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Do you have any problems with the Z3?

I just wanna do a survey before getting the Z3.

Nope
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Ditto, not one problem

every so often i get an 'Xperia Home' FC. nothing that can't be fixed with a reboot though

Overall I like the phone, but there are a few bummers you should be aware of (it certainly isn't flawless):
(1) The D6603 I got is 16 gb (weak sauce) and if you keep the device stock, there is no option to move app data to storage. Usually 16 gb is enough for regular apps, but if you download games then you'll quickly run out of space. And so far, you CANNOT move app data to the SD card (only media). From what I understand this is a Android 4.4.4 issue or policy
(2) I'm a heavy media user and you can't manage your media via file explorers (I like ES file explorer the best). Because of the space issue, I keep all my media on the SD card but can't delete them using the phone only. I have to connect to a PC via USB (sort of a hassle and very iphone-ish). When I try to delete, it says something about security in Android 4.4.4
(3) The way to solve (2) is to root the phone. But oh yea, if you unlock the bootload and root the phone you lose DRM keys and your camera will not perform well in low light.
I unlocked bootload and rooted my old phone (HTC One M7) and loved the freedom and functionality I got, but I also realized the camera went bad (I am just guessing it is the same thing - losing DRM keys, but am not certain). I am hesitant to unlock / root this phone because I want a decent camera and do'nt want to lose other functionality that really sold me on the phone (the PS4 remote play).
Oh and (4) At least for me, the remote play is sort of laggy, but I have yet to test this thoroughly. Looks like I'll be able to play RPGs, but maybe not action games (am really looking forward to Far Cry 4).

Just an FYI on #2 above that you can actually write to the SD card using the internal "File Commander" app. I also much prefer ES but it doesn't write to the SD card. File Commander will let you copy stuff around no problem because it's a pre-loaded app. It doesn't show hidden files unless you fork over some bucks though - to bad Sony didn't just pre-install ES.
Seems you can even uninstall File Commander then re-install it and it still lets you write to the SD card. When I first got my phone I uninstalled File Commander and installed ES. Then discovered ES couldn't write to the SD Card (didn't know why at the time) so I re-installed File Commander and was able to write to the card again.
As for the phone itself, I agree with the others - this is a fantastic phone. I upgraded from a Galaxy Nexus though, so it was quite a jump to this one.
The size is right, performance is great and battery life is awesome.
My minor complaints:
- Sony should have pre-installed a file manager that lets you see hidden files without forking over more money.
- I find the magnetic connector to be a bit of a pain. I prefer the 'pogo pins' in the Nexus for desktop charging.
- The status pulls down when you tap the top of the screen instead of pulling down from the top. I often drop it down unintentionally.
- It's real slippery with the glass back.

thanks guys for all of your responses

The non TMO versions don't seem to have many issues. Its the D6616 (T-Mobile) you should be worried about, according to TMO QC on that model was not great, they are waiting for new batches to get better QC. They told me I was not the only one with multiple exchanges, it's happened at other stores in other states. My first one was actually mailed to me....
That's why I said buy directly from TMO you can sift through the stock and pick. If you get the D6616 from Sony and get a bad apple won't be as easy, you have to do a warranty replacement which takes time.

Mine also none problem.
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I've had the phone for 2 weeks. Here are the cons of this phone:
-128 gb storage SD is more space than I currently need
-Phone looks so nice, I'm worried someone will want to steal it
-I had to stretch a lot farther on my last phone to hit the power buttons, so now my hand isn't sore anymore. This leads to the ability to masturbate more, which is becoming addictive for me, thus a problem.
-The feel is so perfect that everything else in the world seems pale in comparison
-So many people ask me about my phone when I see it that I'm running out of room for facebook friends
-Too many girls want to have sex with me because I own the Z3 and it's distracting me from work.
Other than that, great phone. Would recommend to the OP

Screen is too blue. Auto mode on camera comes out awful. Speaker notifications only come out of one speaker. Message tones are too quiet. Tap to wake doesn't always work. Speakers crackle with some sounds/video's/youtube etc. SD port flap is not flush with phone. Too many fingerprints on back of black phone. Apps force close here and there. Wallpaper takes too long to load once unlocked. Lockscreen can take too long to come up. Apps lock up sometimes so trying to get back to homescreen sometimes lags.
I'm sure there's more, but it's far from perfect.
Nice phone though and it is waterproof.

Couple of issues difficult to root and lack of custom roms.
Screen size bit small.
Camera not as good as note 4.
Very slippery but still like the finish.
Internal memory.
Overall nice looking phone not quite high range at best when compared to Note 4. Much better then Z2 but not enough of an upgrade.

No problems that I can find so far. I hate reading these forums just for this reason too. One thing I have noticed which doesn't bother me but not sure if it's suppose to be this way is that the power button has a bit of a wobble from side to side to it. Also, yea it's very slippery so hopefully nothing happens before I get my TPU case for it haha.

dannycalgary said:
No problems that I can find so far. I hate reading these forums just for this reason too. One thing I have noticed which doesn't bother me but not sure if it's suppose to be this way is that the power button has a bit of a wobble from side to side to it. Also, yea it's very slippery so hopefully nothing happens before I get my TPU case for it haha.
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The light wobble is normal nothing to worry about.

abhinav.tella said:
The light wobble is normal nothing to worry about.
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I figured as much, but thought I'd share. Thanks for reassuring though!

abhinav.tella said:
The non TMO versions dont seem to have many issues. Its the D6616 (T-Mobile) you should be worried about, according to TMO QC on that model was not great, they are waiting for new batches to get better QC. They told me I was not the only one with multiple exchanges, its happened at other stores in other states. My first one was actually mailed to me....
Thats why I said buy directly from TMO you can sift through the stock and pick. If you get the D6616 from Sony and get a bad apple wont be as easy, you have to do a warranty replacement which takes time.
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I must be lucky as my Tmo one has been top notch.
The only issue I'm seeing is Tmo blocks tethering. But as I understand it all grandfathered plans will be dropped and the Simple Choice plans have a bucket of Tether anyway.

jonshipman said:
I must be lucky as my Tmo one has been top notch.
The only issue I'm seeing is Tmo blocks tethering. But as I understand it all grandfathered plans will be dropped and the Simple Choice plans have a bucket of Tether anyway.
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Yea the tethering part does suck, Im sure there must be work arounds.

abhinav.tella said:
Yea the tethering part does suck, Im sure there must be work arounds.
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So far, ix-nay. All the ones I've found have been disabled on the Z3. Can't even add dun to the APN types and there's a Kitkat bug where Foxfi won't work.
But, like I say, in maybe a month everyone on tmobile post-pay will have a tethering plan anyway. They're dropping old grandfathered plans.

I have a D6616 that I got on day 1 of the T-Mobile release and I have had zero problems with the phone. The stock messenger app is terrible coming from a LG G3, but other than that I have no complaints at all.

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I have a D6616 that I got on day 1 of the T-Mobile release and I have had zero problems with the phone. The stock messenger app is terrible coming from a LG G3, but other than that I have no complaints at all.
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Hangouts is pretty much replacing the stock messenger, just like stock browser was replaced by Chrome.

[Q] Talk me out of getting a G Flex 2

So we've all read and watched review after review of the laggy, thermal throttling, flop of a device the G Flex 2 is. Nonetheless, I'm still interested in this device, and I do not know why. Maybe because I enjoy tinkering and using tech that others don't. Maybe because reading some owners' reviews here seem to paint a different picture.
Are you happy with this device and feel a lot of the issues were addressed?
The only thing holding me back is the total lack of a dev community. This seems to be held up by a current un-unlockable bootloader, correct? I really don't like skinned Android, but have honestly never used LG's skin before. If a CM or stock port could be guaranteed I think I'd pull the trigger on this.
Thoughts?

dimex said:
So we've all read and watched review after review of the laggy, thermal throttling, flop of a device the G Flex 2 is. Nonetheless, I'm still interested in this device, and I do not know why. Maybe because I enjoy tinkering and using tech that others don't. Maybe because reading some owners' reviews here seem to paint a different picture.
Are you happy with this device and feel a lot of the issues were addressed?
The only thing holding me back is the total lack of a dev community. This seems to be held up by a current un-unlockable bootloader, correct? I really don't like skinned Android, but have honestly never used LG's skin before. If a CM or stock port could be guaranteed I think I'd pull the trigger on this.
Thoughts?
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There are no guarantees but I am happy with my choice. I use the us model which has 3 GB of ram. Never even had one stutter. It also does not get very warm like my nexus 6 did. The only downfall I have is being on at&t I will likely never see an update.
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Well, here it goes..
First of all, I have H955 version ( 16gb/2gb).
A couple of days ago , I read that a 5.1.1 update is starting to roll out, which is pretty great, taking the fact that many MANY other devices are still on 4.4 and 5.0. That said, a user that got the update , said that now we have an option for OEM unlock, which is a step closer for getting custom roms ( at least, I think ). Also, update also brings some under the hood optimizations , such is less buggy home and lower temperature while using the phone.
Now, my opinions with the current 5.0.1 - and you have to believe me on this - I have no lags. At all. Those slow downs are just not there - luncher gets reset sometimes after using chrome, and the phone gets hotter when using it for a long period of time, but other than that.. Phone works awesome, apps open instantly, launcher is not buggy etc..
Next the heating issue - it is only there when I play games, browse in chrome for some time (although, sometimes faster , after 2,3 minutes of browsing - dont know why).
The screen - this is very IMPORTANT . Some users, like me, have yellow spots on display when there is a grey background - only visible on that and maybe some greyish bcgrnds AND with brightness turned to 0%.. A say this is important because it can be annoying from time to time - IF YOU CAN SEE IT! Some users have no such issue (if it is an issue). It is a part of production process etc etc etc.
To summarize - I like my g flex 2 . You can see that from all the above. It is great looking, fast phone with great camera. What else is there not to like? It is a personal preference though. There are many great phones out there, like the upcoming LG G4, SG Note 4, HTC OneM9 and many other phones. If you ask me , I would always choose flex 2, and with the upcoming 5.1 android (I cant wait for it) it is a win. I am aware that many users are reporting lags and issues with the phone but I dont have them.
Take your time. Take in consideration , for example , new LG G4. Talk to someone else who has this phone. But in the end, dont let someone convince you in to buying any phone - you will be using it, and you will have to live with its pros and cons. Big text, I know, live long and prosper.

And I think the same way. Is it possible that the G Flex 2 so bad? I have a G3 with CM based rom and I am very pleased with it. But the design of the G Flex 2 like very much. Weak development support for it worries me and if so I'll probably have to skip it.

dimex said:
So we've all read and watched review after review of the laggy, thermal throttling, flop of a device the G Flex 2 is. Nonetheless, I'm still interested in this device, and I do not know why. Maybe because I enjoy tinkering and using tech that others don't. Maybe because reading some owners' reviews here seem to paint a different picture.
Are you happy with this device and feel a lot of the issues were addressed?
The only thing holding me back is the total lack of a dev community. This seems to be held up by a current un-unlockable bootloader, correct? I really don't like skinned Android, but have honestly never used LG's skin before. If a CM or stock port could be guaranteed I think I'd pull the trigger on this.
Thoughts?
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If you can, i suggest that you wait 2-3 months. Not only for price drop but to see how the other 810 phones settle down. If you read reviews of other810 phones and check their performance all seem to suffer fron the same problems. For example xiaomi mi note pro, nubia z9,htc m9, even oneplus 2. If you like big dev community oneplus 2 is your choise.
I personally bought flex2 because we had in greece a big discount for only one day 300euro unlocked. If i had missed the discount i would have waited 2-3 months

dimex said:
So we've all read and watched review after review of the laggy, thermal throttling, flop of a device the G Flex 2 is. Nonetheless, I'm still interested in this device, and I do not know why. Maybe because I enjoy tinkering and using tech that others don't. Maybe because reading some owners' reviews here seem to paint a different picture.
Are you happy with this device and feel a lot of the issues were addressed?
The only thing holding me back is the total lack of a dev community. This seems to be held up by a current un-unlockable bootloader, correct? I really don't like skinned Android, but have honestly never used LG's skin before. If a CM or stock port could be guaranteed I think I'd pull the trigger on this.
Thoughts?
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For me this is my 6th phone in one year so I can compare pretty good.
I must say it is not a bad phone. Have some lag here and there but it is manageable. It is not that smooth as an oneplus one for instance.
The heating is there, don't expect to play games for long, as the heating eats the battery.
General Battery performance is ok, I have there no complaints.
I also like the camera it is one of the best I used so far.
I think this is a solid phone but the standard price is just to high. If you pay the full price I would not go for the Flex. For that money you are better of with a more standard phone like the G4. It is more reliable and will get more attention during the years.
I got my for 400USD, for that I think it is okay, but still not that good value as an oneplus one.
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I really love mine although I had my problems with it at first. Mine had a tendency to thermal throttle fairly easily but even then it was quite fast and smooth. After adding a copper shim and modifying the thermal configuration file I like it a lot more. Although it wasn't slow before it's now even smoother and faster. I have the AT&T 3GB version which seems to not suffer from the kind of lag the 2GB version initially had. I'm also really impressed at how many apps I can open without them closing in the background. Battery life is about the same as my Galaxy S4 with a 3000mah battery. It really depends on what you do. It has great standby time but if you push it really hard like a complex 3d game it may not be so great. On normal use I get about 4 to 5 hours of on screen time. Mine also came with light yellowish tint that really wasn't very obvious unless I had a white or grey background. I still asked AT&T for a replacement and the new one came with a much even toned display and no more yellow.

dimex said:
So we've all read and watched review after review of the laggy, thermal throttling, flop of a device the G Flex 2 is. Nonetheless, I'm still interested in this device, and I do not know why. Maybe because I enjoy tinkering and using tech that others don't. Maybe because reading some owners' reviews here seem to paint a different picture.
Are you happy with this device and feel a lot of the issues were addressed?
The only thing holding me back is the total lack of a dev community. This seems to be held up by a current un-unlockable bootloader, correct? I really don't like skinned Android, but have honestly never used LG's skin before. If a CM or stock port could be guaranteed I think I'd pull the trigger on this.
Thoughts?
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Best thing to do is wait a bit if you can, just to see if development picks up.

Thanks everyone for your feedback. Ya, this phone interested me for some reason.
I'll keep checking back.

My 50 cent's
G3 is a little smaller with same screen size, a lot better resolution (i can see pixels on G Flex2 from close distance) on a nearly half the price, so it is up to You
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G3 is looking better (but this is personal teist)
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I have G3 and from 2 days is using Flex2

I love the Flex 2. it's a great phone. i am using it since release in Germany and in the first two weeks it gets very fast very hot, but since an update everything is fine. Great battery life, a lot of Power. But if i can change it, i would pick the 3GB RAM model

I dont have the phone either so im in the same boat as you. I would wait for the g4 to come out not just because its going to be an amazing phone. But if lg is using some unlockable bootloader they will probably use it on the g4 as well and if that happens it will get unlocked much faster since its a flag ship. With any luck then that can be applied to the g flex and cm for all.

TheAxiks said:
I love the Flex 2. it's a great phone. i am using it since release in Germany and in the first two weeks it gets very fast very hot, but since an update everything is fine. Great battery life, a lot of Power. But if i can change it, i would pick the 3GB RAM model
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I also have the 2gb ddr4 version. The 3gb version has ddr3 or ddr4?

kutulu32 said:
I also have the 2gb ddr4 version. The 3gb version has ddr3 or ddr4?
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I didn't think the Snapdragon 810 could use anything but DDR4. Honestly I don't think there's a way to tell but considering how much the 3GB version costs as well I would assume it does have DDR4.

you are probably right! I just couldn't confirm it 100% the reason that the difference doesn't show up in benchmarks maybe be fault in memory controller. lol

I got a really good price for the phone so I'm biased. That being said I did go for the phone because of the design itself and it's not a choice that I regret.
For the first couple of days having the phone I did experience the overheating issue. I tend to back up my devices and reset them often and in this case I found that a full factory restore solved the overheating issue.
As for the lag it's noticeable from time to time if you have multiple things going on at once like playing a game while downloading files while streaming music.
As stated earlier with the g4 right around the corner I was certainly wait and see how that one pans out giving its going to have that much better of a system on the inside, and possibly the ability to use custom roms, which I do miss.
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I had the LS996 (32GB/2GB) version of G Flex 2. It is freakin terrible. If I wasn't so busy this past month, I would've traded it in. It was so bad that I spent a hundred dollars and got a GS5. Even after the ZV5 update and the thermal and hotplug mods I've made, it still over heated, froze, and lagged... I called it quits when I started having to do a force shut down (holding the power button until the phone turns off).

I have the 32GB / 2GB model. In my experience, the screen is a little grainy, but I'm fine with it. With the latest 10d update, the phone is a lot cooler, although it will still thermal throttle after some usage. Performance is a lot better as well, but it still can be improved. It continues to freeze in Chrome, so I use the stock web browser that comes with it. When the phone is hot, browsing through menus becomes sluggish and slow, something I really hope they will fix. Battery life is okay, but when you start playing games, or do any processor intensive stuff, it becomes real bad. (Probably the Snapdragon 810's fault) Camera photos are a little washed out, not as sharp as other phone cameras out there, but it produces very vibrant colours. Focusing is a little slow at times, laser focus not working too well, especially up close to an object. The self-healing back isn't doing a very good job. Just being in my pocket (with nothing else) and placing the phone on some tables, it has collected up many scratches. Screen brightness doesn't go very low, so I use an app called Lux to take care of that.
The Dual Window feature is limited to certain apps, unlike Samsung's Multi-Window, but at least it's there. QSlide is useless for me, and so is Quick Memo. Knockcode, on the other hand, is nice to have, very convenient to unlock the phone with one hand. But if you happen to use face unlock, it might interfere with knock code, and you might end up just locking the phone by using the double tap feature, since the phone unlocks when you are still knocking the code.
It's still running Android 5.0.1, so I hope all of this can change with the 5.1 update or when Android M gets released in the future.
I got this phone, because I wanted to try something new. It's a curved screen that can bend, of course it would catch my eye. Even hearing about all the overheating problems, I decided to invest in this two years journey with this phone. Overall, I regretted, an S6 is a better choice in my opinion, it runs a lot better. But if you are all-in for the curved screen, I suggest you wait a while more to see how this phone performs in future updates.

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I have the 32GB / 2GB model. In my experience, the screen is a little grainy, but I'm fine with it. With the latest 10d update, the phone is a lot cooler, although it will still thermal throttle after some usage. Performance is a lot better as well, but it still can be improved. It continues to freeze in Chrome, so I use the stock web browser that comes with it. When the phone is hot, browsing through menus becomes sluggish and slow, something I really hope they will fix. Battery life is okay, but when you start playing games, or do any processor intensive stuff, it becomes real bad. (Probably the Snapdragon 810's fault) Camera photos are a little washed out, not as sharp as other phone cameras out there, but it produces very vibrant colours. Focusing is a little slow at times, laser focus not working too well, especially up close to an object. The self-healing back isn't doing a very good job. Just being in my pocket (with nothing else) and placing the phone on some tables, it has collected up many scratches. Screen brightness doesn't go very low, so I use an app called Lux to take care of that.
The Dual Window feature is limited to certain apps, unlike Samsung's Multi-Window, but at least it's there. QSlide is useless for me, and so is Quick Memo. Knockcode, on the other hand, is nice to have, very convenient to unlock the phone with one hand. But if you happen to use face unlock, it might interfere with knock code, and you might end up just locking the phone by using the double tap feature, since the phone unlocks when you are still knocking the code.
It's still running Android 5.0.1, so I hope all of this can change with the 5.1 update or when Android M gets released in the future.
I got this phone, because I wanted to try something new. It's a curved screen that can bend, of course it would catch my eye. Even hearing about all the overheating problems, I decided to invest in this two years journey with this phone. Overall, I regretted, an S6 is a better choice in my opinion, it runs a lot better. But if you are all-in for the curved screen, I suggest you wait a while more to see how this phone performs in future updates.
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For the dual window there is a mod if you check the android developement thread. It needs editing build. prop. It works ok as far as i experienced.

kutulu32 said:
For the dual window there is a mod if you check the android developement thread. It needs editing build. prop. It works ok as far as i experienced.
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Yeah, was using it until the 10d update. There seems to be a problem during the rooting process after the update, so I can't use the mod now.

Quick opinion on someone who has the phone...

I, like most of you, was waiting impatiently for this device for the past few weeks. I was given a retail model on Thursday early and wanted to let my thoughts after 48 hours.
I have to say I haven't been this disappointed in a phone in a while. While the phone is a looker, fundamentals are quite lacking.
Battery life - Same as the S7 and that's not a good thing. Has the same inconsistent issues of quick drains while running idle. As an example, was working on my house yesterday for roughly 4 hours and left the phone down with out being touched. Left it at 90% and came back at 74%. Again no usage. I have 3 other Android phones with more apps running and this doesn't happen except on Samsung. They will never change in this regard. Every year I have hope and get sucked into buying one. Same results.
Fingerprint sensor- I was one of the people that thought all the complaining was unwarranted about the fingerprint sensor placement. I thought this is just an issue for certain people with finger dexterity issues or just looking for something to complain about. Boy was I wrong. It's actually worse! It works maybe75% of the time and that is only using my right hand. Forget about the left hand.. way too awkward and difficult to do with one hand. At first, I thought no biggie, I'll just use face scanning or supplement with Iris scanning. Face scanning again is hit and miss and forget about Iris scanning if you are anywhere outside of bright light. I had the note 7 and that seemed to work a ton better. Maybe a software fix coming? Back to the fingerprint issue.. Samsung Pay doesn't even come preloaded on the phone! Why?!?! Because the NFC chip is on back so have fun using the sensor and holding it to a pay device. I was perplexed how this was a main selling point with the s and note series of last year and how it couldn't be preloaded. Hell it is on the gear S3. I used it 3 times yesterday at 3 different stores. I had to hold the phone upside down and the back facing the terminal. Picture that for a second... Holding your finger on a sensor which is located on the back and also having to have the back of the phone facing the CC reader at the same time. It's unreal. It's absolutely crazy that they threw this phone with the sensor placement at last minute and gathered...Oh yeah how are they going to use Pay? Ah just don't preload it and we won't get so many complaints. If you think I'm full of it.. go try it.
As mentioned with unlocking with the fingerprint, the new home button is virtually useless. I am trying to understand why they are trying to reinvent the wheel and not just use the tried and true method that every Android manufacturer has used for the past few years. It takes a ridiculous amount of time to unlock this phone. Too many steps.touch the side button or home button, wait for face unlock to work and if it doesn't then do finger gynastics with the fingerprint sensor. Seriously I wind up just using pattern after both fail. I use my V20 as my DD and it's 100% unlocking with the fingerprint on one touch Everytime. What the [email protected]#&$ were you thinking Samsung?
Audio - I love music and media and I am a wanna be audiophile. The headphone jack output and sound is no better than the S7. Lower output than most phones and music has a tight soundstage. Sound is tinny and missing elements you would hear on other high end phones. The Bluetooth audio is actually better but that was the same as the S7. It's nothing to write home about to be honest. I knew it wasn't going to be V20 quality but I was hoping for better with the akg tuning and Harmon partnership.Maybe those changes will come to the note 8?
Not all is bad with the phone, I love the screen and how I missed wireless charging! But there are fundamental ergonomic design issues that make this phone clumsy to use day to day. It's like you have to think to unlock it instead of it being second nature. People will see what I mean when they get their device. It feels like Samsung rushed again to market a product. I am praying that the note 8 is the next big thing.

sillyphillie said:
It feels like Samsung rushed again to market a product.
I am praying that the note 8 is the next big thing.
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How is this "rushed"? Samsung has had a full year since last year's Galaxy S7, and all the manufacturers have a team actually start working on the NEXT release before they launch the current one. So, OVER a year.
Are you suggesting Samsung do what Apple does? Release a new phone EVERY TWO YEARS? And then the ones in between are just to fix what they screwed up? iPhone 4S = iPhone 4 antenna fiasco fix.
And as for "big", the Notes are TOO big. I will never own a Note phablet.

Just giving my take. This phone is definitely not ready for prime time in my opinion. RAM management is also an issue I forgot to list but that has always been an issue with Samsung so nothing to see here on that. Knew that coming in. Just disappointed they didn't do much to address. Again these are my opinions.
Camera is definitely improved though... Sweet shots I'm getting.

Samsung pay didn't come preloaded in my Verizon S7 Edge, I had to download it. But I do see what you're saying about paying with your fingerprint. But I, myself, have the gear S3 so feel there's no need to use Samsung pay on my phone since the watch does it.

sillyphillie said:
Just giving my take. This phone is definitely not ready for prime time in my opinion. RAM management is also an issue I forgot to list but that has always been an issue with Samsung so nothing to see here on that. Knew that coming in. Just disappointed they didn't do much to address. Again these are my opinions.
Camera is definitely improved though... Sweet shots I'm getting.
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It may not be ready for Prime Time, but they had plenty of time. Any design failures is on Samsung -- their skill set, their design/manufacturing expertise.
Whereas "rushed" is like Google's 2016 Pixel with the HUGE bezels because Huawei turned them down for a Google Pixel phone with no manufacturer branding, and they had to go to HTC and use a re-purposed frame HTC already had -- and they only had 9 months to design/test/release a phone. THAT is "rushed". They couldn't even make it waterproof like they wanted because they ran out of time.
The Pixel and Pixel XL aren’t waterproof because Google ‘ran out of time’
http://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-xl-waterproof-724120/
According to Pierce, when he asked Google why its phone isn’t waterproof, its response was, rather simply: “We ran out of time”.
Pierce states that the development cycle for the smartphone was uncharacteristically short, reportedly “nine months and a week” from design to launch, as Google abandoned its original plans for the phone at the end of 2015.
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Samsung has no such excuses, unless you are just saying they are incompetent.

I completely agree hence why I sold my pixel months ago. I'm not saying other manufacturers aren't rushing either. Just making a note that Samsung is as well. Anyway.. my take as someone who has the phone already. Hoping software fixes some of the concerns. But that fingerprint sensor and Samsung pay is there to stay.

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Whereas "rushed" is like Google's 2016 Pixel with the HUGE bezels because Huawei turned them down for a Google Pixel phone with no manufacturer branding, and they had to go to HTC and use a re-purposed frame HTC already had
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Come on its a brand new design... http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8346&idPhone2=8297
Any phone coming out after the s8 and g6 with ugly ass bezels will be dead on arrival, lets see if htc has enough time to shrink those bezel's.

Re: Samsung pay, there are more than a few phones with rear fingerprint scanners and NFC chips that have been out for some time. I've never found this an issue nor have I heard complaints like this. As of right now the technology you're longing for (a front facing under the screen fingerprint scanner, since that's the only feasible alternative with the infinity display) simply hasn't been released. Unfortunately, the reality is it's these shortcomings that are debatably left out (intentionally?) to keep interest in the next iteration and keep overhead down. Hence why we never get the perfect smart phone. I'll you know when I get the device but I assume it's no different then the others: shiny, new, with some improvements, likely the best phone out, but still short of the perfect phone. (Never get too high of expectations, these companies are here to be profitable) I had the G6 all of 2 days before I was left unimpressed, hopefully that's not the case with the S8.
Oh well take my money. Thanks for the write up!
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Come on its a brand new design... http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=8346&idPhone2=8297
Any phone coming out after the s8 and g6 with ugly ass bezels will be dead on arrival, lets see if htc has enough time to shrink those bezel's.
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HTC is screwed if the renditions/leaks are accurate. Still has same general design and big ol bezels

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I, like most of you, was waiting impatiently for this device for the past few weeks. I was given a retail model on Thursday early and wanted to let my thoughts after 48 hours.
I have to say I haven't been this disappointed in a phone in a while. While the phone is a looker, fundamentals are quite lacking.
Battery life - Same as the S7 and that's not a good thing. Has the same inconsistent issues of quick drains while running idle. As an example, was working on my house yesterday for roughly 4 hours and left the phone down with out being touched. Left it at 90% and came back at 74%. Again no usage. I have 3 other Android phones with more apps running and this doesn't happen except on Samsung. They will never change in this regard. Every year I have hope and get sucked into buying one. Same results.
Fingerprint sensor- I was one of the people that thought all the complaining was unwarranted about the fingerprint sensor placement. I thought this is just an issue for certain people with finger dexterity issues or just looking for something to complain about. Boy was I wrong. It's actually worse! It works maybe75% of the time and that is only using my right hand. Forget about the left hand.. way too awkward and difficult to do with one hand. At first, I thought no biggie, I'll just use face scanning or supplement with Iris scanning. Face scanning again is hit and miss and forget about Iris scanning if you are anywhere outside of bright light. I had the note 7 and that seemed to work a ton better. Maybe a software fix coming? Back to the fingerprint issue.. Samsung Pay doesn't even come preloaded on the phone! Why?!?! Because the NFC chip is on back so have fun using the sensor and holding it to a pay device. I was perplexed how this was a main selling point with the s and note series of last year and how it couldn't be preloaded. Hell it is on the gear S3. I used it 3 times yesterday at 3 different stores. I had to hold the phone upside down and the back facing the terminal. Picture that for a second... Holding your finger on a sensor which is located on the back and also having to have the back of the phone facing the CC reader at the same time. It's unreal. It's absolutely crazy that they threw this phone with the sensor placement at last minute and gathered...Oh yeah how are they going to use Pay? Ah just don't preload it and we won't get so many complaints. If you think I'm full of it.. go try it.
As mentioned with unlocking with the fingerprint, the new home button is virtually useless. I am trying to understand why they are trying to reinvent the wheel and not just use the tried and true method that every Android manufacturer has used for the past few years. It takes a ridiculous amount of time to unlock this phone. Too many steps.touch the side button or home button, wait for face unlock to work and if it doesn't then do finger gynastics with the fingerprint sensor. Seriously I wind up just using pattern after both fail. I use my V20 as my DD and it's 100% unlocking with the fingerprint on one touch Everytime. What the [email protected]#&$ were you thinking Samsung?
Audio - I love music and media and I am a wanna be audiophile. The headphone jack output and sound is no better than the S7. Lower output than most phones and music has a tight soundstage. Sound is tinny and missing elements you would hear on other high end phones. The Bluetooth audio is actually better but that was the same as the S7. It's nothing to write home about to be honest. I knew it wasn't going to be V20 quality but I was hoping for better with the akg tuning and Harmon partnership.Maybe those changes will come to the note 8?
Not all is bad with the phone, I love the screen and how I missed wireless charging! But there are fundamental ergonomic design issues that make this phone clumsy to use day to day. It's like you have to think to unlock it instead of it being second nature. People will see what I mean when they get their device. It feels like Samsung rushed again to market a product. I am praying that the note 8 is the next big thing.
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I have never used a fingerprint scanner or whatever on a phone, just good old passcode/pattern. It blows my mind people getting all uppity (no you, people in general) over a freaking unlock method to their phone. It's like a new Porsche/Mercedes and instead of talking about its performance people get all hung up on the palm sensor to unlock the door all the while they have the keys. Phones are all about the screen and apps, etc. Who gives a hoot about a stupid fingerprint sensor.

i plan to use samsung pay with Pin instead of fingerprint since it' on the back

Should we cancel our pre-orders then? I'd be more than happy to stick with my Note 4 than pay £55 a month for the next 2 years.

The funny thing about this bezel less design is I really think it's more beauty than function. Maybe it's the bezel less combined with the edge display but I feel less secure with this phone. I have a gs7 and lgv20 I keep referencing back to and when you are out and about the flat display lends to more secure in the hand feel. Maybe even more comfort.
Every year we hear how awesome a phone is from MWC through the first round of reviews. I'm really wanting to know what the consensus will be on this phone. The LG G6 was a darling when announced now the shine has come way off and people are finding out the size and feel are not what's it's cracked up to be. I'm going to give this phone more time and hope it grows on me.

The Phone Company said:
Should we cancel our pre-orders then? I'd be more than happy to stick with my Note 4 than pay £55 a month for the next 2 years.
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everyone's got a different opinion... i am still happy to proceed with my s8 plus, and keep in mind... these folks complainin abt battery life are the US models running SD... and we've got exynos

Is Exnos a more thrifty battery chip?
I will get the EU model in any case.

Satisfied or not ?

Hello everyone,
This is not a question but a feedback.
The perfect smartphone may never exist, but I am satisfied with my Galaxy S8 +, although I should encounter problems with it in the future, I must admit that it is a very good smartphone. I had a Galaxy S7 Edge then a Huawei P9 just before, but I did not feel like having a new product, they all looked alike.
My experience has changed with the S8 + that I find very successful, although still perfectible ....
excuse my bad English.
thank you

jidamo said:
Hello everyone,
This is not a question but a feedback.
The perfect smartphone may never exist, but I am satisfied with my Galaxy S8 +, although I should encounter problems with it in the future, I must admit that it is a very good smartphone. I had a Galaxy S7 Edge then a Huawei P9 just before, but I did not feel like having a new product, they all looked alike.
My experience has changed with the S8 + that I find very successful, although still perfectible ....
excuse my bad English.
thank you
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This device is pretty damned good. I look forward to the full implementation of Bixby though. The only bad thing is that TMobile didn't have the case I wanted so I didn't get one, and I dropped the phone the next morning and shattered the back of the phone.

overall ok. but I hate where the fingerprint scanner is. I had an LG v20 so coming from a logical spot middle of back easy to get to, to s8+ up top is incredibly stupid. I highly doubt any new phones they bring out will be at the top....

tommason1968 said:
This device is pretty damned good. I look forward to the full implementation of Bixby though. The only bad thing is that TMobile didn't have the case I wanted so I didn't get one, and I dropped the phone the next morning and shattered the back of the phone.
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Wooooow! I just shed a lone tear my friend

I have to say. I loved the note 7 and was heart broken that I had to return it. This phone has all the features the note 7 had and then some. I'm really loving it. The only problem is the position of the finger print scanner. Other than that it's the best Smart phone I've ever owned.
Sent from my SM-G955U using XDA-Developers Legacy app

Completely agree with other posters here, everything except the fingerprint scanner location is perfect. I'm using face unlock, which is really not as unsafe as some videos show. I tried to take a picture from a perfect angle and hold it in front of the phone in all kinds of different angles, and it never unlocked once. I actually believe that YouTubers who did videos on how you can unlock the phone with a picture used trickery to make it look like a picture unlocked the phone, since in some of their videos you can see their head shadow hovering over the phone. The phone could scan their faces from further away in an area cropped out of view on the video, and videos exposing Samsung are sure to make waves around the web
Everything about hardware and software is as perfect as it can be, the black model really does feel like a black slab of glass with a massive display, the dream of Steve Jobs realized before Apple. People who complain about the RAM amount being "only" 4GB have never used the phone, apps from 8 hours ago are most of the time still open in the background. It is great futureproofing to have more RAM, but right now, phones with 6GB almost never even use the extra 2GB, because there is simply no need for it at this day and time
Benchmarking to see performance is kind of dumb and unpredictable, I think that a better way of describing the S8 performance is that not a single game I've tested (over 20 and counting) has had an FPS below 30 on max settings. Not a single complaint about the entire phone, the fingerprint scanner location is a non-issue for me, because I don't use it. I would honestly give this phone a 9.5 / 10 rating, only bad side being that to unlock the phone in dark I have to reach for the scanner

It's an exciting thrill ride! Enjoy it and XDA

Great phone! I have no issues with the fingerprint scanner placement. Just takes getting use too.

*Hooligan* said:
Great phone! I have no issues with the fingerprint scanner placement. Just takes getting use too.
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Same it's fast and easy plus the way I grip the phone is on base(middle) all I do is slide it til I feel the first thing... but I'm a righty so it might be easier for me

Question Exynos users without problems?

Are there any exynos users without facing problems with the device ?

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Are there any exynos users without facing problems with the device ?
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Me. So far. 128gb/8g burgundy. Find it runs normally. Smooth, battery seems OK.
Famous last words

It speaks volumes about the S22 Exynos devices that there is a thread with the title, "Exynos users without problems?".

it's common , problems to be heard first ... but let's see how many users don't...

GSMArena released their review of the S22+, they said Exynos performs great but its inconsistent and they assume its software. Looking at everyone's phone they are on January patch, so I would hope there is a big one coming this week.

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GSMArena released their review of the S22+, they said Exynos performs great but its inconsistent and they assume its software. Looking at everyone's phone they are on January patch, so I would hope there is a big one coming this week.
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I had something similar with my N20U and S21U when they came out, S21U was horrible the first two days, and Samsung pushed about 4 updates in 15 days for that device

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I had something similar with my N20U and S21U when they came out, S21U was horrible the first two days, and Samsung pushed about 4 updates in 15 days for that device
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That is honestly what Im hoping.

Nghtmare said:
That is honestly what Im hoping.
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It will work out fine you'll see.. I'm waiting for mine on Saturday and I know I'll be facing some stuff when I starting it

Had mine 24 hours and it's brilliant, no lag, great battery life already (40% = 4 SOT) and still learning, S-Pen is very responsive, not felt any heat of the device even playing Mario Kart DS in an emulator it was chill.
I know people want Samsung to fail, it seems they spend a lot of time in Samsung forums searching for issues to highlight but XDA has become toxic. 50% of the people posting in S21U and S22U don't have the phone and just waste time hating on it and posting issues they found online about it with zero experience of it. This is not the XDA I used to spend time in talking about ROMs, modding phones or just ways to get more out of your phone. Now all I see is why that phone of this chipset is crap, how bad battery is, how manufacturers will rue the day they dropped SD Cards, and unlocking breaking the warranty is bad. I'm done with the toxicity, enjoy you trolls and I hope you all one day find your phone so that you too can be positive rather than tearing other peoples choices down.
I am going to request my account be deleted and enjoy the phone I chose.

lywyn said:
Had mine 24 hours and it's brilliant, no lag, great battery life already (40% = 4 SOT) and still learning, S-Pen is very responsive, not felt any heat of the device even playing Mario Kart DS in an emulator it was chill.
I know people want Samsung to fail, it seems they spend a lot of time in Samsung forums searching for issues to highlight but XDA has become toxic. 50% of the people posting in S21U and S22U don't have the phone and just waste time hating on it and posting issues they found online about it with zero experience of it. This is not the XDA I used to spend time in talking about ROMs, modding phones or just ways to get more out of your phone. Now all I see is why that phone of this chipset is crap, how bad battery is, how manufacturers will rue the day they dropped SD Cards, and unlocking breaking the warranty is bad. I'm done with the toxicity, enjoy you trolls and I hope you all one day find your phone so that you too can be positive rather than tearing other peoples choices down.
I am going to request my account be deleted and enjoy the phone I chose.
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or people constantly nagging on how the SPEN is on the "wrong" side lol. I feel this post because I remember joining this forum way back with really old devices just for the fun of rooting. it has now become a place for trolls, haters, marketing experts, etc. Would be sad to see someone from the old school leave.

To clarify this post reason is to understand what is really going on. I have been waiting for the phone day after day and I have definitely been influenced by what I read here. But I really believe that after the first upgrade everything will be adjusted...

I use it for 2 days. No problem yet. My biggest fear was recording the calls. But call recording works perfectly. Battery average, but I believe it will improve.

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I had something similar with my N20U and S21U when they came out, S21U was horrible the first two days, and Samsung pushed about 4 updates in 15 days for that device
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Yeah, I remember that.

Today I've received my 12/256. So far so good. No fingerprint glitch, no YouTube w/WQHD+ glitch

Having issues setting up Samsung pay+, I try to add my natwest card to it as my first card but it says its already added. I can't add natwest card to normal Samsung pay because natwest doesn't support it

Got my S22U/Exy/512gb on thursday, feels a bit sluggish in some applications, like in the early days of counterstrike, when you accidentally had software rendering activated instead of 3dfx/opengl/direct3d .... some of you might know what I mean here
some further bugs:
the screen turns completely black if I scroll up or down a website, that might not have been completely loaded or has some gifs or embededded videos in them. If you scroll fast, you might have turned the screen off so that you have to turn the device back on with a button or double-tap on the screen (even this might not work then) , if you scroll slower and the screen turns black, it might come back to normal if you stop the scrolling.
very strange behaviour, hope(and pretty sure ) samsung does update very soon.....
if not... i'm all in for a root and custom rom

Mine is laggy and my s-pen keeps jamming too!

Absolutely fine so far. I have the 512 GB one. The battery seems to be going a little bit faster than the S21 Ultra, but nothing too bad

efkosk said:
I use it for 2 days. No problem yet. My biggest fear was recording the calls. But call recording works perfectly. Battery average, but I believe it will improve.
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Hi. I will get mine in a few hours What are you using for call recording? Built-in or an app?

Given that only a few users report this and the lines remind me of bad VRAM overclocks on desktop GPUs, I assume it has something to do with silicon lottery and that some RDNA chips are pushed too far. I think Samsung will release an update either bumping the voltage (probably not) or reduce its clocks slightly to fix it.
It is quite likely that it is hardware related since with software there should be more devices being affected at least in a particular use case. But nothing software wouldn't be able to fix. Please note that this only an assumption (!)