For my usage even 6GB ram in my S9+ is enough, so the 8GB version of OP7 Pro should be more than enough. The question is: is 12GB RAM going to be FASTER than the 8GB in any way when only using ONE app\benchmark\game at a time?? Cus I want the FASTEST.
As far as I know about how PCs work, more Ram only helps if you are using it... but then why did OP ''leak'' the cpu benchmark from the 12GB variant? https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/05/...isting-confirms-12-gb-ram-and-snapdragon-855/
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For my usage even 6GB ram in my S9+ is enough, so the 8GB version of OP7 Pro should be more than enough. The question is: is 12GB RAM going to be FASTER than the 8GB in any way when only using ONE app\benchmark\game at a time?? Cus I want the FASTEST.
As far as I know about how PCs work, more Ram only helps if you are using it... but then why did OP ''leak'' the cpu benchmark from the 12GB variant? https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/05/...isting-confirms-12-gb-ram-and-snapdragon-855/
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More RAM = More App memory
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For my usage even 6GB ram in my S9+ is enough, so the 8GB version of OP7 Pro should be more than enough. The question is: is 12GB RAM going to be FASTER than the 8GB in any way when only using ONE app\benchmark\game at a time?? Cus I want the FASTEST.
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You already know the answer.
By the time you need 12 gigs- you will probably become some 3 years older from now -- when a different SoC, GPU and the OS would actually want to make use of it on extremely intensive tasks.
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but then why did OP ''leak'' the cpu benchmark from the 12GB variant? https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/05/...isting-confirms-12-gb-ram-and-snapdragon-855/
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Don't know why "leaked" but all I can think of a phone having 12 gigs of RAM for now & also competitors following suit is all about BRAGGING RIGHTS.
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You already know the answer.
By the time you need 12 gigs- you will probably become some 3 years older from now -- when a different SoC, GPU and the OS would actually want to make use of it on extremely intensive tasks.
Don't know why "leaked" but all I can think of a phone having 12 gigs of RAM for now & also competitors following suit is all about BRAGGING RIGHTS.
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THANKS ..thats what I thought too..only that this video made me wonder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs_sCYQ8C3s& (starting 2:42..until then it's not interesting)
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You already know the answer.
By the time you need 12 gigs- you will probably become some 3 years older from now -- when a different SoC, GPU and the OS would actually want to make use of it on extremely intensive tasks.
Don't know why "leaked" but all I can think of a phone having 12 gigs of RAM for now & also competitors following suit is all about BRAGGING RIGHTS.
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Perhaps - but if you get 2-3 Andiiod upgrades and you pass your phone on to kids, grandma or someone who's less of a power user, having a phone that works can be better than buying them a new one.
Or if things keep going the way they're going, you keep the phone yourself because there's no significant upgrade that merits buying a whole new phone as long as the current one still works fine.
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Perhaps - but if you get 2-3 Andiiod upgrades and you pass your phone on to kids, grandma or someone who's less of a power user, having a phone that works can be better than buying them a new one.
Or if things keep going the way they're going, you keep the phone yourself because there's no significant upgrade that merits buying a whole new phone as long as the current one still works fine.
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In both cases I doubt how much of a role the 12 gigs would play(highly doubtful) at all in comparison to 8 gigs, as that "additional" 4 gigs will have little to do with the system but a newer redesigned SoC definitely WILL - which will be absent.
I mean just adding some "Access gigs Of RAM " will not make the phone futureproof.
How many nand chips make up the 8Gb and the 12 GB?
If there are more chips in the 12gb version then it will eat more battery.
Just ordered the blue 12 G version ?
Unfortunate that 12GB is only available in blue.
Im about to order the 12GB version just for bragging rights. Does the 12GB actually make a difference to the performance? Unlikely if say. I have a 6T Mclaren and the 10GB makes zero difference over the ordinary 6T but with the Snapdragon maybe the extra ram is utilised who knows. Anyway Im hesitant as I don't want what Happened to the 6 to happen again a special edition Red color soon after. That really makes me angry. I was lucky to get the McLaren when I did. Don't want to spend over €800 and see that happening all over again.
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Looks like the Optimus 3D will be heading to AT&T as LG Thrill 4G. While I'm not sure if I would get this over the SG2, but I'm glad to see AT&T selection for Android phones are getting bigger.
Its the quickest phone so far according to these benchmarks my only beef is that it only has 512mb of ram, i was hoping for a gig. If the bootloader is unlocked this will probably be my next phone, no more samsung for me.
The wife and I are up for upgrades now, it will be this or the SGSII. You guys may not like Samsung, but mine ( captivate ) works great.
Hope they both release soon.
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Its the quickest phone so far according to these benchmarks.
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You know, I've seen similar benches w/ the same result. The Atrix & the Galaxy II both have more RAM then the 3D. I guess 512 is really all any Android dual core phone needs?
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You know, I've seen similar benches w/ the same result. The Atrix & the Galaxy II both have more RAM then the 3D. I guess 512 is really all any Android dual core phone needs?
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It's all it needs to run a single benchmark app. It needs more when you start running a couple of apps that use more memory and it starts closing apps you were using but sent to background. I'll fall back to my old example on my Captivate. When playing poker, I'd set a timer on my phone for blinds, but then I'd go to the browser and watch a live sporting event using Flash which obviously uses quite a bit of memory. The browser alone would use enough memory to close my timer app in order to get more memory, which would mean the timer would never go off.
That's just one time where it was really noticeable, but as apps get bigger and more complex, this will continue to happen more and more frequently. I'm really torn now because I like the idea of the 3D screen, but the 512 MB of memory is a big big negative to me. SGS2 or Thrill? Might just have to wait for the next big thing after that.
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It's all it needs to run a single benchmark app. It needs more when you start running a couple of apps that use more memory and it starts closing apps you were using but sent to background. I'll fall back to my old example on my Captivate. When playing poker, I'd set a timer on my phone for blinds, but then I'd go to the browser and watch a live sporting event using Flash which obviously uses quite a bit of memory. The browser alone would use enough memory to close my timer app in order to get more memory, which would mean the timer would never go off.
That's just one time where it was really noticeable, but as apps get bigger and more complex, this will continue to happen more and more frequently. I'm really torn now because I like the idea of the 3D screen, but the 512 MB of memory is a big big negative to me. SGS2 or Thrill? Might just have to wait for the next big thing after that.
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I see exactly what you mean. Then I suppose all the benches I've seen are restricted to a device's CPU & graphical abilities? I know that desktop benches test everything- I guess that's not the case here w/ smart-phones & their integrated RAM?
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I see exactly what you mean. Then I suppose all the benches I've seen are restricted to a device's CPU & graphical abilities? I know that desktop benches test everything- I guess that's not the case here w/ smart-phones & their integrated RAM?
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Most benchmarks test memory performance, but there isn't really a test for memory capacity since it already has a set value (the total capacity). The memory performance on this phone will probably be great since they said they are doing dual channel, but I just worry if 512 is enough.
AJerman, thanks for the explanation. I'll need to look into this a bit more in terms of what benchmark the media selects to adequately test smart phones. Considering the small footprint apps take in mobile OSs, I suppose apps will eventually list on their product page that a certain amount of free memory must be available in order for it to function properly.
Wait why would you rather get the GS2 over the Thrill? They both have daul core processors, and TI processor in the Thrill seems to be very good. Not only that, they are both 4g. Is the only reason you would prefer the GS2 the RAM? The Thrill had 512 MB RAM, right? how much do you expect form the GS2? 712 MB? I mean, how much of a difference will that make?
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Wait why would you rather get the GS2 over the Thrill? They both have daul core processors, and TI processor in the Thrill seems to be very good. Not only that, they are both 4g. Is the only reason you would prefer the GS2 the RAM? The Thrill had 512 MB RAM, right? how much do you expect form the GS2? 712 MB? I mean, how much of a difference will that make?
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The SGS2 will have 1GB. I have 512 MB in my Captivate right now and I run out of memory, thus, I can only assume with 512 in the Thrill, I would run out of memory.
If you are running out of memory with 512mb ram then something is very wrong.
Are you using a task-killer or custom rom?
I have the vibrant and after owning the nexus one I feel my vibrant is more nicer lol. I don't plan on getting rid.of.it.
Pinepig said:
The wife and I are up for upgrades now, it will be this or the SGSII. You guys may not like Samsung, but mine ( captivate ) works great.
Hope they both release soon.
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If you are running out of memory with 512mb ram then something is very wrong.
Are you using a task-killer or custom rom?
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Negative, lets do a little breakdown on Android memory here.
512 MB in the phone. A large chunk of that is reserved and the user never sees it. As it stands, I see 342 MB of RAM available for use. Now, that 342 is spread across all running services. Lots of apps stay resident unless the memory is needed. This improves load time for the apps, but they will close if memory starts getting low. Then you have your background services. These are still running and will stay running even in low memory unless you reach a critical point where they have to close too. So it's hard to tell how much you really have free. Right now my phone says I have about ~100 MB free.
Now, open up your web browser and load a Flash video. Good ole Adobe and the memory hogging Flash Player. Flash uses a TON of memory, so you can go ahead and say goodbye to most of what you have free. If you have something else running in the background and it's staying resident in the memory for quick start up, there's a good chance it's going to get killed to free memory for the web browser/Flash Player. If you need memory enough, some background services might even get killed as in the example where my timer app was getting killed when I ran a live flash video from the browser.
Thus, 512 MB isn't enough for phones now and the future. It was okay in the last generation of phones, but these new phones with dual core CPUs are only going to have more and more complex apps, and it's going to be more than Flash that's using a large chunk of memory.
Hello,
I'm thinking about buying a new phone and I want it to last some time without lags.
After some research, I realized that most phones on the market have 1GB RAM. Even the new Moto G, considered one of the best phones below 200€, has 1GB RAM.
Do you think that 1GB is enough to run smoothly the upcoming Android L with a decent amount of multitasking (Facebook, Tapatalk, Phone, Messaging...) and with minimum lag? How long do you think that this amount of RAM is going to be enough?
Hello Duarteman.. Are you the one from Redondo?
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Hello Duarteman.. Are you the one from Redondo?
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Hello bcuraman, I'm sorry but I don't know what you meant. I don't know what/where is Redondo...
That's fine.I just thought you were someone that I know.
About your question: it depends on what you're planning to use it for.if its for heavy usage and apps,I would say that 1gb won't be enough. I'm now on Oppo Find 7,and my previous phone was a SGS3, amazing phone but with only 1gb of ram.. It didn't lag that much,but it was noticeable unresponsive with some heavy apps...
If you're one of those people who just intend to use phone,messaging and Facebook,then 1gb is enough... Android L might be a lighter system but that's just the OS.. The apps is what makes the difference...How long the 1gb of ram lasts will depend on the ammount of apps you'd have open and how you feel with the phone itself..
i think 1 GB ram not enough, i have my S890 with 1 GB ram, it had litte lag with JB 4.2 .
Duarteman said:
Hello,
I'm thinking about buying a new phone and I want it to last some time without lags.
After some research, I realized that most phones on the market have 1GB RAM. Even the new Moto G, considered one of the best phones below 200€, has 1GB RAM.
Do you think that 1GB is enough to run smoothly the upcoming Android L with a decent amount of multitasking (Facebook, Tapatalk, Phone, Messaging...) and with minimum lag? How long do you think that this amount of RAM is going to be enough?
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It depends on the phone. Moto G? Yeah, 1GB is enough, because it runs (nearly) stock Android. A phone with a heavy ROM like a Samsung with TouchWiz? 1GB is barely adequate, and you'll see lag.
If you've got 200€ to spend, look at a Nexus 4. 2GB RAM and the processor is still very capable. Especially running stock Android or any custom ROM you can find. No LTE in Europe though, but 42.2Mb/s HSPA+ is still pretty fast.
1 GB RAM is very common now
Depends on what you will use your phone for. 1GB will let you easily do the day to day tasks.
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It depends on the phone. Moto G? Yeah, 1GB is enough, because it runs (nearly) stock Android. A phone with a heavy ROM like a Samsung with TouchWiz? 1GB is barely adequate, and you'll see lag.
If you've got 200€ to spend, look at a Nexus 4. 2GB RAM and the processor is still very capable. Especially running stock Android or any custom ROM you can find. No LTE in Europe though, but 42.2Mb/s HSPA+ is still pretty fast.
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I'm looking for a phone with Pure Android but that is not a very important issue. For example, if I buy a Samsung I can change the Stock ROM by a clean AOSP one. The essential thing here is the Hardware. Is 1GB enough for a fluent experience doing the main tasks (Fb, phone, sms, ...) for a few years?
The Nexus 4 is one of the phones I'm thinking about. The only thing that I don't like in it is the camera, it's weak. Other phones I'm thinking about are the HTC One M7 (unfortunately they are still a bit expensive) and the Samsung Galaxy S3 LTE (comes with a Quad Core and 2GB RAM). Other phones like the Moto G seem to be a nice deal and I can buy it new for less than 200€ but I'm really afraid that the (lack of) RAM.
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Depends on what you will use your phone for. 1GB will let you easily do the day to day tasks.
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Yes but that is for now... The question is how long will that last.
Thanks for all the replies btw!
Hi all,
looking for a nice smartphone that sports a big battery life, I've always had 3GB of RAM as a second must. Now I've got my eye on a phone that comes in 2GB and 3GB version. I've read on this forum in a couple of older posts that 2GB should be more than enough (normal use) and that 3GB is future proofing or for heavy multi taskers.
Is this still true? Or is 3GB RAM the best buy these days? What is more RAM good for? Is 2GB of RAM enough with the new Lollipop version? Will 2GB be enough in one years time?
Hope someone can shed some recent light on this subject!
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Could you be more specific? RAM usage depends on ROM: vanilla android takes a small amount, therefore 2GB should be enough. Touchwiz, on the other hand takes a lot more ( Note 3 SM-N9005 uses 2,1GB out of 2,75). This is just a guideline, of course, but I am sure Samsung, LG and HTC will make their heavy theming and bloating even heavier.
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I will try! atm I am looking at the HUAWEI Mate 7 as a possible new phone. Massive battery, slim bezels! In my country the 2GB version is standard, the 3GB version will be a lot more difficult to purchase ( and of course, it is more expensive).
That is why I wonder if 2GB is enough on a phone that I will most likely use in 2014 and 2015. Can they run the latest android versions that will be coming up, and most apps without problems? Or if 3GB already is the standard and I shouldn't settle for a phone that has less?
I know it is a very general question, but I hope I've given enough information for a good answer. :good:
P.s.: I think this question should have been posted in Q&A section.
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If it does, my appologies, and I would not mind anyone moving it.
Thanks for your opinion! It keeps the Mate 7 at the top of my list atm
Yeah you should def go for the mate 7, its a good phone and i have my eyes on it also
Hi guys,
I sold my Zenfone 6 (6GB of RAM) and want to buy Poco F2 Pro. Is 6GB of RAM enough for MIUI?
Zenfone 6 was ok with 6GB of ram but their ROM is much more closer to stock Android.
I could buy version with 8GB of RAM for 55 euros extra. What do you think?
Thank you very much!
Evzzza said:
Hi guys,
I sold my Zenfone 6 (6GB of RAM) and want to buy Poco F2 Pro. Is 6GB of RAM enough for MIUI?
Zenfone 6 was ok with 6GB of ram but their ROM is much more closer to stock Android.
I could buy version with 8GB of RAM for 55 euros extra. What do you think?
Thank you very much!
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I game a lot and multitask....i ha e yet to experience any issue with 6gh...but if i could come back i would buy the 8gb..just for the sake to have more...in real life you will not need it... But for future...8gb will be safe. Depends how long time you wanna keep it...6-12months? 6gb will defo do.
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I game a lot and multitask....i ha e yet to experience any issue with 6gh...but if i could come back i would buy the 8gb..just for the sake to have more...in real life you will not need it... But for future...8gb will be safe. Depends how long time you wanna keep it...6-12months? 6gb will defo do.
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Thank you. Yes I Had Zenfone 6 for 8 months, before that I had XZ2 for 12 months so i am probably shortening the period The thing is I used to edit 4K edit video on Zenfone 6 in VLLO app and it worked just so so. So im a bit afraid 6gb would not have to be enough with next version of MIUI or VLLO app.
Even 4 GB is fine. I don't get why smartphones need so much RAM since most people don't use them for heavy multitasking
chemha said:
Even 4 GB is fine. I don't get why smartphones need so much RAM since most people don't use them for heavy multitasking
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4GB for 4K video editing? Really?
I should probably change the title, sorry
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4GB for 4K video editing? Really?
I should probably change the title, sorry
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Oh now I understand. I can't really answer that question. I would say the more you have, the better. But I 'd rather use a PC for video editting.
Evzzza said:
Hi guys,
I sold my Zenfone 6 (6GB of RAM) and want to buy Poco F2 Pro. Is 6GB of RAM enough for MIUI?
Zenfone 6 was ok with 6GB of ram but their ROM is much more closer to stock Android.
I could buy version with 8GB of RAM for 55 euros extra. What do you think?
Thank you very much!
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Thank you. Yes I Had Zenfone 6 for 8 months, before that I had XZ2 for 12 months so i am probably shortening the period The thing is I used to edit 4K edit video on Zenfone 6 in VLLO app and it worked just so so. So im a bit afraid 6gb would not have to be enough with next version of MIUI or VLLO app.
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Look .... You will have no issues with 6gb and 865.... But again.. if you have spare 55e spend it on 8gb ram...
I repeat... If i could turn back i would buy 8gb... 55e is nothing...and then yku have piece of mind that you have the best possible option...and 128gb is not enough.. 8gb 256 is way to go for 55e....if you can afford it
@Evzzza
Hey
6GB is LPDDR4X RAM
8GB is LPDDR5
antutu 568976 and 589986 respectively
But please guys, consider keeping your phones longer... your kids will thank you later! (and you could even get a PC and a screen with your saved money, cause editing 4k vidz on a 6,6" 1080p screen... )
Cheers!
RAM doesn't affect performance.
Be 100℅ sure of that. Android ram management is absolutely not like windows OS for example.
On android the os targets the ram needs at what u're doin' actually unlike windows which provides full ressources to all the programs u're running to.
The SoC is the mandatory key. And damn u'll got a 865 !! Even with 4gb of ram 4k editing could be possible no doubts :laugh:
Whatever variant u pick u'll never run out
Please, it's NOT the same type of RAM.
It should affect performance (not in a HUGE way indeed), hence the different benchmark score.
("The SoC" 865, you probably mean the CPU?)
LaMarMôt said:
Please, it's NOT the same type of RAM.
It should affect performance (not in a HUGE way indeed), hence the different benchmark score.
("The SoC" 865, you probably mean the CPU?)
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Substantially the same. Don't fool us bro with benchmarks from kimovil xD !
For SoC read Wikipedia :good:
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Substantially the same. Don't fool us bro with benchmarks from kimovil xD !
For SoC read Wikipedia :good:
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i don't even know why i'm responding, but hey...
why would you think i wanna FOOL you, BRO?
the cpu is part of the soc, SO is the ram... even on wikipedia you might get that concept....
the benchmarks are from Antutu, as quoted... get both phones and run your owns if you fancy it
plus, as you know, it is NOT the same type of memory.
AGAIN, the difference is certainly imperceptible, but there IS one.
Does it worth the extra bucks? THAT would be the question... @Evzzza keep in mind you double the storage as well
@kkosnuss, if we follow you, all things being equal, an android system with 2GB of RAM and the same config with 12GB of RAM will deliver the same performances?
...get yourself a break ^^
Cheers!
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i don't even know why i'm responding, but hey...
why would you think i wanna FOOL you, BRO?
the cpu is part of the soc, SO is the ram... even on wikipedia you might get that concept....
the benchmarks are from Antutu, as quoted... get both phones and run your owns if you fancy it
plus, as you know, it is NOT the same type of memory.
AGAIN, the difference is certainly imperceptible, but there IS one.
Does it worth the extra bucks? THAT would be the question... @Evzzza keep in mind you double the storage as well
@kkosnuss, if we follow you, all things being equal, an android system with 2GB of RAM and the same config with 12GB of RAM will deliver the same performances?
...get yourself a break ^^
Cheers!
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What the hell Never said such.
And yep I got both pocos at home in their respectives configurations. I've been lazy in doin' benchmarks. One 8/256 is running stock the other 6/128 crdroid
I had a Xiaomi phone until recently with 6gb of ram. After installing all the apps and games (many) I had 3 gb of ram available. Now I have this OnePlus 9 with 12 GB but I still have only a little more than 3 GB available.
It is normal?.
How much memory have free in their phones now those with 12 gb of ram.
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I have an 8gb OP9. I have 2.8gb free. I think it depends what apps you have installed and running. Also, oos may be heavier on resources than miui.
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I have an 8gb OP9. I have 2.8gb free. I think it depends what apps you have installed and running. Also, oos may be heavier on resources than miui.
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I'm realizing that oos is heavier than Miui
i got the 12GB, while playing PuBG Mobile, im at 5.9GB used and 6 free
Free ram is unused ram.
In best case it is almost fully used.
If anything need ram, something else will be kicked out of ram.
Better multitasking.....
I'm gonna be polite, but that is completely wrong. I understand where you would think that but. Read-ahead only uses so much cache/ram. And if it's all used up then its actually got more work to do as far as "searching for data" and you want free ram to be able to provide more space in order to do so or be available to be used if needed.
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i got the 12GB, while playing PuBG Mobile, im at 5.9GB used and 6 free
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Partigiano0105 said:
I had a Xiaomi phone until recently with 6gb of ram. After installing all the apps and games (many) I had 3 gb of ram available. Now I have this OnePlus 9 with 12 GB but I still have only a little more than 3 GB available.
It is normal?.
How much memory have free in their phones now those with 12 gb of ram.
I'm using google translator. I hope the query is understood. Thanks
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The amount of "Free RAM" is not the same as "Available RAM"
OOS keeps a lot of things that you don't even use cached in your RAM so when you do need them it can bring those up really fast. It does it because you have a lot of RAM to spare. And when you need more for a game it will automatically release that cached data. So although it says there's 3 GB free RAM, your available RAM is more likely around 7 or 8 GB. Don't try to worry about it because the operating system knows how to handle things for you so it feels fast.
Hope that helped.