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Hi all i want to ask if overclocking is a good think because i have a galaxy w and some month ago i clock my processor from 1.4 to 1.8 gHz (single core).. now the battery life is very reduced, but i don't know if it is caused by the clock or if is the time that have my phone.. i used the clock speed for one week max just for play a hard game with good graphics :eek. :good:
If you've already returned to stock clockspeed it's probably not the overclocking that's causing it. But just to be sure, go and check that the clock is at standard. It has happened for me that the phone has raised the clock by it self for some reason. If thats not the case just try going to the battery stats to see if any app is using a lot of battery. If not I dont know what could be wrong. Maybe it's just time for a new battery (or phone)
Overclocking is not a "good" or "bad" thing. It will use more battery while you're doing it and you can damage the hardware - it's a risk you choose to take.
It's possible something was damaged, but it wouldn't be my first guess.
I'd use something like BetterBatteryStats to find out why your battery is draining and go from there.
Honestly there's really no point your phone is engineered to a certain clock everything in your phone is engineered to run with that clock when you overclock now your straining not just the processor but your battery as well and everything(electronic component wise) is now going to run a lot hotter then it was engineered to run and you have tiny little low voltage surface mount transistors and diodes that don't like heat. So they stop the clock at where they do so they can achieve the best speed they can without harming components and without killing your battery. The more you run that phone like that the less and less your battery is going to last. Its like your poisoning it slowly. Just to archive less then microseconds of snappyness. Its not really worth it there's no point in breaking (not all devices will break but you don't know if you have one with a weak component in it somewhere or not. It might not break until you stress it out) something that intelligent entity's after pulling in matter and from this cosmos and putting it together to engineer such an amazing device. Why break it. Its very possible to do so. Some phones will run a year like that without starting to lag on you from burning out contacts inside components and creating tiny little spark gaps that takes signal and current longer to get where it needs to go so now you start to lag....that can start to happen the next day or an hour after you do it. Or even a year from now. Do you really need to be faster where you barely notice it that badly?
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Just underclock it a little. Saves battery and reduces heat.
[B][Q] My Phone is getting Heated whenever i use "Any" 4.4.2 KITKAT roms....
[Q] My Phone is getting Heated whenever i use "Any" 4.4.2 KITKAT roms.... i tried 4-5 different 4.4.2 KITKAT Roms but none of them solved heating problem... even when i dont play games on my phone... then i installed Trickster mod app and enabled "Temperature Throttle" .. it controlled heating problem in normal mode like using dialer/phonebook/settings/browser/launcher/whatsapp/facebook etc... But when i play small games like flappy birds or subways surfer etc it again starts getting heated... Any Solution ????
Playing games like that will always heat up a device, regardless of what kind of ROM you're on. The severity of the heat can vary a little from ROM to ROM but it's always there. They're CPU intensive apps, what do you expect? Funnily enough the app that I find heats up my phone the most is Chrome. There is no real solution, apart from maybe underclocking your device but then your performance might suffer.
You need to understand that computing generates heat, and games that ramp up your CPU generate a great deal of it. PC's and laptops have pretty decent fans that run to expel the heat, and even they get pretty warm. Our mobile devices have no fans so they have exactly zero ways of transferring the heat from the device to the exterior air. I don't believe mobile phones are a very good platform for gaming for this exact reason.
If you don't want your mobile device to heat up, don't use it in such a way that it will. If you want to continue to use CPU intensive apps, learn to live with the heat.
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Playing games like that will always heat up a device, regardless of what kind of ROM you're on. The severity of the heat can vary a little from ROM to ROM but it's always there. They're CPU intensive apps, what do you expect? Funnily enough the app that I find heats up my phone the most is Chrome. There is no real solution, apart from maybe underclocking your device but then your performance might suffer.
You need to understand that computing generates heat, and games that ramp up your CPU generate a great deal of it. PC's and laptops have pretty decent fans that run to expel the heat, and even they get pretty warm. Our mobile devices have no fans so they have exactly zero ways of transferring the heat from the device to the exterior air. I don't believe mobile phones are a very good platform for gaming for this exact reason.
If you don't want your mobile device to heat up, don't use it in such a way that it will. If you want to continue to use CPU intensive apps, learn to live with the heat.
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thanx for replying... yes you are right and i totally agreed with you... ok but when i played all the games on Jelly bean 4.2.2.. even heavy CPU and GPU uses required games... it was heating a little after 20-30 min... and never get heated on normal modes and on simple apps... but on 4.4.2 it is heating like 10 times more... i just want to know is there only me who experiencing heating problem...
Anyways it looks like i have to switch back on jelly bean... :crying::crying::crying:
and one more problem i am facing on 4.4.2 is... my phone automatically Restarts and get reset all my apps like factory mode... is my 2.15 firmware is ok with 4.4 Kitkat roms ??
I have no problems with over-heating on KitKat. Are you using a custom kernel? What kind of temperatures are we talking about anyway?
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I have no problems with over-heating on KitKat. Are you using a custom kernel? What kind of temperatures are we talking about anyway?
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No.. i am not using Custom kernel... in my last rom i tried touched kernel but the problem was the same....
when i use phone... phone gets over-heated from the back side... near the camera...
and one more problem i am facing on 4.4.2 is... my phone automatically Restarts and get reset all my apps like factory reset... is my 2.15 firmware is ok with 4.4 Kitkat roms ??
Ok, but what temperatures is your phone reaching? Trickster Mod has temps in the info section. The 2.15 firmware is fine for KitKat but you might have a more serious problem. I'd run an RUU if I were you to see if it helps.
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Hello everybody,
I opened this thread so anyone experiencing this problem (overheating and lagging in heavy games such as: Real Racing 3, The Amazing Spiderman 2, even Candy Crush, Asphalt 8 and so on) can discuss it here and maybe we'll get a better perspective of the problem, and maybe find a solution for that.
The Problem :
The phone would heat up, sometimes to the point I can't touch the phone, and the game FPS drops significantly (the games start to lag).
It happens for me after about 5-8 min of gameplay.
From a little google search, some users reported that the problem was caused by the constant running of the IndexService(this process is responsible for Indexing files both on the internal and external sd card) process, some users formatted the sdcard and reported that it has stopped, some users reported that the problem is still there, some users replaced the sdcard with another.
For me, I'm still trying to figure out if the sdcard is the problem by running some monitoring apps like System Panel Pro, and waiting for tomorrow to see which process/apps uses the CPU more than the others.
For anyone commenting this post, I would like you to ask to state if you are on a stock or custom rom, as well as the kernel.
Hopefully, we can identify the cause and help the Note 3 community and finally enjoy the full power of our AWESOME phone.
Happy discussion!
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From my own experience, the cpu clock and the brightness of the screen has most to do with overheating. I have the same problem on a rootex X-note v13 (and all other xnote versions before 13), the cpu temp would reach 60 degrees celsius after 5-10 ninutes of gameplay on max brightness and stock cpu clock. BUT if I were to lower brightness to minimum and lower the cpu clock to 1.7ghz (left it at 1.7ghz since then out of laziness), it would last at least 25 minutes before reaching the same temperatures. Still, I would be curious if there is any software trigger that creates this overheat, not just the cpu and brightness. I had my phone unrooted for a very short period of time so i cannot really say, but it did feel like stock unrooted did not overheat so fast. Or maybe it was just a placebo, I do not know
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raied115 said:
Hello everybody,
I opened this thread so anyone experiencing this problem (overheating and lagging in heavy games such as: Real Racing 3, The Amazing Spiderman 2, even Candy Crush, Asphalt 8 and so on) can discuss it here and maybe we'll get a better perspective of the problem, and maybe find a solution for that.
The Problem :
The phone would heat up, sometimes to the point I can't touch the phone, and the game FPS drops significantly (the games start to lag).
It happens for me after about 5-8 min of gameplay.
From a little google search, some users reported that the problem was caused by the constant running of the IndexService(this process is responsible for Indexing files both on the internal and external sd card) process, some users formatted the sdcard and reported that it has stopped, some users reported that the problem is still there, some users replaced the sdcard with another.
For me, I'm still trying to figure out if the sdcard is the problem by running some monitoring apps like System Panel Pro, and waiting for tomorrow to see which process/apps uses the CPU more than the others.
For anyone commenting this post, I would like you to ask to state if you are on a stock or custom rom, as well as the kernel.
Hopefully, we can identify the cause and help the Note 3 community and finally enjoy the full power of our AWESOME phone.
Happy discussion!
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Not sure what could cause that problem but i cant confirm that i dont have the problem, i usualy play RR3 and Clash of clans for long periods of time, 2+ hours and my phone wont heat up at all. i do have the lastest RU official firmaware do, but even with the other ones i never got that problem, i use to hate my s4 for that but i cant be happy enoght with my note 3.
posedatull said:
From my own experience, the cpu clock and the brightness of the screen has most to do with overheating. I have the same problem on a rootex X-note v13 (and all other xnote versions before 13), the cpu temp would reach 60 degrees celsius after 5-10 ninutes of gameplay on max brightness and stock cpu clock. BUT if I were to lower brightness to minimum and lower the cpu clock to 1.7ghz (left it at 1.7ghz since then out of laziness), it would last at least 25 minutes before reaching the same temperatures. Still, I would be curious if there is any software trigger that creates this overheat, not just the cpu and brightness. I had my phone unrooted for a very short period of time so i cannot really say, but it did feel like stock unrooted did not overheat so fast. Or maybe it was just a placebo, I do not know
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Not sure what could cause that problem but i cant confirm that i dont have the problem, i usualy play RR3 and Clash of clans for long periods of time, 2+ hours and my phone wont heat up at all. i do have the lastest RU official firmaware do, but even with the other ones i never got that problem, i use to hate my s4 for that but i cant be happy enoght with my note 3.
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I will be sending the device for repairment to see what the problem is, and will report back here
Maybe there is a problem with some Exynos devices ...
Will be interesting to find out what's the cause for the problem with our high-end phone.
Update: installing other ROM + Factory reset in that ROM gave the exact same effect: overheating.
Disabling DVFS completely fixed this issue for me.
Either use the DVFS diabler app or Wanam exposed to do this.
FYI I have the n9005 so this may not work for you.
I think everyone has the hot screen issue but for me it seems to happen in certain games only.
This isn't limited to 4.4.2 either, it happened in 4.3. It really seems to point to a software issue rather than hardware.
The weird thing is its the upper portion that gets hot on my phone while the battery portion is just normal.
I have temperature software on mine and for what it's worth I've never had a warning about overheating yet.
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JJbdoggg said:
Disabling DVFS completely fixed this issue for me.
Either use the DVFS diabler app or Wanam exposed to do this.
FYI I have the n9005 so this may not work for you.
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I think everyone has the hot screen issue but for me it seems to happen in certain games only.
This isn't limited to 4.4.2 either, it happened in 4.3. It really seems to point to a software issue rather than hardware.
The weird thing is its the upper portion that gets hot on my phone while the battery portion is just normal.
I have temperature software on mine and for what it's worth I've never had a warning about overheating yet.
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Disabling DVFS does not Solve the problem unfortunately...
The heating is where the cpu is...
It gets to the point I can't touch my phone...
I've tried different games and it kinda happens in every single heavy games... It is very annoying that I have such a powerful phone and I can't fully use it as I please...
Will try to send it to Samsung and see what they will do...
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I managed to solve the problem !
Opting out google's location based ads in Google settings , disabling Samsung DVFS , formatting the phone and SD Card (with data included), installing a custom Rom (Dr.ketan K7 ROM with some options from the AROMA installation) ,
All that has managed to solve the problem .
Now the phone just get warm , as I think it should be for such a thin and powerful device.
I hope that now everyone that have the problem can solve it and enjoy his awesome phone!
Have a great day guys!
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What CpuTemp is normal while phone is being used?
My temp fluctuates between 35-45 C (95 F -113F) while web browsing, using Tapatalk etc.
Is it something abnormal ?
My top 2 battery drains are Android OS & Android System.
Thanks
Mine overheats aswell especially on YouTube (56 celsius). Few times I discovered the minimum CPU frequency change to 1.5 ghz.
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If you have SD card, it might be causing heat and lag issues, so try to remove it then try phone, if yes then format it, if its not the cause then perhaps you have an app causing problem, so do full wipe from recovery mode, after that try phone for couple of days without downloading any app.
The problem was DVFS. SD has nothing to do with battery drain
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cornelito said:
What CpuTemp is normal while phone is being used?
My temp fluctuates between 35-45 C (95 F -113F) while web browsing, using Tapatalk etc.
Is it something abnormal ?
My top 2 battery drains are Android OS & Android System.
Thanks
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The temp seems about right.
My phone got up to 80C when I tried to play it once for more than 10 min and then it just did a reboot...
Within the Android OS and Android System services there are a lot of processes going on... You should try and pin point the exact process that causes Android OS and Android System to be active.
I'm here if you need anything else!
Jack Barrett said:
Mine overheats aswell especially on YouTube (56 celsius). Few times I discovered the minimum CPU frequency change to 1.5 ghz.
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darkshaft said:
If you have SD card, it might be causing heat and lag issues, so try to remove it then try phone, if yes then format it, if its not the cause then perhaps you have an app causing problem, so do full wipe from recovery mode, after that try phone for couple of days without downloading any app.
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Jack Barrett said:
The problem was DVFS. SD has nothing to do with battery drain
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That might just do the trick
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I use no name Rom for n900w8 seems to solve any heat issue I've had
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BeFore the format check this. after you will not want to Format fix Note 3 getting overheat -14 Reasons and answers
Hey guys,
Have you noticed that your Nexus 5 slows down time to time? Couple times per day my phone slows down significantly and starts almost to micro stutter. UI is not working 60fps and everything seems just little bit laggy. And again maybe hour or two later my phone feels super smooth. Is there some background processes in Android which causes this behavior or is it something in Nexus 5? If there is something that can be done, please share your tips.
questions go into q&a, not general.
and there is no right answer for you, as it can be one of a multitude of things. only you know what apps you have installed and what you use. it even can be your phone just freeing ram, if your ram is full. i can literally think of 20n things off the top of my head that can cause that. what info you gave us, pretty much none, wont get you any answers.
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Hey guys,
Have you noticed that your Nexus 5 slows down time to time? Couple times per day my phone slows down significantly and starts almost to micro stutter. UI is not working 60fps and everything seems just little bit laggy. And again maybe hour or two later my phone feels super smooth. Is there some background processes in Android which causes this behavior or is it something in Nexus 5? If there is something that can be done, please share your tips.
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State ROM, kernel, mods used.
I had the same experience if I flashed mods such as optimised dalvik/bionic and Qualcomm latest GPU drivers.
Also had this when I used Xposed framework. Certain modules would just go haywire after a certain amount of hours.
Another thing is that certain ROMs, degrade system performance as the number of features rises up. So it might be your ROM.
Well this happens on every rom (even stock), with and without any mods or custom kernels, and that is precisely why I am asking. I am well aware that custom roms, kernels and mods can cause this kind of behavior, but this thing happens in all configurations. It happens whether I have installed 2 or 75 apps. Move thread if necessary.
PeK_m said:
Hey guys,
Have you noticed that your Nexus 5 slows down time to time? Couple times per day my phone slows down significantly and starts almost to micro stutter. UI is not working 60fps and everything seems just little bit laggy. And again maybe hour or two later my phone feels super smooth. Is there some background processes in Android which causes this behavior or is it something in Nexus 5? If there is something that can be done, please share your tips.
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Is your storage almost full? NAND tends to slow down considerably as it fills up just like with SSDs.
Most likely though it's a service you have running.
Hi, 3 day ago I recieved my Mi4c (3gb) and just after couple of minutes surfing on the net I realized, that the top of the phone is really hot (the bottom was normal). The next day I tried it with game - after just one or two rounds (about 2 minutes) phone got hot again - again at the same area. I downloaded some app and I looked at the temperature after running the game - it showed even 55 degrees Celsia. Is it faulty piece or is it just software issue, which can be fixed by different ROM ?
Under load, the SD808 can get pretty warm.
Add to that the fact that MIUI (in all of its various forms) is a steaming, overheated pile of rhinoceros feces and you have a terrible combination just asking for heating problems.
TS CM13 does a pretty good job of mitigating the software issues that lead to heating.
The phone will always get warm when playing moderately intensive games or when used in direct sunlight on warm (30c+) days.
I found that the miui versions some vendros provide are manipulated or corrupted by vendors,
I suggest you check if your bootloader is unlocked, install a recovery, do a total format (not a factory reset, a full system format from recovery) and install the latest miui,
I had overheating issues and the phone would eat the battery away in less then 12 hours, i did this and im currently going on 39h standby and around 1 - 1.5 hours screen time and i still have 34% of the battery life.
Clean house, start from zero and you might be surprised.
Just installed MIUI 7.1.6.0 Global stable from xiaomi.eu and I like it more tham MIUI 8 already. Plus, phone seems to be a little cooler. Snapdragon 808 is still a hot chip though, so don't expect miracles.
Switched from MIUI 8 because of heat and battery life issues.
I tested different rooms and every room has overheating. The only difference is the time the systems downclock the CPU.
In cm13 I changed the values so it doesn't close the big cores so fast.
But the big cores are still the most time off.
Normally my Temps are between 40 and 60 °C
And that's bad.
Miui doesn't change anything.. Only the time of throttling.
I don't need a phone that throttles itself when turned on.
When I'm home I'll try to open the back cover and take a look.
Maybe I can hard mod it in some way.
I'm facing the same problems here.
I use dual Sim, so I thought this could be the signal usage. But my battery is draining faster and faster. Some times even dropping from 14% to 10% in 1 sec!
When using wifi, the cpu reaches over 50ºC (currently 57-59ºC). MIUI 8 didn't help much.
I'm using my phone a lot, 3G and screen on for long time, but it's dropping from 100 to 15% in less than 7 hours...
Is there anything that I could do?
Install MIUI 7.1.6.0, temps and battery are better, or go Apollo the way and flash CM13 or Slim
I have over-heating problem too. Specially by keeping screen on for several minutes. I'm on miui 8 by xiaomi.edu
The overheating is caused by a ****ty rom some vendors use,
Install the latest recovery, and do a full advance wipe (everything except OTG USB), then do the format,
DO NOT REBOOT the phone, connect it to the PC and copy over the latest miui weekly (i used 6.9.1) and flash it, then see if it keeps overheating.
Apparently some of the malware some vendors install are hard to get rid of, i had weekly, monthly, slim6, Teamsuperluminal and Omni rom installed, and they all showed the same issue. it wasnt until i did this "sanitation" process i managed to get rid of the heat issue.
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When I'm home I'll try to open the back cover and take a look.
Maybe I can hard mod it in some way.
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You found some way to hard mod it ? =) The snapdragon 808 would be very powerful if there aren´t that overheats.
Making some holes in the back cover (get out hot air) or give more space (case is extremly tightly built) ? A heat pipe (passive cooling)?
Things are a lot better using an undervolted kernel. Built one from kuma sources (not for MIUI), I could share if you want.
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You found some way to hard mod it ? =) The snapdragon 808 would be very powerful if there aren´t that overheats.
Making some holes in the back cover (get out hot air) or give more space (case is extremly tightly built) ? A heat pipe (passive cooling)?
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nice idea with passive cooling
i glued my nhd 14 to the back that helped
no serious i dont have any clue to make the phone cooler with hardware modifications.
without the backcover it isnt cooler. the difference isnt noticable.
i would say how the cpu is build into the phone is wrong.
for me the phone isnt worth it anymore. im moving to a BQ or the HTC10.
why should i use a phone that i have to downclock to a fraction of its performance ?
or i use normally and get throttled after 20 minutes?
and it doesnt matter which os i use any miui or cm version suffers from overheating.
so i think ether xiaomi make mistakes while building the phone or it is just the bad 800 series.
but looking at the lg g4 the picture is the same. so qualcomm is to blame for it.
sorry for this but the only solution is to use a fan on the back OR the better solution buy a better phone ;(
edit:still finding grammar fails
For anyone willing to try this is an undervolted kernel based on kuma's sources and a modified msm8992-regulator.dtsi with lower ceil voltages.
Tested only on CM13 but should work for other ROMs based on CM13. It can make your phone unstable (freezes, crashes), so before you try either keep a backup of your current kernel or simply boot (don't flash!) the kernel to ensure that everything works normally:
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fastboot boot undervoltedk.img
@Ydraulikos
im already using a kernel from kuma (Resurrection Rom) and yeah its very great, less overheating. The Rom itself is slim for less heating too.
But its overheating though while playing 3d games for a longer time.
@kar5ten
..nhd 14.. that would look funny xD.
Yeah the problem is the cpu. Snapdragon 808 and 810 suffering from overheating, 810 more.
But xiaomi could handle this too. Not use this cpu or built better cooling system, instead make it as thin. The most temperatures i have is on the top right. If they used passive cooling like pipe heats for distribute the heat, we don´t have this problem or rather less overheating.
@Ydraulikos thanks i will try this.
@Danny94
i made another test.
i use resurrection rom 5.7.1 with oc kernel 1.12 (intelliactive gov.) custom temp. throttle at 75 C
i opened the back and added aluminium foil .
10 layers on the upper side where the cpu sits and 6 layers above the battery and the cpu. they both are connected.
now i run antutu 3-4 times and i got these results
75899-74012-70371-68155
with max temp of 53 C after those 4 runs.
the idle temps are now at 30 -35 C most time
but i only tested it for 2 hours
@kar5ten
oh nice that sounds like a good idee! And withouth foil wich results you get, antutu - temps ?
The Alumiunium foil could take the heat from the cpu and distribute it over the device, for better result thermal paste as connection between cpu and foil could help.
Maybe with another material (foil) you could improve it as well. The best result you would get maybe if the backcover consists of metal, this way you could get the heat out of the phone, air cools metal. (problems.: back cover can get hot, you can heat back cover with hands[maybe a case])
Care about that foil doesn´t heat up the battery and the metal can disturb radio signals (gps wifi mobile data).
Could you share a picture as well of your modified version here in the forum, maybe one too please how it looks inside. At the moment i don´t have a plan how to open the back cover. =)
I will post some pictures but next weekend. Before I open it again I want to test it.
I don't know the exact results from antutu before I modded it.
First 75k
2nd 60k
3rd 55 k
At the moment I didn't noticed any signal drop or something.
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I will post some pictures but next weekend. Before I open it again I want to test it.
I don't know the exact results from antutu before I modded it.
First 75k
2nd 60k
3rd 55 k
At the moment I didn't noticed any signal drop or something.
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Hi,
Did you have the opportunity to take some pictures of your mi4c modding?
would be also great to have a slight bigger case it probably help with the overheating.
best regards,
John
@patadas I get a new case this weekend. Then I will take some photos.
But the problem is to open the phone
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@patadas I get a new case this weekend. Then I will take some photos.
But the problem is to open the phone
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To open the case i have found a video, see the video and tell me if the video does help in anything?
by the way : Xiaomi Mi4c Teardown
http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/xiaomi-mi4c-teardown/