I am extending this post just because it took a long time to sticky 1 more month.....
I would like to ask the community if they would want 1 sticky thread with the following info. Only the rom author would post in this forum not questions the rom author can link to a thread regarding this. Or should we just WIKI this?
Current and past rom builds
Fixes for Rom past and present
Links to How to threads such as WM6 VIOP
EX These should be the authors post. And no one other than the author should post
CrossBow Reloaded by MFRAZZZ
1.71(Beta) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310101&highlight=reloaded
1.7 (Stable) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309531&highlight=reloaded
1.5 (Stable) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306820&highlight=reloaded
Voip Setup
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950
I think you get the hint.....
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Please post your comments if you have any
Good iniciative
Thanks, the result can´t be other than a better organized forum
More input
Hey we need at least 100 votes to make a difference.
HMM looking at the wiki this does seem good. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=wizard_WM_6
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I am going to ask a moderator to sticky this
I agree with luiggi. Since the kitchens were out there are so many ROMS out there. So we shall organize this forum better.
The point of a forum is discussion....
I think if only one person is editing, a Wiki makes more sense. After the discussion happens in the forum, the filtered content (fixes, etc.) could go to the Wiki instead of the first post. Having all the discussion as part-in-parcel to the original post is getting pretty clunky.
The trouble would come in a cluttered Wiki, no?
There should be a wiki where all cooks put a link to thier roms, so that we end up with one "master list" of all the roms available. So that we dont have to go searching thru the forum to find different roms.
you can create many subforums which will be messy at first but if you want a quick simple fix create a [ Files Only section (no discussions) ] this fixed other websites from getting messy.
example site
http://www.rom10x.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=255
charly_mx said:
I agree with luiggi. Since the kitchens were out there are so many ROMS out there. So we shall organize this forum better.
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I'm sorry to bother you, but where did you get the official WM6 Release for the 8125.
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I'm sorry to bother you, but where did you get the official WM6 Release for the 8125.
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His build is not really the official release for 8125. There is no such beast. The closest is the on that was uploaded by Ingentics (however you spell it)
According to him, it came directly from microsoft. Or if you want one with good fixes and is stable and built off that base rom, grab jaguar. <see signature>
Its very lite
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His build is not really the official release for 8125. There is no such beast. The closest is the on that was uploaded by Ingentics (however you spell it)
According to him, it came directly from microsoft. Or if you want one with good fixes and is stable and built off that base rom, grab jaguar. <see signature>
Its very lite
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Thanks nottoosmart. I'm gonna download and install and see how it runs.
I'll update later.
ROM Originator/Author's Original/Changes always on TOP
Why not have/keep/Sticky the ROM Originator/Author's Original posting on top and then allow that person to edit that posting as needed. This way we could always look at the ROM Originator/Author posting to see what is the latest version/changes.
All other postings could be as currently done. I find it very time consuming that one has to go though x00 postings to find if any updates have been made to the original version.
Honestly, this forum has been a mess for a while.. I have been trolling around here for ages, and sometimes it is really difficult to find anything in the 100 page threads.
My suggestion, although time consuming will probably help.
Create 2 threads for each major rom/kitchen release (not the minor "everyone can cook there own roms" rom). 1 is stickied, 1 is not. The sticky is only accessible by the author of said rom, and no one but mods or himself/herself can post to it, the other is for basic discussion about said rom/kitchen
Additionally the mods may want to go through and clear out older threads completely, and cull the threads with far too many pages for any usefull information (or maybe permit the author the rom the thread is about to cull that thread).
I wasn't sure if there was another place to put this, but I figured it would be routed appropriately if I placed it here.
Is there flexibility in the forums software to add functionality? Specifically, I thought it would be extremely valuable to institute a ROM rating system and have it linked to the ROM Development forums for each device. This way, instead of filtering through 300 pages of threads to read about Dutty's new WM 6.1 Hybrid ROM, we could hit the application and see at a glance how other's rate the ROM and its functionality.
I have a ton of web-development experience, and I'm offering my services to help make this happen. I would also be happy to throw together a concept if there is interest.
Hmmm...
Maybe I'm stupid or something, but i don't get it...
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Hmmm...
Maybe I'm stupid or something, but i don't get it...
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I doubt it. Maybe I didn't clearly described what I envisioning. The way ROMs are delivered now are through the threads. The author posts three or 4 threads in the forum with the description, benchmarks, applications included and any other ROM specific information (radio versions, spl and etc.). Everyone then downloads the ROM and replies to the thread with props or with problems. In the case I referred to, there are over 300 pages of responses.
My proposition is to create a place where the ROMs could be referenced/hosted, and then people could try out the ROM and give it a rating based on stability and features (e.g. poor, good, excellent, Christ Himself Cooked this ROM).
Each ROM could be classified based on the device it's cooked for, radio version, spl, and type (lite, heavy, business... etc.)
Capturing this level of information would make it easier to point people to one place to search for a "good ROM" (even though I know that's subjective).
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I doubt it. Maybe I didn't clearly described what I envisioning. The way ROMs are delivered now are through the threads. The author posts three or 4 threads in the forum with the description, benchmarks, applications included and any other ROM specific information (radio versions, spl and etc.). Everyone then downloads the ROM and replies to the thread with props or with problems. In the case I referred to, there are over 300 pages of responses.
My proposition is to create a place where the ROMs could be referenced/hosted, and then people could try out the ROM and give it a rating based on stability and features (e.g. poor, good, excellent, Christ Himself Cooked this ROM).
Each ROM could be classified based on the device it's cooked for, radio version, spl, and type (lite, heavy, business... etc.)
Capturing this level of information would make it easier to point people to one place to search for a "good ROM" (even though I know that's subjective).
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Then check out my thread. (You can find it in my signature)
PDACornerUltimate
By: abusalza
Phoenix
By: parleyp
HyperDragon
By: sakajati
AthineOS
By: b16b
eOS
By: -888-
RevROM
By: kareem9nba
-G- ROM's
By: -G-
SeaDragon
By: ansar.ath.gr
If I've missed any please let me know. These are NOT the only ROM's nor are they the "best" ROM's for the Kaiser just a list of the ROM's that seam to be the most popular.
Why did you post this?
Does it's based on number of post or viewers who's came to related ROM threads? Why don't we just do polling or something? But i guess member here rarely used only one ROM, it's keep changing
is this really necessary?
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is this really necessary?
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i feel it is just like adding a new thread with no benefits n discussions...
I think it is an against rule.. so MOD to take the call on this!
siddesh_0110 said:
i feel it is just like adding a new thread with no benefits n discussions...
I think it is an against rule.. so MOD to take the call on this!
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Why did you post this?
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is this really necessary?
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What is the big deal? ......What , is he taking much needed space away from all the new 6.5 roms coming out ? Look around, things are kind of slow around here with links being taken down, chefs canceling their new 6.5 releases
This is not a "what is best thread," it merely consolidates all the chefs in one area,.........If it is tagged right, now all a noob has to do is come to rom development, type " popular roms " into search and he will come right to this page, to link and compare. No harm, could be helpful.
Don't forget ansar's roms, get the link in my signature.
Make this sticky!
Maybe add older but good ROMS like dutty's, Laurentis, etc!
I didn't expect to be flamed for making a post that would help me. If it helps me then I'm sure it would help others here on the forums.
I'm not claiming these are the best ROM's, What I did was sort the forum by number of posts and then started listing, I skipped over the threads that was old but apparently some of those ROM's are still used so I'll include those too.
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I didn't expect to be flamed for making a post that would help me. If it helps me then I'm sure it would help others here on the forums.
I'm not claiming these are the best ROM's, What I did was sort the forum by number of posts and then started listing, I skipped over the threads that was old but apparently some of those ROM's are still used so I'll include those too.
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your not really being flamed its just that this is rom development forum and your thread has nothing to do with that,or with even aiding in rom dev. maybe you should put this in the kaiser-general forum?
The only problem is I don't think noobs are going to use the search function in the general forum to find a popular rom list. They are going to come here, to rom dev. Yes they could just go up and down the forum threads looking at post totals for different roms, but we all know clueles noobs.
I would love for them to be able to input "popular roms " into the search function and have them be directed to a list. Or as we get the inevitalbe " what is the best rom " question, which gets asked here, more than in the Kaiser general forum " here is the list of popular roms ", " follow the links and test and compare for yourself "
Could be helpful.
Once upon a time, XDA made this thing, it was grand, it's called THE WIKI.
Where there is already an extensive ROM list.
Instead of making a new thread, update the WIKI.
Travito said:
Once upon a time, XDA made this thing, it was grand, it's called THE WIKI.
Where there is already an extensive ROM list.
Instead of making a new thread, update the WIKI.
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agreed it is far more extensive
Travito said:
Once upon a time, XDA made this thing, it was grand, it's called THE WIKI.
Where there is already an extensive ROM list.
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And that is why the thread is not called " every rom ever written for the Kaiser " because that is in the wiki. Lets face it when the noobs come to this Kaiser forum, they are looking for the latest and the greatest, the stuff all the other kids are using.
They are not looking or willing to to filter through yesterdays news just to get the newest stuff. Don't get me wrong, Leo, Dutty, NATF, and all are legends and always will be, but they have moved on. In some cases the chefs are not even supporting their old threads that are still listed in the wiki.
We hear enough complaints as it is about all the old info a noob has to go through to get the " new stuff ".
This is kind of a thanks and props to the guys that have stayed behind and still support us, and a thanks to the ( Josh, KaiserII101, ngy ) new chefs stepping up, by moving them to the top of the " every rom available for the Kaiser" list .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=492757
Go here follow the links to the latest and the greatest and decide for yourself. Easy Answer ?
Not meaning to be a jerk with so many posts, I'm just sayin............
I've got to admit that this thread helped me find a good naked ROM, namely AthineOS. I probably would have found it in the end but who knows how long that would have taken?
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Lets face it when the noobs come to this Kaiser forum, they are looking for the latest and the greatest, the stuff all the other kids are using.
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and that stuff 9 times out of 10 is on the 1st or 2nd page of the kaiser forum, hence threads like these AREN'T needed.
edit: not to mention that this is the "Kaiser Rom Development forum" not a come and get it/heres your menu forum, these "kids" need to be searching/learning before they EVER think about flashing a rom. or all you get is theses spoon fed "kids" not reading/searching, bricking their phones more than they do now!!!
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I've been lurking XDA for quite some time, have read countless threads, and flashed numerous ROMs. I'm no chef/expert, but I'm not a n00b either. My visits to XDA are far from regular and usually involve either obtaining a new ROM or checking on the status of Android on the Kaiser. I greatly appreciate the work of everyone who cooks ROMs, administrates the forum/wiki, or just generally puts in time to help the community, and try to stay out of the way unless I have a good question or something useful to add. I use the search function and the wiki religiously. In short, I'm probably a good example of the typical XDA visitor. Here's my opinion:
@Fingerlickin: Thank you. The effort is appreciated, but I don't imagine you'll want to come back and update this every few months. If you make a new wiki page or add the popularity info to the existing ROM list, other people can update it in future. Then, you could just edit your post and make it a link to the wiki (or have the mods add the link to the FAQ) so that it comes up in forum searches.
@Travito & msd24200: You say that a more extensive list can be found elsewhere and that a post like this doesn't belong in the ROM development forum. With all due respect, I think you are missing the point. Fingerlickin didn't post a list of all ROMS, he posted something of a Top 8 list. It wasn't intended to be comprehensive.
Could he have updated the wiki instead of making a new post? Sure, but (at the time of this post) that page was last updated in January.
Could any given XDA visitor get this information on their own? Yes, but it can be confusing, frustrating, and time consuming. ROM authors and update threads change, and some of the most popular ROMs are no longer maintained.
Should this be somewhere else? I don't believe so. If I'm interested in getting a ROM, I go to where the ROM developers post them. They don't post in Kaiser General, so I don't go there for ROMs. Naturally, I wouldn't expect to find a list of popular ROMs there, either.
Frankly, I think the FAQ actually has too much info, especially since there's a wiki with all of that (and more). As for the wiki, it's not the easiest thing to navigate. For example, a search for "Kaiser" brings up a list of pages, but should I click the HTC_Kaiser link, or the Kaiser link? If I'm looking for info on Kaiser ROMs, do I choose KaiserROMs or Kaiser_ROMs? KaiserROMs directs me to see either Kaiser Cooked Roms or Kaiser Shipped Roms, the latter being a link to the Kaiser_ROMs page.
My point is simply this: Fingerlickin's post lists several of the most popular, and still updated, ROMs. This info is not available on the wiki or in the FAQ, and pertains directly to the ROMs developed and posted on this forum. It might be easier to maintain if it were on the wiki, but it might end up harder to find. It's definitely not redundant or in the wrong forum, and it IS a time saver.
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Exactly all the most up to date things will be within first 2 pages and even if not then surely it's worth putting in the effort to find a ROM that you want and like, by that i mean to do a bit of research read some of the reviews flash it and then probably go somewhere else and flash untill you find the ROM that suits your needs and wishes, blah blah too many threadz with Help\Fastest ROM\Best ROM or just posted in the bloody wrong section.
Blah Blah Blah..............
msd24200 where's that cat when you need him?
DamionFury: I read it all and you have some valib point but time consuming is all part of it your flashing a UK £200ish phone............. Take some time, do some learning..... You don't need to use the search for Kaiser ROMs go through the pages of ROM Development and you can just flip & flip & flip till you find what you want???
I enjoy using my phone when it has a ROM that I like; I don't enjoy spending hours finding that ROM. I have far too many things I'd rather be doing. I spend the time finding the ROM because I believe that it's worth it, but anything that reduces the expenditure is great in my book.
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I've been lurking XDA for quite some time, have read countless threads, and flashed numerous ROMs. I'm no chef/expert, but I'm not a n00b either. My visits to XDA are far from regular and usually involve either obtaining a new ROM or checking on the status of Android on the Kaiser. I greatly appreciate the work of everyone who cooks ROMs, administrates the forum/wiki, or just generally puts in time to help the community, and try to stay out of the way unless I have a good question or something useful to add. I use the search function and the wiki religiously. In short, I'm probably a good example of the typical XDA visitor. Here's my opinion:
@Fingerlickin: Thank you. The effort is appreciated, but I don't imagine you'll want to come back and update this every few months. If you make a new wiki page or add the popularity info to the existing ROM list, other people can update it in future. Then, you could just edit your post and make it a link to the wiki (or have the mods add the link to the FAQ) so that it comes up in forum searches.
@Travito & msd24200: You say that a more extensive list can be found elsewhere and that a post like this doesn't belong in the ROM development forum. With all due respect, I think you are missing the point. Fingerlickin didn't post a list of all ROMS, he posted something of a Top 8 list. It wasn't intended to be comprehensive.
Could he have updated the wiki instead of making a new post? Sure, but (at the time of this post) that page was last updated in January.
Could any given XDA visitor get this information on their own? Yes, but it can be confusing, frustrating, and time consuming. ROM authors and update threads change, and some of the most popular ROMs are no longer maintained.
Should this be somewhere else? I don't believe so. If I'm interested in getting a ROM, I go to where the ROM developers post them. They don't post in Kaiser General, so I don't go there for ROMs. Naturally, I wouldn't expect to find a list of popular ROMs there, either.
Frankly, I think the FAQ actually has too much info, especially since there's a wiki with all of that (and more). As for the wiki, it's not the easiest thing to navigate. For example, a search for "Kaiser" brings up a list of pages, but should I click the HTC_Kaiser link, or the Kaiser link? If I'm looking for info on Kaiser ROMs, do I choose KaiserROMs or Kaiser_ROMs? KaiserROMs directs me to see either Kaiser Cooked Roms or Kaiser Shipped Roms, the latter being a link to the Kaiser_ROMs page.
My point is simply this: Fingerlickin's post lists several of the most popular, and still updated, ROMs. This info is not available on the wiki or in the FAQ, and pertains directly to the ROMs developed and posted on this forum. It might be easier to maintain if it were on the wiki, but it might end up harder to find. It's definitely not redundant or in the wrong forum, and it IS a time saver.
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and again there is no point to be missing the fact is this is a rom development thread not a come and get it and here's the menu thread. THIS HAS BEEN GONE OVER AND OVER AND OVER so many times. the roms that are "hot" will always be on the first couple of pages of the forum because so many use them they don't have time to drop back to page 3. you guys that want to spoon feed should start your own website linking back to the rom threads on here then. and as far as the wiki goes it's all there and ANYONE can update the wiki at anytime.
Hello all,
I've been visiting XDA since the first android phones. And I love seeing all the development made for phones. [MOD]s, [KERNEL]s and fixes/tweaks interest me. The trouble is, they get completely buried under threads about re-skinned stock/ CM / AOKP roms with a different kernel strapped underneath, and given a name containing "jelly", a biblical term, or a word describing speed. Most of these roms don't contribute actual development, and although they are nice for beginners or people who cant spend a day without flashing their phone. I don't care about them, and they obscure the actual development that is happening at XDA.
Is there a proper way of removing threads containing the [ROM] tag from XDA?
The_Double said:
Hello all,
I've been visiting XDA since the first android phones. And I love seeing all the development made for phones. [MOD]s, [KERNEL]s and fixes/tweaks interest me. The trouble is, they get completely buried under threads about re-skinned stock/ CM / AOKP roms with a different kernel strapped underneath, and given a name containing "jelly", a biblical term, or a word describing speed. Most of these roms don't contribute actual development, and although they are nice for beginners or people who cant spend a day without flashing their phone. I don't care about them, and they obscure the actual development that is happening at XDA.
Is there a proper way of removing threads containing the [ROM] tag from XDA?
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Well the [ROM] tag is to differentiate it from a kernel, mod, recovery etc. and doesn't imply that it's any more than a compiled CM base with just a theme add-on.
I understand your frustration completely, but people have to get started somewhere don't they? And the ones that have the most replies, i.e. most popular, tend to stay near the top of the forum anyways.
It would be rather arbitrary I think to take off that tag or tell someone their ROM was not "real" because they just compiled CM and added someone else's kernel and themed it a bit, because technically it IS a custom ROM. What you might do to help that specific chef is post suggestions in his ROM for how to better improve it, and browsing through the various ROMs doesn't take all that long does it? I mean I use Nexus devices, so you know how many ROMs I have to choose from.
I can appreciate where you're coming from, but a custom ROM is a custom ROM, no matter how heavily or lightly modified it is, and to now infer something isn't modified enough from Source to be labeled [ROM] is too much a gray area I think to adequately and fairly decide.
That was my observation too, the more popular the item, the better chance it'll be near the top of the list.
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