especially compared to the oneplus5t
thx
varignet said:
especially compared to the oneplus5t
thx
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According to the gsm areana site (which is usually pretty accurate for this sort of stuff), the full spec details for each of these models are as follows:
OnePlus 6:
External Dimensions: 7.5 mm thickness (no data on length and height as of yet, until officially announced, but the screen size may give you some idea)
Screen Size: 6.28 inches, 98.4 cm2
Resolution: 1080 x 2280 pixels, 19:9 ratio (~402 ppi density)
https://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_6-9109.php
OnePlus 5T:
Dimensions: 7.5 mm thickness
Screen Size: 6.01 inches, 93.7 cm2 (~80.0% screen-to-body ratio)
Resolution: 1080 x 2160 pixels, 18:9 ratio (~401 ppi density)
https://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_5t-8912.php
As you can see the thickness of both phones appears to be the same, however the screen size is not. (the screen on the OnePlus 6 looks like it will be bigger than the OnePlus 5T). Though bear in mind if they're doing the whole full screen with notch thing, that doesn't necessarily mean that the external dimensions will change. So for that, we'll just have to wait and see.
If you could have the dimensions any way you wanted them though, what would you ideally be hoping they would be?
AnabolicAndroidz said:
According to the gsm areana site (which is usually pretty accurate for this sort of stuff), the full spec details for each of these models are as follows:
OnePlus 6:
External Dimensions: 7.5 mm thickness (no data on length and height as of yet, until officially announced, but the screen size may give you some idea)
Screen Size: 6.28 inches, 98.4 cm2
Resolution: 1080 x 2280 pixels, 19:9 ratio (~402 ppi density)
https://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_6-9109.php
OnePlus 5T:
Dimensions: 7.5 mm thickness
Screen Size: 6.01 inches, 93.7 cm2 (~80.0% screen-to-body ratio)
Resolution: 1080 x 2160 pixels, 18:9 ratio (~401 ppi density)
https://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_5t-8912.php
As you can see the thickness of both phones appears to be the same, however the screen size is not. (the screen on the OnePlus 6 looks like it will be bigger than the OnePlus 5T). Though bear in mind if they're doing the whole full screen with notch thing, that doesn't necessarily mean that the external dimensions will change. So for that, we'll just have to wait and see.
If you could have the dimensions any way you wanted them though, what would you ideally be hoping they would be?
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thanks, hopefully on par or smaller than the existing 5t.
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especially compared to the oneplus5t
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thanks, hopefully on par or smaller than the existing 5t.
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Yeah, I hope they don't get too much bigger either, I think plus sized smartphones are already slightly larger than the ideal size for carrying anyway. And if they go any bigger, they might as well be full blown tablets. But smartphones with a big enough screen whilst still being able to carry them in a jeans pocket comfortably without it bulging to the extent where it either digs in or just looks like I'm just pleased to see ya, is ideally the way I prefer them to be.
Related
How would you owners reply to this engadget (UK) review
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/18/asus-eee-pad-transformer-uk-edition-review/
The downpoints they point out are
Broken camera software
Highly reflective glass
Honeycomb still has issues to iron out
Also looks like its bigger than the ipad2 is this a issue?
Thanks, considering getting one but to replace my netbook so not 100% sure, plus it isn't out in the UK until June so haven't seen in the flesh.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1040741&highlight=engadget
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Also looks like its bigger than the ipad2 is this a issue?
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The difference in size is negligible. Considering the tablet alone (it wouldn't be fair to include the dock, since the iPad lacks one) it is only 4mm (~2/16ths of an inch) thicker, 30mm (1.2 inches) wider, but 10mm (0.4 inches) less tall.
Also remember that the iPad 2 not only has a smaller 9.7-inch screen, but it also has a 4:3 aspect ratio. If you're going to watch movies, chances are they'll be 16:9 aspect. The Transformer's 10.1-inch 16:10 aspect ratio screen will hence be much closer to the correct ratio, and as a result will need much less letterboxing than the iPad's will.
For a 16:9 movie, the comparison is as follows:
* Transformer -- 8.6 x 5.4 inch display, of which 8.6 x 4.8 inches are used for the movie, the remainder is letterboxed.
* iPad 2 -- 7.8 x 5.8 inch display, of which 7.8 x 4.4 inches are used for the movie, the remainder is letterboxed.
That's 20% more LCD surface area used to view the movie on the Transformer than on the iPad 2. To put that in a way people are more likely to understand, that's ever so slightly more than the difference between a 32-inch HDTV and a 35-inch HDTV.
True what about weight?
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The difference in size is negligible. Considering the tablet alone (it wouldn't be fair to include the dock, since the iPad lacks one) it is only 4mm (~2/16ths of an inch) thicker, 30mm (1.2 inches) wider, but 10mm (0.4 inches) less tall.
Also remember that the iPad 2 not only has a smaller 9.7-inch screen, but it also has a 4:3 aspect ratio. If you're going to watch movies, chances are they'll be 16:9 aspect. The Transformer's 10.1-inch 16:10 aspect ratio screen will hence be much closer to the correct ratio, and as a result will need much less letterboxing than the iPad's will.
For a 16:9 movie, the comparison is as follows:
* Transformer -- 8.6 x 5.4 inch display, of which 8.6 x 4.8 inches are used for the movie, the remainder is letterboxed.
* iPad 2 -- 7.8 x 5.8 inch display, of which 7.8 x 4.4 inches are used for the movie, the remainder is letterboxed.
That's 20% more LCD surface area used to view the movie on the Transformer than on the iPad 2. To put that in a way people are more likely to understand, that's ever so slightly more than the difference between a 32-inch HDTV and a 35-inch HDTV.
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You also forgot that at the resolution of the transformer (1280x800) 720p video doesn't get scaled down since it fits fully on the screen unlike the (1024x768) iPad 2.
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True what about weight?
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The Transformer tablet is only 12% heavier than the iPad 2, despite the larger screen and extra features. It's actually 1% *lighter* than the first-gen iPad, and I don't remember anybody loudly complaining about the iPad's weight at the time, so unless the world is suddenly populated by weaklings, I'm sure we'll all be fine. ;-)
Incidentally, the Transformer is also 1/2mm less thick than the first-gen iPad, only 28mm wider, and 15mm less tall. That makes the Transformer around 1% smaller by volume, as well as 1% lighter.
In other words, indistinguishable, but a whole heck of a lot more powerful...
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You also forgot that at the resolution of the transformer (1280x800) 720p video doesn't get scaled down since it fits fully on the screen unlike the (1024x768) iPad 2.
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Very good point which I forgot to mention. And the higher pixel density should also make the Transformer slightly less tiring on the eyes.
Thanks you've done your research and maths
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I have two android phones. Both of them have the same resolution and similar display size (as per company specifications), TFT capacitive touchscreen, 256K colors, WVGA resolution 480x800 pixels. The only small difference is..one has a display size of 3.5 inches and the other 3.75 inches....not much of a difference.
However, the phone with the 0.25inches larger display size shows pixel grids horribly and in the other one it doesn't show at all. What could be the reason? I also see banding on the larger display, which is not present in the other.
The larger display seems like a display with much less actual resolution. Does phone resolution specs on paper of the larger display lie? How do I check the actual resolution of a display?
The attached image below shows what I mean by pixel grids being visible.
It also depend on the technology being used (TN panel, IPS or AMOLED), the quality control come into play, and subpixels arrangement. Paper spec for display are useless, it's better to see the phone in person.
Please take the information I am providing with a grain of salt, I own only one of these devices (the Galaxy Nexus). I am providing this information purely for the sake of knowledge and research. Certainly, the best way to know which is the best display for you is to see them in person and decide for yourself. If anyone would like me to add any more phones to the list, please let me know.
That said, the one statistic many reviewers have not provided is what I like to refer to as SPPI, or sub-pixels per inch. In my opinion (which is all I can provide) SPPI is a MUCH more important number than PPI (pixels per inch). Although I can not prove so, I believe that while the human eye combines sub-pixels for COLOR, we resolve SHARPNESS from SPPI and NOT from traditional PPI; hence technologies such as Microsoft's ClearType, which are able to provide text that is up to 3 times sharper (in one direction) than the display's PPI would otherwise allow.
I will also include what I will call "Relative RGB PPI" for the PenTile displays; this will be calculated based on how many pixels the display would have per inch if it had the same SPPI, but with a full RGB arrangement instead of PenTile. The formula I use for this is as follows: (PPI*2)/3=Relative RGB PPI. The RGB stripe displays will only have "True PPI" because every pixel is capable of displaying every possible color. This will give a somewhat more accurate depiction of pixel density than is provided by traditional methods. Well, on to the numbers!
Samsung Galaxy Nexus
Resolution: 1280x720
Screen size: 4.65 inches (16:9 AR)
Sub-pixel arrangement: RG BG PenTile stripe
Traditional PPI: 315
Relative RGB PPI: 210
Sub-pixels per inch: 630
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Screen size: 4.7 inches
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True PPI: 320
Sub-pixels per inch: 960
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Resolution: 1920x1080
Screen size: 4.99 inches (16:9 AR)
Sub-pixel arrangement: RG BG PenTile diagonal/hexagonal
Traditional PPI: 441
Relative RGB PPI: 294
Sub-pixels per inch: 882
HTC One
Resolution: 1920x1080 (16:9 AR)
Screen size: 4.7 inches
Sub-pixel arrangement: RGB stripe
True PPI: 468
Sub-pixels per inch: 1404
Firstly, you should calculate again. You have the wrong calculation for the sub-pixels per inch and what you called "True PPI" of Pentile screen.
Secondly, you don't understand anything about Pentile technology. It takes the advantage of strong luminance green pixels of OLED to reduce the number of total sub-pixels without making a big depression on sharpness. If you say the sharpness depends on the number of sub-pixels only, so this technology is useless? Besides, it also depends on the stripe layout. On S4, it's diamond shape, which is way better than the implementation on S3
The redundant space is minimal and to be the same, not different big-small gaps flike on S3 (which is one of the main culprit of Jagginess on S3)
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Edit: To be clear here, here are the calculation for subpixels per inch.
1920 x 1080 at 4.7"(HTC One), 3 subpixels per pixel -> 6,220,800 subpixels = 3,325.5 x 1,870.6 subpixels (16:9)
811 subpixels per inch
1920 x 1080 at 5" (Samsung Galaxy S4), 2 subpixels per pixel -> 4,147,200 subpixels = 2,715.3 x 1,527.3 subpixels (16:9)
623 subpixels per inch
In addition, the subpixels per inch of iPhone 5 (329ppi) is 565 and of Z10 (347 ppi) is 615.
And here is the comparison of sharpness, S4 (what you said has the "True PPI" of 294) looks way sharper than iPhone 5 (with the so-called Retina display) under the microscope
hung2900 said:
You should calculate again
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Did I miscalculate somewhere?
hung2900 said:
You should calculate again
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Well that was an informed and helpful response...
The numbers seem to correlate with my experience with pentile displays. I still find the subpixels a bit jarring on 720 amoleds, but I have to be looking for them, unlike my old HTC Desire or Moto Atrix. However, it's also worth pointing out that you only need around 300dpi to lose the individual pixels at typical phone viewing distances so it seems plausible you might not be able to see a difference in sharpness between an S4 and an HTC One. I've not seen any of the FHD devices but I'm guessing any improvements in the LCD are more from technological progression than higher resolution where the amoled actually gains from the higher resolution.
Personally, I'd prefer a smaller device with a 4.5" 720p rgb amoled display (as calibrated by HTC, not Samsung!) to any of the current options but manufacturers like to tick boxes like 'biggest' and 'highest resolution'.
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mcimo88 said:
Did I miscalculate somewhere?
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I edited above.
Azurael said:
Well that was an informed and helpful response...
The numbers seem to correlate with my experience with pentile displays. I still find the subpixels a bit jarring on 720 amoleds, but I have to be looking for them, unlike my old HTC Desire or Moto Atrix. However, it's also worth pointing out that you only need around 300dpi to lose the individual pixels at typical phone viewing distances so it seems plausible you might not be able to see a difference in sharpness between an S4 and an HTC One. I've not seen any of the FHD devices but I'm guessing any improvements in the LCD are more from technological progression than higher resolution where the amoled actually gains from the higher resolution.
Personally, I'd prefer a smaller device with a 4.5" 720p rgb amoled display (as calibrated by HTC, not Samsung!) to any of the current options but manufacturers like to tick boxes like 'biggest' and 'highest resolution'.
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I feel the same way about the sub-pixels being slightly jarring on Pen-tile displays with low to medium SPPI counts. My wife has a Droid RAZR for example, and the display on it destroys my eyes with a SPPI of 512. Certain colors look fine with PenTile, while others (red especially) look grainy. One thing I would imagine will help the display of the S4 besides having a high SPPI is the new arrangement of sub-pixels in a diagonal/hexagonal setup. Personally, the one thing that is really keeping me away from the S4 is the image retention/burn in and general uneven nature of AMOLED screens in general. In this case I will likely be going for the HTC One, which should be a more accurate display. I am hoping that Erica Griffin on YouTube can get one of her AMAZING reviews up for the S4, which could possibly sway my decision.
mcimo88 said:
I feel the same way about the sub-pixels being slightly jarring on Pen-tile displays with low to medium SPPI counts. My wife has a Droid RAZR for example, and the display on it destroys my eyes with a SPPI of 512. Certain colors look fine with PenTile, while others (red especially) look grainy. One thing I would imagine will help the display of the S4 besides having a high SPPI is the new arrangement of sub-pixels in a diagonal/hexagonal setup. Personally, the one thing that is really keeping me away from the S4 is the image retention/burn in and general uneven nature of AMOLED screens in general. In this case I will likely be going for the HTC One, which should be a more accurate display. I am hoping that Erica Griffin on YouTube can get one of her AMAZING reviews up for the S4, which could possibly sway my decision.
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I don't think comparing the old Amoled to the new one is a good way. Samsung has improved their display significantly recently after each version.
About the color, you can switch to AdobeRGB mode or movie mode which is proved to have more accurate colors than iPhone 5 and HTC One.
And please read the my post above to see SPPI calculation
P/s: I love Erica Griffin reviews too
The S4 is a lot sharper than the iPhone (which I think is fine) so I have no worries.
hung2900 said:
Firstly, you should calculate again. You have the wrong calculation for the sub-pixels per inch and what you called "True PPI" of Pentile screen.
Secondly, you don't understand anything about Pentile technology. It takes the advantage of strong luminance green pixels of OLED to reduce the number of total sub-pixels without making a big depression on sharpness. If you say the sharpness depends on the number of sub-pixels only, so this technology is useless? Besides, it also depends on the stripe layout. On S4, it's diamond shape, which is way better than the implementation on S3
The redundant space is minimal and to be the same, not different big-small gaps flike on S3 (which is one of the main culprit of Jagginess on S3)
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Edit: To be clear here, here are the calculation for subpixels per inch.
1920 x 1080 at 4.7"(HTC One), 3 subpixels per pixel -> 6,220,800 subpixels = 3,325.5 x 1,870.6 subpixels (16:9)
811 subpixels per inch
1920 x 1080 at 5" (Samsung Galaxy S4), 2 subpixels per pixel -> 4,147,200 subpixels = 2,715.3 x 1,527.3 subpixels (16:9)
623 subpixels per inch
In addition, the subpixels per inch of iPhone 5 (329ppi) is 565 and of Z10 (347 ppi) is 615.
And here is the comparison of sharpness, S4 (what you said has the "True PPI" of 294) looks way sharper than iPhone 5 (with the so-called Retina display) under the microscope
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hung2900 said:
I edited above.
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hung2900 said:
I don't think comparing the old Amoled to the new one is a good way. Samsung has improved their display significantly recently after each version.
About the color, you can switch to AdobeRGB mode or movie mode which is proved to have more accurate colors than iPhone 5 and HTC One.
And please read the my post above to see SPPI calculation
P/s: I love Erica Griffin reviews too
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Thank you for clarifying! For the record, I understand what PenTile technology is, and its purpose (to essentially increase the working resolution of the display beyond what current manufacturing methods will allow for full RGB sub-pixel arrangements). I also completely agree with you that the physical arrangement of the sub-pixels in PenTile displays is a very important factor in perceived sharpness. Further, I believe Samsung got it right with their hexagonal pattern of sub-pixels on the GS4 (way to go Sammy!).
I'm not sure I am following your calculations; could you elaborate on how you arrived at these numbers? It looks like you may be calculating based on area. I could be wrong here, but logic tells me that if a screen had 100 pixels per inch, and each pixel contains 3 sub-pixels, it should have 300 sub-pixels per inch; in other words, SPPI = PPI times the number of sub-pixels per pixel.
Again, I am not claiming to be any kind of mathematician, so please correct me if I am wrong!
And yes, Erica Griffin's reviews are awesome!
Hi all, i want to buy this phone but i have one question. Is 367 ppi enough ? Is display sharp enough ? I have read many reviews and test...., in some reviews testers say that the resolution is absolute ok....., in another that is visible difference in sharpness when they compare the screen with higher ppi. What is your opinion ?? I have no chance to see the screen in shop. I want to buy this fone, but i´m worried about this thing. Thanx for answers
The screen is very good, excellent contrast and beatiful colors, for me is ok 367 ppi
Kzyw said:
The screen is very good, excellent contrast and beatiful colors, for me is ok 367 ppi
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Screenshot please...
mine 380dpi..
I find it fine also. Crisp and clear. Easier on the battery.
A screen shot won't help you, lol. Think about that a minute.....
ghaf85 said:
Screenshot please...
mine 380dpi..
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DPI <> PPI. PPI is the physical amount of pixels per inch, DPI is the amount of Dots per inch displayed by the OS.
This phone has a great display. I wouldn't worry about the relatively low PPI compared to newer phones.
I switched from a Samsung with over 440ppi and could barely notice any difference.
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I have the Ascend Mate 7 from May and after seven months I am not satisfied.
However, regarding the display I must admit that the difference is unnoticeable with 400ppi or more but the problem is not the dpi. Let's view:
- The screen manufacture
I have a big halo in the center of the screen on white colors (It is getting more annoying).
I have a "light" lightbleed on blacks
I don't think that it's a true IPS because if I look it from different angles the screen colors change, especially the black colors
- The Android UI
We have 367ppi on 6" screen and the huawei stock rom is set to 480ppi, so Android will render the screen as it is a 480ppi display. Big status bar, big everything (but this is up to you, I prefer a small UI). To make matters worse for now is impossible to build a custom ROM that it is not stock-derivative (See my post here).
Hello,.
My current phone for years has been the Samsung Galaxy S4. I believe the aspect ratio of its screen is the same as a standard wide-screen movie (or wide-screen TV, 16:9. It seems like 16:9 widescreen is standard for laptops now too. (Although i preferred the older 4:3 taller laptop screens.) Likely desktop monitors as well. I think Android and Windows tablets are all 16:9 as well, although the Ipad (at least the older ones) is 4:3. So I think the 16:9 aspect ratio of my Galaxy S4 screen is pretty standard now for most types of screens, including phones 5 inch screens and under.
I am thinking of getting a bigger screen phone, or phablet. Although there are disadvantages with the increased size, I also see advantages, especially with my aging eyes, and think it might somewhat be able to function as a small tablet, while still fitting (even if not as well) in a front (male) pants pocket..
I think the size for a "phablet" is considered 5.5 inches and higher. Many are 5.5 inches, some 5.7 inches, and some even larger, such as 6 inches. By far the most common though, seem to be 5.5 and 5.7 inches.
I understand that the reported measurement of screen size is the diagonal measurement, from one corner diagonally across.
Well, there could be different combinations of height and width that would end up measuring 5.5 inches diagonally, for example.
So my first question is-- does a designated screen size of 5.5 inches refer to a specific screen height and width, or are there multiple different 5.5" screen sizes, that all end up being 5.5" diagonally? Or is it standardized?
I compared my S4 with a 5.5" screen phone in a store. The 5.5" phone was only slightly wider, but MUCH longer than my S4. (That description is holding the phone portrait, of course.) As the S4 is already standard widescreen aspect ratio, that would make the phone I saw much wider (if landscape) or longer (if portrait) than standard widescreen movies, TVs, laptops, Android tablets, etc. I can understand why they might not want to make the phone much wider, making it harder to hold. On the other hand, one wonders how valuable a larger screen is if the increase in size is mostly in one direction, and the aspect ratio of the screen becomes so skewed, so much longer and narrower (portrait) than other screens?
However, regarding my earlier question- if 5.5" screen size is not sometihng standardized, but could be different combinations of height and width to add up to 5.5" diagonally, then all 5.5" phones might not have that skewed extra long and narrow screen aspect ratio? Which is it? All 5.5" screens the same height and width (of screen, not phone), or do they differ?
If one goes larger than that, to 5.7 inch, might that more likely add width as well as length, to have a more normal aspect ratio? Or do those still keep a similar width (in portrait), while adding still more length, to create an even more skewed longer and narrow (portrait) aspect ratio?
I am eager to hear whatever info and insight you have on this issue. Thanks in advance for your input.
Although I have a new phone now, I am still curious about this question. For instance, whether a 5.5 inch screen, referring to the diagonal measurement, refers to a standardized screen height and width, or whether that might differ among phones, only that the diagonal measurement ends up at that number?
And other questions I asked in the OP.
Thank you.