Will any chargers that supply higher volt / amp combinations charge faster than standard or does it need to support dash or warp charge? I don't necessarily need the warp charge but faster than my current op2 would be great.
Anyone? Does higher amperage equal faster charging or does it have to be warp charge compatible?
There's communication somewhere along the path that allows dash/warp charge to happen. A charger can supply a high enough amperage, but your phone may not be able to utilize it without communication from the charger/cable. I'm not exactly sure how/what the process is, but I know it's not as simple as using a high amperage charger.
jakegsxr11 said:
Anyone? Does higher amperage equal faster charging or does it have to be warp charge compatible?
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Any USB-C power delivery charger will do a rapid charge, just not Warp.
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So the One X comes with a 1.0 Amp charger. The charger would not fit(too long) in the spot where I have been using my Samsung charger.
I compared the two and saw the only difference is the .7 A to 1.0 A. looked up if it was ok to use. Some even reported longer battery life with the slower charger. Makes some sense just lasts longer.
Maybe I am crazy but it seems like I get better battery life from the .7 charger.
I have went back and forth a few times....But of course not enough days to really tell.
thoughts?
Definitely overthinking it. It will just charge slower.
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Definitely overthinking it. It will just charge slower.
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Yep, what he said.
To think of it another way, you can charge your phone via a USB connection to your computer, but it's much slower. This is because USB only provides 0.5 (or maybe it's 0.2?) Amps.
However, going with an adapter that's HIGHER than 1.0A could cause damage.
In the long run, slower charges will likely make your battery last more cycles. But on a per-cycle basis, it should not give better battery life.
If you run your battery down, the smaller charger (and definitely the case for PC USB because they max out at 500ma) may not be able to charge at all. In normal cases, it is fine.
Higher than 1a won't damage anything. .7 might not actually charge the battery 100% depending on if the phone thinks it is usb(500ma charging mode) or ac charger(wont charge properly).
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Higher than 1a won't damage anything. .7 might not actually charge the battery 100% depending on if the phone thinks it is usb(500ma charging mode) or ac charger(wont charge properly).
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This. The voltage is what really matters. The phone won't draw more than it can to charge. If it draws 1A while charging and you put it on a 2A charger, it will pull 1A. But if the voltages don't match up and there isn't a protection circuit for that type of problem, you could fry the electronics with a higher amperage.
100% on the voltage! That is the important one. .7a shouldnt be recognized as a real ac charger resulting in the phone thinking it is USB 500ma charging mode which is the same as pc, slow. If the device thinks the .7a charger is ac charging mode, the battery probably will never charge to 100%. In fact if you were at 100%, and the phone was in ac charging mode with a .7a charger, it would drain your battery! More than 1a, the phone will only draw what it is capable of. Some aftermarket chargers will still charge in USB 500ma mode because the phone won't recognize them as ac charging 1a mode. I had an old HTC charger once that did funny things to my inspire, it would open navigation every time it was plugged in(thought it was a car dock I guess). Use real OEM chargers if possible. They will charge the fastest, and you won't have issues. The real HTC chargers at 1a are much faster than the aftermarket chargers I have tried. I have a good Kensington 1a car and wall charger, and the HTC blows them away as far as speed!
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100% on the voltage! That is the important one. .7a shouldnt be recognized as a real ac charger resulting in the phone thinking it is USB 500ma charging mode which is the same as pc, slow. If the device thinks the .7a charger is ac charging mode, the battery probably will never charge to 100%.
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Actually, AC charging mode or PC USB mode is not determined by amprage or volts (all use 5v). It is determined by how the data pins are terminated. Most non-Apple chargers terminate data pins the same way so they will be recognized as AC charger. Apple chargers are the ones that may not be recognized by the phone as AC chargers because Apple terminates data PINs different than everyone else. Regardless of the charging mode, they all can charge to 100% if they can initiate the charge.
LiIon battery charging circuitary is much more complicated than your normal AA chargers. It is regulated internally so that slightly variations of input voltage won't affect the charging. It has to internally control the charge process precisely so that it can terminate the process at the exact moment (overcharging results in explusion).
Input power supply being 0.7A or 1A has no bearing on the level to which the battery is filled. Even input voltage has no bearing! The only impact to the system will be the rate at which you can charge.
Not true. Some chargers make the device think it is a real ac charger, but do not provide enough to charge to 100%. And yes it has to do with pinout. Some ac chargers aren't recognized properly and results in USB charge mode even if they have more than 500ma available. Even if your pc provides more than the USB standard of 500ma, it will only draw 500ma and charge slowly.
Don't mess with the voltage, it WILL damage your device! The previous post should be ignored, and deleted.
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I use my touchpad charger and its 5.3v instead of 5v and its definitely charging my phone faster than the HTC stock charger. No affect on battery life though.
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5.3v or 5v is ok because there is a little leeway, and I'm sure the 5.3 isn't exactly 5.3 anyway. If it was, the extra .3v is probably within range, and is not blowing things up, just stressing them a little more, making some heat, and wearing them out slightly quicker.
Try a 12v charger, see what happens. LOL.
Seriously the 5.3v might actually be closer to 5v than a charger labeled 5v and therefore could result in better charging. Remember, input voltage varies as well. Your electricity could go under 100v or as high as 120v. Our electric grid is not very consistent. Supply is constantly being adjusted to meet demand, resulting in widely varying voltages. I have seen it dip into the low 90v range on hot summer afternoons, and rarely in the 115v-120v range where it should be. The 5.0 volt charger would result in the best performance if it was actually putting out a TRUE 5v. A high quality charger, with high quality, consistent, 115v input power that is properly rated is ideal. In reality it doesn't exist.
5.3v close enough, might actually be better. One way to tell, put the voltmeter on it!
If you have access to volt/multimeter, could you post your ac voltage at the outlet and the dc voltage coming out of the 5.3v charger. Could be interesting. How many amps is the charger also? Might have to get one.
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Dont have that but this is the link to it
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0055QYJJM
I'll provide the exact specs when I get home.
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Can you clarify what you mean by this?
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Not true. Some chargers make the device think it is a real ac charger, but do not provide enough to charge to 100%.
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Either an input power provides power or it doesn't. The only reason it would "stop" is if the charger in the phone runs out of headroom and I have yet to see this with any AC/DC or USB supply.
The whole issue of whether or not the phone identifies the power supply is an entirely separate discussion. But once it does identify and begin charging it will do so until completion.
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The 5.0 volt charger would result in the best performance if it was actually putting out a TRUE 5v.
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This is not true. Take two AC/DC adapters...
A) [email protected] = 4.24W
B) [email protected] =4.00W
The HTC One X has an internal switching charger with dynamic input power limiting. So it will actually be able to draw MORE current from Adapter A than Adapter B. Also, because the charger in the One X is a switching charger there will be negligible extra heat generated and no excessive wear and tear.
how did you know?
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Can you clarify what you mean by this?
Either an input power provides power or it doesn't. The only reason it would "stop" is if the charger in the phone runs out of headroom and I have yet to see this with any AC/DC or USB supply.
The whole issue of whether or not the phone identifies the power supply is an entirely separate discussion. But once it does identify and begin charging it will do so until completion.
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This is not true. Take two AC/DC adapters...
A) [email protected] = 4.24W
B) [email protected] =4.00W
The HTC One X has an internal switching charger with dynamic input power limiting. So it will actually be able to draw MORE current from Adapter A than Adapter B. Also, because the charger in the One X is a switching charger there will be negligible extra heat generated and no excessive wear and tear.
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Htc has input power limiting? Internal switching charger? Where did you get this information?
The plugpack will be voltage regulated(to protect from overvoltage with under designed load) not ampage regulated.
The battery charges via voltage float, the higher the voltage the quicker the charge, but the voltage is regulated anyways so there is no fast and slow charge. It is charging or it's not. The charge circuit steps up and down the voltage to give fast/slow charge not the plugpack in mobile phones.
1.0a versus 0.7a just means the rated output is lower. It does not change the load. All that happens is the 0.7a will be running over its rated output which results in running hotter and potential running undervoltage.
Running 0.7a is not good if the battery charge circuit will draw 1.0a by design. Your plugpack just becomes a firerisk.
You should always match the designed specifications, eg 12v 1.0a.
The device expects a 12v(or close) input and should be able to draw 1.0a without issue.
If you over or under volt the charge circuit it could blow up, if you over draw the supply it might melt.
is it ok to charge 0.7A battery with 1.0A charger
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is it ok to charge 0.7A battery with 1.0A charger
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Did you not read the thread?
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I was wondering if this car charger was safe to use on my Blaze (a Scosche 2 USB port charger). The info on it says:
input: 12-24vdc, 1.5a
output: 5v, 2a RoHS
(made in chine etc).
I have heard conflicting opinions about the use of third party devices for charging. Most notably, the T-mobile chat reps say they
"do not recommend" using them, but the ones on their very own website are mostly third party ones (at least they appear to be to me).
I have also heard that as long is the plug fits on the phone correctly it is safe.
Could someone clear this up for me? Will the scosch work and be safe? Or, could you recommend one that is safe to use on my blaze?
Thank you so much!
That will work perfectly fine. 5v and any amperage will be acceptable. The stock charger is good for 1A, so charging on a lower amperage charger will only increase the charging time.
I believe the Blaze will only pull around 1A max when charging, although a kernel tweak should be able to unlock fast charging in the future, if it already hasn't.
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That will work perfectly fine. 5v and any amperage will be acceptable. The stock charger is good for 1A, so charging on a lower amperage charger will only increase the charging time.
I believe the Blaze will only pull around 1A max when charging, although a kernel tweak should be able to unlock fast charging in the future, if it already hasn't.
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Thank you for your reply. Yes, it was the 2A output that concerned me after doing some reading. Can anyone confirm what the max amperage the Blaze will allow? I just want to be sure that 2A will not be a problem.
NOTE: It charged my old Iphone 3GS fine.
The charger does not "push" 2A to the phone, the phone draws as many amps from the charger as it can provide. The 2A rating just means that it will be able to quickly charge a device that needs that amount of power, like an iPad. Most phones will draw between 500ma (.5A) and 1A.
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Thank you for your reply. Yes, it was the 2A output that concerned me after doing some reading. Can anyone confirm what the max amperage the Blaze will allow? I just want to be sure that 2A will not be a problem.
NOTE: It charged my old Iphone 3GS fine.
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its kinda like bandwidth... the charger doesnt push 2A, the charger's bottleneck is 2A. If the phone charges at 1A, only 1A will be going through the charger regardless of the charger's 2A limitation.
At least that's how i think it is... its been a long time since my Electrical Engineering portion of Intro to Industrial Maintenance in highschool....
Hello everyone,
So I have been trying to find the answer to what I am wondering but to no avail. I know that when using a charger that did not come with the phone it needs to have to same voltage to not hurt the battery, but I am unsure of the amps. I know for normal powering of things the charger needs to supply the same amount of amps or higher so that the item can pull enough power from the charger. However, phones do not need a certain amps to be powered by the charger. So I want to know if I can use any changer that has 5 volts, but varying amps. This is because I read that if you use a charger with lower amps it is better for the battery as it is not charging as fast increasing the life span of the battery, is this true?
Example: I have a LG G2 which uses a charger with 5V and 1.8A , but I want to use my nexus wireless charger that is 5V and 1.2A
Thanks for any assistance!
i recently bought the P900 (wifi version).
full charge will take around 5 hours, which in practice translates to 4 hours (i never get to 0% and charging from 90%\95% and on will be slowed down by the device anyway).
is there any way to speed up the charging?
like buying a 5.3V 3A charger. will the OEM cable be able to transfer the additional current?
could the device even take advantage from a 3A charger?
if so, can you recommend on any?
its important to me because i always use 100% brightness.
No. In the past mobile devices (mostly phones) shipped with cheap 500ma chargers and bumping up to higher amperage chargers would have an affect on charge time. Those days are gone as charging efficiency of chargers and cost to produce have lead to included chargers being optimized for charging times. Charging circuitry in the devices is going to take what it's rated to take and no more, so once a charger is plugged into it that's rated the same as the device is designed to take there's little else that can be done to speed up charging.
Bottom line - the charger that came with the tablet if it's the official one (i.e. if you bought new, not used and someone included the wrong one) is optimized to charge the tablet at the fastest rate. Based upon the numbers you noted your charge times are not excessive, the tablet is designed to take around 2A and it won't take 3A even if the charger is rated for it.
If you want faster charging you need to sell your tablet and get a Snapdragon variant instead (LTE tablets from various carriers) or start practicing better battery management to reduce how depleted your tablet gets. For me that means not running at highest brightness unless I really need it and topping off the battery whenever I can. When I get really low and I have a reasonably long period that I can charge I'll sometimes shut the tablet completely down rather than put it to sleep so that charging is accomplished with near zero load on the battery.
oh, bummer.
well, i guess i would have to learn how to live with that.
TY for your reply.
im planning on buying a 2 port charger so i wont have to carry so many stuff with me,
how much slower the device will charge with a 5.0V charger?
should i look for a 2 port 5.3v charger? a normal device wont have troubles with that?
It's not the voltage it's the amps. If you want to charge two devices simultaneously as quickly as possible the power supply needs to be rated to output the wattage necessary to provide the amperage the devices will draw for maximum charge rate.
My recommendation is to find something capable of over 20 watts (2A x 5V = 20watts). I'd buy this for future Qualcomm quick charge use.
https://www.anker.com/products/A2031111
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my question was how much slower the note pro will charge with a 5.0v 2A charger as opposed to the OEM one which is 5.3v 2A.
and if there is any problem to use a 5.3v charger with a normal smartphone.
charging the note pro is more important to me than my other devices.
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my question was how much slower the note pro will charge with a 5.0v 2A charger as opposed to the OEM one which is 5.3v 2A.
and if there is any problem to use a 5.3v charger with a normal smartphone.
charging the note pro is more important to me than my other devices.
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Yes but you also noted that you want to buy a 2 port version and I'm saying that the voltage is only part of the equation. Unless you are already aware that you need one rated at 2A simultaneously (you didn't specify). I honestly never measured between the two, I do not worry about 5V vs 5.3V since the charging voltage of the lithium ion cells is under 5V anyway. AFAIK the current is more critical. Maybe someone else more knowledgeable in electrical engineering can chime in since I'm unsure how the charging circuit within the phone will step down the voltage from the charger to the battery. All I know is if one tops off regularly or charges overnight there's no night and day difference between the stock 5.3V charger and a 5V one so long as the aftermarket one is rated 2A or more.
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The 7 Pro is supposed to support 5v/3A, 15W charging from a Power Delivery charger, but I'm only seeing 4.5v/1.8A, which is about 8W slow charging.
Am I reading this wrong? What's the best/highest/fastest charging you've seen from a PD charger?
Charger used: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H9WMW6N/ USB C PD Charger with GaN Tech, RAVPower Wall Charger Adapter 45W Type-C Power Delivery
Cable used: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06Y25Y6WX/ Anker Powerline+
Your battery is above 50% and charging speed slows with increasing battery percentage. To determine maximum speed of USB PD for the OP7Pro you need to check at a lower charge level. Warp charge will also not charge with 30W all the way.
What battery app is that?
Even with the OP charger once you get to 50-70% changing rate slows down by at least 50%, try when the phone is at 10% and then watch it for a couple minutes, that will tell you the max for that particular charger
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Protomize said:
What battery app is that?
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It's the built in diagnostics. Dial *#808# in the OP Phone app.
Swipe to the second screen, "Device debugging", and there's one test for Normal Charger, and one for Fast Charger.
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Your battery is above 50% and charging speed slows with increasing battery percentage. To determine maximum speed of USB PD for the OP7Pro you need to check at a lower charge level. Warp charge will also not charge with 30W all the way.
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Even with the OP charger once you get to 50-70% changing rate slows down by at least 50%, try when the phone is at 10% and then watch it for a couple minutes, that will tell you the max for that particular charger
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That's a great point, thanks! I'll try again from a lower charge state!
OnePlus has said it supports 15w PD while screen is off and 5v 1.5a while display is on.
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OnePlus has said it supports 15w PD while screen is off and 5v 1.5a while display is on.
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Link?
338lm said:
That's a great point, thanks! I'll try again from a lower charge state!
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Basically no change when the battery was much lower :crying:
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OnePlus has said it supports 15w PD while screen is off and 5v 1.5a while display is on.
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Relatively no change between screen on vs off
338lm said:
Link?
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Question: Do the OnePlus 7 and 7 Pro supportpower
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Basically no change when the battery was much lower :crying:
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I'm seeing the same thing. I tried three different USB PD chargers that I used on my Pixel XL. The highest charge current I saw was 1980mA. The battery was in the low to mid 30% range. I used the Ampere app. To check the accuracy of the app, I tried two things. 1. I used the stock Oneplus Warp charger and Ampere showed 5740mA (wow, 5.7A is kicking some butt!). 2. While using my Belkin USB-PD car charger, I noted the voltage and current coming from my bench power supply. The bench supply was outputting about 10W so an Ampere reading of about 8W of energy into the phone made sense. I used three different cables too.
All my cables are USB-C to USB-C since all my PD chargers have a USB-C port on them. I see the standard for USB 3.1 has a max rating of [email protected] which can be done over a USB-A to USB-C cable. I wonder if the only way to get 15W into the phone (besides the Oneplus chargers) is to use a USB-A to USB-C cable with a charger that has a USB-A port and can support 3A? Edit: No, more research shows there there should be no problems with C-C. The Belkin PD car charger I have doesn't specifically say it supports [email protected], but the Anker AC USB charger does list [email protected] I can't get more than about 1900mA out of it even with the battery low.
I basically support all the users that OP failed this point to include proper USB PD function. Only 7.5w to 10w is supported without any dash or warp charger. Confirmed
should be fixed with 10.0.2
Power Delivery (PD) is very complex. For example the USB PD Revision 3 specification is 657 pages. Much of the complexity involves the negotiation protocols between chargers and phones or other devices. In cases where a compatible protocol can't be negotiated between a charger and phone the page 242 of the spec says: "Shall supply the default [USB 2.0], [USB 3.2], [USB Type-C 2.0] (USB Type-C®) or [USBBC 1.2] voltage and current to VBUS when a Contract does not exist (USB Default Operation)." That's my guess why people are seeing lower charging currents than advertised by the chargers.
The OP's charger has this interesting cryptic note on their Amazon page: "Rapid charge: USB-C charger delivers 45-watts of power to charge and recharge all of your important devices at a high speed with PD 3. 0 (5V/ 3a, 9V/ 3a, 12V/ 3a, 15V/ 3a, 20V/ 2. 25a) Note: USB adapter will not be able to trigger the PD protocol
Specifications are at https://www.usb.org/document-library/usb-power-delivery