and the Google Camera app just cranks up the ISO to levels that make the image too bright.
In conclusion, the image quality is not on the promised levels, but I hope there's something I can do with it (like a good setup.xml file that can fix GCam to shoot exceptionally good images in both sun- and low light or fixing the Samsung Camera app). So, in order to fix this, I need your help. Please give me advice to pimp back up the image quality to the levels I saw in camera reviews.
Edit: Oops, I forgot to mention that I have the Exynos version.
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Please give me the Gcam download link. I couldn't find any Gcam version that worked well on my S10e Exynos. Thanks
Julyh0rse.ManU said:
Please give me the Gcam download link. I couldn't find any Gcam version that worked well on my S10e Exynos. Thanks
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If you can do something with it, here's the link: GCam Exynos APK
In sunlight, it should theoretically work with the stock settings, but they say it's recommended to change the auto-exposure correction to 1/2 sec, the Night Sight correction to 1/4 sec and the exposure compensation to -3,0 to get the best out of daytime GCam photos.
For Night Sight images, it's recommended to use the mackytravel-nightsight.xml file without any changes for outdoor night photos and for indoors, turn off auto-exposure correction and exposure compensation, change the Night Sight correction to 1
or 2 sec (depending on the level of darkness) and in the Advanced drop-down menu, turn off the ISO limit. This way, you can get more detail out from the S10e's powerful camera sensors.
Lastly, if you'd like to shoot something with the wide-angle lens, just change the auxiliary camera switching method to the long-press method.
You can find my GCam config folder with all of the said configuration files at the link here.
Just install the GCam apk, copy-paste the config folder to the root of your internal storage (/storage/emulated/0/) and double tap on the black area around the shutter button to choose between the three configuration files.
I've noticed a similar thing with my camera on my SD 855 model where images taken using the camera just don't look very natural or realistic. They look very much like a painting!
Currently I get better results with HDR on and scene optimiser turned off.
My iPhone 7 photos still look a bit more natural at times but obviously less detailed.
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