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How many of you Like the Notch?

Do you guys like the Notch on OnePlus 6

Oh,I just hate it.

Actually, could someone explain to me why the notch is so bad apart from the fact that it's "copied from Apple". Most iPhone X users say that after using for just a few days you learn to ignore the notch. Moreover, It's considerably smaller on the OP6 than the iPhone X. Considering there is no other alternative to have a bezel-less display on all sides without a notch, I don't really see why so many people are hating on it.

I voted yes, but to be honest i don't really care. It will be strange at first, but i'll get used to it later

Personally I don't care. I know they do it to increase the screen real estate but does that little bit really make a big difference? I'm running the 3T currently and I'm perfectly happy with the screen size. I wish they would spend the development on other areas.

notch or no notch, but oneplus device will be top notch as always. (overall)

Ash110 said:
Actually, could someone explain to me why the notch is so bad apart from the fact that it's "copied from Apple". Most iPhone X users say that after using for just a few days you learn to ignore the notch. Moreover, It's considerably smaller on the OP6 than the iPhone X. Considering there is no other alternative to have a bezel-less display on all sides without a notch, I don't really see why so many people are hating on it.
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It hinders status bar space. You have to expand your status bar which you used to not have to.
It's not the end of the world, but I prefer my phone without the notch (unless it's compact like the Essential.)
The picture below is how Asus has it configured on their newest device.

I hate notch.
It's waste of screen space and I don't care for selfie cam.
For me it might be Oneplus 6 but I prefer Mi Mix 2S

Phoost said:
I hate notch.
It's waste of screen space and I don't care for selfie cam.
For me it might be Oneplus 6 but I prefer Mi Mix 2S
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Yeah, if the price is too high, i'll buy the Mix 2S for sure.
But.. Oh god IPS

Seems absolutely rubbish.

I hate notch. I buy mix 2 s also. Notch is not a flagship killer :laugh:

If the notch can be hidden then it's ok. I really have no experience with notch but I didn't like what I saw from others with notch. That when you put the video to full screen there's a missing part of the video on where the notch is. But if thats not the case then I guess I'm OK with it.
There should be an option where you can shift the status bar below the notch line and put black bars on the notch line to hide the notch.
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I'm not a big fan of the notch but if the screen is AMOLED (which is practically confirmed) then I wouldn't mind hiding it.

The notch makes sense to me. The added screen is essentially for design and to prevent the status bar from taking space away from other apps. I think it looks better than Essential or Apple.

I would be able to look past the notch if they included expandable storage.

People will vote with their wallets. Of the op6 bombs cause of the notch it's a safe bet the 6t will be notchless. Just hold out and wait. Their 't' devices tend to end up being what consumers really want and there main version devices seem to be a public test device to figure out how they're consumers will react.

I would like to buy OP6, but this Notch looks crap..
So going to buy Nokia 8 Sirocco..
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Well, But point is Android is Android.. Apple is Apple..
No need to copy Apple product design because Android is already 2-3 years ahead of Apple in Technology..
+ iPhone X didn't sold as expected so they have dropped it's Production... So there is Many things Android Phone Manufacturers should learn...
People's want more Battery Juice along with Camera...

Ash110 said:
Actually, could someone explain to me why the notch is so bad apart from the fact that it's "copied from Apple". Most iPhone X users say that after using for just a few days you learn to ignore the notch. Moreover, It's considerably smaller on the OP6 than the iPhone X. Considering there is no other alternative to have a bezel-less display on all sides without a notch, I don't really see why so many people are hating on it.
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If I recall correctly the first phone with a notch was not Apple I know many folks think it was but the first phone with a notch came from Essential and in fact was a small notch then Apple came out with there's which I think is big.

Notch is a perfect example of something that users never asked for, but they did it anyway. It's a horrible way to achieve a bezel-less phones (who cares?), cutting the screen. So now we all know that only a few percentage of programmes will care about optimize their apps for notched screens.
We don't need a notch and bezel-less phones. We need a phone that's durable, last long, have a good camera and it's good for everyday use. Why then adding notch? Look at the P20 Lite, a perfect example of the fact that notch is only a trend: put the phone at 180' and then remove the notch from the bottom. They couldn't do it like this? No! Cos Apple (yes, essential to it first) decided to make this fatal move and say to everyone "hey, notch is here, let's make this sh*t". Every producer now wants it, but Apple is rumoured to remove it on next iPhone. Brilliant, stupid fools. Now everybody will have cutted screens BUT Apple not. #Genius
I want a full screen phone. We want a full screen experience without compromising our screens. If you aren't able to make the full screen phones, just don't try to workaround it, especially if the way to do it is so useless, ugly and no-sense

I don't mind the notch but if we can have a full screen without then I'm all for it, but if iinorder to remove the notch you need a pop-up camera I can see that going wrong and the camera breaking off in your pocket or as you turn around and it gets cought on something and the camera gets riped off or the phone gets locked out of your hand and Bam new phone time.
That would be good for the manufacturer and stores but not the consumer.
I do not believe we will ever be able to make a phone everyone will like and that is why we have more than one manufacturer some everyone should be able to find something they will like or is willing to live with.

Notch you gonna do about it?

Hi, I seen a lot of hate on OnePlus for inserting the notch and I want to bring another view on this.
Whenever Apple announced the notch on iPhone X, it seemed like the most stupid thing ever but after seeing it in store i came to realization that it does make sense. Yes you could to what Samsung have done, but notch also makes sense, you are taking unnecessary screen space on top of the phone and just shrinking it therefore giving you more space for notifications, I don't see a problem here. With upcoming version of Android and the notch support, there will be an option for hiding the status bar so it should still be okay for the users that don't like it.
So in reality you are getting more space on your screen, yeah it might seem ugly at first but it's just a matter of getting used to it, I really don't see any point in all the hate towards getting more screen on your phone...If a company can do this why shouldn't they? I'm not an expert but it might also be cheaper to produce a screen with a notch in comparison to what Samsung is doing. This year will most likely be affected by notches as we already see with other android phones.

manufactures have a lot of space on the bottom side for any kind of sensors and camera !!
There is absolutely zero, non reason to make this retarded ugly notch !!
I'm highly disappointed !!

x111 said:
manufactures have a lot of space on the bottom side for any kind of sensors and camera !!
There is absolutely zero, non reason to make this retarded ugly notch !!
I'm highly disappointed !!
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Stop with this lunacy...
Cameras at the bottom are absolutely BS

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Stop with this lunacy...
Cameras at the bottom are absolutely BS
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they also have a lot of space on each corner !!
and than also can easily make equal 1-2mm bezels all around the screen.

You know that you can hide the notch, right?

x111 said:
ugh
they also have a lot of space on each corner !!
and than also can easily make equal 1-2mm bezels all around the screen.
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OnePlus already addressed this. To keep Face Unlock fast and reliable it's best to keep the photo angle in the centre. Moreover, the OP cam is already not the best out there. They would really mess up trying to handle images taken from the side

so many excuses and you are not even marketing representative of oneplus, aren't you? !!

x111 said:
so many excuses and you are not even marketing representative of oneplus, aren't you? !!
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Can we take this down a step.
Oneplus have made their decision about implementing a notch. They have also been upfront about it and given their reasons why (whether you choose to believe them or not).
As a customer you have a choice whether you are going to buy the phone or not. It's as simple as that...
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MrDarkness96 said:
Hi, I seen a lot of hate on OnePlus for inserting the notch and I want to bring another view on this.
Whenever Apple announced the notch on iPhone X, it seemed like the most stupid thing ever but after seeing it in store i came to realization that it does make sense. Yes you could to what Samsung have done, but notch also makes sense, you are taking unnecessary screen space on top of the phone and just shrinking it therefore giving you more space for notifications, I don't see a problem here. With upcoming version of Android and the notch support, there will be an option for hiding the status bar so it should still be okay for the users that don't like it.
So in reality you are getting more space on your screen, yeah it might seem ugly at first but it's just a matter of getting used to it, I really don't see any point in all the hate towards getting more screen on your phone...If a company can do this why shouldn't they? I'm not an expert but it might also be cheaper to produce a screen with a notch in comparison to what Samsung is doing. This year will most likely be affected by notches as we already see with other android phones.
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The more i see it, the more i hate it...and i never get used to it.
So...what i'm gonna do about it? Very simple, never buy a phone with it...
Period.

rav101 said:
Can we take this down a step.
Oneplus have made their decision about implementing a notch. They have also been upfront about it and given their reasons why (whether you choose to believe them or not).
As a customer you have a choice whether you are going to buy the phone or not. It's as simple as that...
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that's my friend absolutely true, I hate all generations of oneplus phones and I did not buy it but it oneplus phones have huge software advantage like Google phones sketch became even worst than oneplus ones in terms of hardware design.
At this point I'm highly disappointed that oneplus is going to make one more phone with completely retarded design.

MrDarkness96 said:
Hi, I seen a lot of hate on OnePlus for inserting the notch and I want to bring another view on this.
Whenever Apple announced the notch on iPhone X, it seemed like the most stupid thing ever but after seeing it in store i came to realization that it does make sense. Yes you could to what Samsung have done, but notch also makes sense, you are taking unnecessary screen space on top of the phone and just shrinking it therefore giving you more space for notifications, I don't see a problem here. With upcoming version of Android and the notch support, there will be an option for hiding the status bar so it should still be okay for the users that don't like it.
So in reality you are getting more space on your screen, yeah it might seem ugly at first but it's just a matter of getting used to it, I really don't see any point in all the hate towards getting more screen on your phone...If a company can do this why shouldn't they? I'm not an expert but it might also be cheaper to produce a screen with a notch in comparison to what Samsung is doing. This year will most likely be affected by notches as we already see with other android phones.
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Its not about how the notch looks or feels when you hold the phone. Its about copying someone else. I had high hopes from Oneplus because they were the only one doing something different but this time they just copy pasted the stuff from Apple. I can literally tolerate thin bezels but not the notch for sure.

I'm pretty sure OnePlus has been copying for a while. I also don't see anything wrong with "copying" persay. After HTC went with duel front firing speakers on the HRX One (later named M7), should we have hated on everyone else after that, who released duel front phones with firing speakers??
I'm not making an argument for or against the notch... Just want to point out that in all industries, companies take ideas from other companies. It's just the way it works
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MrDarkness96 said:
Hi, I seen a lot of hate on OnePlus for inserting the notch and I want to bring another view on this.
So in reality you are getting more space on your screen, yeah it might seem ugly at first but it's just a matter of getting used to it, I really don't see any point in all the hate towards getting more screen on your phone...If a company can do this why shouldn't they? I'm not an expert but it might also be cheaper to produce a screen with a notch in comparison to what Samsung is doing.
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Actually this is not true
You are not getting more space on your screen.
The size of a screen is measured diagonally. So It doesn't take the notch into account.
The manufacturers are selling us a 5.8 inch display (iPhone X for example) but the usable screen is smaller than the galaxy S8 which is 5.8 inch too, because a part of this screen is covered by the big notch.
The only advantage I find with the notch is that it kinda looks borderless, the display is going to every corner of the phone, which is cool. But the smaller the notch is, the better ! The size of the Essential PH1 should be the MAX allowed size
What pisses me off the most is the manufacturers that just add the notch to look cool, but that leave a HUGE border at the bottom of the phone.
OK I get it, it's technically complicated to remove the bottom of the display (or to curve it like Apple did), but if you can't do it : don't add a notch.
Although I don't find it very convenient, the Xiaomi method to deal with the bottom border without the notch is the best way. If you absolutely want to keep this big bottom border, then add the front facing camera on this border and don't add any notch.
Okay you'll tell me that the bottom borders are not that big, and I agree it's quite small. But it is big comparing to the other 3 borders of the phone. If you look at the P20 or P20 pro, the only thing I can see is that a HUGE part of the front of the phone is wasted by a HUGE border at the bottom. It's the only thing I can see when I look at this phone.
Anyway, I believe the notch shouldn't just be a temporary solution to get rid of the top bezel of the front of the phone. It should also be a temporary solution to get rid of the bottom bezel. Otherwise the manufacturers should just use the bottom bezel for the sensors instead of leaving it useless and ruining the design of their phone with a notch.
There were fake rumors and fake leaks about the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S showing a notch on the top-right corner of the phone. And I find this idea sooooooo cool ! It's the best notch implementation I can see. And even if it was just a fake (was it ?), I love the idea !
All that to say: OK One Plus, we might accept the notch, but not if there is a bottom border as big as the Vivo V9+ as I'm afraid there will be. If there is a bottom border, then the notch makes no sense. We would want to hide it and we would just have the same screen to body ratio as a One Plus 5T, so we would buy the One Plus 5T and the one plus 6 would be forgotten, just like most of the notch-phone will be.
And I agree with everyone : Copying Apple with the notch is a terrible bad idea. It makes you look weak, and makes you look just like a Chinese iPhone copy.
Damn it, the marketing guys should be thinking about it ! Every time someone sees a One Plus 6 using his phone, he would say "Ohh is that the new iPhone ?". Because the notch belongs to Apple. It's sad but it's true. They made sure that everyone knows that they invented the big notch.
So every random guy who loves the design of the One Plus 6 will just be thinking about the iPhone X and would probably eventually buy it. By copying Apple, you are doing advertising for them !
So that's good, make a powerful copy of the iPhone X. But in the end, only a few experienced users will know that you own a One Plus 6 and will envy you for it. But the 95% remaining will just be thinking that Apple is doing a good job.
I am so disappointed about the notch. I though that One Plus had his own identity, and that they would be able to create an original phone with no notch but with minimal bezels. You proved that I was wrong by getting inspiration from the iPhone when designing the back of the One Plus 5. And now you proved the opposite again by copying the notch...
Oops, sorry for the long post

If you take the presumed size of the OP6 screen to be around 6.2 inches, compared to the OP5T screen size of 6 inches then the extra 0.2 inches roughly equates to the size of the notch and effectively the status bar. This gives you that "extra" space compared to the previous phone they did.
The reality is, if you don't want a notch, then your choices are limited, especially if you're looking at the price point this phone is likely to come out at and the rest of the specifications it has.
It's simple, don't be pissed... Just don't buy it, or figure out if you can trade this notch against liking other parts of the phone. No one phone is the perfect phone for everyone
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In the Android "P" Itself there is a "Notch" mode when the core OS has a feature for it the vendors willl try to use it + Notch some people think its beauty and something new in display

2018 is a terrible year for smartphones.
That's it. I'm gonna skip every single one.
Can't wait for 2019
I'm never gonna use a notch in my life. Never.

timartinhof said:
2018 is a terrible year for smartphones.
That's it. I'm gonna skip every single one.
Can't wait for 2019
I'm never gonna use a notch in my life. Never.
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You presume that next year's phones won't also have notches?
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I pray for it every night

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I pray for it every night
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Hahahaha so do I
I really hope that manufacturers will find a way to remove this stupid notch very soon !

Maybe if more people would not buy this notched phone oneplus would be forced to bring down the price significantly. Then I can buy it!
So please, hate the notch and don't buy this phone! I heard s9 is a good alternative. ?
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Anyone have the phone or is everyone just b! ¥[emoji2398]hing about it?

Love to hear a p2xl to p3xl upgrade story.
P2xl with a great display and some new features? I am in. Love my current p2xl and since it was a later build, the screen isn't bad, but an Samsung like display would be wicked!
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I hope there is a dedicated notch complaint thread. The notch hate has been way worse than the notch. If you hate the phone you should 1. not buy it, and 2. spare those in a discussion forum from comments about how ugly it is. We got that. Anyone who has even occasionally read about the new Pixel has had a lifetime quota of notch hate bestowed upon them. I'm looking forward to the phone.

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I hope there is a dedicated notch complaint thread. The notch hate has been way worse than the notch. If you hate the phone you should 1. not buy it, and 2. spare those in a discussion forum from comments about how ugly it is. We got that. Anyone who has even occasionally read about the new Pixel has had a lifetime quota of notch hate bestowed upon them. I'm looking forward to the phone.
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The pixel 2 xl is hands down the best phone I've ever had. I still love it. I will love the 3 xl. But, after people start getting their phones next week, be ready for at least a couple months of bull**** hate threads and posts. It's coming and most of us will be unbelievably tired of hearing the same thing over and over. And many of us will say exactly what you said, then get **** talked for saying it. Just be ready to ignore a lot of BS. It happens every time. For whatever reason people love to hate and troll and argue. In the end, it will stop and everyone will love the phone. It was exactly that with the 2 xl. It's soooo dumb.

Better sound, better display and hopefully better battery life? Those are the most important things to me. Once it can be rooted, I am in.
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Display is much improved, I was okay with my 2 XL display, but this 3 XL is a real treat in that department.
Handles app management better than my 2 XL, with games (Bloons TD6) staying alive longer than previously.
Sound is definitely louder. As with the 2 XL, the bottom speaker is louder, but the front firing is still excellent. At full volume, my device has no distortion. I can't use full volume inside, it'll probably damage my hearing.
Camera is nothing major over the 2 XL, but I haven't given that a full test yet.
The notch, which others talk about first, is more of an afterthought to me. There are a couple places in apps where it doesn't play nice, but all in all, it doesn't bother me one bit.
I do use XDA Gestures. It really brings the screen to life by allowing it all the way to the bottom corners.
Are there other things I could've used $1000 for? Yes, but personally, I'm glad I spent it on the upgrade.
Edit: I'll post some battery stats at the end of the day or tomorrow.

Why so much hate for the 3 XL ?

Wow the Pixel 3 XL is getting bagged and dogged on left and right as if it's the worst smartphone ever made. Yes it could have been designed better for sure. Try to go the more minimal notch like Essential or something, and no bottom chin, do the stereo speakers like the HTC 10, or and the iPhone XS, and Note 9's, do, etc... to allow a more full screen design. Yes give us 6GB RAM.
Mainly in tech forums I keep reading so much hate for the Pixel 3 XL;
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pixel-3-pixel-3-xl.2106788/page-68#post-26666374
And YouTube channels dogging on the phone big time
But I still wouldn't go iPhone, just not an iOS fan whatsoever. And Samsung Touchwiz not my thing either. So if I hate the iPhone, don't like Galaxy phones and the Pixel 3 is sub par, what's the other options? I wish we had a third option, a Windows Surface phone or something.
Oh well, I still have my White Pixel 3 XL on order, and not changing. Yes the notch is ugly, and more RAM would have been nice, but I still value stock Android, updated directly and quickly from Google, and the smooth fluid vanilla UI, and the amazing camera, and A+ rated display, and IP68 rating, and wireless charging. Maybe I'm a sucker, but that's my choice.

Honestly, I didn't even notice the notch when I was checking out the display phone at Verizon. I love the feel of the phone, very well balanced and light compared to my old Nexus 6. Can't wait to get my phone call on Thursday (I hope) to come and pick up my phone.

I think manly they are charging Flagship prices but not delivering on flagship hardware /specs compared to whats already on the market and instead are betting on software to carry them. Now i love pure android how its meant to be not a fan of all tweaks each manufacture adds to the phone, If Samsung offered a note 9 /S9 pure (ie stock android no mods) i think the pixel would be left in its dust. The Pixel's have always seemed to be a generation behind. I love my pixel 2 xl i know i just wanted something more to go with the great feel of stock android and what not. maybe next year, i have my 3 XL ordered and will use it for a week or two to see if its worth the upgrade over my 2 XL

How would I have like to see Google design the Pixel 3 XL? Well on a realistic manner not some unrealistic futuristic design but a realistic version could have been a cross between like the LG V30 shape and size with the minimal bezels but give it the Essential notch and stretch the screen out on the top and bottom. And then do the stereo speakers like on the Note 9 or iPhone so they don't have to be front-facing, and allow for full display with almost no bezels at like 6.2" or so. And give it 6GB RAM. And a bigger 4,000MaH battery.

At the end of the day, for October 2018, I still think FOR ME, the Pixel 3 XL is the best phone out.
- Stock vanilla Android is my bread and butter OS. I go back to owning the Nexus-One when it was new, then waiting in line for the Nexus-S at launch. I just have a thing for stock Android, all other versions of Android just irritate me, or frustrate me.
- Updates first and quickly
- A+ rated display
- Best camera
- Wireless charging now
- IP68 rating is nice
- Phone can easily be rooted, mainly for the best ad blocking and Substratum themes
No other phone right now interests me. The Note 9 or S9+ ? Not at all, no way, Lagwiz still exists no matter what people say. The LG V40, yeah that's cool, but not a fan of the LG skin, and they suck at updates. iPhone XS Max looks super cool, a very beautifully built device, really liked it a lot, but man I hate iOS, and on the XS Max the OS looks out of place, dated like something from a decade ago. OnePlus 6T, yeah will be a great phone, but they always skimp somehow.
Is the Pixel 3 XL the best phone of 2018 ? NO, not at all. But for me a stock Android nerd, it's really the only option.

Yeah if the Iphone XS Max ran android it would be a dream phone lol IMO ... That said i do think the Note 9 Running stock android with all the software options of the pixel 3 would be a great option as well .

PSA:
Don't read Mac/Apple websites for reviews on Android devices. They are quite happy being locked into their apple ecosystem and will never appreciate the open source model of a pixel device.

No hate here, just wish the display was LARGER......Note9/V40 temp me with their larger displays......but I can't get away from pure google... C'mon google, 6.5 next year!!!

Why the hate? Did you notice that big black malignancy at the top of the screen? What about specs that are less than impressive? My guess is the answer is right there between those two things. Flagship means flagship, you want to charge this kinda money you need some wow factor and the ability to say you're second to none and have that hold water.
These devices don't give me that vibe. Too me they're like the second toughest guy on the block saying "Look, I can juggle!" As to the former enough has been said about it. I personally found my Best Buy experience to fall between what some said. At points when I was busy manipulating the GUI I forgot about it completely. Any time I stepped back from specific tasks the thing jumped out at me, it was like getting mugged with an ugly stick every timei looked at the phone as an object.
Yeah, I'm stupid so I'm still thinking about buying even though I'm not convinced I won't be sorry.

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I think manly they are charging Flagship prices but not delivering on flagship hardware /specs compared to whats already on the market and instead are betting on software to carry them. Now i love pure android how its meant to be not a fan of all tweaks each manufacture adds to the phone, If Samsung offered a note 9 /S9 pure (ie stock android no mods) i think the pixel would be left in its dust. The Pixel's have always seemed to be a generation behind. I love my pixel 2 xl i know i just wanted something more to go with the great feel of stock android and what not. maybe next year, i have my 3 XL ordered and will use it for a week or two to see if its worth the upgrade over my 2 XL
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I don't agree with this at all. The pixel 3 xl has a Samsung screen which looks amazing (and I bet is par or at least close to what you see on a Samsung phone), it has the latest Quallcom processor, the best cameras and software, same day updates, wireless charging, front facing speakers, I mean, what else does it need to be 'flagship specs' to you? What, because it only has 4 GB of RAM? That's literally the ONLY thing I can come up with, and that's only because many OEM's have stuffed more RAM in their phones this year. And honestly, it's not really necessary, at least not for 90% of people who use smartphones. Sheet, iPhones only have 4 GB or RAM. They only had ONE GB or RAM for a looonnnggg time. No one complained about that.
To me, this is a premium flagship, no question. The hate is mostly the RAM and notch. It's superficial. Last year it was the blue shift. Which, I think that plus the terrible quality control was actually warranted. This year, it's not much to hate on. Either you like it, or don't get it. And you can hide the notch. Either way, I'm excited about it coming today. I LOVE 2 xl, but I'm definitely ready for this upgrade, even though I was very on the fence before I checked one out in the store. My point here is, people are going to hate on something every time. Every time. If you don't like something, don't get it. It's really that simple.
My $0.02

gettinwicked said:
I don't agree with this at all. The pixel 3 xl has a Samsung screen which looks amazing (and I bet is par or at least close to what you see on a Samsung phone), it has the latest Quallcom processor, the best cameras and software, same day updates, wireless charging, front facing speakers, I mean, what else does it need to be 'flagship specs' to you? What, because it only has 4 GB of RAM? That's literally the ONLY thing I can come up with, and that's only because many OEM's have stuffed more RAM in their phones this year. And honestly, it's not really necessary, at least not for 90% of people who use smartphones. Sheet, iPhones only have 4 GB or RAM. They only had ONE GB or RAM for a looonnnggg time. No one complained about that.
To me, this is a premium flagship, no question. The hate is mostly the RAM and notch. It's superficial. Last year it was the blue shift. Which, I think that plus the terrible quality control was actually warranted. This year, it's not much to hate on. Either you like it, or don't get it. And you can hide the notch. Either way, I'm excited about it coming today. I LOVE 2 xl, but I'm definitely ready for this upgrade, even though I was very on the fence before I checked one out in the store. My point here is, people are going to hate on something every time. Every time. If you don't like something, don't get it. It's really that simple.
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I was simply stating why i think so many people hate the new pixel 3 xl from reading it sure does seem like a lot don't like it.
I agree the screen looks great but it should since they woke up and used a Samsung panel this time yay , my issue with it is its basically the same size as the 2 xl when you look at the usable part of the display and that is kinda disappointing to me i wanted a screen the size of the note 9 / XS max on the pixel 3 xl instead they went with a huge notch that takes away from the phone in stead of adding to it i honestly think they would have been better with out it at all, in person the notch isn't bad at all its big but once you play with it for a bit i didn't notice it as much and i don't mind the bottom chin as people call it since i love front firing speakers always hated cupping the end of the phone to direct the sound lol . They added an extra front camera and notch but no type of face id another missing feature that would have been a great addition to the pixel but we got wireless charging back so i guess its a trade off.
I said nothing about the ram because i think that's a mute point for most for the exact reason you said, apple has had little ram for a long time there is a difference between the two since apple designs the cpu they can help optimize it for the amount of ram they are using but mostly they iOS optimized for how it can handle the ram. google does the same with the pixel, most of the other phones need the extra ram because all the bs they add uses so much of it. for me as of now my daily usage on my 2 XL is 2.4-3.2 or so, 4gb is enough for me in 6 months that may not be the case but i doubt it
everyone has different ideas of what makes a phone flag ship quality or not, so this is just my opinion and you can agree or not for me i feel they could have done better and they came up a bit short compared to other phones only time will tell though and i still cant wait to get mine and use it to see if its worth the upgrade from the 2xl or not for me.

Nah, I don't buy it. Flagship is flagship. Almost flagship if it weren't for one big weakness is not flagship, it's second rate. I'm one of those people that can take advantage of more than 4 gigs of ram, I'm currently using 3.2 at home which is about average for me but usually hit in the upper 4s, lower 5s at work. Go ahead and name the one phone which is claiming flagship status and charging flagship prices but does not have me covered? See where I'm going?
Flagships is flagship, not second best with software optimization that every rooted oneplus will have installed not too far down the road on a phone that costs little more than half the price. Yeah, I'm talking about the camera. Still perhaps best in class overall but more than one reviewer has noted that telephoto shots lag behind other flagships including the fruit devices. They need to up their game here, flagships don't polish turds, they deliver the best hardware and polish that.
One that doesn't bother me in the slightest that I noted is the phones perceived build quality is a step behind Samsung and Apple. I cant point to one particular thing, either of those two just felt a little more expensive. As I said, I don't care because the phone will go into a case and I wont see it again until I give it to one of my kids or grand-kids in the spring.
So yeah, to me it feels like it's not quite up to flagship par except in price. It's all those things combined that give me that impression. And yeah, I'm still thinking about buying it, last night I got as far as putting it in my cart. Pixel has always been more the whole than the sum of its part, they are satisfying to own even if some things about them are underwhelming. The doubletake on the notch has me spooked though, when I was moving around the GUI it faded out of existence but when I just looked at the phone I kept doing this "whoa, what the hell were they thinking" thing. Cant figure out if that's ever going to go away or if it's going to be like a sore tooth. Still, buy in or not I'll never really consider it flagship hardware and every redraw I get will remind me of it should I start to forget.

The flagship price, the poor software utilization of the notch, the smaller battery and 4 GB RAM were the deal breakers.
The Note 9 is every bit as fast as the Pixel 3 XL, has a much better screen, better battery and SPen for the same price. The Pixel 3 XL may very well be a great phone but when priced with the Note 9, it needed SOMETHING to justify the price. Also, one can easily get a great condition LG V35 ThinQ or S9+ with better specs for hundreds less. Once the price drops, then it might be a better competitor.

For me a premium device needs to last me 2 years and be a useful companion for the duration.
The phone needs to be well built to last, have a good screen and the hardware features need to be ergonomic.
In addition to this the phone must have quick, well thought out software that ties in nicely to my favourite services.
For me, my best option is the Pixel 3 XL. I was considering the new Mate 20 pro as it is very similar in price here in the UK but there is now way I'll be putting up with their software and clutterware for two years. I'm also put off by their storage media and awful to uae, curved screen.
The pixel is getting stick for having underwhelming specs but this is a very short-sighted view unless your sole purpose for the device is to run benchmarks. People needs to evaluate what they use their phones for and what they need to achieve that.
I'm running the original Pixel XL 32Gb and it is still fantastic for all of my everyday uses. My wife is in fact selling her Samsung s9 and will be having my Pixel now that I've upgraded to the 3 XL.
Just as a side note, iPhones are brilliant for many as they offer a great experience across their devices and therefore are useful for their duration. This is more important than having a 40MP camera and 8Gb of RAM for the vast majority.

A lot of that was subjective: I find the Apple experience awful, spread it out across more devices and I call that cancer. I have to say however that your concept in general is on the mark in that the experience is what matters rather than the numbers. It's a fair summation.

for the peeps that hate on the notch and the ram .. just go buy the OnePlus 6T and be done with it

It's all just opinion as we have stayed here. The easy to pick on parts of any product is the visual appearance and listed specs. The new pixel XL appears to be poor in this area for a lot of people. Usabilit of the entire package is impossible to judge from online reviews.
If it is anything like the original Pixel, the phone will be great. If it's like my old Samsung phones or my iPhone 7, no thank you.

The phone is what it is. If you don't like it for the way it looks or a feature that it has or doesn't have, don't buy it. If all you have to say is you hate the notch, spare us. There are a lot of phones I don't like. I don't buy them and I don't seek out their communities and complain about them. This forum is here for the people that have the phone, not for those that hate it.

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The phone is what it is. If you don't like it for the way it looks or a feature that it has or doesn't have, don't buy it. If all you have to say is you hate the notch, spare us. There are a lot of phones I don't like. I don't buy them and I don't seek out their communities and complain about them. This forum is here for the people that have the phone, not for those that hate it.
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This! Sooo much this! Last year with the pixel 2 xl, there were so many trolls who had zero intention of ever buying the phone who came onto the forum just to talk sheet. One thread went hundreds of pages. It was ridiculous and stupid. If people like that really have that much time on their hands that they have to go troll things that have nothing to do with them, get a hobby or a life. Seriously. I'm surprised there isn't more yet on here. But, people have only begun to start getting their phones, so, I'm not holding my breath that it won't start.

It still looks like a toy next to any Samsung phones.
My note 9 looks like a monster next to my xl3.
I hate the notch. I'm not those people that will get over it.
I never will.
Anyway, display on xl3 looks great to me.
Camera is amazing.
Anything else

Why I'm Thrilled about the Pixel 5

I know many are disappointed with seemingly mediocre specs for a flagship, but I'm very happy with the design choices in the Pixel 5. Here's why:
Aluminum body. I've had enough of the completely impractical "premium" glass bodies that crack when you look at them wrong. Finally a return to something sensible.
Flat OLED. Seems like every flagship has to have curved edges. I haven't seen one phone yet that didn't have imperfections in the curve or drive me crazy with errant touches on the edges. Simple is better.
Return of the fingerprint scanner
NO NOTCH
Reasonable size. It seems like the flagship race always equates "bigger" with "better". I don't subscribe to that theory, and I'm glad to see a more modest size for the Pixel 5.
I do wish it had the Snapdragon 865, Wifi 6, and the telephoto lens, but every other choice was perfect IMO. Even with the CPU, I'm sure that choice was about cost, so it might be the right cost/performance trade-off to go with the 765G. Time will tell, I suppose.
What are your thoughts? Do you feel like this was a step backward or does anyone else feel the same about these design choices?

The form factor is what really sold me. Almost identical to the Essential (RIP)

Coming from the Pixel 4, the Pixel 5 has all of the changes I desire. Making it a no brainer, for me.
Lower power chipset / Less PPI / Larger battery -- All culminating to improved battery life. Probably by a good margin, in daily use.
No Active Edge / No Soli -- I disabled Active Edge and motion sense long ago as I found them more annoying than useful. I imagine not having the Soli chip will help to improve battery life even further.
Rear fingerprint reader -- YES!! These days I'm wearing a mask majority of the time I'm trying to use my phone, rendering face unlock useless. Having the fingerprint reader on the back is VERY welcomed.
Wide Angle Camera -- Another great addition. I don't need improved zoom quality. I need to be able to fit more content into a single picture.
The Pixel 5 is an improvement over the Pixel 4 in every way, in my opinion.

@sn0warmy Side note: your device history is what I wish mine looked like...

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@sn0warmy Side note: your device history is what I wish mine looked like...
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It's been a fun journey. I still remember the day I unboxed my Nexus One, right after it was launched. That was a special feeling and it opened the door into the crazy world of rooting/tinkering on Android devices. 10 years later, I'm making significantly more money with a lot more expensive toys and hobbies. Yet, Pixel launch day still gets me excited, every single year. It's the kid in me that will never grow up. :highfive:

All theses features in a 6' phone, it's perfect. I don't enjoy crazy big phones...
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@sn0warmy from someone that had the 3 XL - I hope this is a huge improvement as that is my current phone. I have pre-ordered it. What are your thoughts, 3 XL vs P5 (obv you can't say too much besides basing it on specs).

I'm going to get the pixel 5. Currently using 4 XL. My dilemma is that if Google will flash the prices by black Friday like last year. So I may wait till Thanksgiving.
Great price for pixel 5 though
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@sn0warmy from someone that had the 3 XL - I hope this is a huge improvement as that is my current phone. I have pre-ordered it. What are your thoughts, 3 XL vs P5 (obv you can't say too much besides basing it on specs).
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The 3XL was a great phone. But I've come to prefer smaller phones. Which is why I went from the 3XL to the 4 (non-XL). The Pixel 4 is a much better size for daily use, for me. So the Pixel 5 is going to be a great size, as well.
As far as features and specs...
1) The Pixel 5 has 2x the amount of RAM as the 3XL. I've come to learn that more RAM is much more crucial to having a consistently smooth experience over time, rather than having a top of the line processor. So the Snapdragon 765G in the Pixel 5 doesn't concern me in the least bit.
2) The Pixel 5 has a 4000mAh battery, which is nearly an 18% increase in capacity, compared to the 3400mAh battery in the 3XL. the Pixel 5 also has a 6.0" display, vs the 6.3" in the 3XL. But the Pixel 5 is also pushing more total pixels, so that may actually be a hit to battery life, between the two phones. Regardless, the Pixel 5 battery should outlast the 3XL battery by a decent margin.
3) Pictures taken with your Pixel 5 will be better than the 3XL. Will it be a huge improvement? Probably not. But it will be an improvement, nonetheless.
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I'm going to get the pixel 5. Currently using 4 XL. My dilemma is that if Google will flash the prices by black Friday like last year. So I may wait till Thanksgiving.
Great price for pixel 5 though
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That's actually a really good point, which I failed to consider. Last year Google dropped the price of the Pixel 4 by $200 over Black Friday weekend. It irritated a lot of people.
However, last year Google overestimated demand for the Pixel 4 by almost 30% (SOURCE). They were forced to unload inventory, hence the big price drops over Black Friday weekend and again in January, 2020. This year Google is being much more realistic about the total number of units they expect to sell and have adjusted production accordingly.
I do imagine you'll see some sort of promotion for the Pixel 5 over Black Friday weekend. It's in the best interest of online retailers to offer some sort of promotion when buyers are looking for the best deals. Fun fact: Many big name online retailers will generate upwards of 20% of their total yearly online revenue, just over Black Friday weekend.
With that said, I'll be very surprised if Google drops the price by $200 again. If I were a betting man, I'd wager that over Black Friday weekend you'll be able to snag a Pixel 5 for $75 - $100 off. Worst case, it will likely be a "Gift With Purchase" promotion, in which they give you a new Chromecast ($50 value) when you buy the Pixel 5.

@sn0warmy great. Exactly what I was thinking. Overall should be a better experience than the 3 XL especially due to the RAM increase. Looking forward to getting it.
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I'll be picking up a Pixel 5 a few updates down the road (gotta make sure the bugs and issues are worked out first). The Pixel 4 was a bust. It appears the Pixel 5 fixes all the things that went wrong there. I would get the 4a but it's plastic and not water repellant which is a non-starter.
I don't like bigger phones and coming from a Pixel 2 I think the 5 is just right with more screen real estate. The face unlock feature was just as ridiculous as the notch. So glad they are gone. Looks like I'll be able to pick the phone up and unlock it with the finger print sensor just like before (too easy).
As for the processor, they are so fast these days, they could have told you it was the faster chip and you would never have known. Most people don't do anything so intense that they really need all that extra umph anyway and if it lowers the price of a Google phone, great!

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Coming from the Pixel 4, the Pixel 5 has all of the changes I desire. Making it a no brainer, for me.
Lower power chipset / Less PPI / Larger battery -- All culminating to improved battery life. Probably by a good margin, in daily use.
No Active Edge / No Soli -- I disabled Active Edge and motion sense long ago as I found them more annoying than useful. I imagine not having the Soli chip will help to improve battery life even further.
Rear fingerprint reader -- YES!! These days I'm wearing a mask majority of the time I'm trying to use my phone, rendering face unlock useless. Having the fingerprint reader on the back is VERY welcomed.
Wide Angle Camera -- Another great addition. I don't need improved zoom quality. I need to be able to fit more content into a single picture.
The Pixel 5 is an improvement over the Pixel 4 in every way, in my opinion.
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I'm with you on the bigger battery and lower PPI (really lower resolution) to help with battery life but I wish it had the 865 chip. The processor doesn't even have a big impact on battery life when compared to the screen.
I don't care about Soli but I'm really going to miss the active edge. I don't know why you're happy that's gone when you can disable it anyways. Sometimes I like to use the assistant and make sure it's on my phone even if I have other nearby devices. Without active edge the only way to do that is to swipe diagonally from the corners which doesn't work like 75% of the time.
I'm also with you on the rear fingerprint reader. I didn't own a Pixel 4 but I did spend a day with one and the face unlock was awful.
For the camera I'd much rather have a telephoto than a wide angle. The wide angle basically useless to me. I have very often wish I could get closer to the subject of the photo but I've never wish I could get farther away.
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I know many are disappointed with seemingly mediocre specs for a flagship, but I'm very happy with the design choices in the Pixel 5. Here's why:
Aluminum body. I've had enough of the completely impractical "premium" glass bodies that crack when you look at them wrong. Finally a return to something sensible.
Flat OLED. Seems like every flagship has to have curved edges. I haven't seen one phone yet that didn't have imperfections in the curve or drive me crazy with errant touches on the edges. Simple is better.
Return of the fingerprint scanner
NO NOTCH
Reasonable size. It seems like the flagship race always equates "bigger" with "better". I don't subscribe to that theory, and I'm glad to see a more modest size for the Pixel 5.
I do wish it had the Snapdragon 865, Wifi 6, and the telephoto lens, but every other choice was perfect IMO. Even with the CPU, I'm sure that choice was about cost, so it might be the right cost/performance trade-off to go with the 765G. Time will tell, I suppose.
What are your thoughts? Do you feel like this was a step backward or does anyone else feel the same about these design choices?
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I'm really happy about the aluminum back.
I actually like the feel of the curved edges on my Pixel 2 XL but I honestly don't really carry either way.
It doesn't have a notch but It does have a hole punch which to me is just as bad as the notch. Obstructed screen content is obstructed screen content either way. In fact after learning that the developer option to hide the cutout that was on the Pixel 3 XL isn't on the Pixel 5 has me considering canceling my pre-order.
You make a good point that the flagship race seems to mean bigger is better. I don't even think the Pixel 5 is a modest size I think it's still way too big. I really miss the days of one-handed use and comfortable pocket ability those days have been gone for years and are unlikely to return.
It would be nice to have an actual fast processor instead of the slow 765 but that I think I could probably deal with. I also really wish they would have kept the telephoto of the Pixel 4 instead of going to the wide angle. Or just have three lenses like other phones even at the same price point.

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I don't care about Soli but I'm really going to miss the active edge. I don't know why you're happy that's gone when you can disable it anyways.
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I wouldn't say I'm "happy" it's gone. Rather, I found it to be of little or no use. So removal of the associated hardware, which very well could have negatively impacted the battery, even when disabled, is perfectly fine with me.

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I wouldn't say I'm "happy" it's gone. Rather, I found it to be of little or no use. So removal of the associated hardware, which very well could have negatively impacted the battery, even when disabled, is perfectly fine with me.
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Yeah on stock it was really useless. On custom rom you could assign apps of actions to it which was really good. I think I am going to miss it

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I wouldn't say I'm "happy" it's gone. Rather, I found it to be of little or no use. So removal of the associated hardware, which very well could have negatively impacted the battery, even when disabled, is perfectly fine with me.
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It was essentially just a physical button. It wouldn't be a drain on the battery anymore than the volume buttons would is. Now there is no reliable way to activate the Google Assistant without voice which would trigger other near by devices too. That really sucks.

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It was essentially just a physical button. It wouldn't be a drain on the battery anymore than the volume buttons would is. Now there is no reliable way to activate the Google Assistant without voice which would trigger other near by devices too. That really sucks.
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Most likely due to the aluminum frame. Sad anyway

Benjamin_L said:
Most likely due to the aluminum frame. Sad anyway
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What is mostly due to the aluminum frame?

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What is mostly due to the aluminum frame?
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Getting rid of active edge I meant. Maybe I am also imagining it the wrong way.

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Getting rid of active edge I meant. Maybe I am also imagining it the wrong way.
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Having an aluminum frame doesn't have an impact on Active Edge. The Pixel 2 was the first phone to have Active Edge and it's aluminum.

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Having an aluminum frame doesn't have an impact on Active Edge. The Pixel 2 was the first phone to have Active Edge and it's aluminum.
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Hmm too bad they got rid of it then. Do we know yet who builds the P5?