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[q] how about this...

Instead of making roms with all kinds of tweaks how about making an ICS Rom for tmous sensation 4g with everything working? Truthfully all I want in a Rom is an overclock kernel fm radio a browser that I can actually search with and most importantly tmo WiFi calling to work. All that other stuff (i don't know what it is) I could care less about. I just want the previously mentioned features to work and that's it. Sense overlay is nice but not even a requirement. I hear all kinds off sh*t talking about HTC devs that take forever to get their software out but at least when it comes out it seems to work. Instead of these roms that are kicked out to us everyday with a list of important features that just don't work. What is the point? Right now I'm waiting for an official ics update to come out and I'm just sticking to that. Rooted overclocked and thats about it. I have tried many of these custom roms and they all have some stupid problem which should not be happening. What's the point if no features work and the phone reboots all the time? For all this I could have stuck with any off the rack garbage bullish*t android phone. I get the same garbage performance. I mean most of the time people buy a phone because of certain features. But I don't think I'm asking for too much to have a proper stock browser WiFi calling and little or no random reboots. Basically, what's the problem here?

Kevc44485 said:
Instead of making roms with all kinds of tweaks how about making an ICS Rom for tmous sensation 4g with everything working? Truthfully all I want in a Rom is an overclock kernel fm radio a browser that I can actually search with and most importantly tmo WiFi calling to work. All that other stuff (i don't know what it is) I could care less about. I just want the previously mentioned features to work and that's it. Sense overlay is nice but not even a requirement. I hear all kinds off sh*t talking about HTC devs that take forever to get their software out but at least when it comes out it seems to work. Instead of these roms that are kicked out to us everyday with a list of important features that just don't work. What is the point? Right now I'm waiting for an official ics update to come out and I'm just sticking to that. Rooted overclocked and thats about it. I have tried many of these custom roms and they all have some stupid problem which should not be happening. What's the point if no features work and the phone reboots all the time? For all this I could have stuck with any off the rack garbage bullish*t android phone. I get the same garbage performance. I mean most of the time people buy a phone because of certain features. But I don't think I'm asking for too much to have a proper stock browser WiFi calling and little or no random reboots. Basically, what's the problem here?
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If you want it so bad and apparently you think it's a piece of cake, why don't you go make it yourself if you're that impatient.
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jab74101 said:
If you want it so bad and apparently you think it's a piece of cake, why don't you go make it yourself if you're that impatient.
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Never once did I imply that I thought it was easy nor did I say I wanted anything so badly, except for working features. In fact I said I would wait for an official update. I don't understand where that reply came from. As far as making a Rom myself I would love to but to ask a question on this website is like pulling teeth so...

OP, don't forget that developers need to release a somewhat working ROM in order for people to test and find things that might be wrong with it. Also you can't really blame them if they get excited and want to release as soon as they got something.

Ha! Wow, that's a pretty disrespectful rant...
You do realize that developers on xda and other sites are not employees, right? Nobody here is getting a salary, and projects that are released are done so for the benefit of the community. HTC has recently made it somewhat easier with OTA, RUU, and ICS kernel sources... yet, many projects are based on reverse engineering a ROM instead of working from the ground up with AOSP source. If something was compiled solely from AOSP then you'd have a pretty lack-luster ROM without any of the fancy functionality I'm sure you're looking for.
Now, add to all of this the fact that google REALLY changed things up with ICS and it's understandable that hiccups are going to occur!
Relax, crack a beer, wait for your OTA, and don't expect others to put work/family/school/etc... aside so that YOU can have wi-fi calling on a custom ROM.

GROGG88 said:
Ha! Wow, that's a pretty disrespectful rant...
You do realize that developers on xda and other sites are not employees, right? Nobody here is getting a salary, and projects that are released are done so for the benefit of the community. HTC has recently made it somewhat easier with OTA, RUU, and ICS kernel sources... yet, many projects are based on reverse engineering a ROM instead of working from the ground up with AOSP source. If something was compiled solely from AOSP then you'd have a pretty lack-luster ROM without any of the fancy functionality I'm sure you're looking for.
Now, add to all of this the fact that google REALLY changed things up with ICS and it's understandable that hiccups are going to occur!
Relax, crack a beer, wait for your OTA, and don't expect others to put work/family/school/etc... aside so that YOU can have wi-fi calling on a custom ROM.
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All I want is a browser and WiFi calling.

Custom Roms: No longer the "must do" they once were?....

Ok, so im moving from the htc sensation XE to the HTC one.
During my time with the sensation, i pretty much put on every rom/kernal/patch etc and the in the end, im posting this from a stock rom.
Why?
Well, i found that not one custom Rom worked 100%. The CM ROMs especially, with poor camera, poor scrolling and poor telephone.
ARHD became unbearable, with FC's and Permission bugs, the Sense 4 ROMs were slow and on and on.
Coming back to stock, after using ROMs which (apparently ) have been super optimised, I don't notice much difference in performance tbh. Battery life is similar, speed is similar etc.
YMMV on this one, but whatever.
In fact, the stock Rom just works
So, fast forward to two more iterations f the smart phone, and I believe the immense power now available should mean that the "optimization" ROMs, CM etc are becoming pointless. There is ample power to run the stock Rom no matter how bloated it is.
Some exceptions would be a slow roll out of updates from your carrier though.
Anyway, after flashing so much, and reverting back to stock, I'm not going to be in a rush to put a custom Rom on the One when it comes.
Even rooting it, I may hold off for a while. I'm just not sure these days what the point is.
Why knacker up the warranty?
Pah!

Different people have different uses/needs. All custom ROMs pretty much worked on my HD2 (although it's an exception since it originally had WinMo) and all of them work smoothly on the N4. Different devices also have different bugs, so you can't base the entire decision on your experience with only one device. As for why you'd want to flash one if you're OK with performance, the answer is that some of them have tonnes of features and UI enhancements. Take PA over stock 4.2.2 for example, or an AOSP based ROM over TouchWiz.

I have been thinking the same for all the reasons mentioned. I would like Titanium and Nandroids and some status bar themes. But, otherwise, for me, custom roms may not offer much. And, they do seem to have their own quirks. The stock roms and better processors now days can stand on their own for most folks. Having flashed hundreds of roms, there has been many occasions were I did something and said "Oh S--T" I am bricked. Luckily I have always been able to recoup. I am looking at the One and S4 and may root after a bit, but may not flash a custom rom. My One S had no issues running with the bloatware. But, who knows after so much flashing it may be hard to stop.

Superpiper1972 said:
Ok, so im moving from the htc sensation XE to the HTC one.
During my time with the sensation, i pretty much put on every rom/kernal/patch etc and the in the end, im posting this from a stock rom.
Why?
Well, i found that not one custom Rom worked 100%. The CM ROMs especially, with poor camera, poor scrolling and poor telephone.
ARHD became unbearable, with FC's and Permission bugs, the Sense 4 ROMs were slow and on and on.
Coming back to stock, after using ROMs which (apparently ) have been super optimised, I don't notice much difference in performance tbh. Battery life is similar, speed is similar etc.
YMMV on this one, but whatever.
In fact, the stock Rom just works
So, fast forward to two more iterations f the smart phone, and I believe the immense power now available should mean that the "optimization" ROMs, CM etc are becoming pointless. There is ample power to run the stock Rom no matter how bloated it is.
Some exceptions would be a slow roll out of updates from your carrier though.
Anyway, after flashing so much, and reverting back to stock, I'm not going to be in a rush to put a custom Rom on the One when it comes.
Even rooting it, I may hold off for a while. I'm just not sure these days what the point is.
Why knacker up the warranty?
Pah!
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This is where alot of people get confused. The point of making a custom rom was never for everyday people to be flashing them, They were for developers to try new things and see what they could make happen. Does this break things? Yeah from time to time but that is all part of learning.

That's all true also DK. It does depend what we want from phone and if we want the risks of flashing. I have done it long enough and maybe just getting old and tired. It takes a lot of time to keep up with the roms and not have to rely on others for all your info. Although XDA was/is a dev forum, it has also benefited in member growth with all the people now interested in flashing.
I think it is more likely with the new phones that some will not see the need to flash a custom rom as much as they wanted/needed to say 3-4 years ago.
Either way it is still a personal choice and more than likely I will still flash whether I need to or not--

rugmankc said:
That's all true also DK. It does depend what we want from phone and if we want the risks of flashing. I have done it long enough and maybe just getting old and tired. It takes a lot of time to keep up with the roms and not have to rely on others for all your info. Although XDA was/is a dev forum, it has also benefited in member growth with all the people now interested in flashing.
I think it is more likely with the new phones that some will not see the need to flash a custom rom as much as they wanted/needed to say 3-4 years ago.
Either way it is still a personal choice and more than likely I will still flash whether I need to or not--
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Oh trust me If it wasnt for the crapware and bloat OEMs added to their devices and the absolute UGLY look to them I may not feel a NEED to flash a custom rom but with the listed things for me it is still very needed. Mainly the UGLY. I can deal with a bit of lag but it better be good looking while it lags lol

agreed--

[Q] The severe lack of ROMs / Kernels

Hi everyone!
I am currently looking to replace my slightly broken Google Nexus 5 with a Sony Z3 and as per usual I checked the XDA for common issues or anything that I may need to be aware of before purchasing one... So whilst I was here I decided to look through the ROM's / Kernels and these is a huge lack of ROM's for this phone...
What are the reasons behind this? Is this a pure lack of developers willing to spend their time on it? The source code not being available easily?
Is there a logical explanation for this?
I had two ROM's a while back for five different phones (links are below probably) and I was thinking of getting back into it again and being a Sony phone I thought "I have done it once, I can do it again!"
Any help / guidance / explanation will be great, looking forward to reading through the replies and hopefully purchasing my phone later this week

apmartin1991 said:
Hi everyone!
I am currently looking to replace my slightly broken Google Nexus 5 with a Sony Z3 and as per usual I checked the XDA for common issues or anything that I may need to be aware of before purchasing one... So whilst I was here I decided to look through the ROM's / Kernels and these is a huge lack of ROM's for this phone...
What are the reasons behind this? Is this a pure lack of developers willing to spend their time on it? The source code not being available easily?
Is there a logical explanation for this?
I had two ROM's a while back for five different phones (links are below probably) and I was thinking of getting back into it again and being a Sony phone I thought "I have done it once, I can do it again!"
Any help / guidance / explanation will be great, looking forward to reading through the replies and hopefully purchasing my phone later this week
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The reason rom development is so slow is because of the DRM issue that no one can get passed, the vast majority of Z3 owners still have a locked BL, you can google search and read up that unlocking the phone's BL causes plenty issues, specially camera related. Until a root exploit is found i am afraid it will carry on being this slow..

corpsegrinder62 said:
The reason rom development is so slow is because of the DRM issue that no one can get passed, the vast majority of Z3 owners still have a locked BL, you can google search and read up that unlocking the phone's BL causes plenty issues, specially camera related. Until a root exploit is found i am afraid it will carry on being this slow..
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I did indeed have a quick google and I read about the issues you explained, all about DRM issues with Camera and a few other things.
Many thanks for your reply, hopefully they will remove some of this with android L.

I'm pretty sure the DRM can now be restored with a unlocked bootloader

CameronBanna said:
I'm pretty sure the DRM can now be restored with a unlocked bootloader
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It's not possible. The only thing possible is restore some features that you lose when you unlock the bootloader.

apmartin1991 said:
Hi everyone!
I am currently looking to replace my slightly broken Google Nexus 5 with a Sony Z3 and as per usual I checked the XDA for common issues or anything that I may need to be aware of before purchasing one... So whilst I was here I decided to look through the ROM's / Kernels and these is a huge lack of ROM's for this phone...
What are the reasons behind this? Is this a pure lack of developers willing to spend their time on it? The source code not being available easily?
Is there a logical explanation for this?
I had two ROM's a while back for five different phones (links are below probably) and I was thinking of getting back into it again and being a Sony phone I thought "I have done it once, I can do it again!"
Any help / guidance / explanation will be great, looking forward to reading through the replies and hopefully purchasing my phone later this week
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The main reason there are no roms for the devices at this point is NOT due to the DRM issues. The phone is easily unlocked and rooted - there's instruction all over google...it's actually due to the Xperia Z3 being a very new phone arriving right around the time that Lollipop hit the shelves on Nexus devices. DEVs are busy updating their ROMs to be based on the Lollipop platform. This is of much more importance to them as it gives them much more rep, than them wasting time on a new phone. As they say... being first in the game is a lot easier than working your ass off to catch up.
In my opinion, I think you should jump on the Z3. It's a great phone. Kick ass battery. Great stock rom, and google lollipop update coming soon, which will kick out a lot of the needs for a custom rom for day to day usage + Nova Launcher does a kick ass job filling in a few holes. I'm waiting until DEVs get the lollipop based roms ready and then you can be sure the Z3 will have plenty of custom rom options. For the same reason above, root w/ Locked BL (liked the Z2) probably won't be available for a while as well...but...
The DRM keys that are lost when unlocked, mainly affect the camera (night shots). That said though... it really doesnt. I've done quite a bit of testing in different low light conditions using the Sony Camera app, and using the Google Camera app (cause I love photosphere). The SOny camera app uses the algorithms locked in the DRM keys, while the google camera doesn't. The low light photos, in my opinion, have very minimal difference, unless one is taking a twilight shot using a tripod stand for the phone... in which case they deserve to be hit across the head with a bat.
As for the competition... I tried the Nexus 6 and it's simply too big. The Samsung S5 is nice... but just not sexy enough and the battery is not as good and touchwiz is not really all that great.

munsabin said:
The main reason there are no roms for the devices at this point is NOT due to the DRM issues. The phone is easily unlocked and rooted - there's instruction all over google...it's actually due to the Xperia Z3 being a very new phone arriving right around the time that Lollipop hit the shelves on Nexus devices. DEVs are busy updating their ROMs to be based on the Lollipop platform. This is of much more importance to them as it gives them much more rep, than them wasting time on a new phone. As they say... being first in the game is a lot easier than working your ass off to catch up.
In my opinion, I think you should jump on the Z3. It's a great phone. Kick ass battery. Great stock rom, and google lollipop update coming soon, which will kick out a lot of the needs for a custom rom for day to day usage + Nova Launcher does a kick ass job filling in a few holes. I'm waiting until DEVs get the lollipop based roms ready and then you can be sure the Z3 will have plenty of custom rom options. For the same reason above, root w/ Locked BL (liked the Z2) probably won't be available for a while as well...but...
The DRM keys that are lost when unlocked, mainly affect the camera (night shots). That said though... it really doesnt. I've done quite a bit of testing in different low light conditions using the Sony Camera app, and using the Google Camera app (cause I love photosphere). The SOny camera app uses the algorithms locked in the DRM keys, while the google camera doesn't. The low light photos, in my opinion, have very minimal difference, unless one is taking a twilight shot using a tripod stand for the phone... in which case they deserve to be hit across the head with a bat.
As for the competition... I tried the Nexus 6 and it's simply too big. The Samsung S5 is nice... but just not sexy enough and the battery is not as good and touchwiz is not really all that great.
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Thats a precise answer! Thank you for that. I would like to back it again that the low-light performance is really minimal at most. I'm definitely considering unlocking the bootloader now even to achieve root. Do you know if the D6653 and the D6603 are 'cross-compatible' with custom ROMs?

corpsegrinder62 said:
The reason rom development is so slow is because of the DRM issue that no one can get passed, the vast majority of Z3 owners still have a locked BL, you can google search and read up that unlocking the phone's BL causes plenty issues, specially camera related. Until a root exploit is found i am afraid it will carry on being this slow..
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Should probably edit / delete this post since it's not really correct and you're essentially driving people away from a great phone. DRM is not really an issue if you do some more research, unlocking the phone is easy and info is all over google, and rooting the phone; same story.
Reason no ROMs are available is b/c Xperia Z3 and Lollipop hit the shelves around the same time. DEVs are working to get lollipop based custom ROMs out, not ROMs based on old OS for a new phone.
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squabbi said:
Thats a precise answer! Thank you for that. I would like to back it again that the low-light performance is really minimal at most. I'm definitely considering unlocking the bootloader now even to achieve root. Do you know if the D6653 and the D6603 are 'cross-compatible' with custom ROMs?
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No clue. I'm sure when custom ROMs will be available; that info will be clearly mentioned.

munsabin said:
Should probably edit / delete this post since it's not really correct and you're essentially driving people away from a great phone. DRM is not really an issue if you do some more research, unlocking the phone is easy and info is all over google, and rooting the phone; same story.
Reason no ROMs are available is b/c Xperia Z3 and Lollipop hit the shelves around the same time. DEVs are working to get lollipop based custom ROMs out, not ROMs based on old OS for a new phone.
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No clue. I'm sure when custom ROMs will be available; that info will be clearly mentioned.
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Whilst i do agree to your point, my point of view of the post is not exactly inaccurate but rather a different point of view to yours, think of it like this: many users start developing because they start to tinker with their new amazing device, many users themselves apart from developers try at developing aswell, and this all ads to rom and kernel growth as well as bug/beta testing which developers obviously need to keep developing, whilst yes Lollipop is a great thing and yes many devs are trying to get lollipop working instead of modding kitkat, there are still plenty users that will prefer kitkat over lollipop. The vast majority of users and devs are first working on a root exploit cause 80% (give or take my best guess here) of users are now frustrated from buying a device they cannot unlock or develop with unless they willing to risk their warranty or destroy 30% of the phone's functionality included by sony which we all love and taking such a risk knowing you got only one try to get it right, this is tricky.. so if you think of lets say 30 000 users on xda owning a z3, i can bet you not even 2000 of those are unlocked yet, and therefore slow development happens because all focus is taken to finding an exploit, which is great, i cannot wait for the day my Z3 can get unlocked when we can backup DRM. Im not disrespecting anyone here fyi, im just posting my opinion.

CameronBanna said:
I'm pretty sure the DRM can now be restored with a unlocked bootloader
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Most DRM is not restorable, although it can sometimes be backed up and then restored with various other phones.
iFlasher said:
It's not possible. The only thing possible is restore some features that you lose when you unlock the bootloader.
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This is correct from what I hear.
munsabin said:
The main reason there are no roms for the devices at this point is NOT due to the DRM issues. The phone is easily unlocked and rooted - there's instruction all over google...it's actually due to the Xperia Z3 being a very new phone arriving right around the time that Lollipop hit the shelves on Nexus devices. DEVs are busy updating their ROMs to be based on the Lollipop platform. This is of much more importance to them as it gives them much more rep, than them wasting time on a new phone. As they say... being first in the game is a lot easier than working your ass off to catch up.
In my opinion, I think you should jump on the Z3. It's a great phone. Kick ass battery. Great stock rom, and google lollipop update coming soon, which will kick out a lot of the needs for a custom rom for day to day usage + Nova Launcher does a kick ass job filling in a few holes. I'm waiting until DEVs get the lollipop based roms ready and then you can be sure the Z3 will have plenty of custom rom options. For the same reason above, root w/ Locked BL (liked the Z2) probably won't be available for a while as well...but...
The DRM keys that are lost when unlocked, mainly affect the camera (night shots). That said though... it really doesnt. I've done quite a bit of testing in different low light conditions using the Sony Camera app, and using the Google Camera app (cause I love photosphere). The SOny camera app uses the algorithms locked in the DRM keys, while the google camera doesn't. The low light photos, in my opinion, have very minimal difference, unless one is taking a twilight shot using a tripod stand for the phone... in which case they deserve to be hit across the head with a bat.
As for the competition... I tried the Nexus 6 and it's simply too big. The Samsung S5 is nice... but just not sexy enough and the battery is not as good and touchwiz is not really all that great.
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Thanks for a brilliant reply, I am waiting for CES to finish this week and then if nothing major is announced I will be buying a Z3, as soon as lollipop is out and in a good state I will make a ROM if I have the time
squabbi said:
Thats a precise answer! Thank you for that. I would like to back it again that the low-light performance is really minimal at most. I'm definitely considering unlocking the bootloader now even to achieve root. Do you know if the D6653 and the D6603 are 'cross-compatible' with custom ROMs?
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They may need different drivers as they have a slightly different chipset in them, most devs should be able to account for this
munsabin said:
Should probably edit / delete this post since it's not really correct and you're essentially driving people away from a great phone. DRM is not really an issue if you do some more research, unlocking the phone is easy and info is all over google, and rooting the phone; same story.
Reason no ROMs are available is b/c Xperia Z3 and Lollipop hit the shelves around the same time. DEVs are working to get lollipop based custom ROMs out, not ROMs based on old OS for a new phone.
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No clue. I'm sure when custom ROMs will be available; that info will be clearly mentioned.
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He should not delete his answer, his answer was a good one albeit not as detailed as the rest. DRM is an issue to contend with as some users like it and want to keep it.
corpsegrinder62 said:
Whilst i do agree to your point, my point of view of the post is not exactly inaccurate but rather a different point of view to yours, think of it like this: many users start developing because they start to tinker with their new amazing device, many users themselves apart from developers try at developing aswell, and this all ads to rom and kernel growth as well as bug/beta testing which developers obviously need to keep developing, whilst yes Lollipop is a great thing and yes many devs are trying to get lollipop working instead of modding kitkat, there are still plenty users that will prefer kitkat over lollipop. The vast majority of users and devs are first working on a root exploit cause 80% (give or take my best guess here) of users are now frustrated from buying a device they cannot unlock or develop with unless they willing to risk their warranty or destroy 30% of the phone's functionality included by sony which we all love and taking such a risk knowing you got only one try to get it right, this is tricky.. so if you think of lets say 30 000 users on xda owning a z3, i can bet you not even 2000 of those are unlocked yet, and therefore slow development happens because all focus is taken to finding an exploit, which is great, i cannot wait for the day my Z3 can get unlocked when we can backup DRM. Im not disrespecting anyone here fyi, im just posting my opinion.
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This is a good answer too, and your bang on, not everyone wants to lose DRM keys or risk losing stuff they like. I will be patient until I start ROMing myself again or until someone manages to hack around this known issue. Sony have always been tight arses with ROM developers...

@apmartin1991 - root w/ locked BL is now available. No need for custom roms IMO when you've got xposed framework available. Xblast Tools will give you a LOT of what you'll find on custom roms, plus you'll be running on stable stock rom. Kernels can be modified once you've rooted your phone with locked BL, saved TA partition (for future), and unlocked bootloader. But unlocking bootloader will kill camera night shots.

The most boring phone I've ever owned

Hey folks just wanted to say that I really love my V10. But coming from Nexus and some of the other LG series I am going crazy with the lack of "things" to tinker with. I am not exactly a flash-a-holic but I am definitely a tinkerer (if thats a word). I like to flash custom Roms and fool around with xposed and maybe a little mod here or there. It's crazy how this phone still has virtually no developer support or any kind of custom rom scene. (yes I understand why about the locked bootloaders etc etc). It's been so long I almost feel like I'm rusty and probably forgot how.. Haha.
Nevertheless I love it and it's a great phone (although a bit on the heavy side as time goes on). My wife just got the Galaxy S7 and it's so nice and small and bright and waterproof. Does make me think about looking other ways. I dunno. I hope LG doesn't just make this phone like a stepchild to the flagship series. Still barely gettin marshmallow update in other countries and not really anything new with the 2nd screen for any apps or anything. I guess this is borderline off topic but just some musings I've had the last week or so. Later!
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I feel the same way. I have been considering selling this and getting something else.
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If you have a version that is rootable, use the many xposed modules out there. I have tweaked mine to be better than what my nexus 5 was. If you have been around long enough as I have, you will have learned that when ROM's are not available that a Root Explorer is a very good friend. I will go in depth
Base things one uses with a unlocked bootloader / Alternatives to a locked bootloader.
Custom Recovery: TWRP (Or W/E you like) / FlashFire (Install zips, make backups)
Custom ROM: CyanogenMod ( Or if Im using a device DHacker is supporting then I would use that to test the **** out of it) / Stock/BloatStock ( Xposed Modules can do almost everything any custom ROM can if not more than what a Custom ROM could do)
Custom Kernel: Dont need one, never needed one. If it was forced via the ROM then it was used. / Plenty of apps to do little things like Overclock or RAM management etc.
It's my belief people new to the Android Platform go for Custom ROMs is to get everything in one place in one ROM build. Hence why Android is beginning to absorb most of the popular things in the modding community to the aosp nexus builds, slowly if I might add.
All in all, research, time, and stock img files are your best friend to learn from trial and error.

I don't understand you. You got the phone for a reason. And that reason still is valid. There are always newer phones available the moment you buy something.

DarkestSpawn said:
If you have a version that is rootable, use the many xposed modules out there. I have tweaked mine to be better than what my nexus 5 was. If you have been around long enough as I have, you will have learned that when ROM's are not available that a Root Explorer is a very good friend. I will go in depth
Base things one uses with a unlocked bootloader / Alternatives to a locked bootloader.
Custom Recovery: TWRP (Or W/E you like) / FlashFire (Install zips, make backups)
Custom ROM: CyanogenMod ( Or if Im using a device DHacker is supporting then I would use that to test the **** out of it) / Stock/BloatStock ( Xposed Modules can do almost everything any custom ROM can if not more than what a Custom ROM could do)
Custom Kernel: Dont need one, never needed one. If it was forced via the ROM then it was used. / Plenty of apps to do little things like Overclock or RAM management etc.
It's my belief people new to the Android Platform go for Custom ROMs is to get everything in one place in one ROM build. Hence why Android is beginning to absorb most of the popular things in the modding community to the aosp nexus builds, slowly if I might add.
All in all, research, time, and stock img files are your best friend to learn from trial and error.
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Totally agree, I dont miss the phone dying on me once in a while, having to flash an "old" backup, loosing some data... And with xPosed this phone is as customisable as I ever needed :good:

I am the same ..im bored of this phone
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faearai01 said:
I don't understand you. You got the phone for a reason. And that reason still is valid. There are always newer phones available the moment you buy something.
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Ppl like you will never understand what he talking about

Explain it to me. Explain it for people like me.

faearai01 said:
Explain it to me. Explain it for people like me.
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I said you will never understand ..so even if i did explain it you won't understand its something like drugs

But I'm willing to understand. So give me a hint and maybe it turns into a TIL.

faeArai said:
But I'm willing to understand. So give me a hint and maybe it turns into a TIL.
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The need to be able to make a change to how the phone operates, and see that change in action.
And then change it again. Ownership of the device, playing with the experience of using the phone.
Getting to touch, swish, swipe, scroll - interact with the device (you never been in bed and gone endlessly through your settings menu, again and again; into all the options, all the possibilities? It's not really for the 'settings', you already know what you want really...It's to swish and swipe, especially if the phone is high end, the screen is beautiful and the actions like silk) until you fall asleep cradling it lovingly in your hand under the pillow and waking with it stuck to your cheek?
A sense of learning
A sense of making technology do what You want - of being able to effect change.
To. Develop. Perhaps.
To use the phone.
To discover and distribute something to others..
TO TWEAK BATTERY LIFE. (Heh)
To be part of a community doing the same.

This is my second LG phone, and absolutely latest one.
Whay?
Because of soooo pore support and update.
Update is nothing.
Im coming from LG G4, REALLY what's improvement in LG V10? nothing + poor update support.
At all i NEVER buy a LG phone and NEVER suggest any LG mobile phone for anyone.

Talk about 1st world problems ?

faearai01 said:
I don't understand you. You got the phone for a reason. And that reason still is valid. There are always newer phones available the moment you buy something.
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So what are you going to buy now?

I've a v10 and will stay with it for at least one year. Since MM is being rolled-out, I'm pretty fine. I also had and still have several nexus devices and was disappointed by the quality of hardware.

There is a lot more to do on the V10 than my previous Nexus 6. I don't think I understand...

I don't get that guys here saying that they are moving to an other phone. Just do it. But noone cares which phone you have and why you're moving on. It seems like those guys still are not sure and just want other to ask them to stay. I don't care. Have fun with your next phone - until you get it and and complain and buy an other one. And so on and so on. There is an other root cause of your frustration and I'm pretty sure it's not the phone ?

This thread is not serving any productive purpose.
Meanwhile people are raving about the LG V10...
LG V10 & V10 Dual Sim - Reviews Collection
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyHjPU6VGWk-5PiT76ejWAUamHYxWaeDK

incidentflux said:
This thread is not serving any productive purpose.
Meanwhile people are raving about the LG V10...
LG V10 & V10 Dual Sim - Reviews Collection
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyHjPU6VGWk-5PiT76ejWAUamHYxWaeDK
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The best phone around by far :good:

Only one feature missing imo: IP68.

Should have stayed with my nexus 6. The second screen is a crappie gimmick. Gonna try and stick with this phone until the note comes out.

A simple guide

So, I tried all the roms and got 2 of them 2 actually boot up but only without a sd card in the phone no matter how i formatted it.
I noticed some roms are shared by poeple that mentioned they do not even have the pocophone. So how can they possibly test the rom?
Ill make this really easy for you,, stay on the factory rom. Remove the useless apps but becareful because removing some of them will make you go into bootloop and some apps require chrome.
IMO these roms are being made by people that want donations. They dont even care if the rom works..
I noticed people asking questions, usually they do get responses, it might be a day or a week later but often the responses are suggesting that questioneer is stupid and just needs to do more seraching for the answers. Many answers tell you to download a pp or a file but dont provide the link. You have to go out and look for it.
Heres teh big problem with this forum in general. We do not have all week searching through a forum full of fake info, missing info and trolling. The biggest thread to unlock and root thsi phone, has a large array of twrp files to choose from, none of which actually work correctly! Why is that? Yo really think people have time to test these files? Why not post the files that WORK and give detailed instructions fromt he start? If there is an error, update the thread by deleting the apps and files that dont work! However I dont see this going on in this forum. I see a thread where they have well over a thousand people asking questions to just get the phone to root and unlocked! Why? You mean to tell me it takes 0ver 1000 pages of replies to get people to properly root there phone? Something is not right here..
So, my guide is to get you away from the roms, for now, Cause at this time, none of them are stable and the ones that kind of work, do not have the cool capabiliies of the factory app, like call recording and IR camera.
I do have only one rom that works which i can 100% recommend.
It is Oreo 8.1 Miui 10 factory rom.
Install it as a rom in TWRp . Here is the Rom
Now, as for rooting and unlicked and all that jazz... here is MY detailed instructions with CORRECT FILES to get your Pocophone F1 Unlocked, rooted and with TWRP! And you can also check the root afterward!
Maybe Ill get banned... but that is the way of things here.. If you look, you will see a bunch of dudes from India make these roms, which makes you wonder what the reasons for posting these roms are since they dont even have the device!
Bye

even the greatest companies or app developers have beta testers..
how do you think will you be able to enjoy unofficial roms on unsupported devices with TESTING and SHARING your experience ?

I think you're new to internet forums in general, android customisation, and how the xda community works.
First rule in internet forums is to search and read everything you can.
If you read the threads, you will find that maybe some people already talked about some issues. Like the IR Face Unlock. It's already discussed that Xiaomi hasn't released the drivers so it won't work with custom ROM.
Some ROMS are labelled "ALPHA" or "BETA" to let us know what state they're in. The developers also listed the bugs of the ROM. ROM developers also don't have time to test the ROM thoroughly, that's why they interact with us. We can test the ROM and let them know what problems are in the ROM. There is no ROM with zero bugs. Even the stable xiaomi roms have lots of bugs.
The developers are people with real job, they are not full time developers. They do it for free, if the user appreciate them or like their works, they can donate some money. I often see people demanding things from the devs like the devs work for them. You can download and use it for free, nobody forced you to use the ROM so if you use it please appreciate it.
Maybe you're new here and frustrated about unlocking, rooting, flashing, etc. There are a lot to learn about android customisation, and some phone are more difficult than the other. If you don't like it, then don't do it. But I assure you, it's worth your time to learn it and flash a good rom.

ahmd gom3aa said:
even the greatest companies or app developers have beta testers..
how do you think will you be able to enjoy unofficial roms on unsupported devices with TESTING and SHARING your experience ?
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I dont enjoy unofficial roms because they do not work!
And to be honest, I dont feel like "testing" anything.
Heres a great idea... Make a rom, test it yourself then offer it for sale for like 25$ and if i can prove it dont work i get a refund..
Until a see a rom that is known to work and has already been thoroughly tested and doesnt have 2000 people posting about it asking how to fix thhis ir that, then ill be sticking with the factory rom..

round2 said:
I dont enjoy unofficial roms because they do not work!
And to be honest, I dont feel like "testing" anything.
Heres a great idea... Make a rom, test it yourself then offer it for sale for like 25$ and if i can prove it dont work i get a refund..
Until a see a rom that is known to work and has already been thoroughly tested and doesnt have 2000 people posting about it asking how to fix thhis ir that, then ill be sticking with the factory rom..
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That's fine, those other 2000 people can help to make an awesome ROM, you can cool your heels and wait....
I've seen an awful lot of bad OEM roms that need updates to fix too... Chances are the custom rom will be fixed a hell of a lot faster...

Wow...

ultramag69 said:
That's fine, those other 2000 people can help to make an awesome ROM, you can cool your heels and wait....
I've seen an awful lot of bad OEM roms that need updates to fix too... Chances are the custom rom will be fixed a hell of a lot faster...
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I dont like to take chances..
The phone costed me 300$
You really think people want to take a 300$ chance at ruining their phone?
No!
SO far, the only rom that actually works is the factory rom. Other roms, work not so much, have bad glitches, wont let you use a sd card, etc etc..
Would you like to buy a new truck at full price and "test" it to make it work?
No? didnt think so..
Ill stick with the factory rom till somebody can come up with a rom that actually works..Ill stick with the factory rom because it has features I really need to be honest. Its not a perfect rom. But, it does work! When I say its not perfect I mean, the factory rom does have defects, such as notification issues but be honest this is the ONLY phone that will record phone conversations with out root! The factory ROM is the only ROM that allows call recording. Plus it's dependable it doesnt boot loop like 98% of the ROMs out there.
The ONLY rom that is promosing is the Pixel Experience rom... Except it wont allow the sd card work...\\
Fix the SD card problem in the Pixel Experience rom and add call recorder and lll use it 24/7.. till then the factory ROM must stay.