Hello,
i got some trouble understanding the differences between the both models
GT-N8010EAA (lets call it the first)
GT-N8010GRADBT (lets call it the second)
i asked the support of an online shop and they answered me the differences exists in their CPU and their RAM.
Their CPU:
the second got ARM Cortex A9
the first got Exynos 4412
I thought that the Exynos 4412 is based on the ARM cortex A9 and i thought that the second is the "newer" model..
but I dont want to spread any factoids so i wait for some Info of you guys
Most important for me is to know which is the better model and why.
best regards,
Seb7o
Found these cheap android tablets. They seem like pretty good compared to their price. But different devices are confusing me. They are many almost same devices but with a little different hardware and still they are named the same. I'm about to buy an iRulu 10.1 tablet. I'm not sure if there are 2 or 3 different versions of it.
iRulu's site was laggy but these charts are the same what I found on their site:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/iRulu-10-1-...90625890613?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item5af31e1135
http://www.ebay.com/itm/iRulu-10-1-...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item7b74f03c58
The first one: CPU Processor: "Rockchip RK2928 Cortex-A9 1.5GHz; Mail-400 Quad Core"
And the second one: "CPU Processor: Allwinner A20 1.5GHz; Mail-400 Quad Core"
What's the difference? Which could be better?
This one doesn't tell about 1.5ghz: http://www.ebay.com/itm/iRulu-10-1-...50886874301?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item51b27cccbd
"Allwinner A20 ARM Cortex-A7 Dual-Core; ARM® Mali400MP2"
According to many other sources, clock speed of that allwinner A20 cortex-A7 is only 1ghz or 1.2ghz. What are those Allwinner A20 1.5ghz processors then?
Moreover, I have seen iRulu 10.1 tablets with resistive screens that are not good. I also found very large amount of 10.1 tablets with some kind of allwinner 1.5ghz processor and seemingly same body. MAny of them don't even tell name or brand. I will be most likely buying the first or second one, but first I'd like to know about the processor differences. Only thing I know about android processors are the clock speed and number of cores.
Just realized that Rockchip RK2928 Cortex-A9 1.5GHz is not dual-core. Also, with further investigation, I became even more convinced that the Allwinner A20 dual-core 1.5ghz doesn't exist. Many are still selling that. Not sure if it's 1ghz or 1.2ghz.
Again found new models:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/iRulu-10-1-...90630383490?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item5af3629f82
"Allwinner A10 1.5GHz Mali-400" (single-core, but is it better or worse than RockChip?)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/iRulu-10-1-...90691725632?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item5af70aa140
"iMAPx15 ARM Cortex A5 Dual core 1.2GHz" (this vs Allwinned A20 Cortex A7?)
1.5ghz single-core or 1.2ghz dual-core, which is better? 1ghz dual-core?
This is really confusing.
EDIT: http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/44034-atm7029-an-arm-cortex-a9-or-a5/page__st__40 + many other sources seem like telling Allwinner processors are not as good as advertised. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockchip Wikipedia says that that RK2928 would be single-core 1 to 1.2ghz. Odd
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http://arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a7.php
Stick with name brand. I got an infotmic imapx15 noria 7" for Christmas. The most I was able to do was root it. I just found flashing software from the manufacturer for it after searching for 3 months. Trust me, the Mali-400 GPU isn't that great as far as I'm concerned. Mine is also a dual core 1.2GHz and is still quite slow compared to my Galaxy S3. Just my .002
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There are 3 threads devoted to discussions about devices, please repost your question in one of these three threads: The what should I buy thread or the The Device Suggestion Thread or the The Device Comparison Thread.
Thanks!
Hello I'm wondering if it's worth pursuing rooting this phone.
I looked up the specs and see both Snap Dragon and EXYNOS ?
I know that the snap dragons seem to be a problem and I really think this is probably one of those.
Does anyone have a suggestion of a method that would be good for this phone?
Try installing cpu-z or aida64 and check whether it's exynos based or snapdrag based
Saarvieen Raj said:
Try installing cpu-z or aida64 and check whether it's exynos based or snapdrag based
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Phone is out right now and I won't have it back until tomorrow but this is from the specs for this particular phone maybe you can tell.
Platform OS Android OS, v6.0 (Marshmallow), upgradable to v7.0 (Nougat)
Chipset Exynos 8890 Octa
CPU Octa-core (4x2.3 GHz Mongoose & 4x1.6 GHz Cortex-A53)
GPU Mali-T880 MP12
I'm pretty sure those specs aren't correct this one must be a Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 Model
Phone already loaded Nougat.
Snapdragon
http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s7_(usa)-7960.php
Only the G930F / FD and W8 are Exynos iirc
820
Is it possible to run arm64-v8a
games on my Redmi 9c M2006C3MG (armeabi-v7a)?
It may sound an absurd question to you experts but I googled a lot about it and couldn't be convinced that isn't possible.
Thanks a lot in advance
64-bit SoCs ( ARMV8 archictecture ) can run 32-bit apps, but 32-bit SoCs ( ARMV7 aechitecture ) cannot run 64-bit apps. If the architecture is wrong installation will just fail and app won't run.
xXx yYy said:
64-bit SoCs ( ARMV8 archictecture ) can run 32-bit apps, but 32-bit SoCs ( ARMV7 aechitecture ) cannot run 64-bit apps. If the architecture is wrong installation will just fail and app won't run.
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Thanks a lot for your clarification
Grecco 22 said:
Is it possible to run arm64-v8a
games on my Redmi 9c M2006C3MG (armeabi-v7a)?
It may sound an absurd question to you experts but I googled a lot about it and couldn't be convinced that isn't possible.
Thanks a lot in advance
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what? Mediatek G35 is a arm64 chip so you should able to run 64bit game
Grecco 22 said:
Is it possible to run arm64-v8a
games on my Redmi 9c M2006C3MG (armeabi-v7a)?
It may sound an absurd question to you experts but I googled a lot about it and couldn't be convinced that isn't possible.
Thanks a lot in advance
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Check if your os run in 32bit or 64bit mode
Guan Yu said:
Check if your os run in 32bit or 64bit mode
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So, that's the controversy Guan Yu. I've posted this question because after researching a lot about the subject I came to a conclusion that although this device comes with an armeabi-v7a CPU, its processor is capable to run 64bit games, if it's not already a 64bit processor.
Answering your question, any device info tool that I've installed says the arquitecture of my phone is only armeabi-v7a therefore I'm able to install only 32bit games.
To me is very embarrassing this controversy because I would do anything including rooting my phone to be able to play 64bit games on it.
Also I would like to add to my phone's specs that it is 4GB RAM, with 128GB storage.
Normally this device model comes with 2 or 3GB RAM and 32/64GB storage only.
Thanks for your contribution on trying to solve this question Guan Yu.
Grecco 22 said:
So, that's the controversy Guan Yu. I've posted this question because after researching a lot about the subject I came to a conclusion that although this device comes with an armeabi-v7a CPU, its processor is capable to run 64bit games, if it's not already a 64bit processor.
Answering your question, any device info tool that I've installed says the arquitecture of my phone is only armeabi-v7a therefore I'm able to install only 32bit games.
To me is very embarrassing this controversy because I would do anything including rooting my phone to be able to play 64bit games on it.
Also I would like to add to my phone's specs that it is 4GB RAM, with 128GB storage.
Normally this device model comes with 2 or 3GB RAM and 32/64GB storage only.
Thanks for your contribution on trying to solve this question Guan Yu.
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can you send me a screenshot about your phone specs ? Im curious about it
Well the OP's phone probably have a arm64 chipset but 32 bit software, because in that case all apps that list phone specs will recognise it as 32 bit phone.
As I know, Redmi 9C uses MediaTek Helio G35 chipset. Inside the MediaTek Helio G35 is a 64-bit octa-core Arm Cortex-A53 CPU.
The mentioned phone has a 64-bit SoC, means it can process ARMv8-2.A instruction set.
But: Whether a phone's Android OS runs in 32-bit or 64-bit mode is determined by phone's Android kernel at boottime - the kernel is the 1st thing what gets loaded by device's bootloader.
Guan Yu said:
can you send me a screenshot about your phone specs ? Im curious about it
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A more in depth info:
---------Device---------
Device name: Redmi 9C
Model: M2006C3MG
Manufacturer: Xiaomi
Device: angelica
Board: angelica
Hardware: mt6765
Brand: Redmi
---------System---------
Version name: Android 10 Q
Kernel architecture: armv8l
Kernel version: 268 MB
---------CPU---------
Hardware: MT6765G
Cores: 8
CPU frequency: 400MHz - 2301MHz
Core 1: 1750 Mhz
Core 2: 1750 Mhz
Core 3: 1750 Mhz
Core 4: 1750 Mhz
Core 5: 1800 Mhz
Core 6: 1800 Mhz
Core 7: 1800 Mhz
Core 8: 1800 Mhz
SOC: Mediatek Helio G35
Processor: AArch64 Processor rev 4 (aarch64)
Supported ABIs: armeabi-v7a, armeabi
CPU hardware: MT6765G
CPU governor: Unknown
GPU renderer: PowerVR Rogue GE8320
GPU vendor: Imagination Technologies
GPU version: OpenGL ES-CM 1.1
When will you take notice of fact that only 32-bit ( ARMEABI-v7a ) apps/services are supported though SoC is 64-bit capable? If you want to have true 64-bit support then you have to replace device's Android kernel by a kernel what supports 64-bit processing - and also the Android OS by a 64-bit one.
As I've asked and said in the first place, to you guys who are experts my question may seem too obvious but I will risk to take my conclusions based on the answers posted here.
To run 64bit apk on my device I need another rom, is that right?
Of course I need to root it right?
Is there any recommended rom to my device in which I would be able to run the 64bit apks?
I'm really grateful for your answers! Thank you
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Grecco 22 said:
As I've asked and said in the first place, to you guys who are experts my question may seem too obvious but I will risk to take my conclusions based on the answers posted here.
To run 64bit apk on my device I need another rom, is that right?
Of course I need to root it right?
Is there any recommended rom to my device in which I would be able to run the 64bit apks?
I'm really grateful for your answers! Thank you
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it is quite unfair to users , 32bit in 2022 ?, come on . I have a redmi 5 running snapdragon 450 , although it is older and performs as well as Mediatek G35 , it runs in 64 bit mode and can install 64bit games . This is a rather confusing and unfair step by xiaomi, plus the device runs a mediatek chip, so there is no custom kernel for you. so you can say you bought the scam
Guan Yu said:
it is quite unfair to users , 32bit in 2022 ?, come on . I have a redmi 5 running snapdragon 450 , although it is older and performs as well as Mediatek G35 , it runs in 64 bit mode and can install 64bit games . This is a rather confusing and unfair step by xiaomi, plus the device runs a mediatek chip, so there is no custom kernel for you. so you can say you bought the scam
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OMG !! How incoherent smartphones companies perpetrate technology !
It's frustrating.
Grecco 22 said:
OMG !! How incoherent smartphones companies perpetrate technology !
It's frustrating.
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Also, Many apps on play Store are now dropping support for 32 bit. I think it's intentionally done by xioami so that their customers buy their more expensive devices.
Even my old Nokia 3 from 2017 which had a Mediatek MT6737 (weaker than snapdragon 410) ran on a 64 bit kernel and os.
ardwivedi16 said:
Also, Many apps on play Store are now dropping support for 32 bit. I think it's intentionally done by xioami so that their customers buy their more expensive devices.
Even my old Nokia 3 from 2017 which had a Mediatek MT6737 (weaker than snapdragon 410) ran on a 64 bit kernel and os.
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Regrettable their approaching
Grecco 22 said:
OMG !! How incoherent smartphones companies perpetrate technology !
It's frustrating.
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It's also partly due to the way consumers buy phones blindly. most of them don't even know what functions their device has. And these are the consequences of it, companies take advantage of this to make more money. If consumers better understand what they are spending, the companies that make money from the blindness of customers will be eliminated and create a fairer game .
Guan Yu said:
It's also partly due to the way consumers buy phones blindly. most of them don't even know what functions their device has. And these are the consequences of it, companies take advantage of this to make more money. If consumers better understand what they are spending, the companies that make money from the blindness of customers will be eliminated and create a fairer game .
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To be honest I did wanted to know this phone specs before I was buying it.
But after confirming so many other (at least to me) important features of this device model such as RAM memory, storage and it's processor, I not even gave much attention to the architecture of it, thinking that it would be obviously running both a 64bit/32bit architecture, therefore being able to run such games.
Maybe I'm not the only one who owns a device like this hoping who knows some day someone coming up with a 'magical rom solution' to it.
(the kernel stuff)
At last, I have no complain about the rest of the device capabilities which are marvelous.
I was getting ready to root it if it was the condition to make it capable of running 64bits applications.
If there's no such rom, I will try to keep it unrooted as long as I can bear MIUI and an unrooted Android.
I'm learning...