By Krishan Sharma:
The competition is set to heat up further with both HTC and Nokia rumoured to be releasing a phablet each by the end of the year and even Apple reportedly working on screen sizes of up to 6-inches
On top of that, there’s increasing competition from Chinese brands such as Huawei and CoolPad with low cost sub $US200 phablets. So plenty at stake here for Samsung and the Galaxy Note 3 just might let it hold on to the phablet crown for now.
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I think that in order to assure competition stays behind, all Samsung has to do is reduce Gnote3 abusive price..
Are you listening Samsung people?
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Go get one of the cheap a$$ $200 phablets with 1gb of ram , etc ...there is no comparison those are just cheap knock offs ... yes htc is finally going to make one haha 3 years after the first and of course apple is going to inovate the whole world with their Iphablet somehow it will be the first according to every fanboi ... You get what you pay for samsung has 3gb of ram yes it could have a non pentile screen but it will be a great device
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I think that a 700 euros ($930 )pre-order price, is abusive no matter what, even for a state-of-the-art, high-end super smartphone...
Let's see how its price will look like over a couple of months from now.
Gladly, as a owner of the excellent GNote2, I am not in a hurry.
It's not about value or quality comparisons, is about strategy...
As a consumer, you don't have to accept or even justify, big corporations abusive prices policies.
Let them do that...be clever...
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betoNL said:
I think that a 700 euros ($930 )pre-order price, is abusive no matter what, even for a state-of-the-art, high-end super smartphone...
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Samsung (or any other manufacturer) will get away with the highest pricing they think the market will bear. There's no doubt the price will drop over time. It's kind of like buying a new car. If you buy it at the beginning of the model year you'll pay top dollar. If you buy it at the end of model year after the next generation's been announced you'll pay a hell of a lot less. You quoted what's happened to N2 pricing now that the N3's out.
As for the N3 vs. other phablets you do get a lot for the abusive price
32GB of NAND and 3GB of RAM
An inductive Wacom-esque display for inking and a Synaptics overlay for using some air-control features without needing the pen
Sensors for accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, temperature, humidity, gesture
The new Qualcomm Envelope Tracking power saving chip
USB 3.0
MHL 2.0
4.3 (a short lived benefit)
Top tier components of the highest quality and "newness"
A removable battery which adds design complexity and cost
Samsung's army of s/w (though not everyone uses all the features)
Samsung's devices generally have a good durability record
The Note-series has always been aimed at "creation" and "productivity" and because of S Pen/S Note doesn't really have a lot of competition. All the other phablets that are out and coming out are really just giant versions of each manufacturers phone family and focused on consumption. So people who really want a giant phone have lots of choices. People that appreciate S Pen/S Note will pay the abusive price. I'm one of those people and if it weren't for S Pen/S Note I'd have a 4.7/5.2" standard-size phone and there's no guarantee it would be a Samsung. The N2 sold 15-20% of what the SGS3 did. If Samsung can abuse that same percentage of people to go for a N3 it'll be a hit. Time will tell.
Unless competitors add extensive stylus capabilities there will be no other phablet I consider in my phone quest. If I wanted a regular smartphone I'd opt for a S4 or something of the like. The productivity potential of the Note puts it above the competition for my use
@BarryH_GEG ,
Hey man, you promised me then, to always quote my posts integrally :laugh: :laugh: .
I know you are in love with with the GN3 ( or..are you a Samsung share holder?) and of course if I have to choose among an abusively priced HTC or an abusively priced Sony or an abusively priced Samsung like the GN3 I will always go for the GN3, since, just like you, I am also impressed with its specs and being a GNote series user since the beginning and all, however ...
An abuse is an abuse no matter what...( and the damn Apple is the one that started this trend of abusive prices, among other crap....).
And I am very optimistic that I will keep the willpower and wait as long as possible till prices get a lot less abusive and hoping to sell my excellent GN2 for a good price around then.
A buddy of my already laughed and said I won't be able to wait that long and will get that beast sooner than I think...but I am trying....
And if I wait too long I will probably will get the GN4 instead, with a (probably) flexible screen, abusive price and all
My primary goal is: resist all temptations and I have a very good phone right now to help me to achieve that.
At least we agree that the prices are abusive.
Do you hear Samsung? Abusive!
Anyway I am hopeful:
Here in Holland the Galaxy S4 is already 100 euros ($130) cheaper than the HTC one....and guess which one keeps selling way more?
Better + better price = competition killer.
And that's what I meant with that part of my post that you left behind in your quote:
betoNL said:
It's not about value or quality comparisons, is about strategy...
As a consumer, you don't have to accept or even justify, big corporations abusive prices policies.
Let them do that...be clever...
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Strategy, and above all , THINKING AHEAD
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I can relate
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By Krishan Sharma:
I think that in order to assure competition stays behind, all Samsung has to do is reduce Gnote3 abusive price..
Are you listening Samsung people?
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Krishan,
You have brought up some interesting points.
I do think that Samsung have got away with it because the NOTE series is still unique, in my mind. No one else has really managed to get such good integration of a stylus. I hope that some of the competitors do get much better in the Phablet category.
As an owner of the NOTE1 I decided not to get a NOTE2 but I am very keen to get the GN3. I am still willing to pay "TOP Dollor" because no one else gives me this type of passage. However I expect by next year it will have changed. Because a lot of companies are now paying serious attention to this category of device.
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Back in the day (in non-phone geek's eyes), if you had an Android phone, you had a "Droid." Now, if you have an Android phone, you have a "Galaxy."
Back then, you would pay top dollar for a Motorola Droid, since that is what people thought of when they went to purchase an Android phone. The Galaxy series has since (by far) taken the spotlight when it comes to Android. Therefore they are doing what any successful corporation would do; taking advantage of the popularity and charging more for the name.
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betoNL said:
[MENTION=1493949]Hey man, you promised me then, to always quote my posts integrally :laugh: :laugh: .
I know you are in love with with the GN3 ( or..are you a Samsung share holder?) and of course if I have to choose among an abusively priced HTC or an abusively priced Sony or an abusively priced Samsung like the GN3 I will always go for the GN3, since, just like you, I am also impressed with its specs and being a GNote series user since the beginning and all, however ...
An abuse is an abuse no matter what...( and the damn Apple is the one that started this trend of abusive prices, among other crap....).
And I am very optimistic that I will keep the willpower and wait as long as possible till prices get a lot less abusive and hoping to sell my excellent GN2 for a good price around then.
A buddy of my already laughed and said I won't be able to wait that long and will get that beast sooner than I think...but I am trying....
And if I wait too long I will probably will get the GN4 instead, with a (probably) flexible screen, abusive price and all
My primary goal is: resist all temptations and I have a very good phone right now to help me to achieve that.
At least we agree that the prices are abusive.
Do you hear Samsung? Abusive!
Anyway I am hopeful:
Here in Holland the Galaxy S4 is already 100 euros ($130) cheaper than the HTC one....and guess which one keeps selling way more?
Better + better price = competition killer.
And that's what I meant with that part of my post that you left behind in your quote: Strategy, and above all , THINKING AHEAD.
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See, I quoted your entire post.
As for "love," I love my family, dogs, and closest friends. My devices are my devices. I'm excited about the N3 because I think it's cool and I've had my N7100 since November (a long time for me) and am itching for something new.
Here's part of my rationalization for buying early when prices are higher. I'd be lying if I said I didn't like having the newest tech before everyone else and showing it off. The life cycle of devices used to be about a year but now the DNA and N4 are considered ancient and the SGS4 and One aren't even "new" anymore; at least on XDA. So if I pay 20% more to have a new toy earlier and get to show off a bit I consider it worth it. YMMV of course.
P.S. - I swore I wouldn't but I pre-ordered a Gear when I found out you can shake it to turn it on which a lot of reviewers missed. It'll go well with my N3 and 3G Note 10.1 2014. Sigh. I'm tech addicted.
Samsung has put a lot into this device and certainly it is worthy of the price point. Besides in the US no one pays full price unless they want to. I have done it many times, but I opted to use my upgrade this time around.
Where's the address for that "techoholic anonymous" ?
:laugh:
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betoNL said:
I think that a 700 euros ($930 )pre-order price, is abusive no matter what, even for a state-of-the-art, high-end super smartphone...
Let's see how its price will look like over a couple of months from now.
Gladly, as a owner of the excellent GNote2, I am not in a hurry.
It's not about value or quality comparisons, is about strategy...
As a consumer, you don't have to accept or even justify, big corporations abusive prices policies.
Let them do that...be clever...
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iPhone 5s (32gb) - 739 EUR preorder price
HTC One - 661 EUR preorder price
Note 2 - 650 EUR preorder price
LG G2 - 629 EUR preorder price
Lumia 1020 - 699 EUR preorder price
Given the price and specs of the Note 3's competition and predecessor I'm not sure how anyone can be surprised with the pricing. In my opinion, it's the cost of being on the bleeding edge. I don't see how the pricing is abusive when looking at similar devices. Keeping in mind the Note is the only high end device with a Wacom digitizer..
Maverick777 said:
iPhone 5s (32gb) - 739 EUR preorder price
HTC One - 661 EUR preorder price
Note 2 - 650 EUR preorder price
LG G2 - 629 EUR preorder price
Lumia 1020 - 699 EUR preorder price
Given the price and specs of the Note 3's competition and predecessor I'm not sure how anyone can be surprised with the pricing. In my opinion, it's the cost of being on the bleeding edge. I don't see how the pricing is abusive when looking at similar devices. Keeping in mind the Note is the only high end device with a Wacom digitizer..
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They were/are all abusive prices.
I bought my Note2 a couple of months after the pre-order period for 530 Euros ( around 130 euros cheaper)
Today the Note2 is costing around 410 euros over here ( online)
It's just a matter of how long a high-techoholic / gadgetoholic can resist and wait :cyclops:
And the iPhone is not an example, cause it's for ubber-suckers :laugh:
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Hello folks.
Sadly yesterday evening I had my beloved and in pristine condition Nexus 6 stolen when getting into the metro.
Phone is already off and no location available in find my Android. I know it is now gone anyways, nothing I can do about it.
I am temporary living in Mexico and here technology comes at a very high cost, approximately 30%+ of prices in US or EU. Also smartphones in general even when getting aged they seems to keep a very high price. For instance a new Nexus 6 32Gb would cost me from 9000 to 12000 Mexican pesos, which is equal to $450 to $650 USD.
Also I don't really trust on getting used stuff in this country. Lots of stolen or partially functional products.
My available and maximum budget right now is 5500 Mexican pesos which is equivalent to roughly $280 USD. The options aren't many really, plus I want a device that is community supported. From what I have seen so far this amount can get me either a Nexus 5X or a Moto G4 Plus. Which of the two would you guys recommend? Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Pietro
Hey guys,
So I'm thinking about getting a new mid range phone, and while I asked earlier on this subreddit about a Xiaomi phone, I got the feeling that most people would rather go after another phone as a budget phone. I have stumpled upoen the Huawei M10 Lite, Motorola G6 Play and even the Huawei P20 lite, but wonder if I should pick any of those, or even another phone as a mid range phone?
Now the story: I have an iPhone 6S, which is more or less dead. The antenna is garbage (even worse than my GF's, which also have an 6S, so my phone is somewhat damaged apparently), and the battery life is not what its used to be, and since I am done with expensive phones (which is why I go for a mid range Android), I was thinking about getting a new one. The Android market is a little more complext than the iPhone market, since theres usually 2-3 iPhone models that comes out every year, which make the choice easier, but the Android market is a jungle for someone who doesn't really know the market well. The reason I've chosen M10 Lite, G6 Play and Huawei p20 Lite as choices is because the budget doesnt break my bank, and even though they all have flaws, they seem like good phones for the price. I live in Denmark, where prices are somewhat high on the phones. Right now most of them are on sale, and the prices range like this:
Huawei M10 Lite : 266 USD (On Sale, normal price 313 USD) Moto G6 Play: 235 USD Huawei P20 Lite: 360 USD (On Sale, normal price (438)
What's important for me is a phone thats not sluggish, and has a decent camera. I know these mid range phones has pretty bad cameras, with some better than other. But none of them can match my iphone 6S in that regard.
Are any of these phones worth it, or is it worth digging up an old flagship from the previous years, and in which case, which one?
Hi! We have a dedicated thread for these types of questions, https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
So I'll close this one. Good luck! :good:
just a quick question:
has it EVER happened, that oneplus increased the prices of a phone after it came out?
for example: oneplus 7 pro 8gb costs 760€ now, they sell Very Well and immediately sell out the whole stock. 1-2 weeks later the phone is available again but with higher price (e.g 800€ for same 8gb variant) because people are OBVIOUSLY loving the phone and are prepared to pay (even more).. This would be a **** move of course, but a wonderful business strategy..and it's not like it has never happened in the business world. The question is: could oneplus do such a thing? or did they ever do it? (I am closely watching\interested in this company only since 6t so I don't know it that well).
I'm guessing they can't afford to do so with the current model as it will hurt future sales. They will however incorporate the price hike in the "next model" release which most likely would be just a "limited edition" color or co-branding. That's what I would do business wise anyway...
sensationvsgalaxy said:
just a quick question:
has it EVER happened, that oneplus increased the prices of a phone after it came out?
for example: oneplus 7 pro 8gb costs 760€ now, they sell Very Well and immediately sell out the whole stock. 1-2 weeks later the phone is available again but with higher price (e.g 800€ for same 8gb variant) because people are OBVIOUSLY loving the phone and are prepared to pay (even more).. This would be a **** move of course, but a wonderful business strategy..and it's not like it has never happened in the business world. The question is: could oneplus do such a thing? or did they ever do it? (I am closely watching\interested in this company only since 6t so I don't know it that well).
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I have had most OnePlus phones and I've never seen that happen.
No manufacturer in their right mind would do this. They know their cost to build/develop the device, and, understand their sales forecast, and how to price it from the release date. It is all part of the product cycle.
So backstory, I found a really good deal on Facebook Marketplace for a OnePlus 8T (US Version unlocked from Amazon) for $370. It's in excellent condition, is paid off, and seems to be the unlocked KB2005 model.
Since the phone is basically half off at that price, I'm super tempted by it. However, the other part of me almost wants to wait for the inevitable OnePlus 9/9 Pro announcements in March and maybe get that one of those on launch. I also had the idea of selling my current phone or the 8T if I'm impressed by either model. That's where I thought I'd come to XDA to ask for advice on what I should do, or if anyone has other ideas!
I currently own a 6T that I got on launch in 2018 and I absolutely love it. It still works well, but being a big tech enthusiast is making me start to get an itch to upgrade soon (especially since my dad just got a Galaxy S21 and was really impressed just helping him set it up).
Thanks all!
I also was on the fence with ditching my 6T for this one, but it's quite an upgrade in almost every way. Once you experience how fluid the screen refresh is, there is no going back. I scored mine on a trade-in promo. Wouldn't pay full retail for it, tho. Seems like a really good deal at that price point. 9 series is going to be very expensive at first, so factor that in. If anything, grab 8T and see if t-mobile is going to be running trade-in promos on them (9 series). You can always sell it on swappa for more if you don't like it.
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I also was on the fence with ditching my 6T for this one, but it's quite an upgrade in almost every way. Once you experience how fluid the screen refresh is, there is no going back. I scored mine on a trade-in promo. Wouldn't pay full retail for it, tho. Seems like a really good deal at that price point. 9 series is going to be very expensive at first, so factor that in. If anything, grab 8T and see if t-mobile is going to be running trade-in promos on them (9 series). You can always sell it on swappa for more if you don't like it.
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You bring up a good point there regarding trade in deals. I'd also imagine that T-Mobile is bound to have a deal for the 9 Series. I got my 6T on their original trade in deal in 2018 where you could trade the OG OnePlus One and get $300 off the 6T. It was a no brainer, since I essentially got full value for a 4 year old phone.
Do you recommend oneplus 8t or is better wait?
Hi there, unfortunately my actual phone stoped working and I came back for my backup phone.
So I'm looking for a new phone and in this moment we can find Oneplus 8t for around $500.
Do you think that is a good deal? Or is better wait for a possible oneplus 9 lite with SD 870?
After watch and read many reviews, I did a list with the principal points. Can you tell me if the list match with your real usage?
here are the good things that I observed:
+Screen
+Battery
+Fast Charger 65w
+Dual speaker
+Oxygen Os
In other side:
- Others chargers doesn't look work well
- No SD 865 Plus
- Regular camera
last month traded my Tmo OP7T (with $90 balance, so i paid it off) with Tmo OP8T, paid $0 out of pocket, and it actually lowered my monthly by $20/mo. Tmo still valued the OP7T for $750. So, new phone, lower monthly