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[Q] HTC one X for $230 a good deal from newegg?

Newegg has the HTC ONE X for $230.
is that even worth buying at this point?
heres the link
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875502142
Thanks in advance!
ill give thanks to all relevant answers!

I still think this phone is fantastic. It could use a little more RAM perhaps but in everyday situations I can't fault it.
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Agree w/ Tim here, but for that price you can go to swappa and get a nice Nexus 4. Same screen res, camera (even though ours is better), and screen size. Also, the n4 is a little more future proof w/ 2 gigs of ram and a s4pro chipset.

4ty-phive said:
but for that price you can go to swappa and get a nice Nexus 4. Same screen res, camera (even though ours is better), and screen size. Also, the n4 is a little more future proof w/ 2 gigs of ram and a s4pro chipset.
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Sounds like you are comparing specs and not actual quality. Just because the screens have equal resolution, does not by any measure mean they will have the same image quality. HTC displays blow away LG any day. One X had the best display on any smartphone in its time, and probably only surpassed by the display on the One. In general, LG hardware is consistantly underwhelming. Folks comparing the One X to even the Nexus 5 have mentioned the One X has slightly better display, camera, and speaker; and that the N5 is only an upgrade in terms of the processor and RAM.
That said, whether the deal mentioned by the OP is a "good" one or not is completely subjective. Depends on your personal situation and expectations. If you are on a budget and not eligible for any type of carrier subsidy, the One X is still a decent phone for that price. On the other hand, in a few months it will be 2 years old (a long time in the smartphone world) and HTC (as well as Samsung) will likely be releasing their new flagship, 2 generations newer than the One X. Personally, I don't usually buy tech that is even 1 generation old, much less 2. But again, it depends on how much you are willing to spend on a device, and what you expect out of it.

Well, wouldn't your use of "quality" is also subjective? I mean I'm pretty sure there are people out there that would say the n4, sg3, or some other high-end device (at the time) has better "quality" than our phone. So, yes I did refer to specs because it's not subjective. The OP will have to consider the "quality" factor that you mentioned. However, the OP will also have to consider updates that may or may not come to the phone. HTC has already proven that our phone is not a priority any longer. So we have to depend on the community for said updates. Google, on the other hand, will still continue to update the n4 couple more iterations (I'm assuming here), hence why I used "future proof". Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on the "quality" of this phone. It's why I purchased it a little over a year ago.

Yeah, I've been looking for a reason to warrant spending the hundreds to upgrade this phone, but its proven fruitless .
With that given, I wouldn't buy it new now for $240. You can get the LG Optimus G 970's for less than that and they're quad core, with 2gb of ram and have expansion port.

its a gr8 phone if u can manage with stock android 4.2 sense 5 wch is really good...... thr is plenty of dev support for kitkat n ahead bt u cannot rely on future... for me its still better option than moto g r nexus 4 purely for its quality...

4ty-phive said:
Well, wouldn't your use of "quality" is also subjective? I mean I'm pretty sure there are people out there that would say the n4, sg3, or some other high-end device (at the time) has better "quality" than our phone. So, yes I did refer to specs because it's not subjective. The OP will have to consider the "quality" factor that you mentioned. However, the OP will also have to consider updates that may or may not come to the phone. HTC has already proven that our phone is not a priority any longer. So we have to depend on the community for said updates. Google, on the other hand, will still continue to update the n4 couple more iterations (I'm assuming here), hence why I used "future proof". Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on the "quality" of this phone. It's why I purchased it a little over a year ago.
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Is quality subjective? To some extent yes. But you can read in review after review that HTC's displays are superior to just about any in the industry. Some might find the over saturated colors on the Samsung OLED screens to be more to their liking. But LG displays, I don't think you will find too many folks that think they are better than HTC.
Its just a peeve of mine when consumers fall for the marketing gimmick of touting nearly meaningless specs/stats. MPs on a camera and resolution on a screen do not in any way guarantee that the actual image quality is good. Things often sound great on paper, and less so in real life. And while the quality is somewhat not quantifiable, it is also not always completely subjective.

OK. To the OP, I apologize for getting off track. I will answer your question directly: no, I don't think spending $230 on this phone is a good idea. I wouldn't pay more than $160 brand new. There are better alternatives out there for the money. You should consider your what you want out of your perspective device and consider your options.

Why are there no small smartphones anymore?

And when I say SMALL I really mean that because anything above 11.5 cm to 12 cm seems medium to me and anything above that seems plain big or giant like 14 or 15 cm phone. Don't they have the technology to build a great small 4 inch screen smartphone with decent front and rear cameras and a smooth android version? They do! Then why not give us such phones because there are enough people who would like decent sized screens and small and great smartphones! -- So, WHY are there no small smartphones anymore?

I don't know, it look like these days, small is associated with cheap and under-performing. I know, it's a false assumption but, it seem that people associate a smaller phone with the small device they had 3-4 years ago. I know, I have been guilty of this too. When I see a small phone, it's hard for me to avoid associating it with my first phone (Samsung Galaxy Ace), it was small and it was crappy. Hardware was simply not up to the task and Gingerbread was ugly. Now, in 2015 it would be possible to install high performing hardware on a small screen because technology has advanced, I know.

PlayHunter said:
And when I say SMALL I really mean that because anything above 11.5 cm to 12 cm seems medium to me and anything above that seems plain big or giant like 14 or 15 cm phone. Don't they have the technology to build a great small 4 inch screen smartphone with decent front and rear cameras and a smooth android version? They do! Then why not give us such phones because there are enough people who would like decent sized screens and small and great smartphones! -- So, WHY are there no small smartphones anymore?
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my guess, not enough demand. im guessing the average desired size is around 5-5 1/4" right now. manufacturers will always move in the direction of the majority of their customers wants, or they will loose customers.

bweN diorD said:
my guess, not enough demand. im guessing the average desired size is around 5-5 1/4" right now. manufacturers will always move in the direction of the majority of their customers wants, or they will loose customers.
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I agree with the trend, but I think there would be enough demand for 4 inch screens packed in a less than 12 cm phone with great specs. Make it with gorilla glass, IP65 and IP68 resistant, at least 5MP front and 16MP rear cameras with all available enhancements, removable 2500+ mAh battery (so the talk time or using apps for many hours through the day won't be an issue), put in a smooth android to work on a quad core platform (& +dual sim).
Then make it a limited edition (say 100,000 devices) that sells internationally. And DON'T MAKE IT CHEAP!
Say sell it for £500 a piece. See if it sells, and HOW FAST it sells. I bet the batch would be sold pretty fast!!!
If a success, then add something in the specs and make a very similar variant to continue and feed the demand.
I am the only one who would LOVE such a phone? If there are others too, then post, let's make our voices heard!

Sorry to dig out an old thread, but the situation hasn't changed yet
I've been searching for a while now for a more or less up-to-date (max 2-3 years old) compact phone. I totally agree with [MENTION=64403564 [user=7152785]@PlayHunter[/user][/MENTION], I know that the trend is to go 5 inch +, but I really like to have a small phone in my pocket and I've already been wondering if I'm the only one
Even with my old Sony Xperia Mini (yes the very old one ),
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Hardware was simply not up to the task and Gingerbread was ugly
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but I really liked it for being Jeans-friendly And 3 of my friends bought it just because of the same reason after seeing it.
Sure, there are the Sony Z5/X/XZ Compact, but those are already bigger than my 5" Nexus 5.
I liked the size of the Z1 Compact and the iPhone 4. I think a phone in this size, with small bezels, a 720p screen and mid-to-high range hardware would attract many people.
The problem is obvious:
bweN diorD said:
im guessing the average desired size is around 5-5 1/4" right now. manufacturers will always move in the direction of the majority of their customers wants, or they will loose customers.
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I was thinking the same as @PlayHunter:
PlayHunter said:
Then make it a limited edition (say 100,000 devices) that sells internationally.
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A friend of mine once found a Chinese manufacturer, where you could configurate a phone as you wish (he got a 6" with TV Receiver, extra Battery and CyanogenOS) for ~€200, they were also making small ones. At the time he told me, the company has been bought by Lenovo and shut down... So here I was, thinking what to do if my (already too big ) Nexus 5 goes dark one day.
I ended up being in contact with a custom Android device manufacturer, who could produce our dream phone, for a reasonable price, with a minimum quantity of 5000 devices. If we could find enough people interested in this, we could make it happen ourselves

Oneplus 5 VS S8+

i think it's so great that the oneplus 5 is so fast compare to s8 .
HTML:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO0kuUXpaPA

Yeah its much faster. Of course that has nothing to do with the fact they are fiddling the benchmarks. Nope nothing at all.

Plus the fact that the OS that runs on the OP5 is lighter than Touchwiz.

the S8 is like the Ferrari of phones and One Plus is like the SSC of phones..

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Yeah its much faster. Of course that has nothing to do with the fact they are fiddling the benchmarks. Nope nothing at all.
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They are fiddling benchmarks, but it doesn't have anything to do with real world usage. The ONLY area where it has any sort of effect is when running a benchmark application to get a score, no benchmarks are showed in the video. It is a dirty trick, especially when Oneplus was checked for doing it only a couple of months back, and they still continue to cheat their customers unfairly. Samsung did it 3-4 years ago, and have never done it after getting checked for it once back then.
If opening like 20 apps one after one in a hurry (and having them all open instantly when you return to them 10 seconds later) is what matters to you in a phone, then the OP5 is perfect for you. But it simply doesn't have the polished and thought out design that the S8 has, the S8 software is designed to be a smooth continuous experience, while the OP5 software is basically stock Android with tweaks. There is no always on display, no fancy animating wallpapers, no fancy transition animations or themes, it's a bare user experience. I much prefer to have my phone look like an eye candy sitting on the table and have the beautiful syncing infinity wallpaper, over having that small bit of extra performance that only rarely comes in use.
Then the biggest difference, the display. The OP5 bezels on the bottom and top are massive, and I don't think that I could ever go back to a phone with a design like that after using the S8+'s MASSIVE infinity display with tiny bezels. After the price increases to the Oneplus line every year, it's becoming more and more unclear whether it's a flagship killer priced phone, or a flagship priced phone. You could easily get a price discounted S8 for the price of the 8GB RAM OP5 model (which has absolutely no advance over the 6GB model btw, because the amount of background processes is still limited to the exact same amount as the 6GB model to save battery). It of course would have been great to have the extra 2GB of RAM for the S8, but I haven't had a single problem with the amount so far, a lot is still free after having tons of apps open.

No contest, I'd take the S8 over the Oneplus 5 if they were giving it away. A very shady company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

S8+ over OP5:
battery life
screen size
screen resolution
camera
build
ip68
sd card (i am not sure that the op5 has it)
slim bezels
OP5 over s8+:
faster
charges faster
almost stock (for those who prefer stock)
in overall the S8+ is a more compelling choice....it almost has everything you want in a phone....but it's a bit expensive

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I just got a 8 ram 128 G version of OP5 and as I was going back and forth between the OP5 to the S8+ , I immediately put the OP5 down and decided to return it. The OP5 is so backwards in its build, no matter how fast it is (not much more than S8+) the S8+ is too superior in it's overall presence to deny.

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Thank you .

Me too, tomorrow will return op5.
S8 plus is better so far
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Sold my 3t a month ago so I could buy the OP5, missed the pre-sale by a couple hours... Since then have been looking at the pixel XL and s8+ until the official release of the OP5 on the 27th, after consideration and research ordered and s8+ for $600 pre owned. For only $60 more than the 128gb OP5 I was going to get I'll take the more premium flagship (camera and display on the S8+ won me over). My 3t was incredibly smooth and very good at multitasking so hopefully my s8+ will fare as a nice alternative upgrade. However I will miss the custom rom community in the meantime

I would love to buy the oneplus 5, but I'd also love to buy the Xiaomi 6, the Oppo whatever, Next Moto, Lenovo, and LG. Anyway, I admire the 1+ company and am thankful they have made such a positive impact. The back of their new phone simply looks amazing - it's hands down the best back. Better than the Huawei, Xiaomi, Samsung, and Iphone (that it apparently copies). It just looks sexy good. However, I'm not interested because I have invested in the s8+. I simply like that screen. When you engineer something like that, you deserve my hard earned. However, I really hope people still buy the one plus, xiaomi, etc because it always pushes those boundaries. I am so thankful Android exists, otherwise I'd be one of those strange beasts with an unlocked apple ... urggh.

I bounced between the these 2 a lot. I liked the familiar look of the OP5 (physical-ish home button), and I liked the speed and dual camera. On the other end I like the experience that Samsung creates in its devices. I finally settled on an unlocked SD S8+ since Samsung was willing to give me $300 off if I traded in any working smartphone (100 off plus 200 trade in). Now that my order is in limbo (backorder fml), I keep looking at the OP5 wondering if I chose the wrong phone, but with all of the disappointment surrounding it, and all of the exchanges that people are having to make, I'm glad I went with the S8+.

i bet anyone if i took off animations and my s8 plus, i would beat any oneplus in a speedtest. add if i were to doze all apps i would beat it better. those tests are designed to assure higher marks in a test on purpose. give it a month and it will be so laggy, it will be like a rubber band outstretched. wait for it, backup is coming, REVENGE OF THE NOTE 8 COMEBACK.
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They are fiddling benchmarks, but it doesn't have anything to do with real world usage. The ONLY area where it has any sort of effect is when running a benchmark application to get a score, no benchmarks are showed in the video. It is a dirty trick, especially when Oneplus was checked for doing it only a couple of months back, and they still continue to cheat their customers unfairly. Samsung did it 3-4 years ago, and have never done it after getting checked for it once back then.
If opening like 20 apps one after one in a hurry (and having them all open instantly when you return to them 10 seconds later) is what matters to you in a phone, then the OP5 is perfect for you. But it simply doesn't have the polished and thought out design that the S8 has, the S8 software is designed to be a smooth continuous experience, while the OP5 software is basically stock Android with tweaks. There is no always on display, no fancy animating wallpapers, no fancy transition animations or themes, it's a bare user experience. I much prefer to have my phone look like an eye candy sitting on the table and have the beautiful syncing infinity wallpaper, over having that small bit of extra performance that only rarely comes in use.
Then the biggest difference, the display. The OP5 bezels on the bottom and top are massive, and I don't think that I could ever go back to a phone with a design like that after using the S8+'s MASSIVE infinity display with tiny bezels. After the price increases to the Oneplus line every year, it's becoming more and more unclear whether it's a flagship killer priced phone, or a flagship priced phone. You could easily get a price discounted S8 for the price of the 8GB RAM OP5 model (which has absolutely no advance over the 6GB model btw, because the amount of background processes is still limited to the exact same amount as the 6GB model to save battery). It of course would have been great to have the extra 2GB of RAM for the S8, but I haven't had a single problem with the amount so far, a lot is still free after having tons of apps open.
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THIS REPLY IS THE SANEST LOGICAL RESPONSE TO REALITY.why even compare oneplus to the top dog for now. note 8 is next ad infinitum.
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galaxyytester said:
they are fiddling benchmarks, but it doesn't have anything to do with real world usage. The only area where it has any sort of effect is when running a benchmark application to get a score, no benchmarks are showed in the video. It is a dirty trick, especially when oneplus was checked for doing it only a couple of months back, and they still continue to cheat their customers unfairly. Samsung did it 3-4 years ago, and have never done it after getting checked for it once back then.
If opening like 20 apps one after one in a hurry (and having them all open instantly when you return to them 10 seconds later) is what matters to you in a phone, then the op5 is perfect for you. But it simply doesn't have the polished and thought out design that the s8 has, the s8 software is designed to be a smooth continuous experience, while the op5 software is basically stock android with tweaks. There is no always on display, no fancy animating wallpapers, no fancy transition animations or themes, it's a bare user experience. I much prefer to have my phone look like an eye candy sitting on the table and have the beautiful syncing infinity wallpaper, over having that small bit of extra performance that only rarely comes in use.
Then the biggest difference, the display. The op5 bezels on the bottom and top are massive, and i don't think that i could ever go back to a phone with a design like that after using the s8+'s massive infinity display with tiny bezels. After the price increases to the oneplus line every year, it's becoming more and more unclear whether it's a flagship killer priced phone, or a flagship priced phone. You could easily get a price discounted s8 for the price of the 8gb ram op5 model (which has absolutely no advance over the 6gb model btw, because the amount of background processes is still limited to the exact same amount as the 6gb model to save battery). It of course would have been great to have the extra 2gb of ram for the s8, but i haven't had a single problem with the amount so far, a lot is still free after having tons of apps open.
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liver20 said:
me too, tomorrow will return op5.
S8 plus is better so far
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Negativezeroxxxx said:
Sold my 3t a month ago so I could buy the OP5, missed the pre-sale by a couple hours... Since then have been looking at the pixel XL and s8+ until the official release of the OP5 on the 27th, after consideration and research ordered and s8+ for $600 pre owned. For only $60 more than the 128gb OP5 I was going to get I'll take the more premium flagship (camera and display on the S8+ won me over). My 3t was incredibly smooth and very good at multitasking so hopefully my s8+ will fare as a nice alternative upgrade. However I will miss the custom rom community in the meantime
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i got my s8+ new on offered up for $500 unlocked version with purchase receipt. but if u really want a deal. u can get urs for $525. using the trading in samsung. head over slickdeals they have a thread all about. u purchase the phone for $525 ($425 for regular s8) when un receive the phone. u ship. back. any old funcionable cell phone. it could be a $10 prepaid phone.

Definitely an appealing phone. Strongly considering ditching my S8+ for it. I just can't get over the bloat, duplicate apps and Touchwiz/Samsung experience. It is better this time around but still just seems extremely excessive. Never had a pure android experience or even remotely near it. Very tempting.

Symphony0fLife said:
Definitely an appealing phone. Strongly considering ditching my S8+ for it. I just can't get over the bloat, duplicate apps and Touchwiz/Samsung experience. It is better this time around but still just seems extremely excessive. Never had a pure android experience or even remotely near it. Very tempting.
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I seriously wouldn't bother. The Pixel was supposed to be the fastest experience and pure unbloated lag free time, but it wasn't.
Samsung S8+ (Especially the Xynos version) is the most polished and fastest experience you'll get on a phone, and the op5 camera won't impress.

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I seriously wouldn't bother. The Pixel was supposed to be the fastest experience and pure unbloated lag free time, but it wasn't.
Samsung S8+ (Especially the Xynos version) is the most polished and fastest experience you'll get on a phone, and the op5 camera won't impress.
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I already have. I couldn't decide between the Huawei P10 Plus and the OnePlus 5, so I ordered both with the intention of comparing them to the S8+ and sending back whatever phones don't impress (or since the S8+ is beyond return date just selling it off since it's perfect condition).
The P10 Plus already came, and it beats the holy hell out of the S8 in terms of camera (for my use, anyway). The android experience is as bloated or maybe even more so on the Huawei than the S8, but it has less lag and performance glitches and more of the bloat is removeable along with about an hour more SOT than the S8+ in my usage so far. So the S8+ is already out of the picture. OnePlus 5 should arrive either today or tomorrow. I've heard about issues with the camera, but have also seen that areas it underperforms against current flagships are virtually all in low light (which doesn't matter for my use) and most are patchable things so it's not a total write off to me. Most folks so far seem to prefer it over everything else in daylight unless they're wanting a wide angle, which again, isn't a problem for me. The only huge issue I've seen is a lack of OIS making trouble with 4k video, which I don't use, and it beating out the others using the EIS in 1080 (which I do use).
It's not that the S8+ is a bad phone to me. Just most of the things it has that make it unique are gimmicky. I don't use any of the advanced features, the edge display or the duplicate software. It underperforms in practical use compared to lesser hardware and since I don't use the things that make it unique, I can't justify it.

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I already have. I couldn't decide between the Huawei P10 Plus and the OnePlus 5, so I ordered both with the intention of comparing them to the S8+ and sending back whatever phones don't impress (or since the S8+ is beyond return date just selling it off since it's perfect condition).
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I suppose you already received your OP5. Could you please give your opinion on OP5 vs S8 & OP5 vs P10?

Question worth the "upgrade"?

I currently have an S9+, and aside from the battery dying much quicker than it used to, it still runs fine. I was looking at trading in for the S21+ since T-Mobile has a decent offer, but I'm having trouble deciding if it's worth it. The specs don't look to be that huge of a leap above what I have now, slightly faster processor and slightly more memory, and the screen resolution is actually a downgrade. Plus, no SD card.
The Ultra looks like it would be, but I don't want to spend quite that much. I'm not seeing enough to convince me on the 21+ Am I missing something or is it really not worth upgrading?

BradHP said:
I currently have an S9+, and aside from the battery dying much quicker than it used to, it still runs fine. I was looking at trading in for the S21+ since T-Mobile has a decent offer, but I'm having trouble deciding if it's worth it. The specs don't look to be that huge of a leap above what I have now, slightly faster processor and slightly more memory, and the screen resolution is actually a downgrade. Plus, no SD card.
The Ultra looks like it would be, but I don't want to spend quite that much. I'm not seeing enough to convince me on the 21+ Am I missing something or is it really not worth upgrading?
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Jump on the hype train my dude ! Look at funny camera holes, not good 4 trypophobia lul
Spoiler: Me ranting about the design
No seriously, I think the upgrade is more on the look and feel side than anything else, and my personal tastes don't really hate the new design but don't love it either. It's like they tried to be revolutionary, then someone on twitter told them the first design was offensive to the [insert random common point, physical trait, interests and tastes] group of people, so they sanatized it so everyone would not feel it's awful. Well it worked, I don't think it awful but damn that's booooooorrriiiiiiiiiinnng.
in short I think you're fine with what you have, and i may even say try to look elsewhere a little, you might find your true love (in phone of course) in another brand
Have a nice day.

Raiz said:
Jump on the hype train my dude ! Look at funny camera holes, not good 4 trypophobia lul
Spoiler: Me ranting about the design
No seriously, I think the upgrade is more on the look and feel side than anything else, and my personal tastes don't really hate the new design but don't love it either. It's like they tried to be revolutionary, then someone on twitter told them the first design was offensive to the [insert random common point, physical trait, interests and tastes] group of people, so they sanatized it so everyone would not feel it's awful. Well it worked, I don't think it awful but damn that's booooooorrriiiiiiiiiinnng.
in short I think you're fine with what you have, and i may even say try to look elsewhere a little, you might find your true love (in phone of course) in another brand
Have a nice day.
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Thanks, I'm already leaning towards not getting the S21. I don't understand how it's barely an upgrade (and in some ways a downgrade) from the phone I've had for 3 years. Looking into the OnePlus 8T right now.

BradHP said:
Thanks, I'm already leaning towards not getting the S21. I don't understand how it's barely an upgrade (and in some ways a downgrade) from the phone I've had for 3 years. Looking into the OnePlus 8T right now.
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I have a OP8. OnePlus is. A good brand, but if you prefer smaller phones (which I doubt since you had samsung phones lol), check Google Pixels

Yeah, I like the biggest screen I can afford. Watch a lot of Netflix/Prime/Youtube on the go. I already went ahead and ordered that OnePlus 8T after reading more reviews and the forums here. Can't beat the price of free when I trade in the S9.

I decided to upgrade from my Note 9 to the 21+. Why? Because I felt like it and got a great deal from AT&T on my trade in. My Note was running fine, but it is getting a little long in the tooth since It's been 2+ years.
I chose the Plus because I wanted the bigger screen and bigger battery. The glass vs plastic wasn't an issue for me, I'd have been fine with either. I also didn't want to spend the $$$ for the Ultra since I'm not a big photo person, just a casual photographer for personal purposes. The plus was just in that nice sweet spot for me, and I knew this would be the last flagship that I'd get the big $800 credit from AT&T for a trade-in, so I figured I might as well take advantage while I could.

How much the battery on your S9+ last?
With the S21+ you will have twice the battery time. The 1080+ screen actually increases battery time by about 20-30% over the unncecessarily high (IMO) QHD+ resolution
And apart from battery is far better in processor power of course, and an upgrade in genearl in many ways... On screen fingerprint reader, much faster one, far better cameras, better audio, and so on

Definitely worth it. My last phone is exynos s9+ and definitely s21+ (exynos) double performance and double the battery life

I came from a VZW Pixel 3aXl....to a Unlocked phone... seems like an upgrade to me, plus I got 200 bucks tradein

BradHP said:
I currently have an S9+, and aside from the battery dying much quicker than it used to, it still runs fine. I was looking at trading in for the S21+ since T-Mobile has a decent offer, but I'm having trouble deciding if it's worth it. The specs don't look to be that huge of a leap above what I have now, slightly faster processor and slightly more memory, and the screen resolution is actually a downgrade. Plus, no SD card.
The Ultra looks like it would be, but I don't want to spend quite that much. I'm not seeing enough to convince me on the 21+ Am I missing something or is it really not worth upgrading?
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The s21 Plus looks great but honestly I went from Samsung to Sony to Huawei to Xiaomi and I find Xiaomi to be the best, decent custom ROM support and good hardware, a lot cheaper than Samsung devices too. Maybe take a look at the Mi 10 Ultra? Not sure about where you are from though, afaik you have to import them into the UK. If you don't mind flashing a new ROM to your phone and tinkering around with it, I'd go for a Xiaomi. Big fan of Sony's though, the hardware is awesome and they're pretty much bloat free out of the box

I moved from S10+ to S21+ and I'm happy with the change because S21's screen is flat, the battery life improved, the camera improved a lot, the fingerprint scanner is way much better than s10+, I like the screen to be setup to 96Khz for example, still it has the crappy amoled with terrible PWM like most of the phones... If you have the S9+ that has much worse battery than s10+, the s21+ could be a good choice in all senses.
Take in consideration that Android 11 is still not very good in general and we need to wait 6 month till we will see an improvement.
I never been interested in the ultra because its curved screen, is not practical.

Like everyone else whether a device is an "upgrade" comes down to preferences, useful features which make a difference. Price is a consideration but not an issue if the device stacks up. Trade-in promotional pricing doesn't motivate me for a number of reasons. First off, I don't want to deal with carrier bloatware. Secondly, I don't care to enter into a muli-year commitment with any Service Provider. Lastly, all US Galaxy variants are bootloader locked.
My daily driver is an SM-G9750, S10 Plus, Hong Kong variant. I would enjoy Snapdragon's latest SoC found on the S21 but that's not saying the S10 Plus is slow, it's not. A larger battery is also appealing but I'm pretty sure I'll still need to charge the battery once a day. The cameras on the S21 Plus are the same as the S20 Plus and the only difference from the S10 Plus is a bit larger appiture. 5G is in it's infancy but at this time many of the useful iOT it will enable aren't yet available. Additionally, many 5G users state it's not much faster if any, than a good 4G pipe but at this time for device manufacturers and service providers 5G is a goldmine, the greatest marketing scheme since light beer. Based on my preferences these are issues I have with the S21 Plus.
1) No MicroSD. Sorry but I have zero faith in Cloud Storage, not only for data security but privacy as well. Samsung has also reduced internal storage capacity. 256 GB isn't enough, I have to close double that amount on my MicroSD already and adding more every week. It also saves time when you need to transfer data to a new device.
2) Camera Housing. The S21 camera module is an improvement over the S20 which is awful. It blends into the frame a bit better but it still doesn't lay flat and will snag coming in and out of pant pockets. It also degrades the device's symmetry. Samsung has like many of their competitors have gone overboard with multiple lenses. I'm certain if you had a photo from an S10 and another from an S21 side by side, you wouldn't be able to tell which device created the snaps. That's the trend in mobile phones but if you want really great photos, use a camera not your phone.
3) 3.5mm Jack. Wired audio is the gold standard, Bluetooth doesn't compare and who wants the hassle with charging buds? Yes, I can buy new earphones with a USB connector if I don't want to use a dongle but then I can't charge my device while listening to audio files, which I do often. Plus I really like my earphones, they sound great!
3) Flat Display. I like the look of Immersive Displays. I do a lot of gaming and watch a ton of movies or videos. A curved display doesn't bother me at all.
4) Size. The s21 Plus and Ultra aren't pocket phones. They're huge, closing in on tablet size, just too big! I prefer a device I can easily slip in and out of my front pocket. If I went with an S21 it would fit well but sacrifice a number of features.
5) Screen Resolution. Not sure in most instances if I could tell the difference between 1080 X 2400 and 1440 X 3040 Pixels but why downgrade on an "upgrade"?
6) No Earphones or Charger. Not my biggest issues but then again isn't the S21 Plus supposed to be an "upgrade" over my current device?

samsung offered me a crazy good deal. traded in my note 20 which sucked anyway. gave me a huge trade in credit. only 199 which they jacked to 260 something with bogus shipping fee and tax. free galaxy buds plus. 200 dollar credit towards accessories. it was a crazy good pre order deal. its always the cheapskates who ask questions like this. of course your old phone battery is ****. thats gonna happen. is it worth it? if the phone has better features [except for losing MST] and costs next to nothing in trade hell yes it is. samsung gives me great offers and has since 2 years ago when I traded my S8+ in for an S10+.

I just bought it and upgraded from S8+
Apart from battery I can barely see any notable improvement so I imagine that from the S9 the improvement is even smaller.
I thought my phone was dead so I bought a new one. I then starting playing with the OS and "Odin"ed the **** out of it and now I have 2 almost identical phones.
Still worth for me as my old S8+ is not working properly with the camera and GPS but if the hardware would have been ok, I probably wouldn't have upgraded.

For me: Worth it 100x over. My previous phone was an lg g7 thinq.
That thing took a beating and was quite the loyal device.
However, it was my carrier that ultimately decided I jump ship and upgrade. After their recent merger, I began to roam in my upstairs office. Started to miss calls and texts. Bad bad bad.
So, as I said I jumped ship; to a carrier affiliated with my internet provider *cough*.
I looked over their offerings, and the S21+ jumped out as being the "best bang for the buck".
Never had a Samsung device before, but so far I'm loving it! My wife got one too, and she feels the same.
Got the 256GB variant, and that gave me some relief, as the lg was starting to act funky as I had to move a lot of apps to an sd card so I wouldn't run out of space.
Again, for me, totally worth it. Feels like I went from a buick to a lamborghini!

Am I late to jump on the bandwagon? Anyway, I just received mine a week ago and here are my thoughts why this should be worth or doesn't worth to be upgrade.
I came from Huawei P20 Pro. IMHO if you're holding last year models such as P40 Pro or Galaxy S20, you shouldn't upgrade to this one unless you're offered with a crazy trade-in deal.
So, if your phone is older than last year models? Like S9, S10, Huawei P20 Pro, or iPhoneX etc, the specs worth an upgrade, but the price is still arguable. You shouldn't get this one on MSRP. Only do it if there is some sweet deals. For example, in Brazil, they added a SF charger for free. That's the least deal you should go for. For me, in SG, I've received Galaxy Buds Pro and a Samsung 10k mAh Wireless Charging Power Bank, and a Samsung Clear Case. That deal is a can't miss one.
Storage-wise, on my previous P20 Pro, which is 128 gb, it barely hit to 80 gb after 2 years of photos and video recording. Have a few gb of songs downloaded but nothing else. I didn't install big-ass games. So, for this one, 256 Gb should last long enough for me. In case if the storage run out, I'll simply backup the large files to my PC and carry on. No big issue on the storage.
No audio jack is a bummer. My P20 Pro also doesn't come with a round hole, but at least, they throw a cheap USB to 3.5mm adapter in the box. Samsung even doesn't bother with it. So unless if you get a pair of Buds Pro like me, you should get some Bluetooth headphones, or if you still prefer your wire earphones, get those kind of adapters that you can plug-in your charger and 3.5mm audio jack at the same time.
For display, I didn't buy any of the previous Galaxy phones because of that waterfall edge display. Didn't fancy a curve edge especially because it's very hard to get a good screen protector. This flat screen is perfect for me. The issue comes where I have to decide between FHD 120Hz and UHD 60Hz display. I used to use UHD display on my LG V20, and if someone said the pixels are not noticeable, I'd surely give him a pair of glasses. They're very noticeable, but 120Hz wins over the 60Hz, so, I have to pick-up the FHD again.
For an Asian, I got a pretty big hands, so size of this phone is not a problem, especially it is even slimmer than some other smaller screen phones. But when your screen is 6.7" and FHD, the pixel density goes below 400 dpi (398 dpi to be exact). If you've got an OCD for this, get an S21, because it has got higher dpi than the S21 Plus.
To wrap things up, the deciding factor for me to choose this phone over other contenders such as OnePlus 8T, Mi 11 etc are as follows.
- Not Chinese Brand (currently, we're boycotting as much Chinese brands as possible)
- Excellent camera setup. (Easy win over OP 8T)
- larger battery
- sweet deals (to receive $300 worth of freebies for a $1000 phone is undeniable).

The new replacement phone for LG V20 is FINALLY here?

After many years, and a lot of looking around - I think we finally have a new replacement for the LG V20. I just got it not long ago, so I still need to use it as my daily phone.
I have already rooted the phone with Magisk which there is already is an unofficial guide to and still setting it up, so is the small German company of Shift as they are still working on the software - they have 2 stocks in production, Android 10 Google version and Android 10 without Google.
The phone has the 3 essential as I call them, removeable battery, Micro SD and Jack phone! Although it is somewhat costly compared to a used LG V20 phone - but if anyone wants an upgrade on the CPU and Graphic, Internal storage, RAM and so forth, this is the way to go.
Ordering the phone should come quickly now, as the wait time should be over as they have been sending them out for the last couple of months - so there should not be any big wait time for it now.
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Shift Shop | SHIFT6mq (preorder) (shiftphones.com)
I was looking on the Fairphone 3 and Shift 6mq - I actually ended up just going for another used LG V20, but because of the nonsense of Corona I could not get a new LG V20 from Hongkong and the phone was never sold in Europe. In any case I had to bite the bigger price and the Fairphone 3 was disqualified because of only 64GB internal, I knew I had to have an upgrade on that as I am easily filling it with stuff. The only option although pricy was the Shift6mq - But I needed a new phone as the old LG V20 was dying more and more each and every day. So I ordered it a good amount of month ago, and now it is finally arrived.
I have just installed the Light version of there System without Google and rooted it - I have yet to use it in daily life but it looks good. I have benchmarked it against the LG V20 and not surprisingly it beats it with ease. There are of cause some negative things as well, battery can be somewhat tough to get out of the phone, I used some sandpaper on the bottom of the batteries that seemed to do the work to easier taking them out. They surely stick in the mobile when they are in there, which is not a bad thing, but a little less strong would have been nice. Again, it seems to work with some fine sandpaper, to ease this issue. Maybe it will work itself out with use over time, but... Well... Sandpaper seemed to work
I also have a Camera issue it seems, whereas the front camera is pointing somewhat upward, but it seems to be just my unit and not the norm, there could be 2 solutions to this and have to work that out at some point. But the Camera is working so it is not a big biggie, just annoying.
The internal speaker does seems somewhat weaker then the LG V20, but the phone jack, does well with my speakers, so no problem there.
That is the first impressions I have with it... I think this will be my next phone for the next 5 years, just some stuff to sort out and move all my applications over to it. I though you LG V20 users would like to know that there is now an alternative, with greater CPU and Graphics and Internal memory available, would love to see more people coming over to grow it up in the right direction and helping each other!
And supporting a small company, although not perfect in any way, at least it still stands on some sanity, with a degoogled system and the 3 essential important things for a mobile.
You don't need the plastic cover either, you can use the protection cover only without any issues - if you do not need the payment thing that is in it, personally I never used it myself.
If anyone have any questions in regards of it, just shoot! But I am still new to the phone - so I have yet used it as my daily driver, but I'm getting there! Just had to sort out the rooting and see what could do, break it down and such. It was many hoops to do, but now that I know, I can help others if you have any issues on those part
Sadly a lot of German, they have a forum and they speak mostly German - but, we can get an English Community as well around it I am sure, and help each other. Beside there are tools for translating
Dearly regards
- Darkijah
P.S you get a Screwdriver with your phone, as they have focus on taking it apart and fixing it yourself and such. So the Phone is designed with that in mind. No Charger as most have chargers already to use, but a Screwdriver
Although it seems to charge as "fast" or slow as the LG V20, around 2:30 hour as far as my testing goes for now. Sadly no external chargers for batteries like the V20 had, at least not for now. I had 2 of these chargers for my LG V20 and have used them a lot. Shift may have something up there sleeve for it, but time will tell.

Will this work on Verizon?

baldybill said:
Will this work on Verizon?
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No idea, don't even know what it is... Some kind of streaming to TV?... It's standard Android 10, so... if it is an Application for streaming I would think so, but really, have no idea.

It's a cell phone service in the USA. (along with AT&T, Spring, TMobile, etc.)
What cell phone services does this phone work on?

These are the phone's supported bands:
LTE Frequenzbänder: FDD-LTE B1 / B3 / B7 / B20 / B28, TDD-LTE B38 / B39 / B40 / B41
3G Frequenzbänder: UMTS / HSPA+ / DC-HSDPA: B1 / B2 / B3 / B5 / B8, CDMA (800, 1900, 2100Mhz), TD-SCDMA (1900, 2000Mhz)
T-Mobile LTE (2, 4, 5, 12, 66, 71) is out. AT&T LTE (2, 4, 5, 12, 14, 17, 29, 30, 66) is out. Verizon LTE (2, 4, 5, 13, 46, 48, 66) is out.
The only LTE band supported by any US carrier is Sprint on 41 and one band is not anything to safely rely on long-term following the T-Mobile merger.

Ahhh I have no idea @baldybill but @Snakecharmed seemed to give you the answer. Not so knowledgeable on those areas. But we are all here to learn, I would think

It is already looking good, have installed the Light version and gotten it rooted - still need to move my applications over to it. But it is progressing
I did play a racing game, although I really should not - but it runs perfectly fluent compared to the LG V20 which is not a surprise. Even in the highest setting it seem to run more smooth then the lowest on the LG V20, but really somewhat unfair because of the 4-5 year differences between them. The screen itself also looks better, clear and crisp, although I have seen some issues other places when the screen is all white. But Shift are are still working on the 2 stock systems so... But the game itself was crisp and clear and overall the game was running fluently on the highest setting.
I don't think I will look much back to the LG V20 when I get this up and running as my daily driver. Although, I would like to try out Lineage on my LG V20 if possible, version 10, I am thinking it might get me closer together to have the same usability compared to each other... But maybe not...
Dunno, in any case it is looking good and promising! Finally an upgrade from the LG V20, a phone with the 3 essentials. How hard it can be for companies to do sane things these days.
exFAT is at the moment not supported by Shift 6mq but support for it should be coming! Something about some worldly stuff needed to run through... Can't remember the details. But it is on the way as I understand it. At the moment it only runs FAT32, which is kinda annoying as that only supports 4 GB files.
Anyway... As said they are still working hard on the software so... 2 systems, google and ungoogle versions.

Fully serviceable phones seem to be more popular in Europe than in the US. The Shift6mq seems to be the most advanced option I've seen so far in terms of hardware. The Snapdragon 845 is a couple of generations old, but the total package apart from audio hardware is a clear improvement over the V20. However, if I had to pick the #1 reason why I still use the V20 daily, it's the second screen.
There's no real equivalent to the Shift6mq in the US. The best option I've seen here is the Teracube 2e and between the 720p screen resolution and the MediaTek A25 chipset, it kinda sucks.

Okay, I just dropped my phone from 10-15 cm while sitting on the toilet flipping it around, although having the silicon *Or something of that kind* protection I did not think much about it really... But... My screen broke. I have never ever experienced an issue with my LG V20, actually after 4 years the screen still seems like new, and it has been dropped a good amount of times.
Yet one single minor small drop - and I now have a broken new mobile which screen is broke. I though it was the Gorilla glass at first with 2 lines of breaking but... Investigating further it seems the Gorilla is just fine - "just" the screen behind it, that is broke. And investigating further the line starts from the bottom left corner and goes up at the side, and in the middle of the screen it goes out in 2 lines. There is a minor thing as well over it in the left side.
Beside the none colors and weird colors it makes, I am pretty sure the screen is broke. I saw this guy breaking mobiles, and this seem to be the same screen issue that he gets when Jerry I think his name is, brakes the mobiles.
*Sigh* And I did not even get to use the mobile as a daily driver before it failed on me :/ I was trying to find an app that could get my applications unto it, after now being rooted and on the ungoogled version of Shift. I first tried an open source app which could not restore the backed up applications on A10, I was then at the point of it happening trying with Titanium Backup, but it needed you to push with every single Application, which actually was what did me in and made me drop it. Usual I would have laid it down once until finish, but here you had to wait for installing the app and then push again.
I think this is one of these Free features that most likely is not in the Pro version - but knowing not if the app works, I wanted to test it before maybe buying it.
Anyway... My new fresh phone from Germany is Broke... *Sigh* Terrible just Terrible. Well, at least moving forward, but if this is standard that the screen dies by so little... Well, hopefully it was just a faulty item, although I am afraid that it might not be. What is the point of Gorilla protection if the screen just blows up by itself without even touching the surface of the Gorilla glass. Seems to me that it must have been the vibrations overall that killed the screen, as it just hit the Silicon cover protecting it as it should.
Whatever the case, my new phone is RIP for now! Well, I guess it is good I got the new used LG V20 that is rooted and running! At least I can focus on that for now, it still needs some fixing, yet it is my daily driver and would be until getting the other up and running with all the apps and setup which I was closing into. But now really hit into a biggie with the new phone. Oh well...
Dearly regards
- Darkijah

Well, there was a screwdriver with the mobile and... I've just looked into repairing the screen. It does look like it won't be that hard, I hope... The whole idea with the Shift phone was that one could repair it by them self, although hopefully the screens normally don't break so quick. It could easily become expensive if one needs to buy a screen every time one drops it. Hopefully I had a faulty screen, or they might need to investigate into better screens. Like that was just way to easy to break.

Okay Carsten from Shift wanna have a look on the mobile - I will send it back and hopefully he can get something out of it. Nice to see they care about their products
Hopefully this is not a normal thing, and if it is - then I hope they get it corrected. Like 4 years without a cracking screen on my LG V20, and then just a small and first drop of the new - it ruined Only one other time have I ruined a phone, when I was in Israel and I dropped my Samsung Note 2 directly hitting a stone with the screen faced down. But it was still working at least. Actually that was the outer protection screen which broke, and not the screen itself.
Who knows, might have had a weak screen of production - in any case, they wanna have a look at it.

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better everything compaired to the v20
1 question standing
can it be rooted?
other then that this might be added to your list of alt's?

A bump for anyone in a similar boat casually looking for a V20 successor and having to consider tradeoffs:
Although I'm still currently not looking to replace the V20 as my daily phone, if I had to buy a phone that has at least been announced in 2021, it would be the Sony Xperia 1 III. The main tradeoff is a non-removable battery.
Everything else is top tier in specs and it retains the removable storage and 3.5 mm jack, has USB-C 3.x, and doesn't compromise on CPU, 5G connectivity, or screen, camera, or audio quality like many of these alternatives. I generally don't care about price because I usually don't buy new phones anyway and I would hypothetically wait out the Xperia 1 III for at least half a year after release if I were to get one. The only brand new phone I've ever bought was the LG G4.
I've been getting tired of watching Asus screw people over on either the removable storage or 3.5 mm jack with both their Zenfone and ROG flagships, so I'm glad Sony finally included both in a contemporary flagship when everyone else has been allergic to these features.
Obviously, everyone has different priorities for what features are must-haves when moving on from the V20, but a non-removable battery isn't a dealbreaker to me as long as replacing it doesn't cause permanent cosmetic damage to the exterior. Rootability isn't very important to me anymore either after seeing how my Galaxy Tab S4 hasn't made me miss root much thanks to Blokada and YouTube Vanced.

i have no idea if this is a good option as i am not intelligent enough to read German
Shift Shop | SHIFT6m
SHIFT6m
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if anyone here is looking for a v20 replacement can you translate this to 'MURICAN so a simple guy can understand?
i am wanting to know if it is rooted, can it be rooted, the battery replacement (4240mah) options such as who makes the original and can i get more for replacements or upgrades, and...the rest i can gather from the wiki page
Shift6m - Wikipedia
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zeroderp said:
i have no idea if this is a good option as i am not intelligent enough to read German
Shift Shop | SHIFT6m
SHIFT6m
shop.shiftphones.com
if anyone here is looking for a v20 replacement can you translate this to 'MURICAN so a simple guy can understand?
i am wanting to know if it is rooted, can it be rooted, the battery replacement (4240mah) options such as who makes the original and can i get more for replacements or upgrades, and...the rest i can gather from the wiki page
Shift6m - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
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Do you expect to use this device as a phone in the US? Because the exact same thing I mentioned about the 6mq's compatibility with US carriers applies to the 6m.

haha, that's hilarious. Was just looking at that phone for a replacement, too.
The screen issue is that the v20 had a p-oled, LGs plastic substrate led (the amoleds have a glass layer over the led plates). I wonder who is actually going to take up that in the business now. Presumably LG will be making more of these gorgeous screens (..last one was in the Velvet, I guess?). But the amoleds are a bit more expensive to make, while they are typically even more expensive to purchase (meaning: better margins). So that's going to push them out of the market, just like the lithium polymer batteries were for .. gods.. 15-20 years. There's still phones with organic batteries - that you can't change - that are sold right now, in extremely expensive phones.
So it's a bit difficult to find an actually good phone that will last a bit right now.. Kind of wondering if that will ever actually change, unless someone who knows about tech, and also has enough money to just say **** it, starts making actually good phones - and sell them at the price-range they actually cost to make. Xiaomi, or some other more domestic Chinese brand might be the best bet, to be perfectly honest..

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Presumably LG will be making more of these gorgeous screens
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LG just announced it will not be making the mobile phones anymore. Done. Lol, like you said, someone said "**** it", just that they stopped making phones. I think it is sad.

Don't buy the Shift phone 6mq.
The screen broke again and got lots of issues overall with it. Back on an old "new" LG V20 phone non rooted.
I had so much hope for this but it sucks.
- Darkijah

Jesus is God Almighty said:
Don't buy the Shift phone 6mq.
The screen broke again and got lots of issues overall with it. Back on an old "new" LG V20 phone non rooted.
I had so much hope for this but it sucks.
- Darkijah
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Thanks for an update on the Shift phone. THe LG V20 is truly a special phone, it has everything I could ask for, though not 100% executed with perfection (for example, LG was very innovative to include the "notched" 2nd screen, however I'd rather it be uniform... be it LCD, or nowadays everything is OLED).
3 things that the LG v20 has that we probably won't see emphasized again are: (1)IR blaster(great to use as a smart remote!), (2)user replaceable battery(just swap and go, so convenient... and when the battery is no longer holding charge, it's just so easy to put in a fresh battery... no pulling the phone apart or dealing with resealing, etc.), (3) amplified quad dac 3.5mm jack(not just any 3.5 jack, but a high performing one!).... of course there is the expandable memory too...
Such a beast of a phone that we may not see come back again... unless some wealthy and passionate crowd funders came together to re-release such a phone(in addition to modern and updated SOC's, I'd like to see upgraded cameras... but the fundamentals need to remain: 3.5mm quad dac, user replaceable battery, IR blaster, expandable storage).