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Mi 4C is it worth it?

Hello all,
I hope your devices are treating you well.
I currently have a Nexus 4, which the support for is slowly dying. Therefore, I need to buy a new well supported phone.
First off, I really like the Mi 4C. However, I fear that it will become obsolete and follow the N4's fate really soon. Is that true?
Second, when I got the N4, I realized that there were some issues that people didn't speak much about such as noise while in phonecalls because of the proximity sensor and some headset buttons not working. Are there any similar - or untold - problems like that?
Finally, some rumors are popping out about the Mi5, do you think its worth the wait?
Any and all answers are appreciated. Thank you.

IMO if you really like vanilla android, fast updates and vast amount of custom ROMs, you will probably gonna miss that on Xiaomi's phone
My last phone was Moto G first gen and my first impression after moving to Xiaomi (MIUI) is that some features from vanilla android are missing on MIUI. I really missed that on the first couple of weeks but I learn to live without that for a few more weeks, had enough and switched to CM12 ROMs
Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with the hardware. It's just I didn't really like MIUI
I think you should try MIUI first to see if you like it or not and you can always use custom ROMs if you want.

gutzzz said:
my first impression after moving to Xiaomi (MIUI) is that some features from vanilla android are missing on MIUI.
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What did you miss from stock android?
Thanks.

nor-ric said:
What did you miss from stock android?
Thanks.
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Little things like expanding notifications on the lock screen without pulling notification drawer, task switcher design, inconsistent notification color and overall UI experience is less polished than vanilla android.
It looks like a minor thing but once it's gone I really missed that.

Well MIUI isn't so bad, just a bit different and needs time to get used to. The device seems the best 5' vfm right now. Upon release of kernel sources I'm sure it will get proper dev support too.

Thanks for all your answers.
The way I understand it now is that the device doesn't have proper dev support due to the lack of an open source kernel. Was the release of this kernel a rumor or was it confirmed?
Also, can you guys please answer me about the wait for Mi 5 and the device's hardware issues?
Thanks again

MisT. said:
First off, I really like the Mi 4C. However, I fear that it will become obsolete and follow the N4's fate really soon. Is that true?
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Even Xiaomi still supports 3 years old Mi2s, how are you saying Mi4c is going to obsolete soon?
MisT. said:
Second, when I got the N4, I realized that there were some issues that people didn't speak much about such as noise while in phonecalls because of the proximity sensor and some headset buttons not working. Are there any similar - or untold - problems like that?
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Check the other threads. I don't have it (or don't realize it), but those people who report do.
MisT. said:
Finally, some rumors are popping out about the Mi5, do you think its worth the wait?
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If you can afford it, go. It will be a beast.

leledumbo said:
Even Xiaomi still supports 3 years old Mi2s, how are you saying Mi4c is going to obsolete soon?
Check the other threads. I don't have it (or don't realize it), but those people who report do.
If you can afford it, go. It will be a beast.
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Thanks for your answers

4c is probably the best bang for buck phone you can get now, great specs incl ir blaster, great camera, loud speaker although mono. Only thing keeping it back is kernel sources but that hasn't stopped 2 different cm roms coming on it.
I also came from a Nexus 4 and this is a great upgrade and I expect it have support for 3 years at least.
Mi5 will be great phone with flagship specs so at least wait for the official reveal and prices. If I were in your position I'd probably lean towards the mi5

I just got this Mi-4c a few days ago from a friend. Honestly, I love MIUI. I used to have a ROM with it on my old Motorola Triumph from Virgin Mobile. I think it's amazing with the themes. Pair in different fonts and live wallpapers and I'm in love.
I currently use an iPhone 6s as my primary, have a Note 3 for media, a BlackBerry Z10 just because and a Lumia 640 for the same reason.
I can't wait until my official smart wallet case from Xiaomi comes! I love technology... ^.^
Sent from my Mi-4c using Tapatalk. ·MIUI 7·

Septembersrain said:
I just got this Mi-4c a few days ago from a friend. Honestly, I love MIUI. I used to have a ROM with it on my old Motorola Triumph from Virgin Mobile. I think it's amazing with the themes. Pair in different fonts and live wallpapers and I'm in love.
I currently use an iPhone 6s as my primary, have a Note 3 for media, a BlackBerry Z10 just because and a Lumia 640 for the same reason.
I can't wait until my official smart wallet case from Xiaomi comes! I love technology... ^.^
Sent from my Mi-4c using Tapatalk. ·MIUI 7·
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Are you using stock MIUI7 og 3rd party?

jonasb_dk said:
Are you using stock MIUI7 og 3rd party?
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I'm using stock MIUI 7. Luckily I'm pretty familiar with the layout, so I can navigate easily even though everything is in Chinese. I figure if I want to modify, I can always do it. For now though, I'm enjoying it the way it came.
Only thing I've done is get the Playstore and the Google installer. Besides that, I liked the phone as it came.
Sent from my Mi-4c using Tapatalk. ·MIUI 7·

Septembersrain said:
I'm using stock MIUI 7. Luckily I'm pretty familiar with the layout, so I can navigate easily even though everything is in Chinese. I figure if I want to modify, I can always do it. For now though, I'm enjoying it the way it came.
Only thing I've done is get the Playstore and the Google installer. Besides that, I liked the phone as it came.
Sent from my Mi-4c using Tapatalk. ·MIUI 7·
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Yes, it is a pretty neat phone. I actually like MIUI, more than I thought. But it bugs me, that I can't set the DPI. That's actually the only thin preventing me from using MIUI. Also, I can't seem to be able to download Theme or anything from the MI Store.
Did you check if you had any malware installed when you got it? Mine was infected when I got it. I just bought one for my significant other, got it today, and found out that it too was infected, had TWRP installed and Xiaomi.eu as ROM. :silly:

jonasb_dk said:
Yes, it is a pretty neat phone. I actually like MIUI, more than I thought. But it bugs me, that I can't set the DPI. That's actually the only thin preventing me from using MIUI. Also, I can't seem to be able to download Theme or anything from the MI Store.
Did you check if you had any malware installed when you got it? Mine was infected when I got it. I just bought one for my significant other, got it today, and found out that it too was infected, had TWRP installed and Xiaomi.eu as ROM. :silly:
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Why can't you download themes? I use a third party to buy the Mi credits.
I don't see any malware. I could be wrong though, anything I should be looking for?
Thanks!
Sent from my Mi-4c using Tapatalk. ·MIUI 7·

jonasb_dk said:
Yes, it is a pretty neat phone. I actually like MIUI, more than I thought. But it bugs me, that I can't set the DPI. That's actually the only thin preventing me from using MIUI. Also, I can't seem to be able to download Theme or anything from the MI Store.
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You can manually chnange the DPI:
1) Install a terminal emulator
2) Type in "su" and grant Superuser rights
3) Type in "wm density YOURDPI"
4) Reboot.
Just replace YOURDPI with the dpi you want, for example 380.

Horizontal multi-multitasking they way they do it sux. Just give me lollipop carousel and MIUI is everything iOS should be but never will be.

No AOSP yet?

Kinda disappointed there's no Pixel love, any devs out there looking to make an AOSP ROM?

Honestly, is there even much reason to when stock is so good?

k.s.deviate said:
Kinda disappointed there's no Pixel love, any devs out there looking to make an AOSP ROM?
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To my knowledge they haven't released the source code yet for AOSP to be built off of.

I see them here https://android.googlesource.com/
Under device/google/marlin

k.s.deviate said:
Kinda disappointed there's no Pixel love, any devs out there looking to make an AOSP ROM?
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Give them time, it is a fairly new device.
pjd2011 said:
Honestly, is there even much reason to when stock is so good?
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The reason is simple. No carrier Bloat!!!

I'm sure it will come with time.. I'm just putting it out there ? no disrespect meant in anyway.

FernBch said:
Give them time, it is a fairly new device.
The reason is simple. No carrier Bloat!!!
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I have the Verizon version what carrier Bloat are you talking about?

parmend said:
I have the Verizon version what carrier Bloat are you talking about?
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If you put an active Verizon sim in any pixel it will install like 3 apps. No big deal at all they can all be uninstalled but for some reason people think it's a huge deal lol

pjd2011 said:
Honestly, is there even much reason to when stock is so good?
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Yes for all of the functions and settings custom roms offer.
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aholeinthewor1d said:
If you put an active Verizon sim in any pixel it will install like 3 apps. No big deal at all they can all be uninstalled but for some reason people think it's a huge deal lol
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The Verizon apps are always there just deactivated. Verizon sim just lets the apps show up in your app drawer. Also the Verizon apps are always running in the background. Don't know why; I don't even have a Verizon sim in my phone but there they are.

drock212 said:
The Verizon apps are always there just deactivated. Verizon sim just lets the apps show up in your app drawer. Also the Verizon apps are always running in the background. Don't know why; I don't even have a Verizon sim in my phone but there they are.
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Where are these apps?
Edit: there are no hidden disabled apps at all. They do not come installed on the phone. They get installed during setup if you have a Verizon sim card in and sign into a good account in the setup. I've had two pixels and done at least 10 factory resets and flashed full factory images. I've never had one of those apps get installed

aholeinthewor1d said:
Where are these apps?
Edit: there are no hidden disabled apps at all. They do not come installed on the phone. They get installed during setup if you have a Verizon sim card in and sign into a good account in the setup. I've had two pixels and done at least 10 factory resets and flashed full factory images. I've never had one of those apps get installed
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Install greenify and look through the list of apps you can have it force close. I've attached some screen shots in case you don't want to install greenify, as well as a screen shot that shows in on AT&T

drock212 said:
Install greenify and look through the list of apps you can have it force close. I've attached some screen shots in case you don't want to install greenify, as well as a screen shot that shows in on AT&T
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I don't have them.

I manually delete everything Verizon/sprint, no need for them with T-Mobile on Google version
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hi,
technically, u can build a working aosp 7.1.1 Rom for the pixel now, but its still a bit rough around the edges... I've already done it a couple of times. it comes with a few caveats though, by default its setup to use google's prebuilt kernel in the build, opengapps wont install without patching aosp and the build.prop in /vendor needs to be adjusted to match the fingerprint in /system to avoid an error on boot... all of these things are trivially fixable, but pixel on aosp isn't ready for primetime yet, Imho...
the stock Rom is much much better... I think until cyanogenmod and other Roms get working builds out, idk there's any compelling reason to switch to aosp....
lastly, idk aosp builds would be as fast ot optimized, im not sure how google's internal toolchain differs; are they using sdclang? are there optimizations in art, bionics, etc that haven't hit aosp yet? etc, etc

I too am keeping an eye on the custom ROM scene. I've always preferred the "lack" of carrier bloat, etc. Being a tester for some time has taught me much. Since the demise of my last device I am forced to take a break.

Stock is really good. But I am looking forward to using substratum again.

fracman said:
Stock is really good. But I am looking forward to using substratum again.
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I've been using substratum but just for theming the navbar on stock/pixel rom.... Obviously, if you try to theme systemui you will get a bootloop though (as expected. lol)... On top of that, I did also play with theming individual apps, mainly phone and google play which both worked, with the particular theme that I was using...
Theming would be nice on stock, it's too bad that google ripped out the dark theme that was in the N previews, I would have been happy with that, myself.

I think I'm most looking forward to the extra features that get baked into custom AOSP Roms and the full substratum support. I'm not a big fan CyanogenMod, but I do try them out from time to time. Always seem to go back to AOSP tho.
I am using substratum to theme everything but system UI. All individual apps, settings etc.

k.s.deviate said:
I think I'm most looking forward to the extra features that get baked into custom AOSP Roms and the full substratum support. I'm not a big fan CyanogenMod, but I do try them out from time to time. Always seem to go back to AOSP tho.
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ya, I've contributed some patches to CM - but since getting the Pixel, I'm fairly happy with Stock. There are only a few features that I miss in CM that aren't available on the Pixel and even when I was using CM on my s5 - I always had to rip out a number of CM's features; all of the CMstats (analytics stuff), a number of their apps + adding my own keys since it is insecure (and arguably quite silly) to be using public known keys on ROMs (although, afaict - many third-party roms tend to do that.).
I'm thinking about rolling my own AOSP for Pixel -> pulling in only the features that I want, most of which I have patches for and only a few bits would need to be tracked down that I don't have. not hard to find though... Now that TWRP (RC1) can actually restore backups I can start actually looking at playing with AOSP without losing my stock rom that is already setup.

[Poll][Discussion] MIUI

Hello fellow XDAers,
I am waiting for MIUI 9 to drop so we can pull that into the kitchen and cook. I am going to attempt to work with the new system, I haven't ported anything after Jellybean. So with that, I wanted to see who was on-board to potentially want to try MIUI.
Two things; One - I am not saying I am for sure going to be successful, but I will try. 2; MIUI 9 release date is expected to be end of May or early June 2017.
Feel free to have a discussion of MIUI here, I will also use this thread for small updates in regards to MIUI.
--- Small Post Update ---
MIUI 9 ?
Here is a small list of features to potentially look out for in the new version of MIUI. This is a leap forward into Nougat from MIUI 8.
Multi-window support
Quick-reply from notifications
Optimised dose mode
RAM optimization
Improved data saver
Always-on VPN
Call screening feature
Dual space feature
Dual apps

I have honestly never once run a MIUI ROM. Im not quite the flashaholic i used to be (especially now, as finicky as the v20 seems to be), but i could be game for flashing it a few times to kick the tires, see how it rolls.
Am i to understand that it does not have a home screen/app drawer for stock launcher ala iOS? it does retain androids ability to change launchers?
Is there anything "must see" on MIUI? ...not so much eye candy·· I don't care about bling so much, im all about that utility.

Read miui is the best u can find

elijah420 said:
I have honestly never once run a MIUI ROM. Im not quite the flashaholic i used to be (especially now, as finicky as the v20 seems to be), but i could be game for flashing it a few times to kick the tires, see how it rolls.
Am i to understand that it does not have a home screen/app drawer for stock launcher ala iOS? it does retain androids ability to change launchers?
Is there anything "must see" on MIUI? ...not so much eye candy·· I don't care about bling so much, im all about that utility.
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Hello! We have all been there with the flashaholic syndrome. It's a fortunate disease ? the V20 is a unit that is quite more finicky than most, but surely not the worst.
Initially, this will be a project starting off with the 918 and working into other variants as I relearn Android and what the new systems look like. It is a launcher that emulates that of an iOS landscape. Yes, you still have all of the ability of changing launches, etc. Must "see" would be animations, style, small 'functionality' pieces like that of the battery bar rather than a battery icon and so on.
It's more or less a eye candy piece of OS rather than something slim, although it is still smaller than a factory image. More "bloated" than a aosp rom but still functions greatly under the right environment.

pbedard said:
Read miui is the best u can find
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Suggesting to read, or is there a system labeled Read Miui?

I tryed MUI on my note 3 n note 4 very nice OS

Gabe2014 said:
I tryed MUI on my note 3 n note 4 very nice OS
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Gee, long long time since playing with any new Mi Miui 9 is supposed to drop within 60ish days. I will pull the patch rom and play with that. It will be based on nougat!

HiddenKnight said:
Gee, long long time since playing with any new Mi Miui 9 is supposed to drop within 60ish days. I will pull the patch rom and play with that. It will be based on nougat!
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I'm excited to hear that, good news for our v20 , thanks on avance bro ???

I have attempted MIUI 8 but there are too many differences in the framework(MM vs N) to patch correctly. I was going to patch 9 in once it releases but if you want it you can have it.

Last time I had miui is when i ported it to the skyrocket in the jellybean era. Would love to see it again. Back when porting ROMs was simple

me2151 said:
I have attempted MIUI 8 but there are too many differences in the framework(MM vs N) to patch correctly. I was going to patch 9 in once it releases but if you want it you can have it.
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Collaboration is a very good method :good:

hawkeye29 said:
Last time I had miui is when i ported it to the skyrocket in the jellybean era. Would love to see it again. Back when porting ROMs was simple
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This is why I am ready for a challenge!

HiddenKnight said:
Collaboration is a very good method :good:
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Collaboration is better when its on big projects. something like miui wont need a collab. Now if you do get stuck then sure ill certainly help.

Would love to have someone seriously try to get a stable Miui going. Ran it back in my old Droid X days and really enjoyed it. Good luck and I hope you can do it.
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me2151 said:
Collaboration is better when its on big projects. something like miui wont need a collab. Now if you do get stuck then sure ill certainly help.
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I'll be sure to reach out.

moejoe88 said:
Would love to have someone seriously try to get a stable Miui going. Ran it back in my old Droid X days and really enjoyed it. Good luck and I hope you can do it.
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I will get it booting, the real problem for me will to get mostly everything working.

HiddenKnight said:
I will get it booting, the real problem for me will to get mostly everything working.
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From the skyrocket era the camera was the biggest pain in the ass. Now its everything but the camera thats a pain in the ass.

Added some minor information to OP about Miui 9 itself.

I've offered testing to me2151 and I'll offer it to you too. If you need a guinea pig for testing purposes I can help out

xxxrichievxxx said:
I've offered testing to me2151 and I'll offer it to you too. If you need a guinea pig for testing purposes I can help out
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me2151 - being described as?
Are you talking about Miui 8.2 the stable global builds?

Any roms being worked on?

Are there any roms being worked on? The XL has two so far. Hoping we get some.

They have two now? Wow I only saw the Lineage one, good to hear.
I'm wondering this as well, I imagine it shouldn't be that hard to port them over to our Walleye should anyone want to. After all, aren't they basically the same phone besides the bigger battery and different screen?
Anyway it's still early days yet, we just have to be patient.
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kalinda99 said:
They have two now? Wow I only saw the Lineage one, good to hear.
I'm wondering this as well, I imagine it shouldn't be that hard to port them over to our Walleye should anyone want to. After all, aren't they basically the same phone besides the bigger battery and different screen?
Anyway it's still early days yet, we just have to be patient.
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Yup theres LOS and AOSP so far. Carbon and ABC are being worked on, also think DU, OMNI, AICP and SLIM but not 100% sure. After spending so much on a phone seeing development is a relief. The phone is amazing stock, but coming from N6 I do miss flashing a bit. Havent used the N6 since dec 5 but I still download all latest rom updates + TWRP etc. for the N6 to keep backed up for the future.

I'm impatiently waiting for the Carbon Ron. I had it on my HTC m8 and genuinely miss it.
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Diesel_Jeremiah said:
I'm impatiently waiting for the Carbon Ron. I had it on my HTC m8 and genuinely miss it.
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I would be happy with anything at this point. I'm just shocked there isn't something at this point.
I haven't heard anything about any roms.

Looks like the XL now has 3 roms.

I know thats awesome just hope there will be a maintainer for them for the regular Pixel 2
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Looks like the XL now has 3 roms.
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Archangel said:
I know thats awesome just hope there will be a maintainer for them for the regular Pixel 2
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Me too.

According to the maintainer of taimen for LineageOs there will be a mantainer. That's what he said in the post. But it's up to the maintainer to provide unofficial/test builds for us. .

does flashing a custom rom on a Pixel effect the camera picture quality like it does on Oneplus Phones?

vuP22 said:
does flashing a custom rom on a Pixel effect the camera picture quality like it does on Oneplus Phones?
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I never had that issue with the Nexus phones. I would assume the same for this. It was one reason I purchased this phone over the 5T.

I'm glad that there are some ROMS being worked on. I really REALLY miss hold-back-to-kill and music controls with the volume rocker. Would be EXTREMELY helpful to have status bar brightness control as well. Pulling down the shade every time I want to change the brightness is pretty tedious.

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I'm glad that there are some ROMS being worked on. I really REALLY miss hold-back-to-kill and music controls with the volume rocker. Would be EXTREMELY helpful to have status bar brightness control as well. Pulling down the shade every time I want to change the brightness is pretty tedious.
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If passing safety net is not an issue for you, the Xposed module GravityBox for Oreo is now ready. I believe this has all of the features that you are looking for.

Thanks

Thanks, this will work for now. Status bar brightness is a little glitchy in landscape, but other than that this it's perfect shin while I wait for an actual ROM.

Why custom room?

I see a few "home-brewed" roms out there but not with their difficulties to install and possible soft bricking.
I don't see any of these roms beating out simply sticking with stock, rooting, exposed framework w/ gravity box, V4A, and secure settings.
This is all that is needed for me to be happy. Until an official rom comes out that has this phone figured out with gapps and have all these mods built in and a bit safer to flash, then maybe then.
So, all in all, I'm happy until this happens. Any one else happy with their set up as of now and if an official rom comes then fine time to play some more?
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Gravity box is working on 8.1 now?
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Diesel_Jeremiah said:
Gravity box is working on 8.1 now?
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Yes. Beta
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Why I cannot edit the subject to "ROM"? Lol.
Sent from my Pixel 2 using my fingers on the keyboard.

jasonbiggs said:
I see a few "home-brewed" roms out there but not with their difficulties to install and possible soft bricking.
I don't see any of these roms beating out simply sticking with stock, rooting, exposed framework w/ gravity box, V4A, and secure settings.
This is all that is needed for me to be happy. Until an official rom comes out that has this phone figured out with gapps and have all these mods built in and a bit safer to flash, then maybe then.
So, all in all, I'm happy until this happens. Any one else happy with their set up as of now and if an official rom comes then fine time to play some more?
Sent from my Pixel 2 using my fingers on the keyboard.
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Nevermind - looks like Systemless xposed is working now. YAY!

jasonbiggs said:
Why I cannot edit the subject to "ROM"? Lol.
Sent from my Pixel 2 using my fingers on the keyboard.
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Because custom rooms on phones are much cooler. You can flash any color paint you want on the walls and even flash yourself a man cave. J/K. But seriously, this is the first phone I have ever owned that I'm actually satisfied with the stock Android experience. When I was using an HTC Evo 3D back in the day, I grew quite fond of MIUI so I would love to see an Oreo version of that down the line. For now I'm sticking with stock. I never tried Lineage OS so I may try that as things progress, but not as a daily driver. There is a version of Lineage for my Nvidia Shield TV that I may duel boot to and play with before I try it on my Pixel.

PuffDaddy_d said:
Nevermind - looks like Systemless xposed is working now. YAY!
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Correction again. My exposed install didn't pass safety net.
Followed these instructions and still failed safety net.
https://magiskroot.net/install-system-less-xposed-framework-oreo/

DJarkIV said:
When I was using an HTC Evo 3D back in the day, I grew quite fond of MIUI so I would love to see an Oreo version of that down the line.
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There are a lot of MIUI launchers, if that's the experience you're looking for - see https://play.google.com/store/search?q=miui launcher . (An app is an app, regardless of which phone it's running on, so the fact that a particular app is running in an HTC won't change anything about it much, if at all, it's just the launcher that makes the real difference.)

Rukbat said:
There are a lot of MIUI launchers, if that's the experience you're looking for - see https://play.google.com/store/search?q=miui launcher . (An app is an app, regardless of which phone it's running on, so the fact that a particular app is running in an HTC won't change anything about it much, if at all, it's just the launcher that makes the real difference.)
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What I was actually stating is that the stock Pixel ROM is actually quite nice and useable even for a power user. Whereas the stock ROM for other phones I've owned were the opposite so I actually needed to run a 3rd party ROM to truly enjoy my phone. As far as MIUI, the launcher was not the reason I liked it so much. In fact, I really enjoy the Pixel launcher. (#1) When running a real MIUI ROM you have the ability to master toggle Root. This is a security feature and you can turn root off entirely when not needed and turn it on only when needed. (#2) The built in firewall is very handy. It not only allows you to select which apps can connect to the internet and which ones cannot but specifically which app processes can and cannot. I am able to stop Google services from sending anonymous info behind the scenes while keeping basic functionality of Gapps. (#3) The built in permission manager. Much more advanced than the permission manager on our Pixel 2 phones being that on MIUI there is a list of permissions most people don't know exist. These permissions are not configurable and hidden in most ROMs such as the ability turn off an apps access to your phones unique ID (IMEI, serial #, etc). These advanced permissions can be configured for both user and system apps alike. Again, just giving an app the bare minimum permissions it needs to function correctly without anything extra or intrusive. In addition, I really like the settings menu layout as well as additional settings not found in most AOSP ROMs. However, the last version of MIUI I really used like this was Jelly Bean based so I can only imagine how far it has come since then and I'm looking forward to trying an Oreo based version on my Pixel some time in the future.

I was about to purchase pixel 2 this weekend. While big brother (pixel 2 XL) having certain screen QC issues, I was thinking to get smaller one (even though - not big fan of small screen, small battery and huge bezels, but whatever). I remember my good old days with Nexus 5 with tons of custom ROMs. I was thinking the is going on right now with pixel 2 family.
I was shocked that there''re no custom ROMs so far. Wow... Even TWRP is in beta stage, but pixel 2 has been released months ago. That's weird....
Am I missing smth or got blind all of sudden? Why there''re no custom ROMs???

starche_old said:
I was about to purchase pixel 2 this weekend. While big brother (pixel 2 XL) having certain screen QC issues, I was thinking to get smaller one (even though - not big fan of small screen, small battery and huge bezels, but whatever). I remember my good old days with Nexus 5 with tons of custom ROMs. I was thinking the is going on right now with pixel 2 family.
I was shocked that there''re no custom ROMs so far. Wow... Even TWRP is in beta stage, but pixel 2 has been released months ago. That's weird....
Am I missing smth or got blind all of sudden? Why there''re no custom ROMs???
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A/b partition that Google decided to go for pixel is tough and cumbersome for devs
And most developers moved to oneplus due to less price
Cheers ?
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Prattham said:
A/b partition that Google decided to go for pixel is tough and cumbersome for devs
And most developers moved to oneplus due to less price
Cheers
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That's what I was thinking about OnePlus 5T.
I guess whoever wants custom ROM should get OnePlus 5T, but not pixel 2.

starche_old said:
That's what I was thinking about OnePlus 5T.
I guess whoever wants custom ROM should get OnePlus 5T, but not pixel 2.
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Yea pretty much
But on any given day pixel > than OP
Cheers ?
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TWRP isn't in beta anymore
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jasonbiggs said:
Why I cannot edit the subject to "ROM"? Lol.
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Edit > Go Advanced > Title.
You might need to use a PC or view XDA in desktop mode from a mobile device.