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Hi everyone is
concerned about the recent part of rice noodles care about the red rice phone 4 high version with Android 7.0, this proposal we have noticed very early, and the internal communication and coordination. The latest conclusion is that the red rice cell phone 4 version with no adaptation of Android 7.0 plan. Here's a detailed description of the situation with you.
Some people say that the underlying Android is not a very simple matter? In actual fact, each time the end-of-package version upgrade is a huge project, which involves various aspects of adaptation, adjustment, etc., the actual work is very complicated. Each Android version update, we will seriously evaluate, not to simply upgrade the Android version number and adaptation. In fact, many of MIUI system features experience even earlier than the Android version, such as rights management, wake up power-saving features such as MIUI is the first. We very much hope that through the MIUI system upgrade to bring you more fun and easy to use features.
After engineers, product managers and project management departments negotiate a number of comprehensive assessment and decision, red rice cell phone 4 high version with no current Android 7.x adaptation plan. But for everyone concerned about the split screen, portal, information assistant function, as well as MIUI 9 stable version of the release plan has some new progress, and here to share with you.
Split screen:
split screen team engineers are currently actively adapted based on Android 6.x models, is expected to go online in early January to 6.x trial version of the model to be tested until the test is completed, it will go online to the development version And follow-up stable version.
Portal:
Currently supports Android 5.x and above models.
Information Assistant:
Currently supports Android 5.x and above models, Android 4.4 version of the model support does not include "My expenses", "My Favorites" two cards other information assistant function.
MIUI 9 stable version:
Red rice cell phone 4 standard / high version of the MIUI 9 stable version has been tested in-house, is expected in mid-to-late open part of the rice for closed beta, to be tested after the push update to everyone upgrade, will push to upgrade, please everyone rest assured.
MIUI is committed to providing you with a better system experience. For the Android underlay, we also make a comprehensive evaluation based on the characteristics of different models to determine the fit plan. Thank you for your love of millet and MIUI team work understanding, and sometimes, do not say do not mean do not do, we must do a good job, this is MIUI
If you have a better idea, please leave a message with us Exchange ~
Source:
http://www.miui.com/thread-11634030-1-1.html
I guess its time to flush this mobile in toilet.
It was a nice sad story with Xiaomi and i wish this company will learn about valuable customers.
I still have faith in Xiaomi if they changed themselves.
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That was expected.But still noone gives a valid explanation why same hardwarre, different screen size phone will get android 7 and not RN4 prime.The whole situation is a joke.
kardinal969 said:
I guess its time to flush this mobile in toilet.
It was a nice sad story with Xiaomi and i wish this company will learn about valuable customers.
I still have faith in Xiaomi if they changed themselves.
Picture taken with OP5
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You can donate it to unterwelt instead of flushing it into toilet, that will help us to get oreo faster
T3sla said:
That was expected.But still noone gives a valid explanation why same hardwarre, different screen size phone will get android 7 and not RN4 prime.The whole situation is a joke.
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One possible explanation is that probably markw isn't actually a xiaomi's in-house product and they dumping it because ODM is failing to/not interested in/refusing to provide xiaomi with updated kernel/blobs. "It's too complex" explanation is too childish to be heard from technology corporation.
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One possible explanation is that probably markw isn't actually a xiaomi's in-house product and they dumping it because ODM is failing to/not interested in/refusing to provide xiaomi with updated kernel/blobs. "It's too complex" explanation is too childish to be heard from technology corporation.
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Not only childish but insulting too.You can't dump a phone you sell as prime/pro and people paid signifficant more money not only for better hardware but better support too.After mi2s and R4P i think i'm done with xiaomi.On top of that, it seems the new Redmi's have smaller batteries so i can't find a good reason to trust xiaomi for my next phone.
T3sla said:
Not only childish but insulting too.You can't dump a phone you sell as prime/pro and people paid signifficant more money not only for better hardware but better support too.After mi2s and R4P i think i'm done with xiaomi.On top of that, it seems the new Redmi's have smaller batteries so i can't find a good reason to trust xiaomi for my next phone.
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Yeah, their updated product line is pure disappointment. Bigger screens, smaller batteries, same SoCs. Meh.
Lets wait for their golden boy product, Redmi Note 5 that speculated to use snapdragon 636.
here is a post from en.miui.com: http://en.miui.com/thread-1001529-1-1.html
dels07 said:
Lets wait for their golden boy product, Redmi Note 5 that speculated to use snapdragon 636.
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Are they going to replace our markws with this at no price and will take legal obligations to provide base system updates for at least two major versions? No? Then thanks, but no, thanks. Personally, I'll keep using mine till noticeable battery degradation. Then I'll switch to other vendor.
dels07 said:
Lets wait for their golden boy product, Redmi Note 5 that speculated to use snapdragon 636.
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Yeah 636, the new holy grail for two more years i guess.So basically 10-15% performance bump, unknown support policy, significant smaller battery and no medium size screen.Oh right...maybe they'll make a prime version with sd 660, after 6-8 months of the first R5 release, wich will come with android 7 and stay with 7 just a few months before the R6 release.Nope...
kibuuka said:
Are they going to replace our markws with this at no price and will take legal obligations to provide base system updates for at least two major versions? No? Then thanks, but no, thanks. Personally, I'll keep using mine till noticeable battery degradation. Then I'll switch to other vendor.
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That is exactly my plan too.
There is a petition for Redmi 4 Prime.
If you want you can help us with it (or just try)
https://www.change.org/p/xiaomi-mas...ium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive
N1ck474 said:
There is a petition for Redmi 4 Prime.
If you want you can help us with it (or just try)
https://www.change.org/p/xiaomi-mas...ium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive
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Xiaomi constantly ignores requests on their own forum, what makes you think this petition would be noticed? I would rather suggest mass recruitment requests for beta-testing Oreo (who needs Nougat, anyway?) in a (very little) hope these requests are processed by officials (unlike forum requests that are moderated by usual users, mods there aren't xiaomi employees, afaik) and there will be some kind of output.
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Xiaomi constantly ignores requests on their own forum, what makes you think this petition would be noticed? I would rather suggest mass recruitment requests for beta-testing Oreo (who needs Nougat, anyway?) in a (very little) hope these requests are processed by officials (unlike forum requests that are moderated by usual users, mods there aren't xiaomi employees, afaik) and there will be some kind of output.
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I haven't created this petition, it's just a try from MIUI Forum, if you want you can help, if you don't it's ok, i've just shared the link.
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I haven't created this petition, it's just a try from MIUI Forum, if you want you can help, if you don't it's ok, i've just shared the link.
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I know where it originates from. Also, I signed it, though I think it's not going to work. Peace.
@N1ck474 not going to work dude :| History shows they don't give a damn about petitions.I signed though...
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@N1ck474 not going to work dude :| History shows they don't give a damn about petitions.I signed though...
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I know, but we don't lose anything so...why not?
Sort of official statement (provided by one of xiaomi forum's supermods) related to thread subject. In short words - maybe later. Not this time.
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Sort of official statement (provided by one of xiaomi forum's supermods) related to thread subject. In short words - maybe later. Not this time.
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Haha... complex issues in compatibility??? Guys are a joke, they even erase a message from brigudav.There is not going to be a "later" for sure.
redmi 5 plus vs redmi 4 prime = same spec. = Nougat 7.1 vs MM 6
xiaomi and the magic miui, sorry but you finished for me.
Now that Xiaomi has failed to deliver a timely update for the MI A1 and they have totally failed to communicate any issues in regard to the February update, we can rightfully assume that this phone can no longer be called an Android One phone.
Also, if Xiaomi's MIUI forums and Twitter are of any indication, they don't care about the MI A1 a tiny bit and they keep touting the MIUI Android skin.
If you want to say something about rooting, alternative ROMs or adb, please, don't. Most people have bought into the Android One project/promises. They have been deceived.
It's far fetched to say that Xiaomi has failed as whole. They have delivered this far and yes, sometimes they publicly indicate that MIUI>STOCK Android by deleting the comparison poll. I think the whole issue is with Google taking multiple Android one projects and then ignoring/forgetting about older projects, and Xiaomi just aggravating the delay.
birdie said:
Now that Xiaomi has failed to deliver a timely update for the MI A1 and they have totally failed to communicate any issues in regard to the February update, we can rightfully assume that this phone can no longer be called an Android One phone.
Also, if Xiaomi's MIUI forums and Twitter are of any indication, they don't care about the MI A1 a tiny bit and they keep touting the MIUI Android skin.
If you want to say something about rooting, alternative ROMs or adb, please, don't. Most people have bought into the Android One project/promises. They have been deceived.
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Can we do something to make them realize wgat they're doing is wrong? They need to know what they're users feel not individually but being united somehow might help!!
You really shouldn't worry. One single security update is not gonna kill you, so to speak. I'm pretty sure they are doing a ton of work just to bring a better experience than it is now.
Don't forget their holidays. They haven't been able to work on the device for quite a while, so I'm sure they'll come up with March security update faster than February, if they will.
Wow. A Brand new thread on Xiaomi hate. Keep up the good work.
@[OP] I have request that you should change "we" in your statement "we can assume....a1 is not an android one phone." To "i/me and like minded people".
Why such a bizzare request?
1) "We" represents a much larger group.
2) Your assumption won't change the fact that A1 was/is/will be an android one phone. (Not a fan. But in general too tired of threads like this popping up.
3) just like this thread my post is pointless too.
4) i may have been insensitive earlier. I dont know your pain and suffering. In India you can go to consumer court and file a complaint on false advertisement. Maybe you have something like that in your country. Or you can just sue them for the deception, false advertisement, physical/mental/emotional suffering, etc. You may even get compensated. Good luck.
And if anyone wants to debate over it please drop me a PM.
Regards.
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0_RoXoR_0 said:
Can we do something to make them realize wgat they're doing is wrong? They need to know what they're users feel not individually but being united somehow might help!!
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United? Individually? What they're doing is wrong?
Really
Are you from some part of world where xiaomi is your oppressor like Admiral-General Aladeen and he's forcing you guys to use this phone at gun point ( safety is set to aladeen).
Trolling aside i really hope you are not living under dictatorship.
In free countries you can choose your phones. And there are hundreds of choices.
Long live freedom
Monthly updates for the Mi A1 were never promised by Xiaomi or Google. U misinterpreted "regular security software updates". Try to find a original Xiaomi or Google source saying montly, you will only find regular or frequent.
Example...
With frequent security updates and Google Play Protect, Android One phones are among the most secure. Google Play Protect automatically finds and disables threats while notifying you of anything you may need to look at further.
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So just stop expecting monthly updates, they were never promised officialy.
I agree. It has been two months since the last update, and the battery issues are still not resolved. Low quality 8.0 from December is still the latest official build and we have march already. 8.1 is out for like 4 months? Xiaomi succeeded with mi a1, yet they treat it like an unwanted child. Never seen a worse support, to be honest.
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I agree. It has been two months since the last update, and the battery issues are still not resolved. Low quality 8.0 from December is still the latest official build and we have march already. 8.1 is out for like 4 months? Xiaomi succeeded with mi a1, yet they treat it like an unwanted child. Never seen a worse support, to be honest.
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To be honest?
What was promised? Android 8.0, Android 8.1?
No, you were promised AndroidO (not a numer). You'll also get AndroidP.
And again, you were never promised monthly patches.
alkesh95 said:
Wow. A Brand new thread on Xiaomi hate. Keep up the good work.
@[OP] I have request that you should change "we" in your statement "we can assume....a1 is not an android one phone." To "i/me and like minded people".
Why such a bizzare request?
1) "We" represents a much larger group.
2) Your assumption won't change the fact that A1 was/is/will be an android one phone. (Not a fan. But in general too tired of threads like this popping up.
3) just like this thread my post is pointless too.
4) i may have been insensitive earlier. I dont know your pain and suffering. In India you can go to consumer court and file a complaint on false advertisement. Maybe you have something like that in your country. Or you can just sue them for the deception, false advertisement, physical/mental/emotional suffering, etc. You may even get compensated. Good luck.
And if anyone wants to debate over it please drop me a PM.
Regards.
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United? Individually? What they're doing is wrong?
Really
Are you from some part of world where xiaomi is your oppressor like Admiral-General Aladeen and he's forcing you guys to use this phone at gun point ( safety is set to aladeen).
Trolling aside i really hope you are not living under dictatorship.
In free countries you can choose your phones. And there are hundreds of choices.
Long live freedom
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Understand what I mean to say we are their customers n we need to make them realize about what their customers think about them all together idk y I've been facing so dumb people on xda nowadays who can't understand their customer rights, we are consumers n we have some consumer rights I hope u learned a bit of economics in school ofc if u ever went to rather than trolling add a lil stress to ur tiny brain with lame sense of humour n think about it....
Regards ?
Edit: united as in we people ask individually what's wrong and they shu us of with silly reasons like postponed, think lil bit bigger I don't find a single point of urs on target what dictatorship? We chose them to serve with their services n their products n if they don't do it we should take necessary measures
I don't even understand why do I need to explain such simole things so briefly as if u were a kindergarten kid who had no idea about it
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My post was right on point I wonder y these kids with low IQ wanna debate on things they don't understand or don't think before typing huge paragraphs with their lame sarcasm to prove their point which doesn't make any sense just to show how dumb they are..!
ГАСООП said:
I agree. It has been two months since the last update
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i received last update on 24/26 February, so is 1 month and some days, not 2 months.
also, there are user receiving yesterday the stable February update, seems.
why this kind of topic are full of people complaining exaggerating things like my grandma?
people, seriously...
0_RoXoR_0 said:
Understand what I mean to say we are their customers n we need to make them realize about what their customers think about them all together idk y I've been facing so dumb people on xda nowadays who can't understand their customer rights, we are consumers n we have some consumer rights I hope u learned a bit of economics in school ofc if u ever went to rather than trolling add a lil stress to ur tiny brain with lame sense of humour n think about it....
Regards ?
Edit: united as in we people ask individually what's wrong and they shu us of with silly reasons like postponed, think lil bit bigger I don't find a single point of urs on target what dictatorship? We chose them to serve with their services n their products n if they don't do it we should take necessary measures
I don't even understand why do I need to explain such simole things so briefly as if u were a kindergarten kid who had no idea about it
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My post was right on point I wonder y these kids with low IQ wanna debate on things they don't understand or don't think before typing huge paragraphs with their lame sarcasm to prove their point which doesn't make any sense just to show how dumb they are..!
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Get lost from xda n go cry inside mi's hq... maybe they can help...noobs
I got no problem with the MiA1, from whatever point..
I use it, I maximize it, I optimize it, for my daily mobile warrior.. MiA1 is fun, MiA1 is awesome and to me for me it delivers what it says... aside from the camera, which I installed the GCam
regular updates does not mean monthly update.. if its not broken (totally) why fix it?! :silly:
don't hate something too much, if you don't like your phone.. sell it then buy something else like those much more expensive phones and also has many flaws / bugs.. heey even the pixel or the S8 has flaws and bugs.. :victory:
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Get lost from xda n go cry inside mi's hq... maybe they can help...noobs
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Lol:laugh:
Yet another hate thread about xiaomi. This above me me is kinda right why not make a thread on mi forums so that admins and mods can read it.
Be happy that your phone is always up to date other oem dont care about updating their phone monthly.
Im sick of this kinda of thread making XDA like Mi Forums!
This should be closed to avoid arguing and hate.
ГАСООП said:
I agree. It has been two months since the last update, and the battery issues are still not resolved. Low quality 8.0 from December is still the latest official build and we have march already. 8.1 is out for like 4 months? Xiaomi succeeded with mi a1, yet they treat it like an unwanted child. Never seen a worse support, to be honest.
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You clearly haven't used android for a long time. I have seen far worse support.
It's all about priorities. Just like a booty call is priority when compared to other task. MIUI has much higher priority as they have invested in that since the beginning of Xiaomi. A1 is the bastard child of xiaomi with Google. That's why it gets left out.
0_RoXoR_0 said:
Understand what I mean to say we are their customers n we need to make them realize about what their customers think about them all together idk y I've been facing so dumb people on xda nowadays who can't understand their customer rights, we are consumers n we have some consumer rights I hope u learned a bit of economics in school ofc if u ever went to rather than trolling add a lil stress to ur tiny brain with lame sense of humour n think about it....
Regards ?
Edit: united as in we people ask individually what's wrong and they shu us of with silly reasons like postponed, think lil bit bigger I don't find a single point of urs on target what dictatorship? We chose them to serve with their services n their products n if they don't do it we should take necessary measures
I don't even understand why do I need to explain such simole things so briefly as if u were a kindergarten kid who had no idea about it
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My post was right on point I wonder y these kids with low IQ wanna debate on things they don't understand or don't think before typing huge paragraphs with their lame sarcasm to prove their point which doesn't make any sense just to show how dumb they are..!
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Screw infractions.
Do you even know what you are talking about. You bought that device on your own. You aren't stuck with it. You can sell/exchange. Let's assume you are stuck.
Economics you said right. So according to you it must walk in park to make cheap devices with acceptable hardware.
The moment you bought it you knew you were compromising. ( Only people who are allowed to deny this are those who has a1 as secondary/test device).
How many devices are there with oreo in same price range. F**k oreo. How many device got Jan update in same price range.(nougat)
Don't forget money is the most important factor.
Quality of a commodity is directly proportional to its cost.
Let that commodity be food you eat, roof under you live, even good toilet papers cost more money then normal ones and people use both types to do just one thing wipe the sh!t.
Let's get back to you being a great, kind, fearless, bravehearted, benevolent customer to Xiaomi.
If you go to fight Xiaomi even with like minded people. You will eat dirt majestically.
Why because the powerusers are small percentage of a larger user group.
And Xiaomi wants to sell these device to that larger group not you. If Xiaomi knew you personally they will never sell you their phones.
Do you even know why XDA exist?
Certainly not for *****ing against OEM.
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wawing_b said:
I got no problem with the MiA1, from whatever point..
I use it, I maximize it, I optimize it, for my daily mobile warrior.. MiA1 is fun, MiA1 is awesome and to me for me it delivers what it says... aside from the camera, which I installed the GCam
regular updates does not mean monthly update.. if its not broken (totally) why fix it?! :silly:
don't hate something too much, if you don't like your phone.. sell it then buy something else like those much more expensive phones and also has many flaws / bugs.. heey even the pixel or the S8 has flaws and bugs.. :victory:
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Please find more people like you and bring them here.
alkesh95 said:
You clearly haven't used android for a long time. I have seen far worse support.
It's all about priorities. Just like a booty call is priority when compared to other task. MIUI has much higher priority as they have invested in that since the beginning of Xiaomi. A1 is the bastard child of xiaomi with Google. That's why it gets left out.
Screw infractions.
Do you even know what you are talking about. You bought that device on your own. You aren't stuck with it. You can sell/exchange. Let's assume you are stuck.
Economics you said right. So according to you it must walk in park to make cheap devices with acceptable hardware.
The moment you bought it you knew you were compromising. ( Only people who are allowed to deny this are those who has a1 as secondary/test device).
How many devices are there with oreo in same price range. F**k oreo. How many device got Jan update in same price range.(nougat)
Don't forget money is the most important factor.
Quality of a commodity is directly proportional to its cost.
Let that commodity be food you eat, roof under you live, even good toilet papers cost more money then normal ones and people use both types to do just one thing wipe the sh!t.
Let's get back to you being a great, kind, fearless, bravehearted, benevolent customer to Xiaomi.
If you go to fight Xiaomi even with like minded people. You will eat dirt majestically.
Why because the powerusers are small percentage of a larger user group.
And Xiaomi wants to sell these device to that larger group not you. If Xiaomi knew you personally they will never sell you their phones.
Do you even know why XDA exist?
Certainly not for *****ing against OEM.
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Please find more people like you and bring them here.
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There is no point in debating with fools they always bring up something pointless and try to prove they are right
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apexashwin said:
Get lost from xda n go cry inside mi's hq... maybe they can help...noobs
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Who are u to tell me what to do fk off
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t0per666 said:
Lol:laugh:
Yet another hate thread about xiaomi. This above me me is kinda right why not make a thread on mi forums so that admins and mods can read it.
Be happy that your phone is always up to date other oem dont care about updating their phone monthly.
Im sick of this kinda of thread making XDA like Mi Forums!
This should be closed to avoid arguing and hate.
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Yeah I meant to ask y'all something like this but some fools wanna debate pointelessly ssly N get offended for no reason anywayd thnx for suggestions bro
Already saw thousands of posts on Mi forum about the same topic which are of no use. Save xda from this crap.
Oh this guy again, IDK what a little delay in OTA harms you, but seeing your thread history you are kinda of a cry baby, even with your LE phone.
Hmm
The original thread you made to do this was closed. Please do not open up any more, this is likely to end up in the same flame filled content. Furthermore, its against the rules to duplicate threads.
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With rumours of Treble support coming along with 8.1 that have been debunked by the actual updates, I couldn't help but wonder how plausible it even is that we'll be getting Treble-support on our devices? I know that the Pixel got it and some other devices that came with Nougat got it as well but I can appreciate the complexity of the situation. That being said, I wanted to start a discussion, trying to gain some knowledge by people who have a deeper understanding of how Treble works and how plausible this actually happening for us.
Also, if we were to stay on the a/b partition system without Treble support, how plausible would it be that Xiaomi keeps its promise to deliver Android P for the Mi A1? I get the feeling that it'll be more or less obligated to be able to upgrade.
This is not an attempt to complain about update frequency, I'm very content with the monthly updates and if updates stop I'm pretty sure custom ROMs will provide us with extended support. I'm just trying to get some more insight and I know that there are a lot of people on this forum who have a lot of knowledge to share about stuff like this.
The thing is that xiaomi will never care about this phone and i bet that mi a2 will have the same end. No Support. I think that xiaomi was not really ready to make an android one phone.
billis2020 said:
The thing is that xiaomi will never care about this phone and i bet that mi a2 will have the same end. No Support. I think that xiaomi was not really ready to make an android one phone.
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I don't really agree with that. We've gotten updates every month, we were one of the first to get Oreo, one of the first to get 8.1. If you look at the Android adoptions rates and the Android One project guidelines, objectively speaking, we really have nothing to complain about.
That aside, i wasn't looking for subjective comments on why Xiaomi "isn't doing a good job" but more for comments that can give me more knowledge on the questions I was asking.
How can people say xiaomi doesn't care about this phone? We've been getting updates consistently every 3rd week of every month and among the 3% of all phones in the world to actually have Oreo 8.1. Think about that for a moment....
Look at all the other OEMs, LG barely just updated it's almost 2 year old LG V20 to Oreo 8.0, not even 8 1 and it'll get stuck on oreo 8.0. They haven't given the V10 a single uodate for almost more than a year and y'all still complain about the Mi A1?
Also keep in mind that all OEMs will have bugs in initial releases of updates that eventually, are fixed in a timely manner.
Y'all seriously need to chill. If you want daily updates, go develop your own rom and stop complaining.
berezker said:
How can people say xiaomi doesn't care about this phone?
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people like to create drama, always.
I don't think they will add treble support for this device. But who knows!
Well I thought it was impossible because messing with the partition table could lead to bricked devices, but seeing the treble port and even Android P is kinda giving me hope we'll get it in some update (Android P perhaps, after it's release this or next month).
here's my opinion, Xiaomi is unlikely to give A1 a treble support, but constant update will be given to the phone, and as far as I can tell Xiaomi is trying their best to give the user a bug-free experience, I mean it's their first time giving a REAL stock android experience, heck A1 made them more popular... I think?
PaulDnoOb said:
here's my opinion, Xiaomi is unlikely to give A1 a treble support, but constant update will be given to the phone, and as far as I can tell Xiaomi is trying their best to give the user a bug-free experience, I mean it's their first time giving a REAL stock android experience, heck A1 made them more popular... I think?
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I have no doubts about the constant updates. They have been very consistent and monthly so they are doing a very good job at that.
I don't know if someone can give me a more technical explaination of how OTA Treble support would work and what the risks are, that would be nice. Also does anyone know what the requirements are when it comes to Android P? Will Treble be required to be able to upgrade?
I find a lot of info pointing out the dangers of moving from a/b to Treble but I can't seem to find any good ELI5 info that explains why
berezker said:
How can people say xiaomi doesn't care about this phone? We've been getting updates consistently every 3rd week of every month and among the 3% of all phones in the world to actually have Oreo 8.1. Think about that for a moment....
Look at all the other OEMs, LG barely just updated it's almost 2 year old LG V20 to Oreo 8.0, not even 8 1 and it'll get stuck on oreo 8.0. They haven't given the V10 a single uodate for almost more than a year and y'all still complain about the Mi A1?
Also keep in mind that all OEMs will have bugs in initial releases of updates that eventually, are fixed in a timely manner.
Y'all seriously need to chill. If you want daily updates, go develop your own rom and stop complaining.
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I couldn't agree more, I open this thread trying to educate myself on Treble and Android P upgrading process and the very first comment is about how Xioami isn't doing a good job with the Mi A1
Mi A1 is an Android One device which should get an priority to having updates to the latest version asap as Google stated, so comparing Mi A1 with other device that out of the Android One Program is nonsense.
From the very first release of the device Mi A1 get poorly support from Xiaomi, which includes very late deploying source code that almost make the device developing community dies.
Actually the monthly update is just 'OK', everyone knows that we received new bugs on every update even with they have beta program to testing before deploy the stable release.
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Mi A1 is an Android One device which should get an priority to having updates to the latest version asap as Google stated, so comparing Mi A1 with other device that out of the Android One Program is nonsense.
From the very first release of the device Mi A1 get poorly support from Xiaomi, which includes very late deploying source code that almost make the device developing community dies.
Actually the monthly update is just 'OK', everyone knows that we received new bugs on every update even with they have beta program to testing before deploy the stable release.
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Thanks for your contribution, now all my questions are answered. Thanks!
Aside from the cynical remark to yet another pointless comment that's completely besides the questions I was asking I want to add that you people shouldn't hijack every thread that has the keyword "update" in it to start whining. I actually want to gather some knowledge and so far half of the comments are completely pointless. Here are some facts for you guys, please mess up someone else's thread, thanks.
Android adoption rates
Android One update guidelines
Let me try to be helpful here:
What do you mean by plausible? Plausible is a word for liberal arts, philosophy, literature and other abstract studies or fields. In development, engineering fields no such word is being used. So let us first replace that word, with another one that makes sense.
Is it possible? Yes, everything is.
Is it doable? Yes, it is.
Will Xiaomi ever do it? I can't say for sure since I'm not in anyway affiliated with the development team of Mi A1 updates, but my bet would be on "No".
Now let me explain my reasoning behind this.
To recreate the partition table required for project treble to work (separate system and vendor partitions basically) you need to format your phone. They can't just send an OTA that wipes people's phones. Xiaomi releases an update where the notification led does not blink and people lose their minds. Just imagine what would happen if they put a disclaimer on the OTA, that tells people to backup because the OTA update will wipe their phones for treble support re-partitioning. The majority of people wouldn't even read it and then flood the forums to cry about it (you are experiencing it in this very thread). People expect Google Pixel-like experience (even pixel has hardware and software issues every month) from a 150$ smartphone. You can't afford to do things like that as a company, when you know that your audience is going to publicly execute you, even when they are at fault. It is just not worth it.
There is a make-shift way to enable treble support without re-partitioning and without wiping the phone, but no separate vendor partition is created (Asus has done is on zenfone 3 and google has done it for pixel and pixel xl). However, this procedure is again somewhat risky and could cause soft to semi-hard bricks and alleviates almost all the benefits of project treble due to not having that separate partition. So again, not worth it.
If I was Xiaomi, knowing my customers, I wouldn't have done it either as a marketing strategy. Give people stable updates, less stuff to worry and complain about and also avoid any risky situations that could put the company's name on the front-pages of bad news.
I hope I helped
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Let me try to be helpful here:
What do you mean by plausible? Plausible is a word for liberal arts, philosophy, literature and other abstract studies or fields. In development, engineering fields no such word is being used. So let us first replace that word, with another one that makes sense.
Is it possible? Yes, everything is.
Is it doable? Yes, it is.
Will Xiaomi ever do it? I can't say for sure since I'm not in anyway affiliated with the development team of Mi A1 updates, but my bet would be on "No".
Now let me explain my reasoning behind this.
To recreate the partition table required for project treble to work (separate system and vendor partitions basically) you need to format your phone. They can't just send an OTA that wipes people's phones. Xiaomi releases an update where the notification led does not blink and people lose their minds. Just imagine what would happen if they put a disclaimer on the OTA, that tells people to backup because the OTA update will wipe their phones for treble support re-partitioning. The majority of people wouldn't even read it and then flood the forums to cry about it (you are experiencing it in this very thread). People expect Google Pixel-like experience (even pixel has hardware and software issues every month) from a 150$ smartphone. You can't afford to do things like that as a company, when you know that your audience is going to publicly execute you, even when they are at fault. It is just not worth it.
There is a make-shift way to enable treble support without re-partitioning and without wiping the phone, but no separate vendor partition is created (Asus has done is on zenfone 3 and google has done it for pixel and pixel xl). However, this procedure is again somewhat risky and could cause soft to semi-hard bricks and alleviates almost all the benefits of project treble due to not having that separate partition. So again, not worth it.
If I was Xiaomi, knowing my customers, I wouldn't have done it either as a marketing strategy. Give people stable updates, less stuff to worry and complain about and also avoid any risky situations that could put the company's name on the front-pages of bad news.
I hope I helped
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Thanks, this was actually helpful. I completely agree that procedures like that would flood all Mi A1 forums with people who didn't inform themselves and it would backfire so that makes perfect sense. I didn't knew that the procedure Google did for the Pixel phones did not unlock full Treble capabilities, kind of strange that they decided to take the risk at all for that.
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Thanks, this was actually helpful. I completely agree that procedures like that would flood all Mi A1 forums with people who didn't inform themselves and it would backfire so that makes perfect sense. I didn't knew that the procedure Google did for the Pixel phones did not unlock full Treble capabilities, kind of strange that they decided to take the risk at all for that.
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Well since they are at the forefront of Android development they are required to have the latest and greatest thing as they promised for the Pixel lineup. They were somewhat forced to do it because they promised for it. Imagine Google not keeping true to their written statements to customers.
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Mi A1 is an Android One device which should get an priority to having updates to the latest version asap as Google stated, so comparing Mi A1 with other device that out of the Android One Program is nonsense.
From the very first release of the device Mi A1 get poorly support from Xiaomi, which includes very late deploying source code that almost make the device developing community dies.
Actually the monthly update is just 'OK', everyone knows that we received new bugs on every update even with they have beta program to testing before deploy the stable release.
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Get a new phone then lol
Let me give you a piece of advice, OP
If you want an actual, on-topic and useful discussion, NEVER do that on either XDA or MIUI (Much worse btw)
The only people who can discuss these topics mindfully are the developers and a few handful of people that don't get triggered the moment they see the word "update"
Good luck to you
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Get a new phone then lol
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Why would I have to? We already have strong developing community which is better than manufacturer's support.
berezker said:
Let me give you a piece of advice, OP
If you want an actual, on-topic and useful discussion, NEVER do that on either XDA or MIUI (Much worse btw)
The only people who can discuss these topics mindfully are the developers and a few handful of people that don't get triggered the moment they see the word "update"
Good luck to you
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I actually deleted my account at the MIUI forum because of the poisonous attitude people have over there. The little useful information people post on there is buried immediately by brainless toddlers who clearly don't know how a forum works.
Maybe I was naive thinking this section of XDA would be better but at least a couple of people in these 17 comments were actually helpful so yeah ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Why would I have to? We already have strong developing community which is better than manufacturer's support.
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Look man, if you have nothing relevant to say about what I'm asking here just don't comment. I didn't create this thread to give complainers like you another platform to post your unfounded and subjective views on support for our device. If you want to see what the Android One update guidelines or the Android adoption rates are, scroll up, I've posted the links. Educate yourself. But please, stop with the complaining, my thread is not the place for it. If you want to contribute be my guest, if you don't, leave.
cmon man, I was answered the one I quoted to.
Did you tried to fight with everyone who doesn't the same as yours?
For what I thought about the topic, ofc it should be 'No' and also you shoudn't pretend yourself and believe on what you think.
If Xiaomi want to do, they will do, but also think that they just released Mi A2 Lite which should be replaced Mi A1 eventually
It's a marketing, business things.
Last thing is, if you really want to make some topic support, just make some online petition and spread them, and I would sign them one if someone make it.
Like somebody said, making the discussion in here is useless, Xiaomi customer support or something else wouldn't response them.
Hello,
today morning I saw this on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/com...e_to/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I don't know if it's true or not, but I wanted to share it ?
I posted this also in the Global Telegram group, but I got banned I don't know why, but it doesn't matter ?
Edt: Here's the direct link to MiCommunity: https://c.mi.com/thread-2830599-1-0.html?utm_source=share&utm_medium=twitter
The phone launched with Oreo (and it's an Android one phone)
They must update to Android 10 like the A2 (must get at least 3 years of security updates) the A2 lite launched the same day as the A2
U can be calm about it and don't believe the chat support?
I personally dont care what call center says. But if its true Xiaomi will lose our and Google's respect. That means they will join Huawei ban caravan. Another reason for Xiaomi ban. Xiaomi doesnt want ban, arent you Xiaomi?
Usual clueless support staff. I'm sure we'll get the update... probably after A3, so march (...?)
If you look at the screenshot, "Xiaomi support dude" is saying that Mi A2 will get Android 10 within this week (written at 22 Jan 2020). I might be mistaken but, considering that Mi A2 got the update about two weeks ago, we can conclude that Xiaomi support dudes know nothing at all lol.
Time to go custom rom if this is true.
C'mon guys. I know we're all tired of waiting but we all should know by now that Xiaomi support has no more information than we have.
We will get the 10 update either way we don't know when
The guy is clearly clueless. Speaking to Xiaomi reps on chat is like trying to measure both position and speed of a subatomic particle: The indetermination principle forbids you from gathering all the relevant information at once .
The A2 Android 10 update got pulled out last week, since it was less than half baked, and it was causing a plethora of different issues. It should be resuming now. This obviously impacts us, since the small number of developers Xiaomi devotes to the A1 program can barely deal with the issues of cooking a ROM for one device at the time. On top of that, most of the Xiaomi guys on chat don't even have a clue of the difference between MIUI and Android One.
So let's all calm down here, and wait until they consider the A2 issues solved. I for one know I won't be Guinea pigging for Xiaomi, and will surely wait a couple of weeks after they release the A10 OTA to update my device.
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Hello,
today morning I saw this on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/com...e_to/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I don't know if it's true or not, but I wanted to share it ?
I posted this also in the Global Telegram group, but I got banned I don't know why, but it doesn't matter ?
Edt: Here's the direct link to MiCommunity: https://c.mi.com/thread-2830599-1-0.html?utm_source=share&utm_medium=twitter
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It has to get Android 10 by the rules of Android one. Xiaomi can't break the rules
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaom...-Lite-after-just-one-OS-upgrade.451259.0.html
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https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaom...-Lite-after-just-one-OS-upgrade.451259.0.html
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Clickbait
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Clickbait
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No, it's actually really good that someone is writing about it. If nothing, it will get some views and might grab attention of some bigger media causing bigger impact. It's a shame that you can get Q up and running from community members that don't get anything from it and do it in their free time but the manufacturer fails to do so. Community ROMs might not be perfect, but stock is neither.
Noam5651 said:
The phone launched with Oreo (and it's an Android one phone)
They must update to Android 10 like the A2 (must get at least 3 years of security updates) the A2 lite launched the same day as the A2
U can be calm about it and don't believe the chat support
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In theory, yes, but Google also agreed it's up to the manufacturers, so, if they behave like they did with other devices in the past, they might not bring an update to Android 10, only giving security patches.
FRibeiro1400 said:
In theory, yes, but Google also agreed it's up to the manufacturers, so, if they behave like they did with other devices in the past, they might not bring an update to Android 10, only giving security patches.
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Not in a theory. Xiaomi signed agreement.
Xiaomi have no excuse!
The agreement is to provide monthly updates for at least 3 years.
Can't find anywhere that they are obligated to upgrade two Android versions.
xbs said:
The agreement is to provide monthly updates for at least 3 years.
Can't find anywhere that they are obligated to upgrade two Android versions.
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Where did you look at.
perfect_ said:
Where did you look at.
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Google Android One.
andraslate said:
Google Android One.
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Link
"With monthly security updates** and Google Play Protect integrated, Android One phones are among the most secure."
"** Confirm exact duration of support for phones in your territory with smartphone manufacturer. Monthly security updates to be supported for at least 3 years after initial phone release."
Source: https://www.android.com/one/
xbs said:
"With monthly security updates** and Google Play Protect integrated, Android One phones are among the most secure."
"** Confirm exact duration of support for phones in your territory with smartphone manufacturer. Monthly security updates to be supported for at least 3 years after initial phone release."
Source: https://www.android.com/one/
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There is a difference between looking and seeing.
As a manufacturer of phones you obviously have to evaluate a number of things in the design, capability, performance, marketing and support of any new product.
Users however, once they've bought their device, only care about one thing and that's support.
It seems clear, that some bean counters within Xiaomi have looked at the disappointing sales for the product, then have made a determination that providing ongoing support is not cost effective, that is a mistake and I'll explain why.
There maybe only a million users of this device worldwide, but turning a flagship phone into an abandonware device, within a year, is just not good business practice for a fledgling manufacturer trying to carve a niche out for for itself in a ridiculously competitive market. Not because of the million customers you'll upset, frankly in the big scheme of things that doesn't matter, but every new product you launch from here on forward has to get reviews and many of those reviews will make reference to your disdain for your paying customers, so it's not the million current users that are impacted, it's the hundreds of millions of future potential users who will read reviews that point out your happy to dump them if it suits you. That's just not good practice.
A companies reputation is the singularly most valuable intellectual property it owns, if you're happy to have a corporate mentality that will just p*ss that up against the wall you're certain to fail in the long term.
Make a commitment to at least deliver Android 10 to the platform, it'll pay you back in spades in the long term.
I can understand where you are going with this, but two things. First, Android 10 is available for perseus, not sure about andromeda. Second, Xiaomi will almost certainly never read this. If you are going to post this, I suggest putting it on their bulletin boards. I am a beta tester for Xiaomi, and I can tell you the frustration in the communication groups from users of Mix devices is obvious. Redmi "value" devices get more frequent and sooner updates, which is irritating. There are users in the communication groups used for this, almost always from India or the Middle East that demand updates, spam PM admins (including Xiaomi employees) via these tools, and the forums, asking repeatedly every week or more often for updates for their Redmi devices, and why Android 11 isn't available etc. The company is having to deal with that, and the same level of spam on the boards. Unfortunately, it seems the squeaky wheel gets the grease from Xiaomi.
I agree the Mix 3 flagship that I paid almost $700 for, not including a month shipping wait and the shipping cost, feels more like a bargain Motorola device on update frequency and speed. I hear you. This may be my last Xioami device.
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I can understand where you are going with this, but two things......
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Thanks for the reply, but honestly, I have better things to do then chase a company who seem intent on self destruction, if they need me to nag them into understanding what a sheeeet sandwich this is then some very senior management are just really stupido dumb frucks.
That said, they've got a lot of 'The product' end well sorted out, but haven't yet worked out reviewers remember.
Stay safe
As a blogger and as a part of the Xiaomi Staff, i must say that you're right: awful support for "Andromeda". I wish to be sincere with you, as a long time xda user. We had an internal Zoom Live Conference three days ago, i cannot reveal about what it was, but i can say you that we also talked A LOT about the Mi Mix 3 5G version. Has been said that the MIUI 11 + Android 10 update (that was supposed to come) have been pushed into very few devices but as soon as they pushed it, they just stopped it. That happened "because we found problems that may irreparably harm the device". So the missing update was because they found problems...anyway the low sales of the devices probably made them lose interest in trying to fix that problems because a lot of orher devices were launching, and nowadays they sold a lot well compared to Mix 5G. The same things happens with MIUI 12. First some rumors said that the device would receive the update, then other rumors said not...but the truth is in the middle for Xiaomi. In the Zoom call we heard that developers didn't abandoned at all the possibility to update the device and they're trying to fix problems, it may come very late...but at least it may come. I don't have any other news about that. I've seen a petition around so you all made all you can do. Me, as user, i'm really angry too because before buying a Mix 3 (4G version) i was so tented in buying the 5G version instead, and seeing that as now it has little to none suoport...well makes me feel very angry and i underatand you all for that reason. I can say that something is moving, so don't give up.
Last thing. Take this as confidential for obvious reasons. Thank you
For anyone that is interested here is my reply from Xiaomi customer support:
EDIT: See following post
Screenshot (original reply from Xiaomi 15 May)
If they are struggling with MIUI I'm sure a fair few of us on here would appreciate a stock android 10
An update would be very nice indeed but let's not forget the phone in my opinion is amazing I do love a fresh update though
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As a blogger and as a part of the Xiaomi Staff,
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Any truth to this......
https://c.mi.com/thread-3095276-1-0.html?t=1590251730244
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Any truth to this......
https://c.mi.com/thread-3095276-1-0.html?t=1590251730244
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Yes, they’re planning to. But as you can see the device does not appear in any of the official list avaible. They’re moving with caution. As soon as I have more concrete info (if the company doesn’t officially speak) rest assured that I’ll write them here
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Interesting development here from Xiaomi Espana:
https://twitter.com/XiaomiEspana/status/1264105654786146304?s=19
For non Twitter users:
Buenos días. El Mi Mix 3 5G recibirá actualizaciones de MIUI 12 bajo Android 9 a partir de octubre. Muchas gracias
For non Spanish speakers:
Good Morning. The Mi Mix 3 5G will receive MIUI 12 updates under Android 9 starting in October. Thank you
pow01 said:
Interesting development here from Xiaomi Espana:
https://twitter.com/XiaomiEspana/status/1264105654786146304?s=19
For non Twitter users:
Buenos días. El Mi Mix 3 5G recibirá actualizaciones de MIUI 12 bajo Android 9 a partir de octubre. Muchas gracias
For non Spanish speakers:
Good Morning. The Mi Mix 3 5G will receive MIUI 12 updates under Android 9 starting in October. Thank you
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Under Android 9 is no good, we want Android 10
pinsb said:
Under Android 9 is no good, we want Android 10
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Twitter account don’t know anything, don’t trust them. No official statement has been made as we are speaking
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pow01 said:
Interesting development here from Xiaomi Espana:
https://twitter.com/XiaomiEspana/status/1264105654786146304?s=19
For non Twitter users:
Buenos días. El Mi Mix 3 5G recibirá actualizaciones de MIUI 12 bajo Android 9 a partir de octubre. Muchas gracias
For non Spanish speakers:
Good Morning. The Mi Mix 3 5G will receive MIUI 12 updates under Android 9 starting in October. Thank you
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Yeah that's the paln. Very disappointed tough. People wanted (and DESERVED) an OS update. Also i'd like to tell everyone that on 5th September, Mi MIX 3 and a bunch of other smartphones will stop getting BETA weeklies.
Giuskiller said:
Yeah that's the paln. Very disappointed tough. People wanted (and DESERVED) an OS update. Also i'd like to tell everyone that on 5th September, Mi MIX 3 and a bunch of other smartphones will stop getting BETA weeklies.
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Sorry, I'm a little confused.
Does that mean there will not be an update to Android 10 at all?
pinsb said:
Sorry, I'm a little confused.
Does that mean there will not be an update to Android 10 at all?
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Yes, i think. Unfortunately that's what it seems
Wow!!
That's just appalling.
Everyone who reads this should make sure that every YouTube or Online review for any Xiaomi product going forward reminds people about this abandonware policy, really is a terrible decision by a company trying to make a name for themselves in this crowded marketplace, looks like they may end up making the wrong kind of name.
This is what happens when you release 74892746729 models. You can't take care of them. I want to get back to the mi4-mi5 era where we had so many updates.