There are 5 different versions of this device on HTC's site:
64GB: AT&T, T-Mobile & VZW
Unlocked: 64GB & 128GB
I plan on using it solely on Verizon, but I also plan on unlocking the bootloader and rooting it. Is there any reason I should buy the VZW-specific version instead of the unlocked one? Are they all the same? How dumb is this question?
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There are 5 different versions of this device on HTC's site:
64GB: AT&T, T-Mobile & VZW
Unlocked: 64GB & 128GB
I plan on using it solely on Verizon, but I also plan on unlocking the bootloader and rooting it. Is there any reason I should buy the VZW-specific version instead of the unlocked one? Are they all the same? How dumb is this question?
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It's not a dumb question. I haven't been in the HTC game for some time, but if the different carrier softwares are anything like Samsung with the S9. The Verizon one will have VOLTE, while if you use the unlocked model on Verizon you may not have VOLTE, WiFi calling etc.
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There are no carrier variants with the U12+. The unlocked model will work on all carriers except Sprint and they only sell the unlocked version.
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There are no carrier variants with the U12+. The unlocked model will work on all carriers except Sprint and they only sell the unlocked version.
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That's what I thought too until I saw 3 carrier specific versions on their site in addition to the two unlocked versions
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That's what I thought too until I saw 3 carrier specific versions on their site in addition to the two unlocked versions
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I think they're still unlocked versions even though they are separated. I agree though it's confusing and not best way to do it.
They are all the same phones. They are just trying to save time for those who want to make sure their phone is specific provider-certified ie VoLTE/Wi-fi Calling works - with these variants listed there's no need for explanation.
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They are all the same phones. They are just trying to save time for those who want to make sure their phone is specific provider-certified ie VoLTE/Wi-fi Calling works - with these variants listed there's no need for explanation.
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Can anyone verify that WiFi calling VoLTE works with AT&T
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Can anyone verify that WiFi calling VoLTE works with AT&T
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Unfortunately, it will not. I've chatted with them on their website twice to make sure, and they told me both Wi-Fi calling and VoLTE will not work on AT&T no matter if you choose the one marked AT&T on their website or unlocked. They also told me it's all the same phone. I think they did it that way, so people who usually don't buy phones outside of the carrier store will feel better about it.
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You: If the U12+ isn't being sold by the US carriers, why do you list 3 different models for the 3 carriers? is there any difference between those and the unlocked version?
Nathalie C.: No problem. To answer your question, the phone only comes with the unlocked version. The list of carriers that you see over it's only so people can know which ones are the main carriers the phone supports.
You: Ok thanks. So when you select one of the 4 models, AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, Unlocked... It's all the same phone?
Nathalie C.: Yes. That is correct! If you choose any of those, you'll select either way the unlocked version.
You: What about using carrier specific features like VoLTE and Wi-Fi calling? Will the unlocked be able to do that or just the AT&T version?
Santiago G.: The U12+ sadly does not support wi-fi calling trough AT&T's network, same goes for VoLTE.
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^^ that's a shame. Would have been nice if it did. Thanks for clearing that up ??
So, is this going to be similar to the process with the HTC 10? All variants were the same phone, just different firmware and software per carrier.
I'm also getting the unlocked version as I did with the HTC 10 and wanting to use it on Verizon.
Does anyone know if it is as simple as putting in your SIM and activating the unlocked U12+ and it works, or will we have to RUU to Verizon's software for the U12+ and proceed that was as we did with the HTC 10?
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Can anyone verify that WiFi calling VoLTE works with AT&T
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So, is this going to be similar to the process with the HTC 10? All variants were the same phone, just different firmware and software per carrier.
I'm also getting the unlocked version as I did with the HTC 10 and wanting to use it on Verizon.
Does anyone know if it is as simple as putting in your SIM and activating the unlocked U12+ and it works, or will we have to RUU to Verizon's software for the U12+ and proceed that was as we did with the HTC 10?
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No... From my understanding, it's all the same unlocked phone, so no matter what carrier you have, the phone will work with whatever SIM card you put in it.
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No... From my understanding, it's all the same unlocked phone, so no matter what carrier you have, the phone will work with whatever SIM card you put in it.
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I understand that much, but our HTC 10 phones were all the same as well...hardware wise. But you HAD to flash the carrier software inorder to get the phone activated AND all the features offered by said carrier. That included the advanced calling features. VoLTE ViLTE and WiFi Calling for Verizon.
I guess it's just the waiting game until we start getting the U12+ in the US and everyone starts trying to activate them on Verizon (unlocked variant in particular)
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I understand that much, but our HTC 10 phones were all the same as well...hardware wise. But you HAD to flash the carrier software inorder to get the phone activated AND all the features offered by said carrier. That included the advanced calling features. VoLTE ViLTE and WiFi Calling for Verizon.
I guess it's just the waiting game until we start getting the U12+ in the US and everyone starts trying to activate them on Verizon (unlocked variant in particular)
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I didn't have to flash anything. I got my unlocked HTC 10 direct from HTC and inserted my previous AT&T SIM card from my M9. Everything worked including VoLTE.
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I didn't have to flash anything. I got my unlocked HTC 10 direct from HTC and inserted my previous AT&T SIM card from my M9. Everything worked including VoLTE.
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Exactly only the Sprint Variant for the HTC11 was different. I just switched to T-Mobile and only had to flash the Unlocked firmware and insert new SIM. I have VoLTE and WiFi calling. Im pretty sure the same will be for the U12+. Except it will already be US Unlocked, new SIM and it will be ready to go.
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I understand that much, but our HTC 10 phones were all the same as well...hardware wise. But you HAD to flash the carrier software inorder to get the phone activated AND all the features offered by said carrier. That included the advanced calling features. VoLTE ViLTE and WiFi Calling for Verizon.
I guess it's just the waiting game until we start getting the U12+ in the US and everyone starts trying to activate them on Verizon (unlocked variant in particular)
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the HTC 10 had a Verizon specific ROM, the U11 & U12+ do not. The U12+ only has a Unlocked model with only 1 ROM (x.xx.617.x), wifi calling wont work on Verizon. Like others stated, it doesn't matter which button you click on when ordering, you get the Unlocked model. They only do that so people know their carrier is supported.
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the HTC 10 had a Verizon specific ROM, the U11 & U12+ do not. The U12+ only has a Unlocked model with only 1 ROM (x.xx.617.x), wifi calling wont work on Verizon. Like others stated, it doesn't matter which button you click on when ordering, you get the Unlocked model. They only do that so people know their carrier is supported.
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You get yours, yet, @OMJ?
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You get yours, yet, @OMJ?
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Nope, skipping this one, time to move on. I'm kind of bitter about the state of HTC...
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OMJ said:
Nope, skipping this one, time to move on. I'm kind of bitter about the state of HTC...
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Well, that sucks. What are you moving on to?
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Well, that sucks. What are you moving on to?
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Not sure yet, gonna wait & see what releases in the next few months.... ie, pixel 3
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Not sure yet, gonna wait & see what releases in the next few months.... ie, pixel 3
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So far, I like the 12+. It's a a shame that you will not be around.
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I contacted T-MO support and they say the SM-G930F is 100% compatible, but not sure I trust them. Are there any issues with HSPA support or has the network re-work been completed?
Thanks.
No wifi calling no volte other than that it should work fine
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I contacted T-MO support and they say the SM-G930F is 100% compatible, but not sure I trust them. Are there any issues with HSPA support or has the network re-work been completed?
Thanks.
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the biggest thing to think about is that the g930f and g935f are suppose to be region locked. Meaning you have to make a 5 minute call using a european sim before the phone will sim unlock to allow the use of a US sim. Im waiting for someone who has purchased a g930f or g935f to verify this
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No wifi calling
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you sure???
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/help/ee-wifi-calling-s7-g930f-to-t3332611
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the biggest thing to think about is that the g930f and g935f are suppose to be region locked. Meaning you have to make a 5 minute call using a european sim before the phone will sim unlock to allow the use of a US sim. Im waiting for someone who has purchased a g930f or g935f to verify this
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I have read that as well. I'm asking because there's a sale on eBay, and they're shipping from the US. Haven't contacted the seller re: the region lock, but it would be very odd if they're selling unlocked phones in the US that can't be used. Certainly something to clarify. Without full T-MO support I'm not a buyer anyway, so that was my first concern.
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I have read that as well. I'm asking because there's a sale on eBay, and they're shipping from the US. Haven't contacted the seller re: the region lock, but it would be very odd if they're selling unlocked phones in the US that can't be used. Certainly something to clarify. Without full T-MO support I'm not a buyer anyway, so that was my first concern.
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yep, i just bought the g935f, on ebay as well...i did send a message to the seller asking to clarify if these phones will work in the US due to the supposed region lock.
I agree, it wouldnt make any sense for them to be selling these phones in the US, if they cant be used due to the region lock, everyone would be returning them.
Either way we will know for certain next week, as i think a bunch of us have jumped on the crazy deals, ie G930 for 599, g935f for 699 (no tax)
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you sure???
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/help/ee-wifi-calling-s7-g930f-to-t3332611
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We are talking about tmobile and BYOD and the phone will come region unlocked when you purchase it just ask the seller if your unsure
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We are talking about tmobile and BYOD and the phone will come region unlocked when you purchase it just ask the seller if your unsure
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Hes talking about bringing an international device (g930f) to tmobile (hence the tiltle), in which case a person with a g930f (like in the title ) got wifi calling working...what are you talking about???
As far as region lock is concerned, i would assume like you that it will come region locked...but if youve been keeping up with some of the threads here, im sure your aware of all the assumptions regarding bootloaders...id prefer to have someone in the US actually confirm the region lock on the g930/5.
Every unlocked device I have used on tmobile doesn't have wifi calling or volte even if the phone is capable Google byod tmobile and wifi calling and show me someone with it working and if u purchase from amazon and the phone is locked just send it back
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Every unlocked device I have used on tmobile doesn't have wifi calling or volte even if the phone is capable Google byod tmobile and wifi calling and show me someone with it working and if u purchase from amazon and the phone is locked just send it back
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I'd much rather find out if the G930F will work before ordering it than go through the hassle of sending it back. Just doesn't make sense that a company would sell phones that don't work, but stranger things have happened. Thus my original post. I have no interest in rooting or alternate ROMs. Right now seems like I need to wait for the TMO version.
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I'd much rather find out if the G930F will work before ordering it than go through the hassle of sending it back. Just doesn't make sense that a company would sell phones that don't work, but stranger things have happened. Thus my original post. I have no interest in rooting or alternate ROMs. Right now seems like I need to wait for the TMO version.
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With the 930T you will get T-Mobile VoLTE, WiFi calling, and Band 4 3G in areas that have not been refarmed (is there still any left?), and T-Mobile support (and update, if they ever come out, LOL). I included support in one the pluses despite not ever relying on the provider for device support as I always root and custom ROM all phones.
If you don't care for any of the above, then the 930F would work and you could get it cheaper (even more so if you happen to have eBay Bucks), though if you factor the promotional offers, the 930T may end up cheaper.
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I'd much rather find out if the G930F will work before ordering it than go through the hassle of sending it back. Just doesn't make sense that a company would sell phones that don't work, but stranger things have happened. Thus my original post. I have no interest in rooting or alternate ROMs. Right now seems like I need to wait for the TMO version.
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I have ordered the G930F from eBay as well and that seller has sold a ton of them. I can't imagine that he wouldn't know about the region lock thing. Otherwise that would be so many returns lol
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...as I always root and custom ROM all phones.
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Just 930T cannot be rooted due to the locked bootloader... In this aspect 930F should be better. If it works with TMO.
Has anyone gotten one of these yet and can comment on VoLTE? I'm more concerned with that than Wi-Fi calling.
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Has anyone gotten one of these yet and can comment on VoLTE? I'm more concerned with that than Wi-Fi calling.
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Only phones that have VoLTE are tmobile branded phones
I'm extremely interested in this possibility. Not keen on losing VoLTE & especially WiFi Calling, but if that's what it takes to get a rooted S7, I would happily settle for this.
Hi! I got my Samsung Galaxy s7 930f today, so I was testing. Everything working fine, hsdpa, lte, I do not use VoLTE or Wifi calling, so I can't tell anything about it.
The price was $599 on the ebay. I use it in Clearwater, Fl, so looks like here the hsdpa working 1900mhz not 1700.
I have only one problem, the signal is little bit weaker than my another phone " Sony Xperia Z3 Compact ".
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Hi! I got my Samsung Galaxy s7 930f today, so I was testing. Everything working fine, hsdpa, lte, I do not use VoLTE or Wifi calling, so I can't tell anything about it.
The price was $599 on the ebay. I use it in Clearwater, Fl, so looks like here the hsdpa working 1900mhz not 1700.
I have only one problem, the signal is little bit weaker than my another phone " Sony Xperia Z3 Compact ".
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Are you on T-Mobile? Can you test VoLTE? Is there a setting for it?
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Are you on T-Mobile? Can you test VoLTE? Is there a setting for it?
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I started looking into the framework for the G935F and G935T and from what I see, there are a lot of changes that Samsung made to get VoLTE to work with T-Mobile's servers. They did not go with the AOSP implementations of VoLTE and Wifi Calling that Google introduced in Marshmallow. They're still using the same custom implementation that they used on the Note 4. It's not easy, but I think it's possible to make VoLTE work with a custom ROM. If T-Mobile/Samsung won't unlock the bootloader of the G935T by the end of my return period, I'll probably buy the G935F and take a stab at making VoLTE work.
@Python_69: Was your device SIM and region unlocked when you got it? Did it work with a T-Mobile SIM right out of the box? Also, if you wouldn't mind, could you test if your phone can receive a band 12 LTE signal (for data only of course, since we don't have VoLTE yet)? Thanks!
If it becomes possible to run a rooted Exynos S7 on Tmobile & enact wifi calling & volte, it could basically become a work around for the locked bootloader of the 820 for those looking for TW based ROMs. I'm one, & from what I've read, the exynos sounds better for my needs anyway.
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Yes I'm on t mobile. I checked the setting but I did not see any settings about VoLTE.
Hello freinds
i have a pixel 3 device and i live in Norway, the device is not offically launced here and that means that carriers dont enable 4g calling and wifi calling on my device,
since this is an imporant feature for me, i wonder if there is any software tweak or a roam i can flash to fix this problem,
maybe i can flash a oxygen OS that is from the oneplus devices and then the device to will be compatible as of it was a oneplus 7 pro or something ?
thanks and i hope this question aint too dum
Don't flash radios, images etc from other devices unless you want an expensive paperweight. Get your hands on a vzw sim, activate it online and then use to with your carrier. To my knowledge, vzw is the ****tiest carrier to buy from as all their devices are locked to their Network and you have to activate them there first before hey can be used elsewhere .
Other option is to talk to your carrier and make sure they've pushed the voLTE and other such setttings to your sim card
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No, you can't flash a OnePlus ROM for getting the WiFi calling or something. It's a carrier thing. Even in France, where Pixel 3 launched officially here, those carriers are not all supporting WiFi calling.
Alpert3 said:
No, you can't flash a OnePlus ROM for getting the WiFi calling or something. It's a carrier thing. Even in France, where Pixel 3 launched officially here, those carriers are not all supporting WiFi calling.
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Unfortunately true. Not sure why France is so adamant about only supporting Huawei, Samsung and iPhone for vowifi
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Even if the carrier supports non-whitelisted models for VoLTE, you will have to get the correct mbn loaded with a VoLTE profile inside of it. This could also unlock the usage of 3 carrier aggregation and so on.... (yes, you are only limited to ~300mbit with a Wildcard profile)
Talking about mbn swaps, anyone done this already?
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Unfortunately true. Not sure why France is so adamant about only supporting Huawei, Samsung and iPhone for vowifi
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It actually depends on how much effort the handset manufacturers put into geographical specifics. Huawei, Samsung and Apple add VoLTE support for most EU carriers, while the likes of Google mostly tend to suppor tthe American carriers including some of the bigger european ones such as Deutsche Telekom.
@seif394
You have to root and change the vendor partition. I put a thread out about doing this for China, I am pretty sure it is the same situation you are having.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3/help/china-telecom-t3891520
You need to make sure you have the right mbn file for your carrier.
wangdaning said:
@seif394
You have to root and change the vendor partition. I put a thread out about doing this for China, I am pretty sure it is the same situation you are having.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-3/help/china-telecom-t3891520
You need to make sure you have the right mbn file for your carrier.
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thanks a lot for the help, but i found out i havea verizon model that is bootloader locked...
seif394 said:
thanks a lot for the help, but i found out i havea verizon model that is bootloader locked...
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That is unfortunate. Only real thing you can do is sell it and get a new device. Either the same device or a different one, but make sure it is unlockable just in case.
wangdaning said:
That is unfortunate. Only real thing you can do is sell it and get a new device. Either the same device or a different one, but make sure it is unlockable just in case.
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im in the market for a oneplus now, chinese one have good prices, but ill see what i can get
In a dilemma and hoping to get the answer from like minded and knowledgeable folks.
So I am trading in my S10+ for the Note 10+. Samsung is offering $600 off when trading the S10+ for an unlocked Note 10+ or $450 for a T-Mobile locked Note 10+. This is on top off the $200 they are giving for accessories. Obviously the $600 discount is pretty attractive.
Since I've never purchased an unlocked phone and used it on T-Mobile, what I would like to know from you guys is if there is a difference between Samsung unlocked vs. T-Mobile locked phones. I'm asking because I know Samsung has unified the hardware and software on all of the flagship devices for a couple of years now on all carriers. so truly what will I be really missing if I bought an unlocked Note 10 and use a T-Mobile SIM card on it?
Appreciate the help everyone.
I have the unlocked note9 on T-Mobile. I haven't noticed anything missing. The only downside is that the unlocked variants get software updates last.
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In a dilemma and hoping to get the answer from like minded and knowledgeable folks.
So I am trading in my S10+ for the Note 10+. Samsung is offering $600 off when trading the S10+ for an unlocked Note 10+ or $450 for a T-Mobile locked Note 10+. This is on top off the $200 they are giving for accessories. Obviously the $600 discount is pretty attractive.
Since I've never purchased an unlocked phone and used it on T-Mobile, what I would like to know from you guys is if there is a difference between Samsung unlocked vs. T-Mobile locked phones. I'm asking because I know Samsung has unified the hardware and software on all of the flagship devices for a couple of years now on all carriers. so truly what will I be really missing if I bought an unlocked Note 10 and use a T-Mobile SIM card on it?
Appreciate the help everyone.
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The only difference is the update speeds, unlocked is usually last. I have an unlocked Samsung on T-mobile with no problems at all. All the T-mobile apps are on the play store so you can just download the ones you want. Don't sweat it, get that bigger discount.
TMO:
- Carrier apps
- Video Calling
- RCS
UNL:
- Hiya
- All Bands from U version + VoLTE + Vowifi on TMO
- Facebook suite
- Regular boot screen
- Last for updates (usually)
- No SIM lock
I used a U1 N8 and S10+ on T-Mobile in the past. Nothing of note is lost when unlocked models are used on T-Mobile. On others carrier you may lose VoLTE or Vowifi.
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I must've been drinking the night I posted this.
So when you order the unlocked version from the us do you still get the snapdragon version or exynos?
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The only difference is the update speeds, unlocked is usually last. I have an unlocked Samsung on T-mobile with no problems at all. All the T-mobile apps are on the play store so you can just download the ones you want. Don't sweat it, get that bigger discount.
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So you get RCS and video calling?Different people say different things when it comes to unlocked phones on Tmobile as to what they get to work vs Tmobile variant
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So when you order the unlocked version from the us do you still get the snapdragon version or exynos?
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The us sold unlocked versions are snap dragons and you can flash any firmware you please from a carrier if you're so inclined.
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The us sold unlocked versions are snap dragons and you can flash any firmware you please from a carrier if you're so inclined.
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Thanks Jack I guess I'll have to wait want to order the note 10+ but I need the exynos version ?
So what is the definitive answer as to what works and doesn't work with the unlocked version?
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So what is the definitive answer as to what works and doesn't work with the unlocked version?
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Pretty much nothing to worry about nowadays. In the past you'd have to make sure you got the correct Bands for whichever carrier you were using but now theyre all the same. Just know that with an Unlocked version youll get slower updates but there are ways around that as well.
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The only difference is the update speeds, unlocked is usually last. I have an unlocked Samsung on T-mobile with no problems at all. All the T-mobile apps are on the play store so you can just download the ones you want. Don't sweat it, get that bigger discount.
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Pretty much nothing to worry about nowadays. In the past you'd have to make sure you got the correct Bands for whichever carrier you were using but now theyre all the same. Just know that with an Unlocked version youll get slower updates but there are ways around that as well.
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So your saying that wifi calling/RCS/Video Calling/visual voice mail works with unlocked version?
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I have the unlocked note9 on T-Mobile. I haven't noticed anything missing. The only downside is that the unlocked variants get software updates last.
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So your wifi calling video calling RCS and visual voice mail is working?
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So your saying that wifi calling/RCS/Video Calling/visual voice mail works with unlocked version?
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Wifi calling works fine, video calling works fine, i use Google duo and messenger, visual voicemail works. Rcs is the only thing that I am unsure of.
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So your saying that wifi calling/RCS/Video Calling/visual voice mail works with unlocked version?
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So your wifi calling video calling RCS and visual voice mail is working?
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Google is taking over RCS shortly so you should be set!
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In a dilemma and hoping to get the answer from like minded and knowledgeable folks.
So I am trading in my S10+ for the Note 10+. Samsung is offering $600 off when trading the S10+ for an unlocked Note 10+ or $450 for a T-Mobile locked Note 10+. This is on top off the $200 they are giving for accessories. Obviously the $600 discount is pretty attractive.
Since I've never purchased an unlocked phone and used it on T-Mobile, what I would like to know from you guys is if there is a difference between Samsung unlocked vs. T-Mobile locked phones. I'm asking because I know Samsung has unified the hardware and software on all of the flagship devices for a couple of years now on all carriers. so truly what will I be really missing if I bought an unlocked Note 10 and use a T-Mobile SIM card on it?
Appreciate the help everyone.
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Initially I wanted to order T-Mobile variant of Note10(thought I won't have to flash the firmware), but I saw that the trade in offer is lower than for unlocked model. So I pre-ordered an Unlocked Note10 because of $600 for my S10e. I guess flashing firmware is unavoidable, same as was with S10e and others before it.
Regular person won't see any issues using unlocked model on T-Mobile. If you need T-Mobile's feature, then flashing T-Mobile firmware will give you: Video Calling, Advanced Messaging, will show 4G LTE(instead of just LTE/LTE+), T-Mobile boot logo and some T-Mo apps. You can always go back to XAA firmware
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I have the unlocked note9 on T-Mobile. I haven't noticed anything missing. The only downside is that the unlocked variants get software updates last.
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Charkatak said:
Initially I wanted to order T-Mobile variant of Note10(thought I won't have to flash the firmware), but I saw that the trade in offer is lower than for unlocked model. So I pre-ordered an Unlocked Note10 because of $600 for my S10e. I guess flashing firmware is unavoidable, same as was with S10e and others before it.
Regular person won't see any issues using unlocked model on T-Mobile. If you need T-Mobile's feature, then flashing T-Mobile firmware will give you: Video Calling, Advanced Messaging, will show 4G LTE(instead of just LTE/LTE+), T-Mobile boot logo and some T-Mo apps. You can always go back to XAA firmware
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something i was thinking the $600 for the unlocked version.. Im still uncertain though because different people say different things as to what they can get to work with Tmobile with the unlocked version, but I think i will get the unlocked one hopefully Google get their stuff together with RCS and just take control...
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something i was thinking the $600 for the unlocked version.. Im still uncertain though because different people say different things as to what they can get to work with Tmobile with the unlocked version, but I think i will get the unlocked one hopefully Google get stuff together with RCS and just take control...
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I listed what functions on unlocked variants. Nothing changed with the N10 in terms of TMobile compatibility. Like the S10s and most unlocked phones, carrier features aren't present.
Firmware conversion can bring them back as others mentioned.
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I listed what functions on unlocked variants. Nothing changed with the N10 in terms of TMobile compatibility. Like the S10s and most unlocked phones, carrier features aren't present.
Firmware conversion can bring them back as others mentioned.
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must of missed it i will go back and check thread
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must of missed it i will go back and check thread
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I tried the phone, TMobile is fine on the unlocked model.
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something i was thinking the $600 for the unlocked version.. Im still uncertain though because different people say different things as to what they can get to work with Tmobile with the unlocked version, but I think i will get the unlocked one hopefully Google get their stuff together with RCS and just take control...
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What I have wrote in my previous message is 100% correct and I have noticed that some other people wrote similar stuff. Basically even if you won't flash your unlocked Note 10 phone, you won't have any issues or any incompatibility using the phone on T-Mobile. I am with T-Mobile since 2003 and have seen more than enough phones to know for sure. If not buying T-Mobile branded phone would pose any issues or problems, believe me I would certainly get T-Mobile version
I most likely will flash Note 10 if I would have the urge to have some of aforementioned T-Mo features(I do usually flash though)
I have an S20U now that is unlocked. What I love is that I get the updates faster it seems (although, the S20 has had way more updates than normal). I am thinking of getting the branded Tmobile one, I have never had any issues using their software and it seems to work better on the network. I do not honestly care about "bloatware" as I will at least be getting a 256GB model.
Anyone have any experiences either way?
I don't have any experience with TMO specifically, but what I do know is that typically the carrier branded devices get their updates WAY fast and more often than the Unlocked ones. I'm in the same boat, I don't really care much one way or another about the bloat. If I don't like it I uninstall it if I can or at the very least disable it
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I don't have any experience with TMO specifically, but what I do know is that typically the carrier branded devices get their updates WAY fast and more often than the Unlocked ones. I'm in the same boat, I don't really care much one way or another about the bloat. If I don't like it I uninstall it if I can or at the very least disable it
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It is my understanding that the unlocked one can be used in any country and any network. Just switch sim card and you are done. The TMobile one, may be locked until you pay off the device. You also don't get the bloatware with unlocked (one less thing to Uninstall if you don't care for it).
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It is my understanding that the unlocked one can be used in any country and any network. Just switch sim card and you are done. The TMobile one, may be locked until you pay off the device. You also don't get the bloatware with unlocked (one less thing to Uninstall if you don't care for it).
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There are 2 "Kinds" of Unlocked, you're referring to SIM unlocked, the other is the U1 devices sold by Samsung. Which I suspect what the OP is referring to
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That used to be true, but not for the last couple of years. The unlocked US Note10+ (N975U1), for example, has gone through 18 software releases in the 12 months it's been out. Many of its updates came out within the first few days of the month, and included that month's Android security patch.
T-Mobile has been lagging for the past few months in its updates for both the N975U and the N975U1, but you can manually download and flash the latest unlocked software immediately.
Also, it is my understanding that Tmobile tweaks it's cellular radio's to perform slightly better than the unlocked version of any phone used on it's network.
From my experience, AT&T, the branded phones have the extras like wifi calling and VoLTE enabled and the unlocked ones don't. Some of the video call features are missing. I wouldn't have a problem with the bloatware but AT&T seems to force it back on and there is no way to remove it without root (which i don't do anymore). This has been my experience from Note 5 , 2 of the 7's ,note 8 and the note 9 I currently use, all have been unlocked.
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Unlock has free caller ID builtin, Tmobile you have to pay for it. Unlock has no Tmobile branding or bloatware. Unlock version is easier to bypass tmobile hotspot apn, and usage limits
T-Mobile version has video calling on the phone app, unlock use to, but not anymore. There might be a few more things but I can't remember right now.
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I'm on sprint/tmo but I got the unlocked for the first time because I paid outright for the phone this time
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Also, it is my understanding that Tmobile tweaks [its] cellular [radios] to perform slightly better than the unlocked version of any phone used on [its] network.
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Are you referring to the APN settings, or to something else?
https://www.t-mobile.com/support/devices/not-sold-by-t-mobile/byod-t-mobile-data-and-apn-settings
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Also, it is my understanding that Tmobile tweaks it's cellular radio's to perform slightly better than the unlocked version of any phone used on it's network.
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This simply isn't true with the Samsung phones. I have had both and there definitely is no difference in connectivity in either data or calls between unlocked and carrier version.
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agree - that was a bunch of talk on this forum last year when the note 10+ was shipping . lots of cats on here were trying to say this and it was just not true. i had 3 unlocked phones on tmo and service was consistent.
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Are you referring to the APN settings, or to something else?
https://www.t-mobile.com/support/devices/not-sold-by-t-mobile/byod-t-mobile-data-and-apn-settings
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I think he's referring to carrier aggregation. I don't know if it's a thing licked phones have that unlocked don't. I always go unlocked (so the phone feels like it's mine, lol) and can't say I've noticed a difference.
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I have an S20U now that is unlocked. What I love is that I get the updates faster it seems (although, the S20 has had way more updates than normal). I am thinking of getting the branded Tmobile one, I have never had any issues using their software and it seems to work better on the network. I do not honestly care about "bloatware" as I will at least be getting a 256GB model.
Anyone have any experiences either way?
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Thank you for your post. Does the Wifi Calling on Tmobile work on the Unlocked phone? I am looking at buying the unlocked 512gb model but have to have wifi calling when I am traveling internationally.
Does anyone know if the stock firmware can be flashed on any device if it's factory unlocked? I think the answer is yes, but just want to make sure before I purchase one used. I know your can flash the carrier firmware so I assume you can do the reverse.
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Thank you for your post. Does the Wifi Calling on Tmobile work on the Unlocked phone? I am looking at buying the unlocked 512gb model but have to have wifi calling when I am traveling internationally.
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Yes. and if you follow a few of the guides here you can "unlock" video calling and RCS in Samsung messages as well. And if you are really creative, there is another guide to expanding bands and tweaking receiving antennas
And the last question, if you buy the U1 unlocked, you can flash carrier firmware or unlocked firmware either way all you want, but keep in mind going from u to u1 firmware requires a wipe.
The old "unlocked" was slower to get updates is only true if you wait for Tmobile to release it. If you use Frija and Odin, you can pretty much get it the same day Samsung releases it. I'm too impatient to wait for Tmobile to "get around to" reviewing it and re-releasing what Samsung released weeks before.
Most of the "negatives" of having unlocked are long gone at this point and it tilts more into the positives.
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Yes. and if you follow a few of the guides here you can "unlock" video calling and RCS in Samsung messages as well. And if you are really creative, there is another guide to expanding bands and tweaking receiving antennas
And the last question, if you buy the U1 unlocked, you can flash carrier firmware or unlocked firmware either way all you want, but keep in mind going from u to u1 firmware requires a wipe.
The old "unlocked" was slower to get updates is only true if you wait for Tmobile to release it. If you use Frija and Odin, you can pretty much get it the same day Samsung releases it. I'm too impatient to wait for Tmobile to "get around to" reviewing it and re-releasing what Samsung released weeks before.
Most of the "negatives" of having unlocked are long gone at this point and it tilts more into the positives.
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U and U1 have the same radios in them, they are made specifically for the USA market. Depending on what carrier sim card you insert those bands for said USA carrier will be made available for the user. No need to expand bands. The technical specifications of the U1 and U models are listed on samsung USA website for cross referencing.
Anyone successfully using call recording feature on either version? Still looking for my U.S t-mobile variant..
T-Mo non-unlocked Samsung phones (maybe just the Note 20 Ultra though since I haven't been with Samsung since the Note 3 lol) have a bunch of issues. They're about one month behind on updates when compared to all of the other companies. Additionally, I saw someone mention that they have better mobile data quality. That is also true... I found that out once I manually switched to the Android 11 beta as my 5G speeds went from a constant 130mb/s down to 0.5 - 2mb/s without the firmware being specifically from T-Mo. In my settings, all of the mobile connection stuff is exactly the same as it was before...
Also, I don't have voicemail support. Yet another T-Mo problem (but you can easily add Samsung as a possible cause of that problem too)... Had to switch back to the Google Phone app just so that I could get old-school style voicemail (where you have to call your own phone number to get in).
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Anyone successfully using call recording feature on either version? Still looking for my U.S t-mobile variant..
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This hasn't worked for me either. It's starting to seem like Samsung pushed some of their development onto the phone carriers now lol.
Hey Samsung, why not just leave Android alone when you get it from Google so you don't have to cause so many problems with your own, customized (ad filled, feature removing) version moving forward? Heck, I've already had some problems with a bunch of your apps and have gotten zero help or answers from you guys. That's the reason I've switched back to a bunch of Google apps, however, half of those didn't even work on this phone!!! But I messaged Google about these problems as well, and you know what? They fixed ALL OF THEM within two weeks.
I'll definitely be buying from a different manufacturer moving forward. Even more so since there's rumours spreading around online right now that the Note 20 was the last Note phone to be released since the upcoming S21 is going to have stylus support...
The difference between unlocked and t-mobile is that unlocked gets its updates directly from Samsung and is not branded.
While t-mobile version is branded and you receive the updates from t-mobile and not from Samsung. So delay or longer waiting time on updates would happen and maybe even won't get few of the updates.
Since t-mobile has to release them, which take longer time.
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I pre-ordered the unlocked 8t before I knew T-Mobile was releasing their own version. I'd like to know if there are any 5G performance features that the T-Mobile version has that the unlocked version doesn't. I searched around and one place said the only difference is software-related. Would I be better off returning the unlocked 8t and buying the T-Mobile version?
Just depends on what your needs are. The unlocked version will get 5G service just fine. T-mobile version claims to optimize the network, however I'm not 100%sure about that. If you're wanting easy bootloader unlock and flash custom roms the unlocked might be the better way to go, otherwise the t-mobile version is fine as this is the variant I have.
I'm sure my rambling didn't help you much.
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Only difference between the TMobile variant and unlocked is the IP68 certification.
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Only difference between the TMobile variant and unlocked is the IP68 certification.
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And single sim tray, locked bootloader as well as no AOD
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And single sim tray, locked bootloader as well as no AOD
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Tmobile version bootloader can be unlocked after sim unlock (which can be achieved by contacting Tmobile support on Twitter, did it for 7Pro and 6T)
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Tmobile version bootloader can be unlocked after sim unlock (which can be achieved by contacting Tmobile support on Twitter, did it for 7Pro and 6T)
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That's not what I said. Yes I know that it can be unlocked. The unlocked version comes unlockable
And not everyone has an easy time at obtaining an unlock code from T-mobile either. ..
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Those three things apply to the T-Moblie variant? And which one has the ip68 rating?
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Yes those 3 things applies to the T-mobile variant. Official IP68 is the T-mobile one as well
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@bbowman I have T-Mobile too and I've Supported OPO, OP3, OP3T, OP5, OP6T Global and now OP8T Global. I've always bought the Global Ed and have had no issues using them on the T-Mobile network. The only differences I saw between the T-Mobile version of the 6T and the Global was the T-Mobile ver got Network "Improvement" updates to "better" tune the software to work with T-Mobile Towers and it only had 1 SIM slot. With the 6T once it was unlocked it could be flashed with a Global Firmware.
Should be fine
Currently on the unlocked OnePlus 8 Pro on T-Mobile. I get all the 5G, including the standalone (after getting an R15 SIM card from the nearest T-Mobile store). You shouldn't have any issues with the unlocked 8T (mine will get delivered today) in terms of 5G, and you get the flexibility of dual-SIM. Win-win.
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I pre-ordered the unlocked 8t before I knew T-Mobile was releasing their own version. I'd like to know if there are any 5G performance features that the T-Mobile version has that the unlocked version doesn't. I searched around and one place said the only difference is software-related. Would I be better off returning the unlocked 8t and buying the T-Mobile version?
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Currently on the unlocked OnePlus 8 Pro on T-Mobile. I get all the 5G, including the standalone (after getting an R15 SIM card from the nearest T-Mobile store). You shouldn't have any issues with the unlocked 8T (mine will get delivered today) in terms of 5G, and you get the flexibility of dual-SIM. Win-win.
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Mine arrived yesterday and I was surprised to see that I had 5G coverage (central Orange County, CA)! My SIM card is many years old, will I somehow get better 5G service if I swap in a newer card?
Yeah, I was getting 5G just fine. The newer SIM lets you access the standalone 5g network (when available), which I believe should give you even better downloads/uploads and lower latency. It doesn't share the frequency band with 4G, is the thing. As I understand it, anyway.
In my practical experience, I popped in the new SIM and got 400MBps standing outside the T-Mobile store. I hadn't seen that previously.
I'm sure it's fine without, but if you're near a store, it can only improve what sounds like is already a good experience for you.
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Mine arrived yesterday and I was surprised to see that I had 5G coverage (central Orange County, CA)! My SIM card is many years old, will I somehow get better 5G service if I swap in a newer card?
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Yeah, I was getting 5G just fine. The newer SIM lets you access the standalone 5g network (when available), which I believe should give you even better downloads/uploads and lower latency. It doesn't share the frequency band with 4G, is the thing. As I understand it, anyway.
In my practical experience, I popped in the new SIM and got 400MBps standing outside the T-Mobile store. I hadn't seen that previously.
I'm sure it's fine without, but if you're near a store, it can only improve what sounds like is already a good experience for you.
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Thanks I didn't know that about the new sim version. I got international on t mobile. My 7t is international and I been with tmo for 14 years. I noticed with 7t and now 8t, visual voicemail NEVER works unless I have the tmo version. My 6t was tmo version, won't make that mistake again, but nonetheless, I was curious, does yours work? And my rcs is on and off bi weekly, always connecting, or trying.
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Tmobile version bootloader can be unlocked after sim unlock (which can be achieved by contacting Tmobile support on Twitter, did it for 7Pro and 6T)
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Do you have to meet the Tmo unlock requirements or can twitter support bypass the restrictions?
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Do you have to meet the Tmo unlock requirements or can twitter support bypass the restrictions?
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It been said most people are able to get it bypassed via Tforce (twitter T-Mobile support) as long as ypur nice to them. Thats what im gonna do when i get mine tommorow and have the imei. It looks like the only requirement in order to request the bootloader unlock code is having it sim unlocked (with up to 2 day waiting for the unlock file for bootloader).
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Thanks I didn't know that about the new sim version. I got international on t mobile. My 7t is international and I been with tmo for 14 years. I noticed with 7t and now 8t, visual voicemail NEVER works unless I have the tmo version. My 6t was tmo version, won't make that mistake again, but nonetheless, I was curious, does yours work? And my rcs is on and off bi weekly, always connecting, or trying.
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I did the same thing with the TMo 6T. In-app visual voicemail was the only advantage. I just use the T-Mobile visual voicemail app since then, and it's mostly fine. As for RCS, mine has been connected solid side I set the phone up. Maybe try clearing cache/storage on Messages/Google Play Services?
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I did the same thing with the TMo 6T. In-app visual voicemail was the only advantage. I just use the T-Mobile visual voicemail app since then, and it's mostly fine. As for RCS, mine has been connected solid side I set the phone up. Maybe try clearing cache/storage on Messages/Google Play Services?
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Yes I have just accepted no visual voicemail, oneplus customer service sucks and can't understand what I'm telling them. Confused at whether I'm saying I have a tmo variant or not. I have not had one, for 6t or 7t.
Rcs I have got working. Had to opt out on the online form, then turn it off for a while and disable carrier services.