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[Q] Is MHL dongle a deal breaker for anyone wanting the Sensation over G2X?

Hello...
I'm on the fence about exchanging my G2X for the Sensation, but this one detail might be deal breaker.
I didn't see this exact topic come up in other discussions about the Sensation using the micro usb to output the HDMI stream to TV via a MHL adaptor. Forgive me if this has been explained before. I searched
What are your thoughts on the Sensation not using a dedicated micro HDMI port like the G2X has?
The main thing that concerns me is output quality with the MHL dongle. There is a vid in the Sensation forums showing a guy only able to output to 1080i (not 1080p), through that dongle. Makes sense to me as it has to be severely limited coming through the micro usb port (audio as well would not be HD, correct?).
I LOVE the fact that the G2X has a micro HDMI port. There's a reason for HDMI ports and I don't see how usb technology (MHL adaptor or not) could ever truly output full HD video and audio??
What are your thoughts? Thanks for your time

I'm guessing the Sensation's the same as the SGS2. The dongle does output 1080P and has a separate USB port for simultaneous charging.
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http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-i9100-mhl-adaptor
The good news is you can use any HDMI cable with it. The bad news is they're expensive ($35.00 USD) and not available yet. You should also do some research, I remember reading somewhere that there are restrictions on what content can be displayed off of the phone because of HTC Watch.

BarryH_GEG said:
I'm guessing the Sensation's the same as the SGS2. The dongle does output 1080P and has a separate USB port for simultaneous charging.
The good news is you can use any HDMI cable with it. The bad news is they're expensive ($35.00 USD) and not available yet. You should also do some research, I remember reading somewhere that there are restrictions on what content can be displayed off of the phone because of HTC Watch.
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Interesting....thanks for the quick reply! I will indeed do more research (especially on any content restrictions). Yes I've read quite a bit on the MHL adaptor but didn't see that it can output true HD...and I still have no clue as to how a micro usb port can have full HD running through it with no loss of quality?
Again...I would especially love to know exactly how it's technologically possible for a usb port to stream true full HD video and Audio (dongle or not)? If it could...why would there ever be a need for an HDMI port on any device? Manufactures would have simply used USB ports on HD TV's. PC's etc. Makes no sense to me

It's not a USB port it's a mhl port it has a switch that is activated depending on which cord is plugged in. The specs do say 1080p for a mhl port but that does not mean that HTC allowed that I don't know about limitations HTC put on due to copy protection. Mhl also allows charging when using the HDMI cable but I'm not aware of any devices that do this at this time. Someone said there is a seperate USB port for charging I don't believe this is true.
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doesnt make a difference, the port shouldnt be a deal breaker in any decision

I think MHL would be better. HDMI has 19 tiny little pins on there. much more fragile!!!!
MHL is just the USB plug so it's 5 pins!!!

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Alpha Class said:
doesnt make a difference, the port shouldnt be a deal breaker in any decision
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there is a difference. 1) special cord needed not supplied with the phone cheapest i have seen quoted is 30 bucks i cant even find one. - hdmi micro to full 2.59
cant recharge and use at same time(spec is there ) just no hardware that knows to do it yet. so another grand to buy a tv that knows to send a charge down the line when they come out.
3)we know that micro to hdmi works, im guessing mhl does but havent seen it yet so we will see.
For most this may not be a decision maker but it was for me and why i have hung on to the g2x hoping for the fixes because the galaxy s-2 has this same port. they cant even get an os that has been out for over a year im kinda concerned about drivers for a new type connection.

eagle1967 said:
the galaxy s-2 has this same port. they cant even get an os that has been out for over a year im kinda concerned about drivers for a new type connection.
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The dongle for the SGS2 has a USB port for simultaneous charging. I'm sure the Sensation's will as well. And yes, you can use a $2.99 converter cable, but with the dongle you can use a standard HDMI cable so you don't have to carry one around (EG: friends house, office presentations, etc.).

I suppose the biggest drawback to the MHL connection is that it A) Requires a special dongle, that in the pics and vids I've seen, is rather large and quite simply ugly. B) Costs an extra 30-35 bucks (total scam). C) As stated before...to fully work as it should, it requires an HD TV with MHL support for charging purposes (so I've read and heard here).
I would guess the biggest reason MHL will be more common than micro HDMI eventually, is that it makes the phone sexier with less ports. For me...give me an extra port...as long as it serves a VERY useful purpose such as HD media output.
For me it might be a deal breaker as one of the HUGE reasons I got the G2X, was because it was a full HD camcorder and I can recored and watch vids on my Plasma via HDMI. Keep it simple....one cheap cord and no silly expensive dongle. Or at the very least HTC...bundle it with the phone.
G2X wins the port war as far as I'm concerned!

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Hoggles said:
I suppose the biggest drawback to the MHL connection is that it A) Requires a special dongle, that in the pics and vids I've seen, is rather large and quite simply ugly. B) Costs an extra 30-35 bucks (total scam). C) As stated before...to fully work as it should, it requires an HD TV with MHL support for charging purposes (so I've read and heard here).
I would guess the biggest reason MHL will be more common than micro HDMI eventually, is that it makes the phone sexier with less ports. For me...give me an extra port...as long as it serves a VERY useful purpose such as HD media output.
For me it might be a deal breaker as one of the HUGE reasons I got the G2X, was because it was a full HD camcorder and I can recored and watch vids on my Plasma via HDMI. Keep it simple....one cheap cord and no silly expensive dongle. Or at the very least HTC...bundle it with the phone.
G2X wins the port war as far as I'm concerned!
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perfectly stated. in a year or more mhl will be the standard and the cables/doggle whatever will be cheaper. so im sure this is a good port and will be standard but by the time it is itll be time for a new phone anyway. its like the days of having to buy a special cable to listen through headphones. until they started putting regular head phone jacks on the phone. carrying the doggle isnt a big deal since im sure not everyone has a micro hdmi sitting around so youd have to bring yours anyways. but as stated. for 3 bucks i have hdmi working not 40 bucks. and the charging through the mhl my 2011 model tv doesnt support it and i am hoping it lasts longer than 1 to 1 1/2 years the phone will last without the you need to buy the newest thing feature. that's the feature that the phone starts subliminally sending you when newer devices arrive although the tv is an LG so who knows about the quality of it i have received 3 updates on it since i bought it 2 months ago so beating out the phone so far
but the galaxy s-2 has an mhl port also and i think it would be easier to overlook it for that phone(if it is all that's advertised when it actually makes it to the states)

HDMI to VGA Converter Unit

The projectors at my work place only have VGA connection. I finally found a converter for the HDMI connector for the Note 8.
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It cost US$35 and it came with its power adapter and HDMI cable. It has an audio out in the device to connect to a sound system. The analog VGA connection only accommodates graphics, hence the audio jack. This was imported from China sold over in the Philippine market. I was constantly checking for one for the last couple of months to be used for live drawing demonstrations.
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TheNeighbor101 said:
The projectors at my work place only have VGA connection. I finally found a converter for the HDMI connector for the Note 8.
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It cost US$35 and it came with its power adapter and HDMI cable. It has an audio out in the device to connect to a sound system. The analog VGA connection only accommodates graphics, hence the audio jack. This was imported from China sold over in the Philippine market. I was constantly checking for one for the last couple of months to be used for live drawing demonstrations.
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Nice find!
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This is the setup using the HDMI to VGA converter:
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wow, i like this setup

Great. Where did you find this in the PHilippines?
TheNeighbor101 said:
The projectors at my work place only have VGA connection. I finally found a converter for the HDMI connector for the Note 8.
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It cost US$35 and it came with its power adapter and HDMI cable. It has an audio out in the device to connect to a sound system. The analog VGA connection only accommodates graphics, hence the audio jack. This was imported from China sold over in the Philippine market. I was constantly checking for one for the last couple of months to be used for live drawing demonstrations.
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Great, I've been looking for an HDMI to VGA converter that works and is also small. Most of the one's I found are huge and kinda defets the purpose of a portable device. Please tell what store or where you found this converter. Thanks a lot!
UPDATE: SORRY JUST LOOKED at the PICS! thanks....which mall outlet exactly? the outlets I visited only have the really huge "box type" version. Thanks.

ProjectER said:
Great, I've been looking for an HDMI to VGA converter that works and is also small. Most of the one's I found are huge and kinda defets the purpose of a portable device. Please tell what store or where you found this converter. Thanks a lot!
UPDATE: SORRY JUST LOOKED at the PICS! thanks....which mall outlet exactly? the outlets I visited only have the really huge "box type" version. Thanks.
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I got this at the CDR King SM Dasmarinas. It's a new product at P1500+, and then I saw one with another make without the need of a power supply at the Acer store at SM MOA for half the price the other day!
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Thanks for the quick response
TheNeighbor101 said:
I got this t the CDR King SM Dasmarinas. It's a new product at P1500+, and then I saw one with another make without the need of a power supply at the Acer store at SM MOA for half the price the other day!
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Wow, a cheaper one at half the price w/ no need for a power supply? That's great. Is it also a cdr-king product? Or an acer product? Is there an exact name for the store at MOA or just acer? Still not sure that the one at the acer store will work (lot's of those powerless converters lying around that don't actually work costing 800 or more, plus they don't have an audio plug like the one you have on your unit).
Btw, how's the cdr-king converter? Build wise/quality? Does it over heat after prolonged use? I'm really interested in it. Hope to connect it not just to the note 8 but to an android mini pc like the MINIX NEO G4.
I'm also thinking of connecting the the note 8/minix & this converter to an external battery/power pack to minimize the need for too many plugs. Do you suppose it might work (or tried it for yourself?)
Thanks a lot for your very helpful post and your quick response. I was losing hope that I would ever be able to connect android to a…regular monitor/projector.

TheNeighbor101 said:
I got this at the CDR King SM Dasmarinas. It's a new product at P1500+, and then I saw one with another make without the need of a power supply at the Acer store at SM MOA for half the price the other day!
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ProjectER said:
Wow, a cheaper one at half the price w/ no need for a power supply? That's great. Is it also a cdr-king product? Or an acer product? Is there an exact name for the store at MOA or just acer? Still not sure that the one at the acer store will work (lot's of those powerless converters lying around that don't actually work costing 800 or more, plus they don't have an audio plug like the one you have on your unit).
I'm also thinking of connecting the the note 8/minix & this converter to an external battery/power pack to minimize the need for too many plugs. Do you suppose it might work (or tried it for yourself?)
Thanks a lot for your very helpful post and your quick response. I was losing hope that I would ever be able to connect android to a…regular monitor/projector.
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Please beware of the fact that the non powered HDMI to VGA converters don't really work with the Note 8.0 MHL to HDMI. I am not sure why....but they don't, probably the MHL doesn't give enough power to run the converter. I tried and it didn't work.
That's not to say that Non powered converter never works, when you connect to a regular HDMI port like of a laptop, it works very well, and mine also had an audio out. Had to return it with a lot of difficulty.
If you just want to connect a note 8.0/note 2/S3 to a VGA input, take a look at this as well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2248575
Only one MHL to VGA adapter and a 5 pin to 11 pin adapter needed. Also, only a single power source required, much simpler.
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ProjectER said:
Wow, a cheaper one at half the price w/ no need for a power supply? That's great. Is it also a cdr-king product? Or an acer product? Is there an exact name for the store at MOA or just acer? Still not sure that the one at the acer store will work (lot's of those powerless converters lying around that don't actually work costing 800 or more, plus they don't have an audio plug like the one you have on your unit).
Btw, how's the cdr-king converter? Build wise/quality? Does it over heat after prolonged use? I'm really interested in it. Hope to connect it not just to the note 8 but to an android mini pc like the MINIX NEO G4.
I'm also thinking of connecting the the note 8/minix & this converter to an external battery/power pack to minimize the need for too many plugs. Do you suppose it might work (or tried it for yourself?)
Thanks a lot for your very helpful post and your quick response. I was losing hope that I would ever be able to connect android to a…regular monitor/projector.
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As Agambhandari has warned, it looks like the unpowered type will probably will NOT work! The CDR King with the power adapter works quite fine, and has an audio out anyway. It doesn't produce any heat and I have tested it to an HD tv and projector. It's working fine with good audio out - probably why it needs to be powered. The only thing I find frustrating is the power adapter is not a micro USB type of connector, like for the Note 8. So you really need to plug in for its power source, hence you cannot power it with your external battery pack unless you have that exact plug adapter (USB to the round power plug).
One problem I encountered is the video ratio. It cannot adjust the 10:16 ratio to my old 3:4 Viewsonic monitor, and everything is just stretched vertically. My old monitor doesn't have the option to match the 10:16 of the Note 8. It works fine with contemporary lcd tvs and the projector since they match the 10:16 ratio and they have options to adjust.
Yes, the ₱1,580 CDR King HDMI to VGA converter is worth the buy. You only need to be careful of buying the correct 11-pin micro USB to HDMI adapter for the Note II/S3/S4/Note 10.1/Note. The old micro USB to HDMI adaptor that worked with the Note 1 will not work for the Note 8.
You need to hurry up or else stocks run out and it's usually months till they stock up on these.
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Thanks for all the input.
TheNeighbor101 said:
As Agambhandari has warned, it looks like the unpowered type will probably will NOT work! The CDR King with the power adapter works quite fine, and has an audio out anyway. It doesn't produce any heat and I have tested it to an HD tv and projector. It's working fine with good audio out - probably why it needs to be powered. The only thing I find frustrating is the power adapter is not a micro USB type of connector, like for the Note 8. So you really need to plug in for its power source, hence you cannot power it with your external battery pack unless you have that exact plug adapter (USB to the round power plug).
One problem I encountered is the video ratio. It cannot adjust the 10:16 ratio to my old 3:4 Viewsonic monitor, and everything is just stretched vertically. My old monitor doesn't have the option to match the 10:16 of the Note 8. It works fine with contemporary lcd tvs and the projector since they match the 10:16 ratio and they have options to adjust.
Yes, the ₱1,580 CDR King HDMI to VGA converter is worth the buy. You only need to be careful of buying the correct 11-pin micro USB to HDMI adapter for the Note II/S3/S4/Note 10.1/Note. The old micro USB to HDMI adaptor that worked with the Note 1 will not work for the Note 8.
You need to hurry up or else stocks run out and it's usually months till they stock up on these.
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thanks again to TheNeighbor101 and Agambhandari for your great inputs. I agree that Agambhandari's set up is simpler when connecting the note 8 in particular (at least one less power cord). However, i also want this adapter as a multpurpose adapter, so i can connect any tablet with an HDMI out to a projecter or even (as I said earlier) an android mini pc. I used to think that HDMI was so out of the ordinary to be practical when every laptop had a vga port but now that tablets have become mainstream, how i wish HDMI ports were more common place in everyday projectors (how quickly the future creeps up on us)...
I realized that an android mini pc is cheaper (smaller like a big usb flash drive) to just leave connected to a projector while you mirror your presentation from the note 8. Kingsoft office is great with this especially with the floating notes in presentation mode (you see your speaker notes on the multiwindow of the note 8 but it stays hidden on the mirroring device). I wouldn't want to leave the note 8 connected/chained to the projector while you're at the podium/stage. Am still saving up for the set up. Will post feed back if i hopefully get it working....
btw: i'm using the generic 11-pin for the note 8 (it works, tried it on the tv). I thought that the new 11 pin allows for simultaneous charging of the note 8/note2/S3/S4 (as compared to the original 5 pin which didn't)...however, when plugged in, it just seems to power the mhl-hdmi cable. the note 8 shows a charging icon but continues to discharge (bat levels number continues to go down) despite being plugged to a socket? is this becuase it's a generic cable? If I use the true samsung cable will that charge the note 8 and power the mhl cable?
Thanks again to you both....you saved me a ton of effort. More power to XDA

ProjectER said:
thanks again to TheNeighbor101 and Agambhandari for your great inputs. I agree that Agambhandari's set up is simpler when connecting the note 8 in particular (at least one less power cord). However, i also want this adapter as a multpurpose adapter, so i can connect any tablet with an HDMI out to a projecter or even (as I said earlier) an android mini pc. I used to think that HDMI was so out of the ordinary to be practical when every laptop had a vga port but now that tablets have become mainstream, how i wish HDMI ports were more common place in everyday projectors (how quickly the future creeps up on us)...
I realized that an android mini pc is cheaper (smaller like a big usb flash drive) to just leave connected to a projector while you mirror your presentation from the note 8. Kingsoft office is great with this especially with the floating notes in presentation mode (you see your speaker notes on the multiwindow of the note 8 but it stays hidden on the mirroring device). I wouldn't want to leave the note 8 connected/chained to the projector while you're at the podium/stage. Am still saving up for the set up. Will post feed back if i hopefully get it working....
btw: i'm using the generic 11-pin for the note 8 (it works, tried it on the tv). I thought that the new 11 pin allows for simultaneous charging of the note 8/note2/S3/S4 (as compared to the original 5 pin which didn't)...however, when plugged in, it just seems to power the mhl-hdmi cable. the note 8 shows a charging icon but continues to discharge (bat levels number continues to go down) despite being plugged to a socket? is this becuase it's a generic cable? If I use the true samsung cable will that charge the note 8 and power the mhl cable?
Thanks again to you both....you saved me a ton of effort. More power to XDA
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I use a non-Samsung micro USB to HDMI adapter too. It's practically the same thing and quality but at half the price. It slows down the power consumption. It's charging but the rate of incoming charge is lower than the discharging of the battery to power the screen and processing. Try charging it through the adapter with screen turned off or without connecting to an HDMI as an experiment to see this.
If that's your case, my advice is you get the Samsung AllShareCast dongle for only ₱3,800 and connect to the VGA adapter. This is a strong recommendation, unless the Android pc has a wifi hotspot capability, you need to rely on the local network to operate with RemoDroid (only works on rooted) and the frame rate is low and laggy for live sketching or markups. Videos can't show on the projected screen.
The AllShareCast dongle is perfect. Practically shows no image delay. I plan to get one myself for a big presentation around August as I'll be presenting an architectural design to a group of people. I'll need to sketch to get my points across.
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Are you using the stock note 8.0 charger which has a 2.0 A rating?
Your case also happened to me but then, I was using a Nokia charger with a lower rating of only 1.3 A?
There would be no difference in usage or utility of a Samsung and a compatible adapter.
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Yup, using the official charger
agambhandari said:
Are you using the stock note 8.0 charger which has a 2.0 A rating?
Your case also happened to me but then, I was using a Nokia charger with a lower rating of only 1.3 A?
There would be no difference in usage or utility of a Samsung and a compatible adapter.
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Yes, I'm using the official charger. Thanks. So no dice with the simultaneous usage/charging I supposed (and I thought that was one of the advantages of the new 11 pin.)
Anyway, will keep both your comments and suggestions in mind. Just wish the generic screen mirroring on JB 4.2.2 would start being more main stream so we don't have to get stuck with Samsung products using group play and all share cast.I know that chinese tablets are already getting a WIMORX implentation of this and it looks pretty good. I hope this gets baked into a rom. Remodroid hasn't been updated in a while for rootless screen mirroring (on samsung and lg devices). Thanks again to you both.

The generic screen mirroring is actually known as Miracast. AllShare Cast is nothing different from it except the name.
If you have one of the new TV's or any Miracast adapter, the Note 8.0 will also mirror easily to that.
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any generic android mini pc to support generic miracast?
agambhandari said:
The generic screen mirroring is actually known as Miracast. AllShare Cast is nothing different from it except the name.
If you have one of the new TV's or any Miracast adapter, the Note 8.0 will also mirror easily to that.
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Oh so it will work on any miracast adapter?Thanks...I just think that buying a miracast adapter is way to expensive for just mirroring which is why I was thinking of getting an android mini pc stick instead. This way, If i'm not mirroing the note 8, i can still use the stick as a mini pc for the TV. The price of good android mini pc's and the proprietary samsung adapter are just about the same. My problem with the mini pc's is that they're all mostly on ICS4.-- JB 4.1 which don't have working miracast yet. JB 4.2 has it but I'm not sure it will work across all devices.
Do you have any suggestions for cheaper generic miracast adapters (preferably as portable as the samsung one)?
Thanks again.

ProjectER said:
Yes, I'm using the official charger. Thanks. So no dice with the simultaneous usage/charging I supposed (and I thought that was one of the advantages of the new 11 pin.)
Anyway, will keep both your comments and suggestions in mind. Just wish the generic screen mirroring on JB 4.2.2 would start being more main stream so we don't have to get stuck with Samsung products using group play and all share cast.I know that chinese tablets are already getting a WIMORX implentation of this and it looks pretty good. I hope this gets baked into a rom. Remodroid hasn't been updated in a while for rootless screen mirroring (on samsung and lg devices). Thanks again to you both.
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I found an app called Screen Standby that turns off the screen while it is actively connected to the HDMI dongle. It means you can mirror everything onto the projector/screen, except the device's screen is off. It can give you a more charging. You need to root for this to work.
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TheNeighbor101 said:
The projectors at my work place only have VGA connection. I finally found a converter for the HDMI connector for the Note 8.
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It cost US$35 and it came with its power adapter and HDMI cable. It has an audio out in the device to connect to a sound system. The analog VGA connection only accommodates graphics, hence the audio jack. This was imported from China sold over in the Philippine market. I was constantly checking for one for the last couple of months to be used for live drawing demonstrations.
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I'm interested - How long did it take to ship and how much shipping fees? Holding up alright after a month?

minix WIMORX compatibile with Samsung's ALLSHARE cast?
agambhandari said:
The generic screen mirroring is actually known as Miracast. AllShare Cast is nothing different from it except the name.
If you have one of the new TV's or any Miracast adapter, the Note 8.0 will also mirror easily to that.
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Hi, just to add to my first reply about generic miracast. I'm thinking of getting the minix neo x5 mini. It has WIMORX installed. I was wondering if anyone in the note 8 forums has actually seen MINIX's WIMORX and SAMSUNG'S allshare cast (basically both proprietary names for MIRACAST) working together. I've alread seen WIMORX working on you tube and it's really fast even with 2d games (haven't seen 3d games yet)...and we already know that ALLSHARE cast is also good...this may help me decide on this product. I know that based on agambhandari's post it should in theory be compatible but just wanted to know if anyone has actually tried it out or seen it working... thanks...again.

Thought I'd update this thread a bit.
TheNeighbor101 said:
I use a non-Samsung micro USB to HDMI adapter too. It's practically the same thing and quality but at half the price. It slows down the power consumption. It's charging but the rate of incoming charge is lower than the discharging of the battery to power the screen and processing. Try charging it through the adapter with screen turned off or without connecting to an HDMI as an experiment to see this.
If that's your case, my advice is you get the Samsung AllShareCast dongle for only ₱3,800 and connect to the VGA adapter. This is a strong recommendation, unless the Android pc has a wifi hotspot capability, you need to rely on the local network to operate with RemoDroid (only works on rooted) and the frame rate is low and laggy for live sketching or markups. Videos can't show on the projected screen.
The AllShareCast dongle is perfect. Practically shows no image delay. I plan to get one myself for a big presentation around August as I'll be presenting an architectural design to a group of people. I'll need to sketch to get my points across.
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Greetings,
It's been a while. i thought I'd share some of my experiences on trying to hook up to VGA and ask a few questions as well while I'm at it. I din't get the allsharecast dongle. Instead, I opted to get the minix neo g4 android mini pc. It's a great product. I figured, the allshare cast dongle is great but it doesn't do much else without a samsung device to mirror its contents. The minix is a full fledged android device running 4.1 (upgradable to 4.2) so even without any samsung or other android device, it can stand on its own. It's RK remote is amazing as well so you can play touch games like dead trigger 2 on it using your android phone as the controller (ala droidmote). For presentations, I realized that kingsoft office is great since you can "share play" powerpoints slides similar to presenter view on a windows PC. To illustrate, you can present the slides on the minix neo g4 (synchronized to the note 8) and still pull out your slide notes on the note 8 (without these showing up on the minix/vga projector set up). With screen mirroring, if you pull out your slide notes than this gets mirrored to the projector screen.
Instead of getting the CDRking HDMI to vga converter with audio noted on this post, i opted to get the MINIX HDMI to VGA converter. It also works like a charm. Connected it to a samsung laptop's HDMI (at the store) and it worked, connected it to an asus TF101 tablet (mini HDMI to REGULAR HDMI than to MINIX HDMI-VGA) and it worked, connected it to the minix neo G4 and obviously...it WORKED (FULL 1080p)...plus it has an audio out (for full speakers) as well that WORKS even without connecting the optional power supply to the converter....now the sad part and also my question....
1)I connected it to the NOTE 8 and tried the S2 as well: MHL to HDMI adapter then to the MINIX HDMI-VGA adapter. The TV connected, the "hdmi connected" appeared on the note 8, the TV autoadjusted it's VGA input signals and then voila...GREEN SCREEN. Am I doing something wrong?
What I've found so far:
a) I read in another forum that some HDMI manufactureres USE some kind of HDMC digital code (sorry don't remember the actual acronym) to limit piracy of digital content.. Unfortunately, this HDMC code isn't supported by VGA so it won't work. Could that be what's going on? My asus is already on a custom rom (using the KATKIS 4.3 multiwindow stable edition rom which is excellent if i might add) and doesn't ende up with this GREEN SCREEN. The asus is also an older model using an even older GPU (Tegra 2) but it screen mirrors to VGA just fine. Is it time to flash a custom note 8 rom? Did you get a similar problem with your HDMI-VGA adapter. If so, how did you overcome it?
b) I've read in another forum that it's faulty cables but I used the same cables for the asus and minix.both worked without a hitch.
2) Next question. How did it go with the presentation using the note 8. You said you'd be using it with the allshare cast dongle. I've noticed that on the big screen (using kingsoft, quickoffice, polaris), all power point slides just aren't as sharp as when viewing them using a regular PC and windows software (even on the minix which already uses full HD 1080p resolution).Plus, there are always black bars along the sides.Can't full strecth the slide the way microsoft powerpoint stretches slides to fill the screen when presenting.
Thanks again.
Anyway

Had the same green screen problem. The problem I believe is that the MHL standard doesn't have enought power to give the hdmi to vga converter.
If possible try an MHL to VGA adapter, or else replace the current HDMI TO VGA with a powered HDMI to VGA .
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Adapter w/ 3 USB Ports (OTG), HDMI, and 2a Power Arriving Friday

so after a very long exhausting search for an adapter with USB and HDMI that also had power supply that would charge the Tab i finally found one.
you will see items like this on Amazon etc... but the problem is they have only 1a-1.5a charging adapter which doesnt charge our tablets because they were designed for phones.
here are the specs from a product by Lindy:
Dock Port : 1 x USB Micro-B 11-pin (Male)
USB Device Port: 3 x USB Type A (Female)
Video Output: 1 x HDMI (Female)
Power Input: USB Micro B type (Female)
Power LED Indication:
Red = Charging Mode
Blue = Active Mode
USB Port: USB 2.0 High Speed 480 Mbps
Power Voltage Support: DC 5V/2A (Micro B type)
HDMI Resolution (Max): 1920 x 1080p @ 60Hz
Operating Temperature: 00C - 400C
Storage Temperature: 00C - 600C
Weight: 59g
Dimension: (LxWxH) 91.8 x 60 x 12mm
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you can see the info from their overseas website here but have to use the US site for US folks where there is no information located here. they ship it from Germany to their US website office then to US address.
mine arrives Friday and will test out using external drive with movies on it etc.. also combining using the MHL feature to play that movie on a monitor and also using my HDMI to VGA adapter to play it on a projector all while keeping charged. crossing my finger.
of course this would be great for USB devices like joysticks, keyboard, etc..

Thanks for posting this. Please do keep us updated as to how it goes and what connections you try out. I'd be very curious.

looking nice maybe gonna pick one up too. i buy one from ebay Micro usb hub this one
but after using for one week look like this lol

linkhunter said:
looking nice maybe gonna pick one up too. i buy one from ebay Micro usb hub this one
but after using for one week look like this lol
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Hold! Arrived today and first glance it is not working on S but on Note 3 so more testing this evening and will post results.

Thanks very much for sharing, it is a pitty it is not working, it looks like exactly the thing I am after!

The one i use now are call mhl cable. It work fine with my note 3 and t705
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Does it charge the device the same time?

i am sending it back sadly. it may work for custom Roms but on my older Sammy stuff like my S4 and N3 it does everything you would expect including charging it while it operates. on the Tab S it doesnt even recognize it is attached and does not charge either.
i have been speaking with Lindy and they are going to look at a possible solution but who knows when if ever.
it doesnt appear that anything out there today will accomplish this on the new Sammy tablets as i have looked at everything on the web i think

fletch33 said:
i am sending it back sadly. it may work for custom Roms but on my older Sammy stuff like my S4 and N3 it does everything you would expect including charging it while it operates. on the Tab S it doesnt even recognize it is attached and does not charge either.
i have been speaking with Lindy and they are going to look at a possible solution but who knows when if ever.
it doesnt appear that anything out there today will accomplish this on the new Sammy tablets as i have looked at everything on the web i think
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The inability to charge this tablet is a major PITA.

Time to consider Miracast or Chromecasting, that would free up the charging port.

kenkiller said:
Time to consider Miracast or Chromecasting, that would free up the charging port.
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Chromecast works great with the Plex app on the Tab S. Once you go wireless, you will never go back to wired Hdmi cables. :laugh:

domo325 said:
Chromecast works great with the Plex app on the Tab S. Once you go wireless, you will never go back to wired Hdmi cables. :laugh:
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I agree however most board rooms that setup is not going to work. I also have a projector for kids movies outside and several other things like that.

I just received MHL adapter from Eeekit. It works only partialy. It does screen mirroring but it does not charge. Battery icon shows red x and status "Not charging" when connected. And another problem is that it only supports 1080p with 24Hz refresh rate. It is fine for bluray ripped movies but not for anything else including games and all online streams (NBC Sports Live Extra for example) cause they are probably streamed at 30fps so video is choppy. I had the same issue with oem Samsung MHL 2.0 dapter and my Galaxy S3. So is is there any other way to mirror Galaxy Tab S screen with 60Hz and without using a router?

Lucky in my case that mhl cable that i bough work fine. ..
Play Real Racing
Standard view
Youtube
Maps
Streaming
Mhl cable that i used.
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edan1979 said:
Lucky in my case that mhl cable that i bough work fine. ..
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Does it charge? And can you check if it give 60Hz refresh rate?

SotYPL said:
Does it charge? And can you check if it give 60Hz refresh rate?
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yes it charge fine. and yes its play at 60hz refresh rate.
i have been use it since my Note 2... the cable has been used on my N2,N3,Note 8.0, Tab S 8.4LTE

edan1979 said:
yes it charge fine. and yes its play at 60hz refresh rate.
i have been use it since my Note 2... the cable has been used on my N2,N3,Note 8.0, Tab S 8.4LTE
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Do you have access to any 1080p tv and could verify if it will give 60Hz at 1080p? And where did you buy this cable? Thanks.

Yes it also work fine in full hd at 60hz. Just my kids are now using the tv so dont want them to disturb me later. ?
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edan1979 said:
Yes it also work fine in full hd at 60hz. Just my kids are now using the tv so dont want them to disturb me later. ?
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That's great. Exactly what I'm looking for. Do you have any link where it can be purchased?

SotYPL said:
That's great. Exactly what I'm looking for. Do you have any link where it can be purchased?
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I purchased it at local shop at my place
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Note 9 DEX and DEX dongle

Hello
So I've just pre ordered the Note 9 and I'm wondering about the DEX dongle and the dockless DEX that was shown at the unpacked event.
Currently I'm using my Note 8 with the first gen Dex which I have plugged in my TV, in the Dex I have connected Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard with the Logitech stick in USB, I also often transfer files from phone to a USB stick.
So I need atleast 2 usb ports on my dex, and my question is will the new dongle be a simple USB type C to HDMI cable (in which case I think any cable like this would Work) and doesn't appeal to me or it will have additional ports on it?
Has anyone seen the dongle in sale because I don't see it anywhere ?

Just keep using the dongle you already have.

I think note 9 will work with the dock you already have.
I also read that you can run more apps with the dock than the dongle.
There is also another dongle which has additional usb ports.
https://www.mobilefun.co.uk/official-samsung-galaxy-note-9-4k-multiport-usb-c-to-hdmi-adapter-68895

If we're going to be able to initiate DeX with a simple USB-C to HDMI adapter now, what does anyone think our chances of enabling it over Miracast is? THAT would be awesome!

I'm trying to work out how the dongle above at £80 in the UK works out as a better solution than the DEX dock with more app support according to the user above.

90€? That's almost the same price as the dock, it makes no sense. But will it be able to work with 3rd party cable? That way it would be possible to get a cable for around 5€ and just use it on the go

alltaken123 said:
I'm trying to work out how the dongle above at £80 in the UK works out as a better solution than the DEX dock with more app support according to the user above.
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I don't think it works better at all, u even get cooling with the dex dock.
Maybe more portable but that's it.

gCloud said:
I don't think it works better at all, u even get cooling with the dex dock.
Maybe more portable but that's it.
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I meant in terms of app support rather than solution. How does the dock have better app support?

alltaken123 said:
I meant in terms of app support rather than solution. How does the dock have better app support?
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I don't know how or why. We will soon find out for sure when people have the phone and dongles in their hands.
The dongle in the link just lets u charge and connect USB device over the dongle shown in unpacked.

I've been using N9 with Asus USB-C dock which came with my laptop. Connected that to my TV via HDMI, and voila - works fine from scrap parts lying around from monitor/ laptop purchase. Extra cost - 0 €, which translates to 0 £, I think))

strikey17 said:
I've been using N9 with Asus USB-C dock which came with my laptop. Connected that to my TV via HDMI, and voila - works fine from scrap parts lying around from monitor/ laptop purchase. Extea cost - 0 €, which translates to 0 £, I think))
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That's quite the result, at only £5 post brexit too.

I'll be using the Hyperdrive SOLO for all my dex needs. If you guys do get this, make sure it's the SOLO version not the PRO as the PRO has two type c's coming out and will probably not fit the Notes slots. The SOLO has one type C that comes out. Also works as a type c pass through and has two usb 3.0 and sd/micro slots and 3.5mm headphone jack. The 3.5mm audio jack (made to fit the mac pro but not needed on the Note 9 obviously) you see in the picture folds into the device so it's not an issue.
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That's quite the result, at only £5 post brexit too.
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How does it switch to DEX once connected with the cable? Is it like automatic or you need to setup something?
I'm still waiting for my N9 in preorder

Dex USB-C
Mpuljko said:
How does it switch to DEX once connected with the cable? Is it like automatic or you need to setup something?
I'm still waiting for my N9 in preorder
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I used it with the HDMI dock, as in my post above and now directly plugged into USB-C monitor (USB-c cable on both ends). DEX starts automatically, recognizes USB-C as HDMI,

strikey17 said:
I've been using N9 with Asus USB-C dock which came with my laptop. Connected that to my TV via HDMI, and voila - works fine from scrap parts lying around from monitor/ laptop purchase. Extra cost - 0 €, which translates to 0 £, I think))
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Is that a 4K TV? If yes, what is the max resolution you are getting? I currently have a DeX Station and Note 8 connected to a 4K monitor, but the output is only 1080p. The 2K option is greyed out. I am wondering if the same will happen when my Note 9 arrives and I plug it in.

krumbs said:
Is that a 4K TV? If yes, what is the max resolution you are getting? I currently have a DeX Station and Note 8 connected to a 4K monitor, but the output is only 1080p. The 2K option is greyed out. I am wondering if the same will happen when my Note 9 arrives and I plug it in.
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Nope, 1080p TV.

Hi,
On Monday I will connect my N9 to dock with my DELL business laptop and AOC 27" 2K screen. I will let You know how it is going.
Regards!
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krumbs said:
Is that a 4K TV? If yes, what is the max resolution you are getting? I currently have a DeX Station and Note 8 connected to a 4K monitor, but the output is only 1080p. The 2K option is greyed out. I am wondering if the same will happen when my Note 9 arrives and I plug it in.
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It's still the same with Note 9 as well. 1080p is the max resolution that works with a couple of adapters I've tried, Dell and Apple.

I was watching Sakitech Dex video on YouTube. The display shown on his monitor appeared to have square lines similar to viewing through a screen mesh. Is this normal?
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I saw a bunch of adapters on Amazon and eBay that claim not just 4K output but also Dex support. I assume they have been reversed engineered and includes a hardware or software tweak that makes a compatible Samsung phone believe an official Dex dock is being used.
Question: Would one of these adapters trigger the 1440p resolution when I plug in a Note 9? So far, from what I understand, only the Dex Pad will deliver 1440p. But the Dex Station and all these third-party adapters will give you 1080p max in Dex mode.
Is that correct? Has anyone found a way to get higher resolution for Dex?

Ugreen USB C hub

Ugreen USB C hub
Hi guys,
I recently got this nice hub, so I thought I could share it with you, because it is really cheap compared to Samsungs' original parts. I got it for around 20$ from someone who was selling it new, but they go for around 25-30$.
It allows you to use DEX mode and it has all the necessary ports -> HDMI output, DC input, several USBs, some even have ethernet ports and SD card ports, but I don't care about them.
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Ugreen USB C hub - Ebay
Another Ebay link
Aliexpress Link
I hope some of you find this useful.

xchatter said:
Ugreen USB C hub
Hi guys,
I recently got this nice hub, so I thought I could share it with you, because it is really cheap compared to Samsungs' original parts. I got it for around 20$ from someone who was selling it new, but they go for around 25-30$.
It allows you to use DEX mode and it has all the necessary ports -> HDMI output, DC input, several USBs, some even have ethernet ports and SD card ports, but I don't care about them.
Here are some example links, but it can be bought from different stores:
Ugreen USB C hub - Ebay
Another Ebay link
Aliexpress Link
I hope some of you find this useful.
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Thanks does it charge the phone while in use ? Let's say your using Dex ??

N1NJATH3ORY said:
Thanks does it charge the phone while in use ? Let's say your using Dex ??
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Hi there,
Yes, it has a charging port and it works.
Cheers!

This thread is pretty old, but I'm finally looking at upgrading and have some questions about the Ugreen UCB C / USB 3.1 + HDMI Adaptor.
I'm looking at the USB C - 5 Port Adaptor here:
https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Adapter-MacBook-Matebook-Chromebook/dp/B077FZQS95
In the notes it says that
USB C PD fast charging is only for laptops but not for phones. Phones only support normal charging.
Do NOT recommend you charge phone through USB 3.0 port as USB port only can only offer max 1.5A current and will charge your phone slowly
So I'm trying to figure out, is this like a powered USB hub that needs a PD brick to power the hub and then the hub powers the tabled (with 1.5A max), and separately powers the HDMI adaptor, UCB 3.1 devices etc., or is this a power-pass through that powers the tablet (slow) and then the tablet powers the USB devices?
In other words, is there an advantage to buying a $20-30 PD wall brick to power this hub, which the tablet doesn't support, or am I as good as I'm going to get with the original Samsung Lightning charger that came with the tablet?
Thanks,
Joe

Another possibility ...
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07PWMDTFF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
* charging OK
* DeX OK, you can use mouse + keyboard, or phone as trackpad
* HDMI video / audio out OK (or you can choose audio out via phone jack, sounds better)
* card reader
* NEEDS POWER SUPPLY!

PetrSP7 said:
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07PWMDTFF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
* charging OK
* DeX OK, you can use mouse + keyboard, or phone as trackpad
* HDMI video / audio out OK (or you can choose audio out via phone jack, sounds better)
* card reader
* NEEDS POWER SUPPLY!
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So this is interesting in that the British version has a warning:
Please read carefully before use:
Use the original AC adapter of your device to charge your device via the USB-C Power Delivery Port on this hub
The Tab S4 (my device) original charger is NOT a 100W PD charter it is a Samsung Lightning Charger not quite QC 2.0.
Again, it isn't clear to me whether these PD powered hubs are acting as pass through for the power to the tablet/phone, and then the tablet powers the peripherals that are plugged in, or if it is a powered hub, that independently powers the peripherals and the tablet/phone - and is smart enough to power the tablet/phone with QC 2.0.
The UGREEN adaptor implies that PD is downconverted to QC 2.0, but doesn't say anything about the peripherals. This FLYLAND hub says not to use a PD charger at all.
This is So much more complicated than it should be!
Joe

I am using Tp-Links usb 3 hub, it works great. It uses external power source and its not draining too much power. Ugreen has only 10cm long cable. So pros and cons.
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Ugreen has good solutions also

I have used a number of different USB Type-C docking station with my Note 8 N950N and they all work with Dex Mode. It even worked using a official Lenovo ThinkPad Type-C dock station.

This update continues:
I've been using Hub Ugreen CM511 for 3 months. I connect (in addition to my laptop) monitor, speakers, mouse and keyboard, sometimes a flash drive. I'm satisfied, each input works, file transfer without lag and it doesn't heat up. Any questions?