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http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-add-wi-fi-calling-support-its-nexus-6-model-early-2015
Shipping with Android 5.0, the new Nexus 6 gives customers the latest and greatest Google mobile experience, and seamless integration with the apps they love. Plus, this hot new smartphone is expected to support Wi-Fi Un-leashed beginning in early 2015 with an over-the-air update– making it the first-ever Nexus device that will support Wi-Fi Calling thanks to enhancements in Android 5.0. And only with the Un-carrier can customers use the latest, super-sized devices the way they were meant to be used – with no annual service contract, no domestic overages and unlimited music streaming all on the nation's fastest LTE network, plus unlimited data and texting in 120+ countries and destinations − and now, Wi-Fi Un-leashed.
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Will this be exclusive to the Nexus 6? If it is, surely it will be possible to port it to the Nexus 5?
Here's to hoping we get this included in our 5.0 update.
my first thought, which is nothing more than a guess, is that this will be hardware based on the N6 and "unlocked" with a T-Mo OTA and will not be able to be ported to the N5.
Lucke said:
my first thought, which is nothing more than a guess, is that this will be hardware based on the N6 and "unlocked" with a T-Mo OTA and will not be able to be ported to the N5.
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considering Tmobile is making this feature available in early 2015 with an OTA I think you are right in guess that this will be something Tmobile bakes into the OS and not functionality native in Android L
Edit: Unless Google has a planned update for L in early 2015 that Tmobile knows about (I highly doubt it)
Improved network handoffs resulting in limited interruption in connectivity. For example, continue your video chat or VoIP calls without interruption as you leave the house and switch from your home Wi-Fi back to cellular
thats from here https://www.android.com/versions/lollipop-5-0/
I think wifi calling and voLTE are going to be baked into 5.0 no matter the carrier
david279 said:
Improved network handoffs resulting in limited interruption in connectivity. For example, continue your video chat or VoIP calls without interruption as you leave the house and switch from your home Wi-Fi back to cellular
thats from here https://www.android.com/versions/lollipop-5-0/
I think wifi calling and voLTE are going to be baked into 5.0 no matter the carrier
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that's my suspicion as well..
google may bake hangouts code (or the hangouts dialer code) into the native dialer, making them one & the same -
http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-5/436152-nexus-5-likely-see-wi-fi-calling-over-t-mobile-soon-4.html#post3918556
david279 said:
Improved network handoffs resulting in limited interruption in connectivity. For example, continue your video chat or VoIP calls without interruption as you leave the house and switch from your home Wi-Fi back to cellular
thats from here https://www.android.com/versions/lollipop-5-0/
I think wifi calling and voLTE are going to be baked into 5.0 no matter the carrier
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but that doesn't necessarily mean that t-mobiles wi-fi calling feature, or VoLTE compatibility is baked into 5.0. VoLTE is too new to test fully, and while that may work, you can't use VoLTE on wi-fi. the features you're talking about is the issue of dropping signal for that split second when you leave your house (the time where wi-fi drops off and cell doesn't re-establish itself instantly) for the purpose of hangouts (voice or video).
i still think that since the N5 isn't compatible with t-mo's wi-fi calling, it's not just a software thing.
that is talking about network handoff in general, nothing about hangouts. And the ota to enable this feature will be released next year so its probably being tweaked now to be ready for next year.
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also wifi calling has never been a hardware feature, its all software. back in the day of early CM(7 or 8) wifi calling was added to all the T-mo htc phones and it was the same as its being done today. A apps and a couple of libs in /system.
in other words, the feature doesn't need a carrier add -on (ims core registration), if it's OS software based..
even right now, we *have it* on the nexus 5, with gv / hangouts / number integration, on wifi & lte & I can stream a youtube vid & be on a call at the same time, so right now, it's a given in the userspace via apps, as an over the top solution (works dam well too)
a revision of android L may deeply provide a seemless solution with it's update; I suspect this much.. (the carrier's ims' Ok on data voice is only complementary) but, can be worked around..
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even right now, we *have it* on the nexus 5, with gv / hangouts / number integration, on wifi & lte & I can stream a youtube vid & be on a call at the same time, so right now, it's a given in the userspace via apps, as an over the top solution (works dam well too)
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its not the same thing. you go from cell signal call to a wifi call with the same number. it is not VoIP.
Zepius said:
its not the same thing. you go from cell signal call to a wifi call with the same number. it is not VoIP.
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even currently, hand-offs isn't reliable, votle / wifi calling is more, stationary than anything, from what I've been reading from the experiences of users on tmobile & Verizon..
with the over the top solution now on the nexus 5 (or many adroid devices), same difference;
one better, technically the nexus 5 isn't even supported on Verizon, but yet, can have voice over lte on Verizon (AWS) with a lte data only connection ..
on other networks, it matters not what the data air interface is, the call can be made, with one solution..
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even currently, hand-offs isn't reliable, votle / wifi calling is more, stationary than anything, from what I've been reading from the experiences of users on tmobile & Verizon..
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this is impossible. Verizon does not have wifi calling at this time.
you cannot compare VoLTE to tmobile's WIFI calling as they are not the same.
VoLTE is only VoIP over LTE. nothing more.
tmobile's wifi calling is a regular cell signal call that can become a VoIP call but still use the original tmobile number.
Zepius said:
this is impossible. Verizon does not have wifi calling at this time.
you cannot compare VoLTE to tmobile's WIFI calling as they are not the same.
VoLTE is only VoIP over LTE. nothing more.
tmobile's wifi calling is a regular cell signal call that can become a VoIP call but still use the original tmobile number.
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look at what you've typed, & go back & re-read what you quoted from me...
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"Keyan X
3 hours ago
The nexus 5 can access and use Verizon LTE its been proven and confirmed"
"iavaj jj
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+Keyan X I'm not disagreeing with you that it DOESN'T work; just expanding that, from my prior post, one can have unfettered data & voice on Verizon's LTE band 4, where coverage is..
Google gave the nexus 5 a backdoor with the new hangouts dialer.."
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Zepius said:
this is impossible. Verizon does not have wifi calling at this time.
you cannot compare VoLTE to tmobile's WIFI calling as they are not the same.
VoLTE is only VoIP over LTE. nothing more.
tmobile's wifi calling is a regular cell signal call that can become a VoIP call but still use the original tmobile number.
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"on other networks, it matters not what the data air interface is, the call can be made, with one solution.. "
I'm on sprint, with gv integration, all I'd need is data -
http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-5/436152-nexus-5-likely-see-wi-fi-calling-over-t-mobile-soon-5.html
anywhere in the world, I'd have the same 202 (wash dc) area code calling out..
j'vai said:
even currently, hand-offs isn't reliable, votle / wifi calling is more, stationary than anything, from what I've been reading from the experiences of users on tmobile & Verizon..
with the over the top solution now on the nexus 5 (or many adroid devices), same difference;
one better, technically the nexus 5 isn't even supported on Verizon, but yet, can have voice over lte on Verizon (AWS) with a lte data only connection ..
on other networks, it matters not what the data air interface is, the call can be made, with one solution..
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nexus 5 does not work on voice over lte(volte) that verizon has. yes, verizons volte just began. no, the nexus 5 does not work on it. only thing that the n5 can do on verizon is get data.
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nexus 5 does not work on voice over lte(volte) that verizon has.
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if it can ALREADY obtain the lte data service ( as in the youtube video) what would hinder gv from making & receiving calls with an over the top solution, with just Verizon acting as a dumb pipe?
it hasn't stopped me on sprint, nor tmobile, I guess it wouldn't stop me on att..
what would stop it on Verizon?
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look at what you've typed, & go back & re-read what you quoted from me...
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"Keyan X
3 hours ago
The nexus 5 can access and use Verizon LTE its been proven and confirmed"
"iavaj jj
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+Keyan X I'm not disagreeing with you that it DOESN'T work; just expanding that, from my prior post, one can have unfettered data & voice on Verizon's LTE band 4, where coverage is..
Google gave the nexus 5 a backdoor with the new hangouts dialer.."
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"on other networks, it matters not what the data air interface is, the call can be made, with one solution.. "
I'm on sprint, with gv integration, all I'd need is data -
http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-5/436152-nexus-5-likely-see-wi-fi-calling-over-t-mobile-soon-5.html
anywhere in the world, I'd have the same 202 (wash dc) area code calling out..
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you still do not understand the difference between VoIP, VoLTE, and wifi callling
I guess the majority are stuck on the schematics of volte, as only being ims based implemented by the carrier, also wifi calling or it ain't real -
"VoLTE, Voice over LTE is an IMS-based specification. Adopting this approach, it enables the system to be integrated with the suite of applications that will become available on LTE."
http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/lte-long-term-evolution/voice-over-lte-volte.php
I'm not swayed by market speak, when the solution is at hand already, market speak sways many to purchases not needed, wen what they had in hand already could have done the job perfectly..
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if it can ALREADY obtain the lte data service ( as in the youtube video) what would hinder gv from making & receiving calls with an over the top solution, with just Verizon acting as a dumb pipe?
it hasn't stopped me on sprint, nor tmobile, I guess it wouldn't stop me on att..
what would stop it on Verizon?
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thats fine, use your google voice number on the data only connection. you said that voice calls work over volte. when in fact they do not. older lte tech did not allow voice calls over lte, so when you made calls, you switched to H or 3G. this new tech allows calls over lte now, which needs a device that can call over lte. the nexus 5 can not call over lte, but most new phones will be able to now.
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you still do not understand the difference between VoIP, VoLTE, and wifi callling
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market speak aside the division of wifi, lte, voip calling, is calls over data - which I expressed my sentiment here (posted for the second time)-
http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-5/436152-nexus-5-likely-see-wi-fi-calling-over-t-mobile-soon-5.html#post3929214
guess I need to copy & paste w/o the pics -
"have a hacker mindset, & push things to work how you want them;
forget simply wifi calling, I want it all, *data calling* irrelevant of the air interface used;
I have a truphone sim, that was collecting dust in my wallet for the longest, last night I decided to try something,
*use it*, lol
it had like $39 odd on it in credit, as stated, I'm a current sprint sub, with google voice integration, I've gave the truphone number to no one, it's basically dormant, minus test calls to keep the account alive, but it's no contact number for me..
what I'm did last night was swap my sprint sim, for the truphone sim, to utilize it's data, while still having my main sprint number via google voice, which I can receive & make, calls, videochat, mms, sms via hangouts, I've set hangouts to *receive incoming calls* since the native dialer isn't tied to the sprint sim anymore (so no double rings from hangouts & the native dialer)...
I want to see how far that $39 will take me..
at home & at work, I'm connect to wifi, so only in between, out & about am I utilizing truphone AKA tmobile's hspa data service-
all calls via the hangouts / gv / sprint number are nothing but data calls, ither on tmobile's hspa or wifi, likewise with sms, mms, & of course video chat.."
I won't have to upgrade from the nexus 5, for the same feature set..
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market speak aside the division of wifi, lte, voip calling, is calls over data - which I expressed my sentiment here (posted for the second time)-
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I won't have to upgrade from the nexus 5, for the same feature set..
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congrats. you discovered VoIP.
VoIP is not the same as VoLTE
VoIP is not the same as WIFI calling.
i'm correcting you because you are spreading mis-information.
simms22 said:
thats fine, use your google voice number on the data only connection. you said that voice calls work over volte. when in fact they do not. older lte tech did not allow voice calls over lte, so when you made calls, you switched to H or 3G. this new tech allows calls over lte now, which needs a device that can call over lte. the nexus 5 can not call over lte, but most new phones will be able to now.
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*my voice calls over lte with google voice on the nexus 5 works wOnders*
& I can use the browser, stream from youtube while on a call.. I don't have to wait for the carriers to *OK* the phone from their IMS core.. I simply go over the top of it, for the same functionality..
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It is fairly easy to install a new D6603 to work completly on the AT&T network. It is not so easy to find the answer of how to do it in the threads and posts. I tried many suggestions and wasted a lot of time. Hopefully this will save you from that fate.
First you must know that you can't use the IMEI number of your new phone if you want it to work completly as it should. If you use the Z3 IMEI you will have trouble with data of various sorts and the phone will go off line when on LTE after 20 or 30 minutes and you will not receive calls or SMS messages. I do not know why but it has been suggested that the AT&T network does not recognise this phone so it causes trouble.
If you have an AT&T nano-sim from your old phone then just put it in the phone. (Cut downs work but can cause other problems some say.) When the SIM is inserted for the first time into a new phone there is a prompt that asks if you want to download the APN. Hit 'yes' and the phone downloads the APN itself.
If it does not ask then go to Settings>More>Mobile Networks>Prefered Network Type and be sure LTE (Preferred) is selected. Then connect your phone to the internet and then go to Settings>More>Internet Settings and select AT&T. You should be good to go.
If you need to get a nano-sim then go to the AT&T store or call and they will give you one or send you one for free. You will need to use the IMEI number from a LTE phone that is already on the AT&T system. You can use your old phone or borrow the number from someone. If the rep installs the sim in the Z3 with the 6603 IMEI don't worry. Just call support later and tell them you sent your new phone back and want to go back to your old IMEI or have a new IMEI (from an existing AT&T phone). They will enter it and off you go. The phone from the IMEI will show in the picture on your account page. Big deal!
Update: This worked for hours last night but this morning it is back to not receiving calls. Simply turning wifi off and it began to receive calls as GPRS was switched back on. My wifi was on which has been said to cause problems. I will test with wifi off and report back. Had "no service" instead of AT&T on upper left of lock screen. A full shut down for several minutes than re-boot solved that.
YMMV. I've been on ATT with a Z3 purchased from Sony store for several months and it was registered in an ATT store by scanning the IMEI off the box followed by updating Internet settings in Setup. ATT online shows unknown model but everything works including LTE and MMS. There is something else involved when problems like this occur probably some setting not getting reset. I registered the Z3 on a new line with a new Sim card because I wanted to take my time moving stuff off my old phone--this may have avoided the problems.
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YMMV. I've been on ATT with a Z3 purchased from Sony store for several months and it was registered in an ATT store by scanning the IMEI off the box followed by updating Internet settings in Setup. ATT online shows unknown model but everything works including LTE and MMS. There is something else involved when problems like this occur probably some setting not getting reset. I registered the Z3 on a new line with a new Sim card because I wanted to take my time moving stuff off my old phone--this may have avoided the problems.
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I've also had no problems with my Z3 on AT&T. Works great, receives sms/mms immediately, etc..
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I've also had no problems with my Z3 on AT&T. Works great, receives sms/mms immediately, etc..
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AT&T's system sometimes takes a while to get updated with new IMEIs that trigger LTE provisioning for a users' account.
Once your account is provisioned for LTE you never have to worry about it again, but sometimes if you have a phone the system doesn't recognize, it is a pain to get AT&T to properly provision your account. Supposedly properly trained in-store reps can do it - the key being "properly trained" - Never try to do anything "unusual" by calling AT&T customer service, and NEVER use a franchise/kiosk in-person for service - make sure you're at a corporate-owned store! Even then, some stores might have incompetent staff. I've been lucky that all of my local corporate stores are pretty well staffed.
So you are saying that your Z3's with wifi and LTE on with AT&T are working as they should?
With LTE off my phone responds normally with wifi on. With LTE and wifi on it will not respond to calls after a 30 minute sleep. It does not show missed calls. Calls go straight to voice mail after 2 rings. Could you tell me what level your LTE dBm's are? Thanks!
I was told not to give them my imie# but, after recvng the minisim I had to call them in order to 'provision' it to work at all and they needed that #. I have never had any problems personally and am assuming this may be because you gave them the wrong #. Again I am only guessing. Oth, if I had had a different imie to give, I would have done so myself.
It is very strange and I am feeling it is more signal strength related than how you provision your phone. (Once it is provisioned correctly.) It seems that more people have less problems when they already have a nano-sim and just plunk it in the new phone. This might indicate that they already had a strong signal from the get go. My old HTC One + get's a better signal than the Sony in the same locations with the same (new) SIM. With the Devilcase bumper on it gets 5% less. My very limited tests yesterday seemed to indicate that it was signal strength related. I am not enough of a conspiracy theorist to imagine that AT&T would program their system to not function correctly with sims that are provisioned with these Sony phones which they are obviously ignoring for some reason. Or am I?
I had all kinds of problems with the Z3 on AT&T. The IMEI caused an issue since AT&T linked it to a flip phone and therefore couldn't provision LTE. I changed it to an old AT&T LTE device and then I was able to get LTE but was having the same issue with calls going directly to voicemail and texts showing up hours later in bunches. I found the solution was to switch off LTE in the quick settings menu. All calls and texts came through and on time while LTE was off. If I needed a data boost to stream, I turned it back on until I was finished streaming. This was while on KitKat. After upgrading to Lollipop, I was able to keep LTE turned on and calls and texts still arrived on time.
I use data rarely. Mostly wifi. If I don't leave LTE on, my phone reverts to wcdma preferred. And why can't LTE just work without me having to constantly turn it back on? What bugs me is having the APN settings greyed out. I want to be able to turn it off. If anything it seems the phone itself is preventing me from accessing the sim. It feels like I'm borrowing something which contains lots of MY private data. I know my phonebook is stored locally but I also noticed there is no option of specifying the sim or not. Anybody know how to switch APN on and off? In fact, overall even rooted, I still feel like I have almost no power over it. I can't even disable the cellular connection without going full on airplane mode and I do not trust that. I don't even fly so that needs work for sure. Dumb question but could I buy a working nanosim from say 7-eleven that my apn switch will work with?
"Anybody know how to switch APN on and off?"
On my Z3 on OTA stock Lollypop I have an icon in quick settings to turn LTE on and off. Drag two fingers down from the top of the screen. If no LTE icon then select the pencil icon at the top and select the LTE icon. There is also a mobile data icon switch there.
To turn off your radio completly you can get the Advanced Signal Status app and select additional info at the bottom and click phone information and turn off radio. Probably a number of ways to do it but that is one.
Sim contact storage was a way to move information from phone to phone. You can still do it but not really necessary with cloud backup and storage. Google does it for me without me having to do anything which I like. I still save contacts to the sim just because I can. Export and import in your contacts app menu.
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So you are saying that your Z3's with wifi and LTE on with AT&T are working as they should?
With LTE off my phone responds normally with wifi on. With LTE and wifi on it will not respond to calls after a 30 minute sleep. It does not show missed calls. Calls go straight to voice mail after 2 rings. Could you tell me what level your LTE dBm's are? Thanks!
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Works fine here. I don't pay attention to the dBm estimates since these aren't measured with calibrated test equipment and vary widely. Those numbers are basically worthless.
The only valid comparison is data performance in a given environment (ideally a difficult weak-signal one) - and at my desk with very weak signal, every phone I've ever used performs similarly to the Z3.
"Those numbers are basically worthless."
True, but we have narrowed this down to the possibility that it might be signal related so it is worth a shot. If people whose phones are working fine would measure the LTE dBm on Advanced Signal Status at the location where their phone sits and works well the most we might possibly see some measure of difference in the phones that are not working. Most of the non-working phones seem to work sometimes so signal strength is the next best parameter to rule out. Thanks!
Here are the screen shots of my phone with LTE on, LTE and wi-fi and LTE off and wi-fi.
How do the working phones compare? Does your CDMA (voice) also go to 0% when LTE is on and GSM = n/a?
Thanks. I think adv sig nfo actually works. I'm amazed actually. I can't find the phone's native greyed out apn switch anyways which really makes no sense.
I've posted about this throughout the board, but I figured it would be better to make a thread since everyone keeps asking about it.
You'll need to install Google Voice and Hangouts Dialer and set them up. That's it. Just use the Hangouts dialer when making a call and it will do it over WiFi. If you wish to have people call you over WiFi, they'll have to call your Google Voice number.
This is a workaround, so you will be dealing with two numbers. Your carrier assigned number and your GV number. In my GV settings I have chosen to use GV for all calls, now I just have to get the number out to people. The other option is to port your current cell number over to GV, and then you won't have to notify anyone.
The VZW signal at my house is terrible, so this is what I do, and I can tell you it works perfectly. Hope this helps some of you with poor wireless reception.
Cheers.
This works so well, and I love the features that GV offers, call screening, texting from your computer, etc, plus the fact that I plan on buying unlocked phones going forward, that I decided to port my number over to Google Voice. Now it doesn't matter if the phone I buy supports my carriers WiFi calling or vice versa, and I'm only dealing with the one number I've had for years. Couldn't be happier.
Yeah, I just called ATT for help provisioning my daughter in law's replacement iPhone and while I had support on the phone I asked them about Wifi Calling and she said that our phone is not on the BYOD list for wifi calling. She said that very few phones are, it;s pretty much the iPhone 6 and 6s at this time.
Which is weird, because wifi-calling isn't even going through their network. That's the point of wifi calling, that you are using your phone on someone's wifi, so why does AT&T even give a rat's a$$ if you do that? So weird...
So if my network provider has WiFi calling as part of my deal as standard will it work without the work around?
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So if my network provider has WiFi calling as part of my deal as standard will it work without the work around?
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If Wifi calling shows up in the settings menu, you should be all set, and won't need this. However, if you're on Verizon, like me, or AT&T like the poster above, chances are it's not showing up in your settings menu. So, if you want to make calls over Wifi, this is the way to go.
In the UK on EE ,importing it via the outrageous Amazon cyber Monday deal
spotmark said:
If Wifi calling shows up in the settings menu, you should be all set, and won't need this. However, if you're on Verizon, like me, or AT&T like the poster above, chances are it's not showing up in your settings menu. So, if you want to make calls over Wifi, this is the way to go.
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I am on AT&T Mexico, wifi calling shows for me in settings but we dont have wifi calling over here yet.
TheDethEgineer said:
I am on AT&T Mexico, wifi calling shows for me in settings but we don't have wifi calling over here yet.
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That's a fine how-do-you. I guess that's another case for GV.
spotmark said:
If Wifi calling shows up in the settings menu, you should be all set, and won't need this. However, if you're on Verizon, like me, or AT&T like the poster above, chances are it's not showing up in your settings menu. So, if you want to make calls over Wifi, this is the way to go.
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I'm on AT&T and wireless calling is in settings. Haven't tested to see if it works yet though
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I'm on AT&T and wireless calling is in settings. Haven't tested to see if it works yet though
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I'm on Verizon so I can't speak for AT&T, but in my case I don't have the option in settings.
Frankly, I don't care about Wifi calling except for that once or twice a year I am both out of cell coverage, but somehow manage to have wifi and need to make a call. With unlimited minutes and data, the need for wifi calling is pretty slim, but it would be nice for that once in a blue moon where you do.
I don't see why AT&T has to "support" the one feature that doesn't go through their network anyway...
After using Google Voice for free home service for about eight years now, I've also gone all in with it on my cell phone. I ported my cell number over to Google Voice, so I don't have to alert anyone of a number change, and I love all the features it offers. I can make/receive calls from my cell, computer, or home phone ( my Wifi ONLY tablet, too, if I want). All using my cell number. The lone home phone will receive calls to both our home phone number and my cell number. Texting can be done from my cell or computer. It offers call screening, call recording, conference calling, visual voicemail, and do not disturb. Finally, it makes all my calls as VOIP (internet) calls. So as long as I have a data signal, be it from my carrier or WiFi, it makes crystal clear calls. I absolutely love it. I wish I had made the switch years ago.
spotmark said:
This works so well, and I love the features that GV offers, call screening, texting from your computer, etc, plus the fact that I plan on buying unlocked phones going forward, that I decided to port my number over to Google Voice. Now it doesn't matter if the phone I buy supports my carriers WiFi calling or vice versa, and I'm only dealing with the one number I've had for years. Couldn't be happier.
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This is Voice over IP (VOIP), not WIFI-Calling. WIFI calling is when your phone can seamlessly transition between cell network and WIFI, so you can receive network calls over wifi.
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This is Voice over IP (VOIP), not WIFI-Calling. WIFI calling is when your phone can seamlessly transition between cell network and WIFI, so you can receive network calls over wifi.
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Thank you, I'm well aware of that, but as I stated in my OP, this is a workaround for those of us who don't have the WiFi calling option.
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I'm on Verizon so I can't speak for AT&T, but in my case I don't have the option in settings.
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Interestingly, after the most recent update, WiFi calling is an option in my settings menu. I'm on Verizon.
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Interestingly, after the most recent update, WiFi calling is an option in my settings menu. I'm on Verizon.
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Does it work?
I don't know. I'll try when I get home tonight.
I can confirm that Wi-Fi calling works for T-Mobile on Oreo beta 1.
I can confirm that too... it works also for t-mobile on 7.1.1 :good:
Works on EE in the UK ,had to switch it on in call settings but working fine
Found out the guy lied. So the US unlocked N20U does work with VZW wifi calling.
It definitely does work with my N20U on Verizon.
The only differences between the Unlocked and VZW version are:
1. Native Verizon video calling doesn't work on unlocked, but the integrated Duo video calling is better anyways.
2. Verizon's model doesn't have the Samsung "Smart Call" feature for Caller ID. Instead, it uses Verizon's app.
3. Verizon's version has the Verizon bootscreen and a ton of bloatware, especially games, news apps, and what not. Fortunately, most can be uninstalled, and the rest can be disabled using ADB.
Guyinlaca said:
The only differences between the Unlocked and VZW version are:
1. Native Verizon video calling doesn't work on unlocked, but the integrated Duo video calling is better anyways.
2. Verizon's model doesn't have the Samsung "Smart Call" feature for Caller ID. Instead, it uses Verizon's app.
3. Verizon's version has the Verizon bootscreen and a ton of bloatware, especially games, news apps, and what not. Fortunately, most can be uninstalled, and the rest can be disabled using ADB.
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I can confirm all of the above. I have an unlocked phone, on U1 firmware, with a Verizon SIM. Wifi calling works. There is no "Advanced Calling" menu in Connection Settings, but there's a toggle for VoLTE and it was switched on by default. No 4G icon, but rather a LTE+ icon is shown in status bar. The only thing I haven't found a workaround for is the native video calling. I cannot initiate it (phone app does not show the option when I'm on a call with another Verizon phone) and if another Verizon phone attempts to initiate a native video call, it tells them that I cannot accept video calls. I checked my VZW account settings on a PC, and despite the video call option being on and not blocked, native calling doesn't work, as described above. Duo works fine for video. I was able to get Visual Voicemail by installing the app that I go from another thread. I installed it before checking to see if the U1 firmware added it by default, so I can't say for sure that it wasn't there already.
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So I had an interesting observation. I flashed my Verizon Note 10+ to U1 firmware and noticed a drastic reduction in data speeds. After getting the Note 20 Ultra, I noticed the data speeds were nearly doubled. I then disabled a ton of Verizon and Samsung apps, and my data speeds dropped drastically as well. Through the process of elimination, I found that the "My Verizon Services" app seems to have a major impact on data speeds. As long as I keep that enabled on the Verizon firmware, data speeds are blazing fast.
Is it possible that Verizon uses apps to prioritize or de-prioritize data speeds? I'd be curious if one could do a side by side of the Unlocked vs Verizon firmware.
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I can confirm all of the above. I have an unlocked phone, on U1 firmware, with a Verizon SIM. Wifi calling works. There is no "Advanced Calling" menu in Connection Settings, but there's a toggle for VoLTE and it was switched on by default. No 4G icon, but rather a LTE+ icon is shown in status bar. The only thing I haven't found a workaround for is the native video calling. I cannot initiate it (phone app does not show the option when I'm on a call with another Verizon phone) and if another Verizon phone attempts to initiate a native video call, it tells them that I cannot accept video calls. I checked my VZW account settings on a PC, and despite the video call option being on and not blocked, native calling doesn't work, as described above. Duo works fine for video. I was able to get Visual Voicemail by installing the app that I go from another thread. I installed it before checking to see if the U1 firmware added it by default, so I can't say for sure that it wasn't there already.
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Thanks for sharing your observations regarding wifi calling. How can one tell it is working? I am used to older phones advising that wifi calling was in use via text in the phone app. I'm not seeing this notification on my new unlocked T-Mobile-branded N20U with Verizon SIM.
I also noticed the VoLTE toggle in the phone app, switched on and greyed-out, can't be deselected. Of course they don't want to support anything but VoIP anymore. What is the behavior, if the cell signal is decent it won't use wifi? It can't be forced to prefer wifi, can it? I used the trick of putting it in airplane mode, then turn on wifi to try and force it to wifi call. It said it couldn't make the call in airplane mode, which is not encouraging regarding wifi calling being functional on this phone/provider combo.
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Thanks for sharing your observations regarding wifi calling. How can one tell it is working? I am used to older phones advising that wifi calling was in use via text in the phone app. I'm not seeing this notification on my new unlocked T-Mobile-branded N20U with Verizon SIM.
I also noticed the VoLTE toggle in the phone app, switched on and greyed-out, can't be deselected. Of course they don't want to support anything but VoIP anymore. What is the behavior, if the cell signal is decent it won't use wifi? It can't be forced to prefer wifi, can it? I used the trick of putting it in airplane mode, then turn on wifi to try and force it to wifi call. It said it couldn't make the call in airplane mode, which is not encouraging regarding wifi calling being functional on this phone/provider combo.
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From what I've found, if you put another carrier's SIM in a truly unlocked carrier branded phone, it should prompt you to apply your carrier settings upon boot. For example when I put a Spectrum SIM in a Verizon phone, it "converted" the CSC (Carrier settings and boot logo) to Spectrum.
My recommendation is to attempt to get the SIM to switch the CSC automatically. If not, use the patched ODIN to flash the Unlocked U1 firmware, and optionally you can flash Verizon from there if Verizon's Video Calling is a must.
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From what I've found, if you put another carrier's SIM in a truly unlocked carrier branded phone, it should prompt you to apply your carrier settings upon boot. For example when I put a Spectrum SIM in a Verizon phone, it "converted" the CSC (Carrier settings and boot logo) to Spectrum.
My recommendation is to attempt to get the SIM to switch the CSC automatically. If not, use the patched ODIN to flash the Unlocked U1 firmware, and optionally you can flash Verizon from there if Verizon's Video Calling is a must.
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Thanks for the detailed response. I was a little concerned about the T-Mobile branding, and what that truly meant at the software level. I installed the Verizon SIM to this factory-reset phone. If it was going to switch CSC I think it would have happened then. It went through the usual setup steps, but still displays T-Mobile screen at boot. I'm not sure what else I would do to "get the SIM to switch the CSC automatically".
Would you agree with my conclusion that wifi calling isn't working based on the outgoing call failure when in airplane mode with wifi on?
If there is better, more-unlocked firmware I'm not opposed to flashing it. It's been a while since I've played with rooting and custom ROMS, but I'm guessing stock firmware is a lower-risk activity on an expensive phone.
I'll refer to this link to try and flash to unlocked U1 firmware, hopefully that will allow wifi calling compatibility:
OTA and Non-OTA Firmware for N986U and N986U1
Greetings everyone!
Just got my Pixel 6a, love it so far, but i have one problem: Wifi Call doesnt work.
Whenever i try do a wifi call, i just get the message "out of network call"
Im using a german sim card from o2 (telefonica) and the thing is: my prior phone
was a redmi note 10 5g and with this phone (same sim card) wifi calling just worked like a charm.
so my question is: is there any trick to make it work? any explanation why it doesnt work with the 6a?
its a real bummer to go from a cheap a... redmi where this function just works fine to a nice and not so cheap pixel
(love google phones by the way, its my 3rd one), just to realize that something doesnt work as excpected.
i also tried a different os (calyx os), still no wifi-call.
help?
realCyphox said:
Greetings everyone!
Just got my Pixel 6a, love it so far, but i have one problem: Wifi Call doesnt work.
Whenever i try do a wifi call, i just get the message "out of network call"
Im using a german sim card from o2 (telefonica) and the thing is: my prior phone
was a redmi note 10 5g and with this phone (same sim card) wifi calling just worked like a charm.
so my question is: is there any trick to make it work? any explanation why it doesnt work with the 6a?
its a real bummer to go from a cheap a... redmi where this function just works fine to a nice and not so cheap pixel
(love google phones by the way, its my 3rd one), just to realize that something doesnt work as excpected.
i also tried a different os (calyx os), still no wifi-call.
help?
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I'm using the Pixel 6a in Germany with o2 too - I've no issues with VoWifi and VoLTE. Are you shure you've enabled WLAN call in the accordant settings?
I use Google Voice...there an easier way w/o picking up an additional phone #?
On AT&T in the US...which is prolly why...lol
accuphase said:
I'm using the Pixel 6a in Germany with o2 too - I've no issues with VoWifi and VoLTE. Are you shure you've enabled WLAN call in the accordant settings?
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i wrote that i used wifi calling with the redmi just fine, so i guess i know how to set it up, yes. so far i tried two o2 cards, no luck. question is, can you (you) really do phone calls by wifi or are you just using cellular without actually knowing. can you still do phone calls when airplane mode is on but wifi is enabled? do you see the wifi-icon onscreen (below number/name you're calling) when making a call?
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i wrote that i used wifi calling with the redmi just fine, so i guess i know how to set it up, yes. so far i tried two o2 cards, no luck. question is, can you (you) really do phone calls by wifi or are you just using cellular without actually knowing. can you still do phone calls when airplane mode is on but wifi is enabled? do you see the wifi-icon onscreen (below number/name you're calling) when making a call?
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can you really do phone calls by wifi ? Yes
can you still do phone calls when airplane mode is on but wifi is enabled? Yes
do you see the wifi-icon onscreen (below number/name you're calling) when making a call? Yes
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i wrote that i used wifi calling with the redmi just fine, so i guess i know how to set it up, yes. so far i tried two o2 cards, no luck. question is, can you (you) really do phone calls by wifi or are you just using cellular without actually knowing. can you still do phone calls when airplane mode is on but wifi is enabled? do you see the wifi-icon onscreen (below number/name you're calling) when making a call?
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Hi,
I'm having similar issues with my Pixel 6a, also in Germany. I use it with two SIM cards (o2/Telefonica physical SIM card and Vodafone eSIM). I have enabled Wifi Calling in the SIM card settings for both SIM Cards, but _most_ of the time, it doesn't work. The phone tries to use placing calls over cellular (my home office is in my basement, so cellular reception is pretty bad to non-existent, especially with Vodafone)
Most of the times, because sometimes it does work, then it shows up in the status bar and the wifi symbol is shown when placing a call. I couldn't yet figure out any correlation to when or why it works or doesn't, I have tried restarting the phone, putting it to airplane mode, deactivating and re-activating Wifi-calling - or just using one SIM card.
I'd say ~90% of the time it doesn't work.
btw I have used a Pixel 4a with the exact same setup / SIM cards before and didn't experience any issue whatsoever.
Do you have any workaround in the meantime?
Not sure if this helps any, but when entering *#*#4636#*#* on dialpad, going into 'Phone Information'
Is WIFI Calling Provisioned enabled like in my attachment?
Worth looking into:
How to Enable the Preferred WiFi Calling Option on the Verizon Pixel & Pixel XL
A tutorial on how to enable the Wifi Preferred mode in the WiFi Calling settings on the Verizon Google Pixel and Google Pixel XL.
www.xda-developers.com
andybones said:
Not sure if this helps any, but when entering *#*#4636#*#* on dialpad, going into 'Phone Information'
Is WIFI Calling Provisioned enabled like in my attachment?
Worth looking into:
How to Enable the Preferred WiFi Calling Option on the Verizon Pixel & Pixel XL
A tutorial on how to enable the Wifi Preferred mode in the WiFi Calling settings on the Verizon Google Pixel and Google Pixel XL.
www.xda-developers.com
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Thanks for your answer. It is enabled for both sim cards indeed, though (WLAN-Anrufe eingerichtet is the option in German).
koenichlich said:
Thanks for your answer. It is enabled for both sim cards indeed, though (WLAN-Anrufe eingerichtet is the option in German).
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Very welcome.
I'm sorry, I wish I was able to help with this!
I have found the error - it's actually caused by Blokada. I'm not sure whether it's just after some update of Blokada (I have used Blokada v5 for quite some time and regularly update) or the combination of Pixel 6a with Blokada, though. But Wifi calling always does work, when I disable Blokada.
Than I found this thread and have subsequently added com.android.phone and com.android.providers.telephony as bypass nad it does seem to work until now. Somebody else suggested bypass of Carrier provisioning service, I haven't tested yet, since as said it does seem to work now.
Just wanted to share my findings, if somebody else stumbles upon this thread.