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having the chance to play around with both my wife S6 and My S7 .. so for those who are questioning the new s7 sensor quality and how it stacks againest the old trusty s6 , here is what you ask for..,
Pro Mode , fixed parameters on both, sensor upgrade show off .,
both phones upto latest firmware , both are stock, no root, no edit.., straight from the phones.
sure the 16:9 is for the S6e , 4:3 for the S7e
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I can see that although s7 sensor does pull ahead than s6's in almost all except one aspect !
Preferred the noise control of s6 which in my opinion is better than s7
S7 does mostly better though they both perform quite bad in higher ISO despite a slow shutter speed. Noticably the S7 performs really bad with ISO 1250 and 1/4 shutter speed. In lit areas it does better but in low contrast areas it resorts to using to much 'high ISO faking' by tweaking curves creating ugly color and chroma banding. G4 does better at similar ISO/shutter speed. So does the Xperia Z1+ series to name some. They need to be more relaxed with the post-processing. Thanks for comparision.
First thing i noticed upon setup.I tried messing with all display settings.Note 10 is supposedly one of the brightest display's on the market even more so than a xs max or a s10+.Do i have a defective unit? anyone else feel like their max brightness is low?
jass65 said:
First thing i noticed upon setup.I tried messing with all display settings.Note 10 is supposedly one of the brightest display's on the market even more so than a xs max or a s10+.Do i have a defective unit? anyone else feel like their max brightness is low?
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Agree.,,my OP7pro is brighter than my note10plus. This along with the issues of signal, is a deal breaker for me.
My note 9 was as well I tried all sorts to see why but I managed to sort it out by switching on performance mode and setting blue light filter on and to the lowest setting
Now the note 10 plus is brighter then my note 9 but in video the note 10 is not as vivid and bright I think it's due to the note 10 been more color accurate and them eliminating a lot of the blue light
But I think it does get bright just more in direct sunlight
Ok so i tested the v40, s9+ and note 10 all on the same youtube hdr video. s9+ and note10 on vivid, note 10 is definitely the brightest of the three.so the display is not faulty, its capable but you cannot go the high brightness manually. probably because of potential oled burn in warranty problems , samsung has capped the brightness under normal conditions. Also i noticed, if turn the screen temp to cool it looks a bit brighter. I read somewhere Samsung reduced blue light from their display starting with the s10. Might be why display appears to be dimmer. Wish it wasn't capped at the very least. you pay 1k for a flagship phone and samsung does this smh.
I am using 60Hz refresh rate as well as FHD+
I do not watch high resolution movies on my phone (I prefer an 80" TV for that) but I have tried running the phone at 90HZ and QHD+ and I just do not see, or feel any difference! My scrolling through apps, and pictures, and web pages move just as fast on 60Hz as they do on 90Hz. The screen resolution also does not appear to change at all between FHD and QHD. Don't get me wrong, my phone is on 10 and running like a champ! I do not know if my battery would run out sooner on the higher rates but I just think that this thing is so fast as it is with all the top line hardware that running it at the higher rates would just use more battery with very limited, to no real benefit.
Am I the only one who feels this way?
As someone who uses a 144Hz gaming display and 90Hz OP7Pro daily 60Hz is painfully choppy...
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I am using 60Hz refresh rate as well as FHD+
I do not watch high resolution movies on my phone (I prefer an 80" TV for that) but I have tried running the phone at 90HZ and QHD+ and I just do not see, or feel any difference! My scrolling through apps, and pictures, and web pages move just as fast on 60Hz as they do on 90Hz. The screen resolution also does not appear to change at all between FHD and QHD. Don't get me wrong, my phone is on 10 and running like a champ! I do not know if my battery would run out sooner on the higher rates but I just think that this thing is so fast as it is with all the top line hardware that running it at the higher rates would just use more battery with very limited, to no real benefit.
Am I the only one who feels this way?
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I would like to know why you bought a 1440p 90hz panel if you wish to use 1080p 60? 1440p is obviously more sharper and cleaner image and higher refreshrate = smoother experience I hate to see these comments "I don't see the difference" I always feel like the user is blind to me the difference is so obvious. But as the comment bellow I also game on a 144hz panel so anything less is choppy to me too. So I guess if you never used a high refresh panel it might be not noticeable to you.
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I would like to know why you bought a 1440p 90hz panel if you wish to use 1080p 60? 1440p is obviously more sharper and cleaner image and higher refreshrate = smoother experience I hate to see these comments "I don't see the difference" I always feel like the user is blind to me the difference is so obvious. But as the comment bellow I also game on a 144hz panel so anything less is choppy to me too. So I guess if you never used a high refresh panel it might be not noticeable to you.
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I do not play games on a phone. I have more important things to do with a $700.00 tool. I see just fine. I do not buy a phone based on screen refresh rate or resolution. 1080p on a 6 inch screen is better than many 55 inch TV's. I buy my phones based on price, battery size, and a few other features. So my perception is not wrong. I have tried multiple combinations of the various settings and there is LITTLE to NO appreciable difference! Maybe it makes a difference for games, but come on, games? Oh well, to each his own!
Liam definitely has a point. Although I never use 1080 I can understand how 1440 might not be a big enough difference that the extra battery is worth it. However the 90hz is much smoother during everyday use than 60hz. I use forced 90 and it hurts scrolling in any other phone. Don't know how much it affects games
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I do not play games on a phone. I have more important things to do with a $700.00 tool. I see just fine. I do not buy a phone based on screen refresh rate or resolution. 1080p on a 6 inch screen is better than many 55 inch TV's. I buy my phones based on price, battery size, and a few other features. So my perception is not wrong. I have tried multiple combinations of the various settings and there is LITTLE to NO appreciable difference! Maybe it makes a difference for games, but come on, games? Oh well, to each his own!
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I'm pretty sure he was talking about gaming on a 144hz monitor, not on his phone.
So theoretically going from 144hz to 60hz would be a HUGE difference and would definitely be noticeable.
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I do not play games on a phone. I have more important things to do with a $700.00 tool. I see just fine. I do not buy a phone based on screen refresh rate or resolution. 1080p on a 6 inch screen is better than many 55 inch TV's. I buy my phones based on price, battery size, and a few other features. So my perception is not wrong. I have tried multiple combinations of the various settings and there is LITTLE to NO appreciable difference! Maybe it makes a difference for games, but come on, games? Oh well, to each his own!
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90Hz is not only good for gaming. There's was a time when Google Chrome stopped supporting 90Hz (I think it was a month ago). At the very first second I was using Chrome with 60Hz without knowing I just thought "wtf why is it so laggy". So yeah, the difference between 60Hz and 90Hz is very big. Glad chrome supports 90Hz again.
90Hz ftw!
I guess it all boils down to not only "what" you do on your phone, but also "how" you choose to do it...as in which app(s) you choose to get things done. I keep changing settings and even rebooting between changes just to make sure they really take. And I do not see any appreciable difference! Not trying to make trouble, not disparaging this phone at all because I am enjoying it very much! But for me, the way I use it, and the apps that are important to me..the faster refresh rate as well as the higher resolution are anecdotal at best. The whole purpose of this thread for me was to make sure that my phone was truly working properly when using the higher settings. Evidently it is??? YMMV
This is an age-old battle and it's pointless as this is very subjective and changes over time.
Understand that it is normal for a person not to percieve huge difference between 60 and 90Hz if you are used to 60 and going to 90 short term. Your brain needs time to adjust and "speed up" your perception and it takes weeks or months. After that period of getting used to the fluidity of higher refresh display, going back to 60 should seem like a slideshow. Someone used to 60Hz will not see a huge difference, someone coming from 144Hz will immediatelly feel the screen lag at 60. Another thing is dark mode, dark mode indirectly raises your pixel response times, making movement more blurry and the 90Hz less prominent.
As for resolution on this phone, you can clearly see the small text in browsers is more blurry and causes more eye fatigue.
At the end of the day if you value the battery more than screen clarity, it's better to keep both low before you spoil yourself and there's no going back
we all know that on Android 9, not all the apps runs at 90Hz inclued Chrome, the reason is the battery consumption of course
idk if this still true on Android 10, but Chrome is runing at 90Hz on Android 10
so i guess, 1+ unlock the 90Hz to more apps, still mix it with the 60Hz to optimize the battery, so that is why we kind of dont see any differences
the only method to compare is download the Auto90 app from appstore, force the phone to runs at 90Hz all the time then you'll see there is differences or not
I dont mind about resolution since FHD+ is more than Reasonable with color tuning , but the frame rate is one of the main pros of one plus new line up .
So i force all them 90hz on all apps . Leaving iphone users insecurely baffled
I'm usually on a 240hz monitor. The 90hz screen is very nice feeling and whenever I look at my 6t I want to throw up.
^^LOL, good one's
should I max out the resolution or go for the 120 hz refresh rate?
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should I max out the resolution or go for the 120 hz refresh rate?
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I choose the third option...96Hz refresh rate[emoji16]
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I choose the third option...96Hz refresh rate[emoji16]
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I choose max resolution as i can see the difference, i dont see any difference between 60, 96 and 120 Hz unless i go to a test site. I also dont like constant screen flickering that occurs with the adaptive mode so for me i like the consistent 60 Hz at Max resolution. I have no games that use 120 Hz if i did then i would change to 120 Hz before starting the game.
120Hz no question for me, I couldn't even see the difference between FHD+ and QHD+ on my S20U, haven't bothered even trying it on my N20U
120Hz all the way. I can not see the difference in resolution anyway. Plus I have a 1440P monitor if I "need" things bigger.
Max resolution has way less screen artifacts.
Also doesn't have the green tint and color banding, or resolution lines the 120hz produces.
I have mine at 96hz and a bixby routine setup to change the res and refresh rate to Qhd/standard for certain apps. Mainly, streaming services. Once I close out, it changes back to 1080/adaptive.
We all see / perceive differently.
My preference is 120hz adaptive refresh rate.
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Max resolution has way less screen artifacts.
Also doesn't have the green tint and color banding, or resolution lines the 120hz produces.
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I have never seen any of the reference issues on mine.
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I have never seen any of the reference issues on mine.
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Go in a dark room, even though I can distinguish them in normal lighting.
Here's an easy way to see them,
Download google messages if you don't already use it, use dark mode. Create a message thread, keep it blank for best results, hit the search and then drop the keyboard down. That background is perfect to showcase the green tint, color banding and uneven tone at the same time.
On my note 10+ and note 9 it's a perfect even grey.
I've tried that background with every note 20u on display in best buy with same distortions showing up.
The samsung reps even noticed it after asking me what I was doing lol.
My best friend is a regional manager for tmobile and he's noticed all the handsets he's looked at have it too.
I really do believe every n20u has this issue, if not every north america n20u has it.
If you don't notice it, try another phone and compare them side to side, it's should be obvious then.
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Go in a dark room, even though I can distinguish them in normal lighting.
Here's an easy way to see them,
Download google messages if you don't already use it, use dark mode. Create a message thread or go to any message thread, hit the search and then drop the keyboard down. That background is perfect to showcase the green tint, color banding and uneven tone at the same time.
On my note 10+ and note 9 it's a perfect even grey.
I've tried that background with every note 20u on display in best buy with same distortions showing up.
The samsung reps even noticed it after asking me what I was doing lol.
My best friend is a regional manager for tmobile and he's noticed all the handsets he's looked at have it too.
I really do believe every n20u has this issue, if not every north america n20u has it.
If you don't notice it, try another phone and compare them side to side, it's should be obvious then.
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Is it not Google messages with the tint? You should be able to replicate it with any dark screen not just Google Messages, if it is the display itself.
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Is it not Google messages with the tint? You should be able to replicate it with any dark screen not just Google Messages, if it is the display itself.
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No because on my note 9 and 10+, my girlfriend's pixel 4 its a solid grey background without the artifacts.
I'm just letting you guys know the easiest way for you guys to see it. It definitely shows up on all of Google's apps that use that dark mode background
I chose max resolution at 60Hz, the battery endurance matters to me especially when I'm using Exynos..
I also respect those who like to have 120Hz at 1080p, that unavoidable smoothness definitely matters.
I wish it had a bigger battery & ran at 1440p at 120Hz.
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Is it not Google messages with the tint? You should be able to replicate it with any dark screen not just Google Messages, if it is the display itself.
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Its not the messages he is trying to give you an easy reference color, the default dark mode background color of google msgs makes it easy. One can download grey wallpapers to see the same effect.
Max resolution for me. Don't notice a difference at 120hz
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I keep mine at 60hz and 1080p. Can't really tell the difference in resolution from full and qhd. And I can tell the difference in 60 and 120hz but only if I go looking for it. I'd rather have battery life than gimmicks. Although I do switch over to 120hz for the 1 or 2 games I play that support it. Really the only place the faster refresh is an advantage.
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Its not the messages he is trying to give you an easy reference color, the default dark mode background color of google msgs makes it easy. One can download grey wallpapers to see the same effect.
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I guess I still don't get it, that or I got a lucky one. I don't use google messages, but I did put a plain gray screen on and I don't see any green. I don't have any issues with the google apps that I use either (maps, youtube, youtube music).
Max resolution here as well.
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I guess I still don't get it, that or I got a lucky one. I don't use google messages, but I did put a plain gray screen on and I don't see any green. I don't have any issues with the google apps that I use either (maps, youtube, youtube music).
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May be or if you have note 8 or 9 or 10 try putting the same wallpaper on both the phones and see. i think i uploaded a side by side pic somewhere on the forum of a note 8 and note 20 Ultra having same wallpaper you can see the difference.
120Hz is so smooth and enjoyable so I stick with it.
I never experienced any flickering or issue so far.
Today i was measuring s21 brightness in the store and was shocked i was getting 850lux readings (from s10+ sensor) meanwhile 12 pro max was showing 780 lux. I wanted to compare two phones next to eachother but guy says they cannot take the phones away from the table. Though, super lucky, the guy himself owned an s21(this is not a samsung store in case you missed) and lets me compare them side by side. I compare and s21 is noticably dimmer, very close to my s10+. Now im confused, i got brighter readings then why?
So i took his phone to the store s21 and there was a huge brightness difference. We updated both s21's and after letting them cool down (cuz they dim when hot) the results were still same. His s21 was nowhere near store s21's brightness. His s21 gave about 500lux reading meanwhile store one gave 850.
Take the numbers with a grain of salt since the sensor is s10+ and brightness reading changes depending on if you hold the measured device diagonal or straight.
But turns out review sites arent wrong. S21s manual brightness is rated at 400 nits which explains why its so close to my s10+(310) and so far from 12 pro max.(800) Meanwhile store s21 shows 800nits manually.
So if you were to buy it, you only get 400 nits manually. I suppose its a trick to make you believe the screen is super bright but its only in the store.
By enabling video enhancher and opening up youtube, guys s21 also goes up to 800nits, but only in that youtube app and video player (maybe one more thing i forgot too) Keep that in mind if you are shopping for a s21.
Edit: (in case you are curious, store s21 showed 800nits whetever auto brightness was on or off)
Firmware.
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Firmware.
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We updated both phones to latest if thats what you mean.
But i saw a "display mode"( i am from turkey so dont know exact translation) in store s21 which said stuff like " dont turn this on/off if you arent autohorized. It does stuff like reset the phone regularly" and some bunch of other stuff. It wasnt written there but i suppose this brightness boost comes from that "display mode" or "exhibition mode"
Maybe another one of tricks in the Samsung bag of marketing tricks that they are notorious for.
Operating at or near full brightness with a OLED display is never a good idea though.
You can kill them fast like this especially in direct sunlight.
It's not just the OLEDs in the display, there are thousands of mosfets in there too and very little heat sinking capacity for all of them. The brighter it is, the more heat the display needs to dissipate.
A lot of that heat is dissipated through the front of display it's self.
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Maybe another one of tricks in the Samsung bag of marketing tricks that they are notorious for.
Operating at or near full brightness with a OLED display is never a good idea though.
You can kill them fast like this especially in direct sunlight.
It's not just the OLEDs in the display, there are thousands of mosfets in there too and very little heat sinking capacity for all of them. The brighter it is, the more heat the display needs to dissipate.
A lot of that heat is dissipated through the front of display it's self.
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Yea but moderation is key. Not like we will use max all the time, but being able to go max whenever we desire is a good experience. Much better than feeling like your display could do better.(know from my s10+)
I think heat isnt much of a concern either since all displays dim when phone reaches a certain temeperature, automatically.
Besides, subpixels wont be max intensity all the time when watching vids or playing games so its not that bad.
As long as you dont blast max brightness 7/24 it should be fine imo
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Yea but moderation is key. Not like we will use max all the time, but being able to go max whenever we desire is a good experience. Much better than feeling like your display could do better.(know from my s10+)
I think heat isnt much of a concern either since all displays dim when phone reaches a certain temeperature, automatically.
Besides, subpixels wont be max intensity all the time when watching vids or playing games so its not that bad.
As long as you dont blast max brightness 7/24 it should be fine imo
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High energy blue OLEDs fail first... there already been people reporting "burn in" with OLED displays.
They have a finite lifespan; the brightest stars burn the shortest.
As for thermal throttling, sometimes it works other times things get cooked.
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High energy blue OLEDs fail first... there already been people reporting "burn in" with OLED displays.
They have a finite lifespan; the brightest stars burn the shortest.
As for thermal throttling, sometimes it works other times things get cooked.
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Burn in could be a display lottery i guess. Of course oleds are very susceptible to it but i think it happening in 1-2 years is too fast unless like, someone uses it at max brightness for few hours every day with white navigation showing(very static). I guess ill have to see how my s10+ fares, so far no issues kind of a heavy user here.