Help Understanding Android's Storage Expansion (SDCard Formatted As Internal) - General Questions and Answers

Hi there,
I've been using android for some years now and with time android has allowed users not only to expand the phone storage capability but also format said SDcard as internal so the user can save apps directly on the SDcard.
What I never understood is why we can't we move individual files from internal storage to the now encrypted and formatted as internal SDcard? Is this possible?
The cellphone (running android 8.0) has 32GB internal storage. I installed & expanded the total storage capability with a 64GB A1 SDcard formatted as internal. All working find.
The issue I'm having is that I listen to podcasts & I have a massive selection of songs stored locally on my phone. This has filled up my phone to the point of nagging. Why can't we, after formatting the SDcard as internal, not able to move or at least tell the system (be it via file manger, etc) to store/move X,Z files to the SDcard? We can move apps back and forth so why are we not able to move audio and image files back and forth? So much for the convenience of formatting as internal. No widgets, not able to move files to and fro other than apps.
I've basically 60GB free and the phone wont access it unless it is to install apps. I find this to be an useless behavior. For those of us who would like to have a 100% encrypted phone/storage, this is useless as keeping the SDcard as external storage is the one way of fully taking advantage of it.
Thanks

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[Q] Internal, External SD card and moving apps + data

I searched about this but I don't really fully understand it yet:
I got an Samsung Galaxy S (rooted) and just bought an 16GB microSD for it and now want to move my apps from the internal phone space to the external SD card.
As far as I understand many of the "bigger" apps like games have two parts.. one executable part and then the data part.
On my /sdcard subfolder (thats the internal sd) for example I have many folders made by apps which include various data (sounds for games etc..).
I would like to move it ALL (the apps executables and the additional data) onto my external SD card (/sdcard/external_sd) - how do I do this and what do I need?
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My firmware is 2.2 JPO rooted. I understood so far that I need a program like app2sd to move (most) apps and with the ModInstallLocation App I could even get the rest to move over to the external SD right?
But what wonders me: I tried App2SD out for AngryBirds.. or rather used the built-in button in the application details - but still the external_sd folder was empty when I browsed it afterwards. Shouldn't there be something in there now that I moved the angrybirds?
And secondly - what happens with the data thats located in the /sdcard folder? Will those be moved to the /sdcard/external_sd folder automatically when I move an app to the SD or do I have to manually do it. If manually.. does simply moving it from /sdcard to /sdcard/external_sd work and the data is still found or does it get more complicated?
I'm sorry if this is a simple thing, I just want to make sure I fully understand how to move both the app itself and the data onto the external sd.
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And while I'm at it: Is it also possible to make backups with clockworkmod onto/from the external sd or only the internal? when I made my backups they all got stored in /sdcard/clockworkmod/backup folder.
Thanks for reading, hope someone can explain it to me quick or lead me to a place where its fully explained.
ok so I just noticed that the apps you move seem not to be "visible" on the sd-card but I noticed a change in the free space when I moved some around.
But will this "move" also include those files from the /sdcard (internal SD) directory to the external sd?
zroice said:
ok so I just noticed that the apps you move seem not to be "visible" on the sd-card but I noticed a change in the free space when I moved some around.
But will this "move" also include those files from the /sdcard (internal SD) directory to the external sd?
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I am wondering the same thing, but about the LG Optimus 2X Speed.
It has an internal SD card. If you mount your own SD it is mounted under //mnt/sdcard/_ExternalSD. How can I install apps to the external SD?
When programs are talking about moving apps to SD, they mean /mnt/sdcard (this is the /sdcard yo are talking about, /mnt/sdcard is its real path).
This means they move the apps from internal system access only memory (i.e. /data or /system) to the user accessable /mnt/sdcard/.
Only apps that are programmed to support this can be moved to /sdcard.
Sadly moving apps to /mnt/sdcard/external_sd (this is the actual SD card that you can remove) is not supported in android 2.2.
Dark3n said:
When programs are talking about moving apps to SD, they mean /mnt/sdcard (this is the /sdcard yo are talking about, /mnt/sdcard is its real path).
This means they move the apps from internal system access only memory (i.e. /data or /system) to the user accessable /mnt/sdcard/.
Only apps that are programmed to support this can be moved to /sdcard.
Sadly moving apps to /mnt/sdcard/external_sd (this is the actual SD card that you can remove) is not supported in android 2.2.
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Hi,
I know it's an old topic, but what's about android 2.3 or higher? Is it still impossible to move apps to the external SD?
Thanks,
Philippe
I think only custom ROMs like TYPHOON can do this even w/o support build in application. The best is using APP2SD and dont care where the applications are. I have more than 100APPs on my phone now :]

[RANT]Mount Points for Internal/External Storage

Can we please all come together and agree on how to mount internal/external storage?
I had Bionix flashed and downloaded a new rom from a different dev. I rebooted into recovery and did the usual wipage before flashing to the new rom... except I forgot that Bionix mounts the SD card under External SD (I'm used to CM7), so every Android app sees the internal storage when saving files, instead of the external SD card. So now I have to reinstall an old rom just so I can re-download the files and move to SD card in order to flash the new rom.
This is getting ridiculous. I really don't care where the mount points are, I just wish they'd be consistent among the different devs.
*steps down off soap box*
I agree with you. Although I'd rather stick with the stock scheme of /mnt/sdcard/_ExternalSD. JM2C
I wouldn't. I'd rather the SD card be "SDCARD" and the internal storage be under mmc.
The thing is stock roms have it screwed up. They have SDCard as internal and SDCard/External as the micro. Plain confusing. Why have the microSD card as a folder on the internal.
They both need separate locations. The good thing about having the SDCard as the microSD card is that programs that usually write data to that location would be saving it to the removable disk vs internal storage. For Example Launcher Pro stores its backup to /SDCard. If my phone screws up or takes a swim... my LP backup is gone vs the microSD card would likely survive.
I say put the internal storage on MMC like CM has it. Load it up with music or videos and be done. Let the apps install backups and data to the microSD card so they are secured across devices.
Honestly, coming from a N1, I don't even know what to do with the 8gb internal storage. I'll probably throw my music on there to free up space on my 16gb microSD.

[Q] What is USB Storage?

Hi everyone,
My Galaxy Ace Plus is my first Android phone, and since I bought it several months ago I was confused because I found 3 memory locations on my device: the Internal Storage, USB Storage, and the External Memory card that I added.
I can't really understand what the USB Storage is?
In fact I made a factory reset few days ago as the device was freezing a lot, and it asked me whether I want to format the USB storage or not, stating that if I chose to format it I will lose all my music and pictures and other files. So I became more confused because all my media files, ebooks, etc. are placed in the External Memory card! so why it would consume space of both storage locations!!
can anyone explain that please?
Also what will I lose if I formated the USB Storage only? would it improve the device performance anyway?
Thanks!
- Ramy
Internal storage , Usb storage & SD storage
internal storage is the one reserved for system, i.e 1.5 GB on Note, or in another words it is the flash memory of the device. It stores the components of ROM or the ANDROID OS. Applications get installed on this memory.
USB storage is the rest of the original storage on Note (i.e around 9.5 GB). In common language an Internal Memory where all your files are saved by default. This memory is used by most of the applications for storage of their data.
Most of the move2sd apps move apps from internal to SD Storage which means the USB Storage.
external SD Card storage, on the other hand, is the storage which relies on another SD Card put into the phone, e.g....external SD Card.
That's before you put external SD card..
If you put another SD Card in the phone, it will read as external SD Card. In the file system, it is known as external_sd.
Now, the answer to your next question.. Formatting the USB Storage of the phone is simply formatting your internal memory. It has nothing to do with PERFORMANCE. it just makes space available on your device's internal memory. :good:
Thanks a lot!
mht.msr said:
internal storage is the one reserved for system, i.e 1.5 GB on Note, or in another words it is the flash memory of the device. It stores the components of ROM or the ANDROID OS. Applications get installed on this memory.
USB storage is the rest of the original storage on Note (i.e around 9.5 GB). In common language an Internal Memory where all your files are saved by default. This memory is used by most of the applications for storage of their data.
Most of the move2sd apps move apps from internal to SD Storage which means the USB Storage.
external SD Card storage, on the other hand, is the storage which relies on another SD Card put into the phone, e.g....external SD Card.
That's before you put external SD card..
If you put another SD Card in the phone, it will read as external SD Card. In the file system, it is known as external_sd.
Now, the answer to your next question.. Formatting the USB Storage of the phone is simply formatting your internal memory. It has nothing to do with PERFORMANCE. it just makes space available on your device's internal memory. :good:
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Thanks! now I got it :good:

Could someone explain why my phone is not utilising its device storage?

As you can see in the attachment, it is very problematic for me, I do not understand why I am not able to use the device storage and why everything that I download goes to internal storage, is my device storage actually just RAM?? It makes installing apps nearly impossible and I keep getting constant reminders that I have low memory
Assersath said:
As you can see in the attachment, it is very problematic for me, I do not understand why I am not able to use the device storage and why everything that I download goes to internal storage, is my device storage actually just RAM?? It makes installing apps nearly impossible and I keep getting constant reminders that I have low memory
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Use Total Commander as file manager. It will give you a better overview
Your apps are stored on the internal storage. Thats only about 1GB. Internal and external SD CARD can not be used to install apps on it. For using SD CARD to store apps use Link2SD. For using Link2SD you will have to spli8t one of your sc cards. Must beformated as followed:
1. partition Fat32
2. partition Ext4
Both partitions must be primary. Use Partition Wizard to prepare your sd card.

Obb files to /data for better performance

Hi all!
I have an Honor 6, with 16 GB internal storage.
After I've installed many apps, I have about 6 GB free space, so I decided to move my favourite game to the internal storage for better performance/loading times (~1,5 GB), but I can't.
If I just copy the obb files to internal memory, when I start the game it starts to download the whole 1,5 GB again to the external SD.. Doesn't use the files from the internal storage.
However I still want to use my SD Card as primary storage location by default.
I am rooted.
Link2SD, App2SD not working.
Is there any way to set the app, where to search for data files?
Thank you!
prezident36 said:
Hi all!
I have an Honor 6, with 16 GB internal storage.
After I've installed many apps, I have about 6 GB free space, so I decided to move my favourite game to the internal storage for better performance/loading times (~1,5 GB), but I can't.
If I just copy the obb files to internal memory, when I start the game it starts to download the whole 1,5 GB again to the external SD.. Doesn't use the files from the internal storage.
However I still want to use my SD Card as primary storage location by default.
I am rooted.
Link2SD, App2SD not working.
Is there any way to set the app, where to search for data files?
Thank you!
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Might not work but still, worth a try if you're desperate enough to search Google and post on this forum
Log in to Google Play Games and save your data. Reinstall the app on the internal storage and then log in via google.
Hopefully that worked and hit "thanks" if it did .
Thanks for the tip, but it don't solve my problem.
If I delete and then reinstall the application, it still puts the OBB files to the extranet storage..
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Thanks for the tip, but it don't solve my problem.
If I delete and then reinstall the application, it still puts the OBB files to the extranet storage..
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Can you please tell me what you did to move your internal storage to your sdcard?
There is some misunderstanding.
I set my SD card as default storage, because I want that apps save their data (downloaded files, settings, etc) to it, except one. I pulled out the SD card, reinstalled the game (in this case, the obb files were on the internal storage), and the performance was way better.
So I want SD card as default (I set it before), except one app for performance reasons.
prezident36 said:
There is some misunderstanding.
I set my SD card as default storage, because I want that apps save their data (downloaded files, settings, etc) to it, except one. I pulled out the SD card, reinstalled the game (in this case, the obb files were on the internal storage), and the performance was way better.
So I want SD card as default (I set it before), except one app for performance reasons.
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Sorry for extreme confusion, but, did it work?
No, sadly nothing works..
I only can install obb files to internal storage, if I put out SD, or set "internal storage" in settings.
But I don't want to, because if I set it, EVERYTHING is saved to the SD.... Photos, app data eg.: stickers, backups.. I just want to set the path for the obb files individually.. :/

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