Has anybdy tried this yet?
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/...index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=accessories
Just wondering how it worked. Too bad it's not HDMI.
I tried it, worked for me. You have to enable it first in the TV-Out settings, and the yellow wasn't really the video one on my cable.
yea, there was a video somewhere showing it working. Just buy a $3 3.5" to RCA cable from ebay or radioshack
Seached on Google and Amazon has one for $1.29
http://www.amazon.com/DCR-TRV50E-DCR-TRV900-DCR-TRV950-DCR-VX1000-DCR-VX2000E/dp/B003V8UB4I
Going to give it a try.
Worked fine for me, no problems at all! Quality was only OK but I'll try it again with a different video and see if that helps.
Is there a way to go from micro USB to HDMI or the jack to HDMI?
For the usb, no it has to have the wardware. For the jack, whats the point? The jack can only output standard definition video and going through hdmi would be pointless. You can use WiFi with DLNA to windows media center to play your HD.
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For the usb, no it has to have the wardware. For the jack, whats the point? The jack can only output standard definition video and going through hdmi would be pointless. You can use WiFi with DLNA to windows media center to play your HD.
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except that I can't get DNLA to work Maybe I'll try another app that does the same as allshare
the video out works well, I'm glad that it doesn't use HDMI as I use it in my truck to my DVD/NAV system. It does seem that whenever I've connected the included ear buds to the phone I've had to go into settings and re-enable video out. No it's not high definition, but the quality is more than adequate for my purposes.
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the video out works well, I'm glad that it doesn't use HDMI as I use it in my truck to my DVD/NAV system. It does seem that whenever I've connected the included ear buds to the phone I've had to go into settings and re-enable video out. No it's not high definition, but the quality is more than adequate for my purposes.
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I plan on doing this exact same thing this weekend. I have the Alpine IVA-W205, and I think it would be cooler to have audio and video instead of just audio. Plus, I can actually see the navigation directions since I don't have Nav installed.
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I plan on doing this exact same thing this weekend. I have the Alpine IVA-W205, and I think it would be cooler to have audio and video instead of just audio. Plus, I can actually see the navigation directions since I don't have Nav installed.
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Mine is a kenwood DDX-8019, and I have the external NAV
A couple things to keep in mind if you are going to use the phone as a NAV device in your car ...
1. Get long enough cables that you can set your phone where it has the clearest view of the sky possible. I set mine in the tray molded into my dash. Which leads to ...
2. If you use the included micro USB cable with a power adapter you should be fine, but the door that hides the connection on the phone may be too small for many aftermarket cables. I have one that is fine at home, but doesn't provide a secure enough connection for me to trust it on the road.
3. Maps in my area are not 100% accurate, the parking lot where I work used to be part of a highway that has been re-routed, however the map does not reflect this. I have also found that on the 2 times I've tested it on my route to and from work that it will not give a route that includes HOV lanes. (there may be a setting for this)
4. Download the app and enable the turn by turn voice ... but do not rely on it, until you've had some time to get comfortable with it. I've found during my testing that voice prompting comes a bit later than I like at highway speeds, though in and around town it was fine. I don't know if your DVD reciever will allow you to, but I can display the video from the phone and listen to audio from any other source I have available.
5. The only way I have been able to take a call while using the video out function on the phone was to disconnect the 3.5mm jack, it seems that the audio from a phone call is muted, as is the microphone. I guess if it did work there would be no reason for anyone with an aux video connection to buy a bluetooth reciever.
I do not intend to use this as my primary NAV in my own vehicle because my GARMIN reciever is purpose built for it and is far more precise/has more options. BUT ... I will not be renting anymore NAV units from enterprise when I have to travel.
One of the disappointing trends for me with new phones is the lack of a 3.5mm headphone jacks. However, given the popularity of wireless headphones and the large market share of Apple devices I expect the trend to continue and headphone jacks to be found on fewer and fewer phones in the future.
I imagine that I'm in the minority of users who use neither streaming services or Bluetooth headphones. My music is usually high bit rate FLAC, ACC or MP3 depending on when I ripped it. My initial listening on the included 3.5mm DAC was not promising. A lack of dynamic range and low volume even on efficient in ear monitors (IEMs) made me think about finding a replacement.
The problem is there aren't at lot of options for small passive DACs. And my bet is that most of the current phones with no 3.5mm jack use the same chipset that Essential uses - the Conexant CX20985 for their headphone adapters. (For more info - see the AnandTech article - Conexant Introduces USB-C Digital Audio Compliant Chips.)
So that lead me to see if perhaps there was something that could be done in software. Based on my limited research it would appear that Android above version 5.0 has a built in USB to DAC driver. It also appears that this is what Essential uses to access the USB adapter. However, this driver is quite limited. Consistent with what I heard, the driver resamples everything to 16-bit 48kHz and limits the dynamic range. (For more info see extreamsd.com and their USB audio driver page.)
Good news! There are several music player applications on GooglePlay that are capable of natively recognizing the Essential DAC over USB. The difference in sound quality, volume and dynamic range is like night and day. The most polished one I've used is the paid application Onkyo HF Player. However, the free application HibyMusic also works, but has few rough edges. The Onkyo application sounds good enough for me to make finding a better DAC no longer necessary.
One WARNING on both programs and the Essential DAC - when the DAC is recognized by the programs they frequently turn the initial volume level to 100%. If you do this while you've started music playing and have the headphones on you will be in for a very rude surprise. Trust me I learned this the hard way - plug everything in with no music playing and be sure to lower the volume first.
Update from comments - Apps that support the Essential DAC directly:
1. Onkyo HF Player
2. HibyMusic
3. USB Audio Player Pro
4. Neutron Music Player
USB Audio Player Pro has a custom driver that supports bit-perfect on android. I use it with external DACs such as the Meridian Explorer 2 (MQA works perfectly) and the AudioQuest Dragonfly Red - hardware volume control works.
TimboC2000 said:
One of the disappointing trends for me with new phones is the lack of a 3.5mm headphone jacks. However, given the popularity of wireless headphones and the large market share of Apple devices I expect the trend to continue and headphone jacks to be found on fewer and fewer phones in the future.
I imagine that I'm in the minority of users who use neither streaming services or Bluetooth headphones. My music is usually high bit rate FLAC, ACC or MP3 depending on when I ripped it. My initial listening on the included 3.5mm DAC was not promising. A lack of dynamic range and low volume even on efficient in ear monitors (IEMs) made me think about finding a replacement.
The problem is there aren't at lot of options for small passive DACs. And my bet is that most of the current phones with no 3.5mm jack use the same chipset that Essential uses - the Conexant CX20985 for their headphone adapters. (For more info - see the AnandTech article - Conexant Introduces USB-C Digital Audio Compliant Chips.)
So that lead me to see if perhaps there was something that could be done in software. Based on my limited research it would appear that Android above version 5.0 has a built in USB to DAC driver. It also appears that this is what Essential uses to access the USB adapter. However, this driver is quite limited. Consistent with what I heard, the driver resamples everything to 16-bit 48kHz and limits the dynamic range. (For more info see extreamsd.com and their USB audio driver page.)
Good news! There are several music player applications on GooglePlay that are capable of natively recognizing the Essential DAC over USB. The difference in sound quality, volume and dynamic range is like night and day. The most polished one I've used is the paid application Onkyo HF Player. However, the free application HibyMusic also works, but has few rough edges. The Onkyo application sounds good enough for me to make finding a better DAC no longer necessary.
One WARNING on both programs and the Essential DAC - when the DAC is recognized by the programs they frequently turn the initial volume level to 100%. If you do this while you've started music playing and have the headphones on you will be in for a very rude surprise. Trust me I learned this the hard way - plug everything in with no music playing and be sure to lower the volume first.
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Thanks for this, I was searching just today for something that would be compatible with the USB-C output and I didn't want to waste money on anything that won't work on the Essential. And I have an Onkyo receiver for my living room to boot. I wonder how the Iron Maiden flavored version of the app works? I am a Maiden fan as well. Maybe I'll try that version and report back on this thread.
A quick update. For $9.00 I figured I’d give the Google Pixel DAC a try. It only samples at 48kHz. It also provides no identifying information as to manufacturer. So it works, but the Essential DAC is superior.
For a small compact passive DAC the new Razer Phone DAC at $20 would be the one to try. It is 24bit and THX certified, but as yet untested on the Essential Phone. So it may only work on the Razer.
How do you know if the app has native support?
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The Onkyo program will identify the DAC and tell you the sampling modes. Both programs bring up a dialog box noting a USB device when it is plugged in.
But you have to rely on the program author and description to see if they support DACs natively.
Personally I have been using Neutron Music Player on the Play Store, and it has been working great.
I picked it up years ago on sale and downloaded it on my PH-1 to see if it added a setting to support USB DACs, and it turns out it did
However, it did not use the external DAC by default, you have to enable it in the settings. The setting was specifically under Audio Hardware, as 'Direct USB Driver' to allow direct access to the USB device. I am on Nougat and after closing and reopening the app, the background hiss/static I could hear while using the default output is now gone and my Essential USB-C DAC has been working great.
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Personally I have been using Neutron Music Player on the Play Store, and it has been working great.
I picked it up years ago on sale and downloaded it on my PH-1 to see if it added a setting to support USB DACs, and it turns out it did
However, it did not use the external DAC by default, you have to enable it in the settings. The setting was specifically under Audio Hardware, as 'Direct USB Driver' to allow direct access to the USB device. I am on Nougat and after closing and reopening the app, the background hiss/static I could hear while using the default output is now gone and my Essential USB-C DAC has been working great.
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And this has a trial version, perfect. I will give it a try. After I get some files on my PH-1. Had to order a cable to connect to my PC since Essential doesn't include one! I am guessing that none of these apps work with Tidal,Spotify,Pandora etc?
chiadrum said:
And this has a trial version, perfect. I will give it a try. After I get some files on my PH-1. Had to order a cable to connect to my PC since Essential doesn't include one! I am guessing that none of these apps work with Tidal,Spotify,Pandora etc?
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Yes a "regular" USB to USB C. Monotone had it on sale this week.
Out you can use software like synching.
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And this has a trial version, perfect. I will give it a try. After I get some files on my PH-1. Had to order a cable to connect to my PC since Essential doesn't include one! I am guessing that none of these apps work with Tidal,Spotify,Pandora etc?
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You can use a UPnP source, or ftp/webdav, but yea, no option to use any of those natively, without downloading the songs to local storage as far as I know
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Initially was very disappointed with the supplied dac. I can hear static n audio breaking up. Then i realised that the issue only appear when I'm on low volume with equalizer turned on. Bumping up the volume fixed the static n breaking up issue. So my current setup is supplied dac + portable amp. The amp is to control the volume as connecting directly to the dac is too loud for my preference. It is the best sounding setup i have thus far. Sounds better than pairing my old mp3 player with the same amp. I'm using poweramp to play my songs.
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Personally I have been using Neutron Music Player on the Play Store, and it has been working great.
I picked it up years ago on sale and downloaded it on my PH-1 to see if it added a setting to support USB DACs, and it turns out it did
However, it did not use the external DAC by default, you have to enable it in the settings. The setting was specifically under Audio Hardware, as 'Direct USB Driver' to allow direct access to the USB device. I am on Nougat and after closing and reopening the app, the background hiss/static I could hear while using the default output is now gone and my Essential USB-C DAC has been working great.
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I am using Neutron Trial version (which is a full version limited to 5 days) and I don't see much of a difference between its direct USB driver vs generic driver. Could you please check in the settings Audio Hardware, what is the bitrate listed? For me when I enable "Direct USB Driver" its fixing the bitrate to 48kHz, is it the same for you as well?
Has anyone tried the Essential DAC with PowerAMP? I know it supports USB DACS pretty well.
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I am using Neutron Trial version (which is a full version limited to 5 days) and I don't see much of a difference between its direct USB driver vs generic driver. Could you please check in the settings Audio Hardware, what is the bitrate listed? For me when I enable "Direct USB Driver" its fixing the bitrate to 48kHz, is it the same for you as well?
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The direct USB driver, to my knowledge, is the setting that enables direct DAC driver. The generic driver is a setting that says to use a less specific version of the direct DAC driver that should work with more USB DACs. Each of these settings have submenus that you can play with that should allow you to change the format, frequency, mode, and other settings you might want.
When I have both direct USB driver and generic driver selected, my driver shows up as conexant USB audio, and my bits show up as 32, and frequency 44100. I haven't tryied to tweak the bitrate/frequency as I am happy with the sound from the stock settings with some small EQing for my headphones.
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Has anyone tried the Essential DAC with PowerAMP? I know it supports USB DACS pretty well.
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I used PowerAmp for a while sound was OK, but it did not appear to be loud enough some times. also tweaking the settings, EQ, etc. seem to make it worse for me.
I had paid for Power amp back with my nexus 4 and loved the app, but it just does not sound right for me know.
Also I'm definitely not an audiophile just want to hear my music.
I have been testing Vinyl Music Player and it seems to sound better to me. This is from the Fdroid repository.
Free, No adds and no extra permissions, but no extra settings also.
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The direct USB driver, to my knowledge, is the setting that enables direct DAC driver. The generic driver is a setting that says to use a less specific version of the direct DAC driver that should work with more USB DACs. Each of these settings have submenus that you can play with that should allow you to change the format, frequency, mode, and other settings you might want.
When I have both direct USB driver and generic driver selected, my driver shows up as conexant USB audio, and my bits show up as 32, and frequency 44100. I haven't tryied to tweak the bitrate/frequency as I am happy with the sound from the stock settings with some small EQing for my headphones.
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Makes sense.. Have you been able to use the headset to receive to calls while you are listening to music? I can't hear the incoming calls, and if I make a call, it goes to device speaker. Both cases it stops the music though.
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Makes sense.. Have you been able to use the headset to receive to calls while you are listening to music? I can't hear the incoming calls, and if I make a call, it goes to device speaker. Both cases it stops the music though.
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I think it depends on the Rom you are running. When I was on nougat, receiving phone calls while music was playing was a crapshoot.
On Lineage OS, the few times I have received or made a call with the headphones plugged in, it worked fine, I could hear them and it came through the headphones, and it even switched to earpiece when I unplugged the adapter. :good:
I'm not sure how it is on the current official Oreo 8.1 release as I haven't used it for enough time where I would have ran into a situation where I was making or taking a call with headphones in.
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Has anyone tried the Essential DAC with PowerAMP? I know it supports USB DACS pretty well.
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When I wrote this originally I tried the paid version of PowerAMP and its beta version. Neither was able to natively recognize the Essential DAC. I'd used PowerAMP for years.
I haven't bothered to try it since I switched to Onkyo HF
Maybe you want to add BlackPlayer EX to the list. I proved with the Onkyo HF Player, HibyMusic and USB Audio Player Pro and I can hardly find any significant difference.
Also I tried with the LeEco LeMax 2 headphones (the only one with usb- c port I have) and the ubs-c to 3.5mm adapter. The LeEco headphone are way much better. Better bass, better clarity, greater sharpness. Even at louder music. So, if you want to recomend a cheap but great usb-c headphones, the LeEco option is wonderful.
So glad I found this thread. we just got two essentials in the house and I am interested in some of the add-ons but really just wanted the USB to mini adapter to work a bit better.
I'd forgotten about USB audio pro, which I bought some time back for a tablet and outboard DAC.
works great with the usb-c to mini, and it lets you browse Tidal and, iirc, upnp libraries.
For those interested, just now essential is offering 3 months of Tidal for free.
I've been experimenting with the Bluetooth options in developer options, but every time I change them, they change back to the default settings.
Has anyone any help on how to make them stick?
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I've experienced this as well. I believe by design, you must first have an audio device paired and connected before changing these settings, and even then, when doing so, the BT device must be capable of such settings. As an example, when my BT headphones are connected, I can set the DEV option to a lower than 24 bits "per sample" but not higher. All the settings here depend on the hardware in use and whether it is capable of the setting. ->Then when disconnected, the dev options return to their default settings. -But they should return when re-connected.
-hope this helps to at least get the discussion ball rolling.
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I've experienced this as well. I believe by design, you must first have an audio device paired and connected before changing these settings, and even then, when doing so, the BT device must be capable of such settings. As an example, when my BT headphones are connected, I can set the DEV option to a lower than 24 bits "per sample" but not higher. All the settings here depend on the hardware in use and whether it is capable of the setting. ->Then when disconnected, the dev options return to their default settings. -But they should return when re-connected.
-hope this helps to at least get the discussion ball rolling.
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^ The above is definitely not true. At least not for everyone. I have a galaxy note 9 and I've tried connecting headphones as well as a pair of edifier speakers. Nothing except AVRCP version sticks, and that sticks whether I have a bluetooth device connected or not. Everything else does not stick, even though both devices are of course capable of aptX and 48khz and 24b/s. In fact the speakers are intended for 48khz 24b/s, it causes audio stuttering if I have anything else. No matter what I do, everything just defaults to SBC, 44.1khz, 16b/s. It's clearly broken and has been for like 3 versions of android OS lol. Every android phone I've ever had has had this problem too. So clearly it has nothing to do with the hardware you're connected to, since all the devices I've connected are intended for aptX, 48khz, 24b/s. And I don't think it has anything to do with the phone's hardware either, since I used to use an essential phone which is advertised as being intended for aptX HD use with the "TIDAL" app. They gave me a 3 month free trial to this service and said it output high fidelity audio via aptX HD. But no, the essential phone's bluetooth developer options behaved in exactly the same way. I've tried a lot of other things as well, so I'm pretty sure this UI element is either just fundamentally broken, or is intentionally locked from the user, presumably for some patronizing reason
I have a LG CM2440 micro hifi system that can play audio from an Android phone over USB using AOA2.0. I'm trying to use this feature and it plays fine but only 1 or 2 minutes and then goes silent. On the phone the app playing somehow freezes for a while and then continues without audio until USB is unplugged or playback paused and resumed. Anyone had a similar issue? I tested two phones and both behave the same so I belive it is the hifi system. I see nothing to tweak in regards to AOA2.0 in the hifi system or in the phones. Is there some secret menu that would allow to tweak AOA2.0?
Thank you!
Sounds like power management is shutting it down. Not sure what LG is using globally for that. Start there and make sure the app(s) battery setting is set to allow background usage.
I don't let it sleep and it plays fine when not plugged to USB. I think not likely to be power management.
Is there some way to test the AOA USB audio besides the hifi system? Some way to have a PC behave like an audio endpoint?
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I don't let it sleep and it plays fine when not plugged to USB. I think not likely to be power management.
Is there some way to test the AOA USB audio besides the hifi system? Some way to have a PC behave like an audio endpoint?
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I doubt it's hardware unless the DAC you're using is incompatible or defective. You can transfer large folders to the PC? Either a settings or firmware issue, more likely settings.
Maybe a bad 3rd party app. May have altered hidden user settings even if it was uninstalled.
You want verification? Factory reset would rule out a settings issue including hidden settings.
However if you don't find the root cause (and avoid it) it likely will reoccur.
Play with it. Google search for others with the same issue, doesn't necessarily have to be the same model or OS version.
Thank you for suggesting!
Yes, I tried that, phone freshly reset behaves the same. Two different phones behave the same. I googled but find nothing relevant.
The USB connection remains operative because even when the audio fails the player still responds to the hifi buttons (play, stop... the player in the phone can be controlled by the buttons in the hifi system).
I opened the hifi system to see the route of the signal, the USB plug goes to a BX8805 IC that looks like an ARM processor and it outputs a PWM signal to the amplifier. Nothing to do there, likely a firmware issue. Maybe I could try some ADB debug but not sure how could I attach the phone USB to a PC and the hifi system at the same time.
USB playback apparently not fixable so I will stick with bluetooth playback (it seems to me that USB playback sounds better).
For future reference after some investigation I found the following "LG bluetooth remote" app that works properly. This app allows control of the hifi system from the phone.
Free download btc 4 APK for Android
Download free LG Bluetooth Remote 4 1.3 for your Android phone or tablet, file size: 7.35 MB, was updated 2017/30/06 Requirements:android: 2.3.3 Gingerbread or above
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File name: LG_Bluetooth_Remote_4-1.3.apk
It is no longer available on google play but can be downloaded and installed enabling external sources. All functions that are supposed to work do work!
On Google play there is a LG XBOOM app that does not work very well with this hifi. Volume control broken (goes to MAX), missing equalizer option and hangs when CD or USB functions selected.