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Hi Folks,
I visited the fair today with my boy which arrives in the city once a year.
My boy was on the rides and I tried getting a few photos of him with my 20mp Sony Xperia Z3....
By the time the photo was taken, my boy had already gone by....
The camera is soooooooooo disappointing, but has so much potential to be good.
Has anybody discovered a decent camera app yet, that has no shutter lag and one that makes full use of the camera?
If I don't find something by November, I'm going for the Nexus 6 :silly:
@rseHoyle said:
Hi Folks,
I visited the fair today with my boy which arrives in the city once a year.
My boy was on the rides and I tried getting a few photos of him with my 20mp Sony Xperia Z3....
By the time the photo was taken, my boy had already gone by....
The camera is soooooooooo disappointing, but has so much potential to be good.
Has anybody discovered a decent camera app yet, that has no shutter lag and one that makes full use of the camera?
If I don't find something by November, I'm going for the Nexus 6 :silly:
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Haven't tried a different app yet, but I may have something else for you. It's the autofocus that delays the photo.
1. Use the camera button
-push it down slightly, it should focus
-once it has found the focus, just keep holding it slightly
push the button completely if you want to take the photo, it should be without a delay now.
You can also use a different type of autofocus... Have to try the different modes for myself.
Also use manual mode, depending on the light conditions and the movement, you want a high shutter speed and if needed a higher iso, which gives you a sharper image while moving.
Damn, someone should write a guide for the camera
Thanks for this info. I'll give it a go
I'm not sure the camera is quick enough to capture moving stuff. I have tried a lot of modes and can't seem to sort it.
With an awful flash too, in sub par lighting, like parties, this is a recipe for absolute disaster. Can't believe Sony didn't sort out the camera flash.
Jonathan-H said:
I'm not sure the camera is quick enough to capture moving stuff. I have tried a lot of modes and can't seem to sort it.
With an awful flash too, in sub par lighting, like parties, this is a recipe for absolute disaster. Can't believe Sony didn't sort out the camera flash.
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Sony has the ability to film and during film to make pictures. I do that for fast moving pictures, like filming friends that pass by during marathon's. You can then decide to keep the film and the pictures. If you only want pictures, delete the film afterwards. This way you can start filming in advance and you are sure you are not too late and you have the risk your camera is not ready yet.
Jonathan-H said:
I'm not sure the camera is quick enough to capture moving stuff. I have tried a lot of modes and can't seem to sort it.
With an awful flash too, in sub par lighting, like parties, this is a recipe for absolute disaster. Can't believe Sony didn't sort out the camera flash.
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I haven't tried it yet, but have you tried the Timeshift burst? I think this is what we should use when trying to capture moving objects.
Yep, that is even better than my idea!
As a general rule, I only use auto on any camera when there is no more than one thing away from perfect conditions:
If it's motion but in great lighting, auto is ok.
If it's dark but the subject is still, auto is ok.
If it's a bit dark AND there is motion, you are gonna need to set up some manual settings or a mode like burst to get a good result. That said, as above, focussing first is essential for moving objects. Find something that is at the same distance as the subject you want, half hold the button to get the focus point, then hold it until the subject comes into frame, then depress fully. This, combined with burst, is the best way for fast movement.
Ok, I was at a scary halloween function last night, and by the time I took photos of scary subjects, they'd gone...
There's no excuse for this camera, it's a mess...
I have a Fuji XT1 camera and I know how photography works, apparently the Xperia Z3 has 20 mega pixels - Maybe it does, but only if you want a grainy shot....It's shocking!
KurtHoyle said:
Ok, I was at a scary halloween function last night, and by the time I took photos of scary subjects, they'd gone...
There's no excuse for this camera, it's a mess...
I have a Fuji XT1 camera and I know how photography works, apparently the Xperia Z3 has 20 mega pixels - Maybe it does, but only if you want a grainy shot....It's shocking!
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How can you say you understand photography when all you point to is the megapixel count? There is so much more to a good photo than resolution.
The reason I point to the 20 mega pixel is because the photos taken with this camera should be of a good enough standard to print out at a size of 18" x 12" however, the photos look grainy on screen so I'd hate to see how crap they look any bigger.
The camera is shocking, the 4k videos are too so please dont try to defend it. Its very poor!
A Better Camera is a good alternative.
Update [3/7] I uploaded day and night samples using manual mode, ISO 100 and let the phone do the rest as requested. The pictures are in my Google Drive link below for everyone to download the full sized images since they get compressed on the forum.
Update [2/29] All pictures taken were either using Auto mode, HDR+ unless otherwise noted. I'm using a Manfrotto tripod from my DSLR for the night photos to keep the photos consistent. I took 5-10 photos for each scene and picked the best one from each phone before posting them here. I will provide a link to the full image located below so they can be viewed without the possibility of being downsized.
I did not edit any of the pictures, and both were taken with a 4:3 12MP setup for maximum resolution. I will add more photos throughout the next couple of days and post my comments as I go.
[2/29]: The 6P clearly is taking significantly better pictures so far. The S7E's photos look washed out despite having a 'better' sensor, so I hope Samsung addresses this issue promptly.
I stopped into my local Bestbuy and had a look at the S7E. I ordered a silver one for reference. I took some pictures side by side with the S7E and my 6P to see how the camera stacks up. I'm honestly surprised because I thought the 6P took better pictures, but this is only one scenario. I'll do a full write up when my S7E comes along with night photos and the works. Have a look at the few samples below and let me know what you think.
Off topic: let's try to keep things relatively on topic, no bashing or dumb arguing please. I am a Nexus fan, but I'm always open to trying new things. With that statement in mind let's have a nice discussion
Here's a link to all of the pictures on my Google drive (for the original pictures that I removed)
Here's a link to all of the pictures on my Google drive
Here is the link to the second set of photos
Here are the new pictures for the official review:
Official Comparison photos link
This 1 picture is the ONLY one that I took using a tripod
Picture #1
S7E
Nexus 6P
Picture #2
S7E
Nexus 6P
Picture #3
S7E
Nexus 6P
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S7E
Nexus 6P
Picture #5
S7E
Nexus 6P
Picture #6
S7E
Nexus 6P
Picture #7
S7E
Nexus 6P
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S7E
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S7E
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Picture #10
S7E
Nexus 6P
Picture #11
S7E
Nexus 6P
I wanted to share my impressions of the S7E after using it for a day of pictures. The S7E takes nice pictures when there is ample light, but the post processing usually causes the pictures to seem overexposed. The HDR mode also doesn't seem to make a big difference during normal shooting like it should (aka it doesn't bring out the dark areas/shadows well). I like how fast it focuses despite the often washed out colors it produces. I want to like the camera, but it's hard to really enjoy using it when the pictures are ok not great. The camera is still good by all means, yet it falls short most of the time compared to the 6P. I took a lot of pictures in less than ideal lighting while it was cold out this morning. The S7E should have an advantage because the camera has OIS, but the 6P still consistently produced better pictures. If Samsung doesn't address the short comings of the camera (which they are promoting heavily), then that might be a deal breaker for some people. I will post another update with more pictures after I use it some more later this week.
HDR Test: Here are some pictures that were requested with and without HDR and NO tripod.
HDR Test
HDR Test_1
S7E HDR
S7E NO HDR
Nexus 6P HDR
Nexus 6P NO HDR
HDR Test_2
S7E HDR
S7E NO HDR
Nexus 6P HDR
Nexus 6P NO HDR
[3/5] Update: Here are some pictures from Pittsburgh today including some panoramas. As per usual I also uploaded the images to the drive link above along with 2 videos (1 for each phone panning so you can see the difference OIS makes). Lastly, there are pictures I took tonight with the S7E using Auto, HDR, and Manual for the same scene.
Note: Please keep the discussion professional before mods have to clean up the comments.
Panorama
S7E Pano 1
S7E Pano 2
Nexus 6P Pano 1
Nexus 6P Pano 2
City
S7E City 1
S7E City 2
Nexus 6P City 1
Nexus 6P City 2
Manual Mode Test S7E:
S7E Auto No HDR
S7E HDR
S7E Manual
While both are excellent it appears the Samsung trumps the Nexus 6p which is not surprising. Text in the SAMSUNG pics are clearer with the exception of the first picture where maybe your hand wobbled , than the Nexus. Pictures seem a bit brighter with the Samsung . Either way I wouldn't be unhappy with either one of them as I do own nexus the Nexus and praise its camera. Just an FYI, many have determined if you upload a picture directly into XDA the quality suffers. Far better to use a third party app with a link.
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markwebb said:
While both are excellent it appears the Samsung trumps the Nexus 6p which is not surprising. Text in the SAMSUNG pics are clearer with the exception of the first picture where maybe your hand wobbled , than the Nexus. Pictures seem a bit brighter with the Samsung . Either way I wouldn't be unhappy with either one of them as I do own nexus the Nexus and praise its camera. Just an FYI, many have determined if you upload a picture directly into XDA the quality suffers. Far better to use a third party app with a link.
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I'll happily link the images via Google drive for everyone to see. My hand was stable while taking the pictures and I took 5-6 of each scene and picked the best for each phone to upload. Personally the Samsung took pictures that were brighter but they look less natural. Look at the text on the Samsung display for example it's more clear and not washed out on the 6P's picture. I think the S7E has a lot of potential and I will gladly take tons of pictures when I get it in the coming weeks. I'll add them drive link to the OP so check back in about 5 min for it.
Edit: it's added to the OP
I like the Nexus 6P pictures. Like the OP said, they look more natural.
dave2metz said:
I like the Nexus 6P pictures. Like the OP said, they look more natural.
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The S7E takes HDR+ photos instantly which is nice, but the post processing is a little over the top. I took at least 200 pictures messing around and the 6P ones still look more natural. I'm not saying that's good or bad, but it's am observation. I bought the S7E for the camera and waterproofing as a backup phone. I expected the camera to be a little better, but I'll wait until I have my unit in hand to make a final decision about it.
For what it's worth, I personally think the S7 took better pictures than the 6p - if you look specifically at the shots of the balloons and the one of the store - in both, the 6p is darker - while the S7 looks more natually light - both are excellent but IMHO the S7 looks better.
I have a 6p - and I love it - personally I always thought my Note 5 took better photos - and I was dissapointed that the S7 went down in size from 16mb on the note to 12mb on the S7 - but that pixel thing (double pixels) that samsung added to the S7 may actually make it better. Can't wait to get my hands on it...
Interesting comparison.
Few observations:
- Looks like the white balance/colors look a bit more vibrant on the S7E (but perhaps not as real to life?)
- Maybe this is due to F1.7, but it seems that anything generating light seems to be blown out on the S7E (ie look at the ceiling lights, and lit up signs)
- The S7E pics look a bit blurry/not focus in a lot of the pictures, particularly in the background. Wonder why this is
I love both Nexus and Samsung devices so I find this comparison interesting, thanks OP. It's just odd because when I owned a 6p, I compared it against the S6 Edge and found the latter to take better pics.
Best buys are highly lit. Nothing looks natural there. S7 pic looked much more accurate in my opinion. The balloon pic is no contest.
mocsab said:
For what it's worth, I personally think the S7 took better pictures than the 6p - if you look specifically at the shots of the balloons and the one of the store - in both, the 6p is darker - while the S7 looks more natually light - both are excellent but IMHO the S7 looks better.
I have a 6p - and I love it - personally I always thought my Note 5 took better photos - and I was dissapointed that the S7 went down in size from 16mb on the note to 12mb on the S7 - but that pixel thing (double pixels) that samsung added to the S7 may actually make it better. Can't wait to get my hands on it...
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That's how the S7E would focus. I didn't enable touch to focus for to so I let the phone determine what to focus on and took the pictures. The 'double pixels' only refer to the focusing pixels. The 6P has a laser to assist with focusing, so both do a good job at acquiring a fast target. I noticed the S7E wouldn't focus when I put my finger within a inch or so of the sensor and the same is true of the 6P. I have a DSLR, so I never expect a phone to come close to that quality, depth of field etc.
TL,DR the double pixels are only there to focus and the 6P has bigger individual pixels than the S7. Check the IMX377 zenzor that's in the 6P vs the IMX260
shadow82x said:
Interesting comparison.
Few observations:
- Looks like the white balance/colors look a bit more vibrant on the S7E (but perhaps not as real to life?)
- Maybe this is due to F1.7, but it seems that anything generating light seems to be blown out on the S7E (ie look at the ceiling lights, and lit up signs)
- The S7E pics look a bit blurry/not focus in a lot of the pictures, particularly in the background. Wonder why this is
I love both Nexus and Samsung devices so I find this comparison interesting, thanks OP. It's just odd because when I owned a 6p, I compared it against the S6 Edge and found the latter to take better pics.
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It's possible the f1.7 takes in more light despite its smaller actual pixel size vs the IMX377. A lot of the issues could be post processing which Google doesn't really rely upon as much as other OEMs. The 6P has a great camera and I'm sure the S7E will too when I get it to really see how the performance is. I have no doubt that both phones will perform well, yet I'm left wondering about how the IMX260 will be at night conapred to the IMX377 (phones aside).
I will try to be as unbiased as I can be when responding. I've owned tons of phones (S3, Note 3, G3, S5, Moto X 2nd gen, Nexus 6, Zenphone 2, Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P etc...), so I've seen all kinds of cameras. The S6/S6E/Note 5 did win when taking videos (6P sucks at die to only having EIS), and they day pxitures are great/on par with the 6P if not better on occasion. It was for a Nexus to take good pictures in general before this generation.
Thank you for the test.
It is however the AF, noise, dynamic range and colour accuracy under not-so-ideal lighting conditions that really shows if there is a big difference between the two.
ISO 1600, very low light, no flash, 1/10-1/30s shutter time.
If anybody can post such comparisons, make my day
Here's an ISO 1250 no-flash shot from GSM Arena test for S7:
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/reviews/16/mwc2016-samsung/s7-edge-day/camera/gsmarena_040.jpg
Not good for s7...
Canard caché said:
Not good for s7...
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What isn't? The S7 clearly has a fantastic camera, your post makes zero sense.
I feel the exposure is too much for S7 camera? Do we need to turn down the exposure since it has a f1.7???
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What isn't? The S7 clearly has a fantastic camera, your post makes zero sense.
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sorry but it's not what i see in this photos.
I see no gap of qualitiy (against a 6p Oo) and even yellow filter, too much deformation. There is clearly a problem... perhaps jpeg threatment?
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sorry but it's not what i see in this photos.
I see no gap of qualitiy (against a 6p Oo) and even yellow filter, too much deformation. There is clearly a problem... perhaps jpeg threatment?
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s7_edge_mwc_2016-review-1400.php
I'm clearly reading the photos different than you in that case. But instead of making a rash judgement on photos taken in a bright shop floor on an S7 with an unknown and no doubt pre-release firmware on it, check the photos out in that link, particularly those in low light. It's clearly a fantastic camera.
Canard caché said:
sorry but it's not what i see in this photos.
I see no gap of qualitiy (against a 6p Oo) and even yellow filter, too much deformation. There is clearly a problem... perhaps jpeg threatment?
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If you look at the EXIF data for the pictures they both had similar ISO values for the images. This test was by no means scientific, but I think it gives people a good general idea of what to expect. I'm not sure if the software on it is the final build, but it did have the February security patch. The S7E did seem a little noisier around and overexposed in some areas unfortunately. As I mentioned before both were on auto mode and I didn't tap to focus on either phone. I'll wait until I get my phone to do a real full comparison and post it here. I enjoy taking pictures, and would like to see how the S7E performs with the lens kit too. It was nice how the S7E took a HDR+ picture without the ~>1 second it takes the 6P when I was messing with it. There is a manual "pro" mode in the app which could assist with taking better pictures, but it should still capture good images using auto.
The white balance is different, and it can be altered afterwards to suit taste. The S7 pictures look cooler, Nikon-like, while the 6P pictures look warmer, Canon-like. Looking at the pixel level, the Samsung seems to have less noise. And also looking at the ceilings, the Samsung shows the ceiling close to its real color while the 6P shows it in a brownish color. I also wonder what color did the watch holder LED from the picture really has. Is it blue (like the Samsung shows) or white (like the 6P shows) ?
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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s7_edge_mwc_2016-review-1400.php
I'm clearly reading the photos different than you in that case. But instead of making a rash judgement on photos taken in a bright shop floor on an S7 with an unknown and no doubt pre-release firmware on it, check the photos out in that link, particularly those in low light. It's clearly a fantastic camera.
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I didnt make rash judgement and everybody know what i judged => the pics here.
Yeah we ll see when a true test comparison goes out. BUT for now, it's not good at all (IN THIS PICS)
And the gsmarena article=> really im not impressed at all. I have the same effect with my s6 and post threatments...
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Pilz said:
If you look at the EXIF data for the pictures they both had similar ISO values for the images. This test was by no means scientific, but I think it gives people a good general idea of what to expect. I'm not sure if the software on it is the final build, but it did have the February security patch. The S7E did seem a little noisier around and overexposed in some areas unfortunately. As I mentioned before both were on auto mode and I didn't tap to focus on either phone. I'll wait until I get my phone to do a real full comparison and post it here. I enjoy taking pictures, and would like to see how the S7E performs with the lens kit too. It was nice how the S7E took a HDR+ picture without the ~>1 second it takes the 6P when I was messing with it. There is a manual "pro" mode in the app which could assist with taking better pictures, but it should still capture good images using auto.
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indeed we'll see. I just tell what i'm seeing... that's all (im concerned for my preorder)
Canard caché said:
I didnt make rash judgement and everybody know what i judged => the pics here.
Yeah we ll see when a true test comparison goes out. BUT for now, it's not good at all (IN THIS PICS)
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And in my view claiming the S7 photos in this thread are "not good at all" is ridiculous. You can argue the 6P photos are better, but that doesn't equate to the same thing.
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And in my view claiming the S7 photos in this thread are "not good at all" is ridiculous. You can argue the 6P photos are better, but that doesn't equate to the same thing.
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hu so there are things we can say but other we can't?
Hi gang,
Took the beast out for some shooting today.
What I love:
The camera software. All the settings, pro-mode, effects and stuff are really nice.
Camera is very fast. Very unlike some reviews claiming this is the slowest camera out there.
What I don't like:
Pic sharpness. Most pics come out with some water paint effect. Backgrounds, distance shots all come out washed. Macro shots are sort of OK but zooming in, washed out to some extend.
So I played around with various settings, differed sizes, all the same free post-processing effects.
I compared with similar shots I look last week with the old LG G4. Well, they are 200% better. Lets hope this is a processing issue that will be fixed with the next update.
What are your experiences?
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blackspp said:
Hi gang,
Took the beast out for some shooting today.
What I love:
The camera software. All the settings, pro-mode, effects and stuff are really nice.
Camera is very fast. Very unlike some reviews claiming this is the slowest camera out there.
What I don't like:
Pic sharpness. Most pics come out with some water paint effect. Backgrounds, distance shots all come out washed. Macro shots are sort of OK but zooming in, washed out to some extend.
So I played around with various settings, differed sizes, all the same free post-processing effects.
I compared with similar shots I look last week with the old LG G4. Well, they are 200% better. Lets hope this is a processing issue that will be fixed with the next update.
What are your experiences?
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Don`t forget we are running pre-release software, an update to smooth things up will come soon. Besides that i don`t recognise your issues on my device so far.
I am on B110. Is this a pre-release software?
I have a major complain regarding camera in video. I think is related to the stabilization. Almost all my video in FHD looks like waves. The image is very shaky. This is my second device as the first one was replaced. Anyone else observed this?
I really hope can be solved in an update.
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Don`t forget we are running pre-release software, an update to smooth things up will come soon. Besides that i don`t recognise your issues on my device so far.
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It's not super bad, some shots are OK but comparing apples with apples, the M9 is not on par with other recent top brand products.
cristy78 said:
I am on B110. Is this a pre-release software?
I have a major complain regarding camera in video. I think is related to the stabilization. Almost all my video in FHD looks like waves. The image is very shaky. This is my second device as the first one was replaced. Anyone else observed this?
I really hope can be solved in an update.
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Just tested it to see if it happens here too. Indeed when filming the image stutters on the screen (well, it's night here so not ideal conditions) but when playing it it looks nice, no shakes at all. That was at 1080p, 60fps. At 1080p, 30fps it looks smooth on screen and also when playing it.
Anyone noticed that the hdr mode is always on in bright light?
You will get the same picture with or without hdr, and that's something not good at all.
Is there a setting that turn hdr off other than using pro mode?
Just upgraded today to b126 and looks promising just checked it's 6x zoom and it is great
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ROIDjoy said:
Just upgraded today to b126 and looks promising just checked it's 6x zoom and it is great
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So, i have had mate 9 for 2 weeks now, not impressed, when i compare it to the galaxy s7 edge, it cannot compete, the galaxy s7 edge wins hands down...., also, the galaxy s8 looks to be worth waiting for, march/april release will see a great phone after their note phones needed washing out with water,lol.
Also, i wanted to ask you, i have the MHA-L00 china version and my Hi voice app only works in chinese, as does the music app, can you post and tell me if your international MHA-L29 has hi voice ((assistant app) and music app in english, if it does..., could i ask that you post the apk install files for these apps in english. As far as i am aware, Hi voice app is embedded into the system so may not be possible.
If possible, i wanted instructions to flash the international rom onto the chinese phone?
blackspp said:
Hi gang,
Took the beast out for some shooting today.
What I love:
The camera software. All the settings, pro-mode, effects and stuff are really nice.
Camera is very fast. Very unlike some reviews claiming this is the slowest camera out there.
What I don't like:
Pic sharpness. Most pics come out with some water paint effect. Backgrounds, distance shots all come out washed. Macro shots are sort of OK but zooming in, washed out to some extend.
So I played around with various settings, differed sizes, all the same free post-processing effects.
I compared with similar shots I look last week with the old LG G4. Well, they are 200% better. Lets hope this is a processing issue that will be fixed with the next update.
What are your experiences?
.
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Having issues with the camera taking multiple pictures when only one is wanted. Just updated firmware to c567b183
blackspp said:
Hi gang,
What I don't like:
Pic sharpness. Most pics come out with some water paint effect. Backgrounds, distance shots all come out washed. Macro shots are sort of OK but zooming in, washed out to some extend.
So I played around with various settings, differed sizes, all the same free post-processing effects.
I compared with similar shots I look last week with the old LG G4. Well, they are 200% better. Lets hope this is a processing issue that will be fixed with the next update.
What are your experiences?
.
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Well, I couldn't agree more still having an old good lg g3 by the hand for comparisons makes me angry and sad about mate9's picture quality... seriously thinking about selling the-brand-new-two-months-old phone and returning to LG RAW mode looks like the only hope, combined with snapseed it gives somehow sharper and nicer images.... my guess is that default JPG postprocessing seriously sucks hopefully huawei will fix it in some future updates...
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Well, I couldn't agree more still having an old good lg g3 by the hand for comparisons makes me angry and sad about mate9's picture quality... seriously thinking about selling the-brand-new-two-months-old phone and returning to LG RAW mode looks like the only hope, combined with snapseed it gives somehow sharper and nicer images.... my guess is that default JPG postprocessing seriously sucks hopefully huawei will fix it in some future updates...
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Poat up some comparison photos please.
And what, specifically, is bothering you about the Mate 9 photos ?
mcekic said:
Well, I couldn't agree more still having an old good lg g3 by the hand for comparisons makes me angry and sad about mate9's picture quality... seriously thinking about selling the-brand-new-two-months-old phone and returning to LG RAW mode looks like the only hope, combined with snapseed it gives somehow sharper and nicer images.... my guess is that default JPG postprocessing seriously sucks hopefully huawei will fix it in some future updates...
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I think you're kidding right? There is no way a G3 will come close.
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Well, the first pic is from the G3, full picture quality, automode, no tweaking
Second pic is from Mate 9 full picture quality, automode, no tweaking.
The V10.... Is resting in peace . Will be getting a MoBo soon from aliexpress and reviving it though.
EDIT: There are probably dozens of reviews/comparisons, but here are two just from today that are also harsh: Krystal Key and PocketNow. And UrAverageConsumer's wife's comments here and here "it does look a little washed out...it is a little soft...I'm not a fan of it...it's good enough..."
The consensus seems to be that the front camera is "soft" (aka it looks permanently out of focus or blurry), the rear cam consistently blows out highlights with or without HDR, and video is wobbly and distorted despite ois AND eis. To be clear (pun intended) this is not a problem with the sensors, but with Samsung's processing. If Google's Camera app didn't disable HDR+ on non-Nexus devices then the S8 it would very likely take the best pictures of any smartphone ever.
Here are my samples shot with my S8 with the better Sony sensors, and a Nexus 6P from 18 months ago. For maximum quality from the S8, HDR is enabled and beauty disabled. 6P is in auto mode. Be sure to right click on the side-by-side compilation images and open in a new tab to see them at full size, where the detail quality—rather than just the light/color quality—is most apparent.
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Rear Cam Side-by-Side 2/2 - VIEW AT 100%
Full Res: N6P — GS8
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Front Cam Set 1/5: N6P — GS8
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Front Cam Set 2/5: N6P — GS8
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Front Cam Set 3/5: N6P — GS8
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Front Cam Set 4/5: N6P — GS8
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Front Cam Set 5/5: N6P — GS8
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BONUS - 2MP tablet front cam with no HDR from 2015
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SUPER BONUS - Mystery camera! Can you guess?
My first impression of the camera coming from a S6, is that it sucks, yes it's better in low light, but if there is decent to good light it is much worse, all my pictures look muddy where the S6 taken at its side looks sharp. really ruins the phone for me!
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All in the interest of honesty (it's OK to be honest!)
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Good lord. GSMArena, AnandTech, and Notebookcheck do exhaustive subjective reviews. GSMArena's and Notebookcheck's camera evaluations are linked below. Spoiler alert: they don't agree with your objective testing of your sister's phone.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s8-review-1603p9.php
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsung-Galaxy-S8-Plus-SM-G955F-Smartphone-Review.213438.0.html
Samsung frontcams are always behind the competition. Not sure why. Agreed with OP's honest review.
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Good lord. GSMArena, AnandTech, and Notebookcheck do exhaustive subjective reviews. GSMArena's and Notebookcheck's camera evaluations are linked below. Spoiler alert: they don't agree with your objective testing of your sister's phone.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s8-review-1603p9.php
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsung-Galaxy-S8-Plus-SM-G955F-Smartphone-Review.213438.0.html
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I also included nearly 30 minutes of reviews of the camera by PocketNow and Krystal Key, but there are likely dozens of reviews by now showing the same thing.
The front cam looks like it's always out of focus—what reviewers universally are calling "soft". The rear cam consistently blows out the highlights even with HDR on. Video is wobbly and distorted despite having OIS AND EIS. In all cases, this is due to Samsung's processing because devices with inferior sensors from Google or Apple don't have these problems.
Something here in which i agree is that over-exposing. The Galaxy S8 loves doing this in certain situations where it shouldn't be doing but most of all is the auto-focus feature for me. Auto-Focus can be a mess when it wants too, simple macros where it should focus with ease it can't do that. I took my S6 and i found that in certain situations it was able to get a faster better macro with one tap compared to the S8. I felt that this one is a bit sloppy, and requires a lot of fiddling to get a good focus point. But don't get me wrong, whenever the phone is able to focus and does a good job in auto mode the photos look amazing. Overall my only complaint is the auto-focus on close-up shots and some over exposing. I really think these can be tweaked with a software update but honestly this phone should have had a completely new rear camera in the first place without being forced to wait for the new Note. I still believe this phone was a bit rushed, it looks stunning and awesome performance but man those software tweaks and scrolling bugs, and stutters and red screens could have been avoided. Oh yes.. let's not forget that Image Stabilization , wobbly videos and front face focus as mentioned above, i think these sometimes do a mess of a job. Real let down from the camera side of things for me.
I didn't do detailed comparison but for rear camera, which is the one i care the most, my S8+ seems similar and even slightly better than my Note 7.
Consumer Reports did more detailed comparison, they think the s8 has the best 12MP camera there is. And according this photo, in low light it's indeed a lot better than the s7.
https://youtu.be/3MmjHMWwtPU
So no, the s8 rear camera is NOT The Worst On A Flagship Phone In Years
My short time with the camera is the opposite. S8 front is marginally better than the 6p. Will do more testing.
No issues, amazing camera. Coming from a Pixel, pixel does look nicer but not by far.
When someone is doing pixel peeping, i am sure you can find flaws about every cameras out there. I look at overall quality and usability such as speed of launch and speed of taking the actual picture. After all phone pictures are all about capturing the moment.
Turn off one of the stabilizations. They dont both need to be on. Also, every samsung has let you adjust the exposure level..
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The pictures are a lot better than the pictures the HTC M8 took.
Darkestred said:
My short time with the camera is the opposite. S8 front is marginally better than the 6p. Will do more testing.
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Any examples? I posted several, and I've not come across a single instance where the S8 is superior.
I just bought this phone for $800 and have the Nexus 6P sitting right next to me. Money isn't an issue. I don't make income from hyping the S8 or from my brand. I have no interest in suggesting the S8 camera is any better or worse than it is. Would be really interested to see you post actual selfies like I did to support your claim that, despite reviews and my 10 pictures posted, the S8 takes superior front cam pictures.
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My first impression of the camera coming from a S6, is that it sucks, yes it's better in low light, but if there is decent to good light it is much worse, all my pictures look muddy where the S6 taken at its side looks sharp. really ruins the phone for me!
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Whoa, no way the s6 takes better pictures. I just did my own comparison and ask the s6 photos are so dark and fuzzy
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Any examples? I posted several, and I've not come across a single instance where the S8 is superior.
I just bought this phone for $800 and have the Nexus 6P sitting right next to me. Money isn't an issue. I don't make income from hyping the S8 or from my brand. I have no interest in suggesting the S8 camera is any better or worse than it is. Would be really interested to see you post actual selfies like I did to support your claim that, despite reviews and my 10 pictures posted, the S8 takes superior front cam pictures.
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I never said anything about that. I just said in my use i feel its better. Here are 2 sample pics i did. I dont have any fancy setup so its all manual and i realize my pictures are not lined up but i got lazy. I feel the color in the s8 is way nicer and while it does get soft or blend in details like my scruff - i still think overall it does a nicer shot. Its not always a perfect shot. out of the 6 i took one came out blurry.
If my pictures aren't perfect enough - i really do not care. Take it for what its worth.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3F4QJb82X1ReV9mVUMzRzJTdmc
I too made a thread because I noticed how soft this front camera is. I'm super disappointed.
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I appreciate the work you did, but can you provide the original pics with EXIF data included?
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Here is a great review on the S8 camera. https://youtu.be/NAEVPxQ4MCw
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Looking at the pics it does look like the S8 shots are worse(maybe not) / different from other phones. In all of these reviews the one thing no one has mentioned is that smartphone cameras are largely software dependent. While the S8 is on software that has come right out of the box, 6p as used here has had a whole year's worth of updates some of which definitely did bring updates to the camera software. I still love the S8 and believe that future software updates can and will iron out the issues with the camera. (Just hoping Samsung doesn't drop the ball on the updates front).
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Here is a great review on the S8 camera. https://youtu.be/NAEVPxQ4MCw
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That's the one I linked in the OP...??
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@.psd
I appreciate the work you did, but can you provide the original pics with EXIF data included?
thx
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No because image hosts strip the metadata for user protection (e.g. location data) and it would take too long to do it for each picture the following way (e.g. undelete them from google photos and screencap some of the metadata minus the location, then save each file, then upload it, then link it here):
Here's the data for 2 of them to prove they were shot on the S8:
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The wide angle default camera known as the Ov12a10 from Omnivision is well known and has a spec shet on the web site. See here: http://www.ovt.com/download/sensorpdf/239/OmniVision_OV12A10.pdf
It is interesting that the telephoto (2x) lens on the Mi A1 is nominated as an ov 13880 i, also from OmniVision has no known spec sheet and is not in any of the end of life docs (EOL) on the web site I can find.
One site did come up with a editorial noting the camera but noted it as a 13mp sensor and vastly better frame rates for video than Xaiomi claims. See link below.
https://www.unifore.net/company-hig...-ov13880-and-ov5880-camera-image-sensors.html
I wonder if the Unifore site got things wrong or there is more to this camera than meets the eye.
As a side note, are people aware that to activate the second camera you need to go into options > manual > lens and click on on wide. By clicking on the "1x" symbol on the main screen of the camera app, you are still using the wide angle lens in digital zoom mode.
Wait so it doesn't switch the lenses while you zoom in and out? It's useless :/
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Wait so it doesn't switch the lenses while you zoom in and out? It's useless :/
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I never said that. Reread my post. I said you need to change the lens in manual mode to get optical zoom. Clicking on the 1x button from the main screen only offers digital zoom.
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The wide angle default camera known as the Ov12a10 from Omnivision is well known and has a spec shet on the web site. See here: http://www.ovt.com/download/sensorpdf/239/OmniVision_OV12A10.pdf
It is interesting that the telephoto (2x) lens on the Mi A1 is nominated as an ov 13880 i, also from OmniVision has no known spec sheet and is not in any of the end of life docs (EOL) on the web site I can find.
One site did come up with a editorial noting the camera but noted it as a 13mp sensor and vastly better frame rates for video than Xaiomi claims. See link below.
https://www.unifore.net/company-hig...-ov13880-and-ov5880-camera-image-sensors.html
I wonder if the Unifore site got things wrong or there is more to this camera than meets the eye.
As a side note, are people aware that to active the second camera you need to go into options > manual > lens and click on on wide. By clicking on the "1x" symbol on the main screen of the camera app, you are still using the wide angle lens in digital zoom mode.
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I really didn't know till now, I wonder why they put that option for digital zoom there and not for optical zoom, that's pointless.
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I really didn't know till now, I wonder why they put that option for digital zoom there and not for optical zoom, that's pointless.
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One possible use for it is to assist with checking focus, but other than that I would never use digital zoom.
If someone had a method of linking that 1x option to actually changing to the tele lens, that would be a nice modification.
2x button should change to optical zoom in very bright light only (sunny outside). If you want to force it, you need to use manual mode. I guess it's because tele lens has slower aperture and you have to raise the ISO or slower shutter speed or both to get a picture = grainy blurry photos.
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2x button should change to optical zoom in very bright light only (sunny outside). If you want to force it, you need to use manual mode. I guess it's because tele lens has slower aperture and you have to raise the ISO or slower shutter speed or both to get a picture = grainy blurry photos.
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There isn't a big change in aperture from the wide lens to the tele lens. I do find that the tele lens is softer than the wide on standard focus. But I am still of the initial belief that the auto focus on my phone is off in lower light and possibly in the tele... I have more testing to do as time permits.
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One possible use for it is to assist with checking focus, but other than that I would never use digital zoom.
If someone had a method of linking that 1x option to actually changing to the tele lens, that would be a nice modification.
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You're right but I think no one is actually aware of this I mean even I wasn't until today.
This seems like a reference dual camera setup from OmniVision: http://www.ovt.com/news-events/corporate-releases/omnivision-and-corephotonics-announce-dual-camera-zoom
I think this was the easiest and cheapest solution to add a dual camera setup to a phone since no R&D had to be involved in the build. You can simply buy it and it has ready to go drivers for Android.
This phones works great, battery life is impressive, screen on time is really good (more than 7 hours for me) but the killer feature is the camera, so cheap... I bought this phone because my Galaxy S7 died(almost took fire on USB port) and needed a phone really quick.. but, honestly the camera is crap. I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
Does anyone knows if using the Google camera api improves the quality?
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This phones works great, battery life is impressive, screen on time is really good (more than 7 hours for me) but the killer feature is the camera, so cheap... I bought this phone because my Galaxy S7 died(almost took fire on USB port) and needed a phone really quick.. but, honestly the camera is crap. I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
Does anyone knows if using the Google camera api improves the quality?
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Yes it does
Socotroco said:
This phones works great, battery life is impressive, screen on time is really good (more than 7 hours for me) but the killer feature is the camera, so cheap... I bought this phone because my Galaxy S7 died(almost took fire on USB port) and needed a phone really quick.. but, honestly the camera is crap. I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
Does anyone knows if using the Google camera api improves the quality?
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They advertised it as flagship dual camera but lol, I wasnt expecting so much from it tho. But yeah, look around in this forum, there are guides to install pixel cam with/without root. And the picture quality imo is 10x better than stock ones (in low lights too!) . Explore buddy, explore! ?
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I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
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Why you buy a phone for like 1/3 of the S7 price in the first place? But yes, the hardware is good, the stock app is the problem, GCam pics have double size compared to stock taken ones.
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Why you buy a phone for like 1/3 of the S7 price in the first place? But yes, the hardware is good, the stock app is the problem, GCam pics have double size compared to stock taken ones.
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Because it was January, S8 were 'old' by then.... and S9 weren't launched yet.... so, in the meantime I decided to buy the cheap phone which everyone was talking about.... end of story, by April I ended up buying a mirrorless camera and taking a photography course online.
I kept the Xiaomi Mi A1, it has been updated OTA every month, latest security patch every month(not like Samsung that takes 6 months for security update and almost a year for Android version upgrade). Other good thing about the 'cheap phone' is that battery lasts whole day and more... it's crazy to remember that with the Galaxy S7 I had to recharge the phone by mid afternoon, now I arrive home by 7pm with 50% battery. On weekends I use the phone a lot more and easily I can get 7 hours of Screen On Time, point for the Xiaomi A1 (the S7 struggled to reach 5 hours).
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Because it was January, S8 were 'old' by then.... and S9 weren't launched yet.... so, in the meantime I decided to buy the cheap phone which everyone was talking about.... end of story, by April I ended up buying a mirrorless camera and taking a photography course online.
I kept the Xiaomi Mi A1, it has been updated OTA every month, latest security patch every month(not like Samsung that takes 6 months for security update and almost a year for Android version upgrade). Other good thing about the 'cheap phone' is that battery lasts whole day and more... it's crazy to remember that with the Galaxy S7 I had to recharge the phone by mid afternoon, now I arrive home by 7pm with 50% battery. On weekends I use the phone a lot more and easily I can get 7 hours of Screen On Time, point for the Xiaomi A1 (the S7 struggled to reach 5 hours).
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enable google2api. put whatever gcam you like (i have a scrubber version and arnova, but im still checking them out).
not only have AMAZING results with HDR+, i actually can film video with EIS, slowmo WITH sound, blurred selfies, its ...amazing.
i really do not understand why they didnt enable this thing from the begining...
Socotroco said:
This phones works great, battery life is impressive, screen on time is really good (more than 7 hours for me) but the killer feature is the camera, so cheap... I bought this phone because my Galaxy S7 died(almost took fire on USB port) and needed a phone really quick.. but, honestly the camera is crap. I thought it was better camera when I was reading the reviews that afternoon my S7 died... next day I purchased A1 and ... suprise, bad camera was included!
Does anyone knows if using the Google camera api improves the quality?
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The difference between stock camera and google camera api is night and day.